COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345

just google it numbnuts

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Nobody does. But the leading immunologist in France thinks it helps to get zinc into your cells which blocks the virus.

don't talk sense to nimrods it won't change their bs!

here's your prevention (and there goes the price of CBD)

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Very small sample. 36 started on the drugs. 6 dropped out because of side effects, getting worse and being sent to the ICU, or dying.

So, 17% got worse or dead or suffered from side effects, and they weren't included in the results.

There were 16 control patients, and none of them were lost, i.e. they got better without this drug cocktail.

This is hardly a rousing argument for H/C/A therapy.

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No.

Forgive me for wanting science instead of someone's feelings. And apparently I've hurt yours by asking for science. Sorry.

Perhaps you should return to your 'feelings' thread and let those of us with critical thinking skills carry on.

Have a nice day.

And thank you for posting some science for us to look at. Much appreciated.

NB, you are so freaking level headed.

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No evidence of clinical efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised for COVID-19 infection and requiring oxygen: results of a study using routinely collected data to emulate a target trial

A study. Not an article.

No scientific basis for Turkey's claim.

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In Search of Preventative Strategies: Novel Anti-Inflammatory High-CBD Cannabis Sativa Extracts Modulate ACE2 Expression in COVID-19 Gateway Tissues



In the comments section of this paper, unverified:

I am sure the strains are proprietary. The authors are all employed by Pathway Rx, a cannabis therapy research company, and Swysh Inc, a cannabinoid-based research company. I’d bet these companies are trying to prove clinical utility of their proprietary strains to then make money off of.

For the likers of unconfirmed reports, and lovers of HCQ, I have one you will surely find interesting:

No one has withdrawn claims published by one Taiwanese media, around mid february, that stated that they had received leaked reports from doctors in China that said that there were seriously ill people that got a relapse of the disease after being declared cured, and that in the second bout, the mortality was 50% precisely because the heart rate failure was much higher due to the drugs being used to treat patients. The Chinese protocol uses Chloroquine and HidroxyChloroquine for treatment of patients, and these are directly responsible for the higher fatality of rebounding cases.

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Here's an Italian article that links through to the literature.

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You'll need to use google translate.

Of course there is Zelenko (sp?) in NY.

It's a freaking novel disease. There isn't going to be "settled science" for some time. I prefer evidence based medicine as opposed to bought and paid for research because you get the research paid for by whomever it is that wants a particular outcome.

Gilead says thanks for keeping the stupid stupid.

It's helps the bottom line.

Well, Zelenko was treating people who would probably not get real sick anyway. And there is no follow up to see how many have heart troubles or other negative outcomes.

The study I posted today "studied" the records of 96K sick to determine than HCQ is not effective. The research I posted froma while back was a clinical study, also showing HCQ is not effective. Several studies on HCQ in Europe were stopped early because it was causing too much damage and would be morally wrong to continue the study. It was that bad.

HCQ is like penicillin. It appears to work in some people, but others have negative outcomes. The number of positive vs negative outcomes is the issue. So far, the clinical studies indicate the cost/benefit is too high to make HCQ a "standard treatment."

Ssshhhhhhhhh. It's a secret.

Why don't all the lupus patients on hydroxychloroquine have these side effects?

And these are the same people pushing remdesivir as a treatment?

With 48% severe side effects

25% with sepsis or multi organ failure

Stop saying stupid shit. Gilead is irrelevant. There is no vax. There will be no vax for a long time, if ever. So far, 2 major studies have been stopped because the vax candidate made it worse.

You are so fucking focused on the completely irrelevant, that you don't see what's about to unfold.

The virus doesn't care about Big Pharma. The virus laughs at Big Pharma. The virus laughs at you because you are distracted by the mundane and inconsequential.

They do. Heart issues are a well known side effect of HCQ. I had a friend with carcoidosis and was on HCQ for it, and had to be constantly monitored with blood work and EKGs. Like weekly.

Lupus mainly affects the skin, kidneys, and joints. Adding HCQ to that may or may not affect the heart. COVID mainly affects the cardiovascular system.

We know how HCQ interacts with the things that cause lupus, and malaria, and such. We DON'T know how HCQ interacts with SARS-2 other than the recent studies that are coming out. Just because a drug works a certain way on one thing, doesn't mean it will be effective on another. That's where science comes in. You can't assume that just because HCQ is safe for one thing, it's a universal antidote.

I agree. This is not a viable treatment either.

We have to keep looking.

Haha. It only appears that way. I use the 'delete' key many times before I finally hit the 'send' key.

Lupus is really a taxing chronic illness and the HCQ alleviates a subset of the symptoms to make Lupus sufferer's life more easy, but, as correctly said by OP, it requires permanent medical supervision.

There is a much touted Italian publication that seems to heavily support the use of HCQ as a Covid-19 preventative treatment, based in the seemingly magical observation that of around 65.000 Italian Lupus patients, only 20 catched the virus, and allegedly of them none died.

The moment I saw the numbers I became aware of the obvious flaw on the logic because this study assumed the Lupus sufferers were a representative sample of Italy's population, which is a strongly flawed assumption, as the Lupus sufferers can't be assumed to have been equally exposed to the risk of catching the virus as the general population. Some people still are convinced this proves that HCQ is a magic bullet, but I think the basic in vitro science about Zinc and it's ability to enter the cells and protect them from viral infection is much more subtle and complex than most people understand, to extrapolate from in vitro to in vivo. In vitro you can cause many effects that in vivo will never be possible due to the complexity of dealing with a living organism composed of multiple organs and systems, which will have multiple different responses to the same nutrients and drugs.

He/she is I agree 100%!

He.

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The Remdesivir Study Is Finally Out: Drug Only Helped Those On Oxygen, Finds Mortality Too High For Standalone Treatment

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According to a pivotal study published in the New England Journal of Medicine late on Friday, Remdesivir, which was authorized to treat Covid-19 in a group of 1063 adults and children (split into two groups, one receiving placebo instead of remdesivir) who need i) supplemental oxygen, ii) a ventilator or iii) extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO), only significantly helped those on supplemental oxygen.

Meanwhile, and explaining the 6pm release on a Friday, the study also found no marked benefit from remdesivir for those who were healthier and didn’t need oxygen or those who were sicker, requiring a ventilator or a heart-lung bypass machine.

The NEJM, almost apologetically, stated that "the lack of benefit seen in the other groups might have stemmed from a smaller number of patients in each group."

Still, as a result of the partial benefit for patients in the supplemental oxygen group, the study from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases was evaluated early and led to the authorization of remdesivir before the full trial was completed.

With any of these studies I go straight to the conflict of interest statements. This one comes with a long chapter of forms to that effect and it is a mixed bag of nuts, some authors seem to be completely clean of corporate taint, others not so much, but the forms alone are a 122 page read so one can never be sure without spending a wee bit of time how independent or tainted the authors are.

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Hairstylist with COVID-19 served 84 clients while symptomatic, Missouri officials say

A Great Clips hairstylist exposed dozens of clients to coronavirus while showing symptoms, Missouri health officials say.

The stylist at a salon franchise in Springfield served 84 clients and exposed seven coworkers, the Springfield-Greene County Health Department said Friday. The hairstylist also visited a Dairy Queen, Walmart and fitness center, officials said.




THIS! This right here is why we need strict lock downs. Some people are so fucking stupid, selfish, or just plain assholes and the rest of us need to be protected from them.