excited to share info re: dyatlov pass incident

I'm with you UK. I just love this topic. It may be gruesome at times, but you have to wade through the muck to get to those Aha moments that have been punctuating this little research project of mine. What is your take on what the fireballs and registered seismic activity could be?

Well, if there is evidence of that then the logical explanation would be either something akin to meteorites or missiles.

We have the seismic data posted a few pages back and ivanov interview is linked somewhere in the thread. It's been going well over a year now, it may take some time for me to find it. But yes, we have the evidence for sure.

Well, any ground tremor would inevitably be interpreted as imminent avalanche threat to the trained occupants of that snow hole.

"Surprisingly, one of the most extraordinary and astonishing versions came from none other than Lev Ivanov himself. In 1990, the retired Prosecutor published an article, “The Enigma of the Fireballs”, where he admitted that in spring of 1959, under the pressure of A. P. Kirilenko, and of his deputy, A. F. Yeshtokin, he withdrew various key materials from the case that indicated the true cause of the accident: “fireballs” or a UFO."

THE ENIGMA OF THE FIREBALLS
[link to dyatlov.looo.ch]


****here is the Ivanov interview /apology to the families****

But the ravine and den is well out of the way of the slope of the mountain. I genuinely think they went there either because it hid their visibility or because of the proximity to the forrest to provide wood and shelter. Also fresh water while we are at it. Then again, it was also there that we found the very tops of the trees burnt with no explanation. Clearly, it wasn't so safe afterall...

Two thoughts on recent contributions:

The movement to the den area was clearly motivated by the ease of constructing a shelter beneath the high cut bank of the creek. Remember, the builders actually had to carry wood from 50+ yards away to lay the den floor. Stripped Yuri(s) clothing was then placed above the wooden sticks of the den floor, not a tarp. The real danger of the den area was caused by the 4 den builders being on the rise above the den when they were hit from behind by a sonic blast.

Subscribing the the comic fragment theory (as I do) requires that the celestial materials are comet fragments, not meteorite fragments, to allow for the dusting of beta radiation on the tourist bodies.

It is the only reasonable explanation for the light dusting of radioactive purple powder that I can come up with. You see, we already know it wasn't from the ravine.

I Googled "Remote viewing, Datlov Pass" and the following post came up. I thought it worthwhile.

[link to psychicfocus.blogspot.ca]

What happened on Kholat Syakhl to the Dyatlov Nine was a Russian aviation 'incident'

Here is how certain elements fit into the Kholat Syakhl incident :

Yeti = NO (Although Yetis do exist in that region)

Orange Orbs = NO (Although orange orbs were seen in that general region, and for some time afterwards)

Moon - bright comet = NO (Although it was seen by other mountaineers on another mountain, nearby)

Hypothermia = NO (No Kholat Syakhl deaths were caused by hypothermia, despite the official coroners report)

Mansi involvement : None (until looking for the bodies from February 26th, 1959)

Gulag escapees involvement : None (there were nine deaths, not eleven)

Russian military involvement = None

Mansi and others have gone missing in the Urals over the centuries. Correlation with the Dyatlov Nine = None

Animal predation : None

Aliens NO

Man made involvement = YES (That artificially induced a 'natural' disaster)

Were the Dyatlov Nine exposed to man made radiation = YES

Deliberate = NO

Military weapon = NO

Perhaps the "enent" itself caused some kind of ambient lighting that those in the cedar tree could see by? Wish we could find out the truth about this! It's fanscinating!.

In cattle mutilations there have been many reports of tongues being surgical cut out. Linda Moulton Howe has done many reports on these.

Debunked! No evidence of erratic "out of their minds" behavior what so ever. They clearly were breaking up into groups to execute multiple game plans. No tracks even showed them running.

Here is a recent interview with the infamous Svetlana Oss, who actually worked in the Dyatlov Foundation. While I think she is bright, the conclusions that it was the Mansi are rediculous.

[link to youtu.be (secure)]

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Does anyone else think it was a radioactive meteorite at this point? As I said before, I'm not completely sold because I think the Russian government behaved very odd with the evidence. Ex: the missing case file and evacuating the mountain two days before the kids died. I still never got clear info why they closed the mountain like that...

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Great, our page is active again.

Here are a couple views on recent comments. (1) Igor was clinging to a small bush branch when found, not likely a tree branch from the scene of the two Yuri deaths, more than 100 yards away. (2) All actions of the(fearful)tourists show deliberation and planning, not panic. (3) Whatever the condition of moonlight, some light could also have been supplied by many of the glowing comet fragments. And snow is very reflective of any light in the night. The tourists also had at least two flashlights for part of the hour long duration of events. And night vision is greatly enhanced by moving objects -- that is how night predators hunt, who even turn their heads side to side to create movement of objects, and why prey like deer freeze when danger is first detected.

Of course the big issue is whether the Soviet government visited the scene prior to the SAR teams. If they did it would be for two reasons. (1) They were aware of a failed missile test. This appears unlikely since no evidence of explosions were observed. No indications on the ground showed the evidence of humans visiting the scene. The glazed circle near the tent did not reveal indications of helicopter landing pads, let alone departing humans. Also, a massive cover-up during the blizzard conditions would have required incredible planning and follow through.

(2) The government was aware of the atmospheric anomalies and went to investigate. This is possible, but unlikely to launch rescue operations. The government went to investigate the glowing lights over the mountain. Observing nothing of a security nature, they left the area.

The government then cooperated with a large SAR effort involving many amateurs. Remember, the actual SAR teams in the field interluded a great many amateurs who were hard to control by the government. Indeed, first discovery were by amateurs and local residents. If all this was a missile or state security issue, no amateurs and locals would have been allowed in the SAR effort.

If the government was involved in a coverup I believe it was a reflex, paranoid reaction, as there was nothing to cover-up.

But the kgb in the initial autopsies?? Seems like a very expensive standard paranoia is all I'm saying...not to mention poor use of resources.

Why won't the families exhume the bodies; today's technology may present something new.

That would be interesting to see if their hair really turned grey like the witnesses said. I know most of them were burried together in the same cemetery. (Excluding Zolotarov I think) It would have to be more distant relatives that never knew them that would approve this kind of thing. Surely the Dyatlov Foundation would have attempted that avenue decades ago logically.

Radioactive fallout = YES

Meteorite = No

Did somebody 'take them out' = YES
On purpose = No

'Natural' accident = No (but natural conditions accelerated the 'unnatural' conditions, making the situation worse)

Were the Dyatlov nine attempting to comunicate with those that accidently took them out = YES

As such were they seen = YES

(By) personel linked with but not directly inside the Russian government...definitely not a military take-out or accident

Obviously a 'take-out', not a natural phenomena or accident

Did the Russian government then immediately fly to the pass and investigate, within a day of the event = YES

Why do you say no to meteor exactly?

Look, I'm not quick to support the meteorite theory myself....but...it would explain internal (but not external) damage to the bodies, the violet radioactive dust, and the clear exposure to extreme heat of not only the trees and some bodies. So why are we against this? I just am hesitant Cuz I think the government knew something was up before the event and messed with the investigation after.

because of what seems like the radioactive damage to their bodies, the heat and etc, I'd like to say it was something like a fireball or other ufo in the sense of being airborne and unidentified..

and yet.. it seems like whatever it was actually 'chased' some if not all of them.

and then there's the precision cuts, like the tongue, which isn't explained by a meteorite or fireball etc.

the one found kneeling by the rock as if stopping to pray, that image haunts me.

my best guess is their govt (even if a sekrit shadow govt) was fiddling around with some secret invention/weapon, testing it, this group found out or got in the way, had to be taken out, govt covered it up.

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An interesting article:

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Yudin and his friends started the journey on 23rd January 1959. Ortoten Mountain was their destination, in the Northern Urals. Yuri and eight of his friends were students in Ekaterinburg, at the Ural Polytechnic Institute located in Sverdlovsk. They were led by Igor Dyatlov (23), an expert in mountaineering, cross-country and skiing.

The group consisted of Dyatlov, Yudin, Georgy Krivonischenko (24), Zina Kolmogorova (22), Yury Doroshenko (24), Rustem Slobodin (23), Ludmila Dubinina (21), Alexander Kolevatov (25) Nicolas Thibeaux-Brignollel (24) and Alexander (37) who was the only non-student.

The students travelled by train, road and on foot to get to their destination. Yudin became ill on the way and turned back and that was the last time he ever saw his friends alive. The rest of the journey was documented in the diaries and photos they left at their final camp.

The group skied across uninhabited areas, frozen lakes and arrived at river Auspia where they set up base. Here they left food and equipment for their return journey. From here on, they began climbing towards Otorten. They got lost form here, probably due to bad weather and ended up on the slopes of mountain Kholat Syakhl, at 3, 600ft height. They pitched tent for the night. Their diaries, photos and the Evening Otorten (a newspaper they produced), show them in good spirits at this point.

much more at link:
[link to www.unbelievable-facts.com]

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In the above article, it mentions they were students from the Ural Polytechnic Institute, and wrote for a newspaper they produced.

What if... the fact they were students, or that they made documentaries of their journeys etc... could either have had anything to do with their mysterious deaths?

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The event was entirely man made
A mishap and an immediate cover up of that mishap

The ground and air elements were synthetically changed to induce a deadly scenario, albeit not maliciously

You have never met nine unluckier people

Start with knowing ALL the elements of the scene were man made

Start with the radiation feature and work backwards

Cut speculation out of the equation

The nine went back to the cedar tree, during the event, because they had been there the night before, and they knew branches for firewood would be waiting for them

Survivors were NOT cutting a 'window' out of the branches of the cedar tree to view the tent area, during the event

Survivors knew what had hit them and how the natural elements combined with the man made elements, introduced from above, to turn the situation critical

The branches in the cedar tree had been cut down the night before to build the fire the night before where they had camped

The event took place in the daytime, close to dusk

The scene looked 'staged' post mortem, because the tent area had shifted from its original position because of the natural/man made elements combining as well as Russian government officials checking the scene the day after the event, post mortem, and moving a few things

Ok, so you argue for military experiment gone wrong. What kind of weapon do you have in mind?

The real mystery is how any Russian could die of hypothermia. They are used to below zero temperatures.