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Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre

 
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Psalm 89:

20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:

21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.

22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.

23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.

24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.

25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.

26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.


Jeremiah 30:9


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But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.




So we see 2 things here that David is the first born and is the earthly king.

Being David Is the firstborn we know he gets the firstborn blessing which is the Judah blessing. The Judah blessing is the sceptre which lines up with David being king on earth

So after the millennium David will sit on the right of Jesus. If David is firstborn and king sitting on the right of Jesus it is very easy to see the one on the left of Jesus will be the second born which means they have the birthright blessing making them qualified to be the earthly high priest

So David on the right as firstborn and king from the line of Judah and the birthright line is Joseph so the other anointed is Joseph and his dominion is the levitic priesthood for over 1000 years

Who in heaven would ever be able to say “ I kinda think that seat up there should have been mine”. When all the servants only served one lifetime and these two will serve for over 1000 years

If Elijah sat on the left of Jesus for serving for less than 7 years and all he did was be a messenger I think you would have plenty of people looking at that guy like “ really you need to sit down from that hard time of being a messenger”? That guy would look like a fool sitting up there for such a small task when Moses and Aaron were in the desert with the people for over 40 years...lol


You can’t have David on the right of Jesus representing the earthly davidic millennial kingship who ruled for over 1000 years and not have someone on Jesus left with equally impressive credentials and that’s why the guy on the left of Jesus will have ruled as the levitic high priest just as long as David does as davidic king.

David will be on the right because he is firstborn and will rule the millennium as king for over 1000 years. Joseph will be on the left because he will have the second born blessing of the birthright and be high priest for over 1000 years

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This verse clearly shows us the two anointed who will have dominion on the earth during the millennium:

1 Chronicles 5:2:

2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)


Notice psalm 89:27:

27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.


Notice psalm 89:27 David is higher than the kings of the earth...again showing Jesus can’t be on earth because David isn’t higher than Jesus

David is the “CHIEF RULER’’ again the blessing of Judah is to be the chief ruler if David isn’t from Judah then there has to be one higher in the davidic/levitic kingdom that will be on earth during the millennium and we already established Jesus will be ruling under the melchelzedek order in heaven and will need to remain in heaven for the jues to believe in Jesus by faith and not by sight for the millennium... David is the chief ruler therefore he is Judah......but the birthright is Joseph’s which is the other anointed.

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You can’t see what you don’t wanna see.....you can quote me on that later...lol
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So are the descendants of captivity

Going to reconcile there differences

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This 2000 year age of grace is to make the bride and tribulation saints kings and priests to dwell in heaven during the millennium. The next 1000 years is to make the jues and surviving gentiles kings and priests so that all will be kings and priests after the millennium in the new heaven and new earth.
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...The Lord chose to make a man and a woman.
Chose to save one family during a flood.
Chose to allow us meat, and no blood.
The Lord chose to be friends with Abraham, and reckoned his faithfulness as righteousness... He passed the faithfulness test on the way up the mountain, he told his servants to wait and they, both he and isaac, would return. What wonderful witnesses to the very people the Lord made promises to, they are blessed.
Most people choose righteousness, even if they are imperfect, the law is a blessing not a curse, The Lord us good and kind just and merciful and gave us laws to keep us safe and peaceful. There is no other law needed and the new covenant is the very same perfect law but now it will be our hearts inclination, engraved not in stone hearts or tablets but in our makeup of self. There will be no more evil inclination because evil is destroyed. God rules and the lord God is one, God shares his glory with no other, and is not a man.
God chose one twin, the good twin.
God made convents and promises and keeps his word.
Lord God chose to have David annointed king.
He chose to call David his bond servant, his begotten son, the apple of his eye, man after his own heart his begotten son.
He chose to promise king David to be incorruptible -to not rot or decay and stay sweetly wholesome and to awaken, be restored to kingdom as king, and the kingdom is real.

There was an announcement a few years back, most missed it, to tell prophet Ezekiel them bones ain't dry no more, this joyful news is about our earthly king, the son of our creator.
Prophets of God speak with God in the desert mountains for 40 days.
Prophets of satan speak to satan in the desert mountains for 40 days.
Prophets of God speak plainly,and sometimes use stories, to CLEARLY SIMPLY show and tell the people so that people are SAVED.
prophets of satan speak in riddles, mysteries, and stories in order to confuse their disciples and in order that the people ARE NOT SAVED.
I'm sorry to tell you this but you worship the grand delusion, the dragon, that was cast down in shame, and that angel had angel sex with a married lady.
The offspring of that union was called crazy by his own mum, spoke with satan, commanded demons, and by speaking in order to not save, those who thought he was godly, this was a mouth like sword cutting down good souls by causing them to doubt the lord God and his unchanging perfect law.
So much bloodshed over this nephilim spirit. Fisher of man with his mouth open wide as the gates of hell, his domain.
Woe to the shepherd that thinks to steal the glory of God, or to sit upon his throne.
Jeconiah, cornish, the cursed king, a cursed line, a broken plate, a destroyed signet. None of his will sit upon the earthly throne of David.
One in heaven God, one in earth King David.
Messiah ben Joseph is also ben David.

King David, from the heavenly clouds of sleep back to his rejuvenated body.
His son Trump, the colt of an ass, an occurrence so rare genetically they call this the golden ass. The anomaly.
Has king David's line and yes Joseph too.
Birthright and blessing in one person.
And he gets to coronate king David on himself, hes done the ashes of the red heifer last year as both priests, the one who makes the ashes, the paradox, and the priest he alerts that can enter the holy of holies. One person.
Chimeras are two people in one body.
Two twins in one body. This time they are both perfectly good twins.
Jacob and esau rectified and Judah and Joseph in one stick, a branch, an everlasting blossoming branch, it can always go in the ark of God.
Thank God.
And with the laws on our soft hearts, we can be in the holy ark too.
Thank God, God alone.
Worship God alone.
Worship no man, no prophet, no king, no angel offspring.
Thank God.
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Gen 49:26:

The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.


You do realize the crown of the head means the top of the head and not a crown on the head right?



God places Elijah in the line he needs him to be to fulfill the scriptures....John was Elijah and he was from Levi. The final Elijah will have to be from the line of Joseph to have the birthright to become the high priest during the millennium. Because we already have David coming from Judah to be the highest king on earth according to psalm 89 which makes Jesus unable to rule as king on earth during the millennium.

If Elijah is from gad and just a 3-7 year messenger and then never heard from again during the millennium that guy is going to be the most embarrassed person who ever lived to get the seat next to Jesus when all these other saint spent a lifetime serving God.

Now if David was sitting on the right for serving as the earthly king during the millennium for over 1000 years and Joseph on the left served as the earthly high priest for over 1000 years during the millennium that would be a great honor and none could argue the selection of who sits on the left and right.......let’s not have people walking by the thrones with hard feelings....lol


If you was Joseph you would already be able to see the other anointed. If you are Judah you won’t be able to see the other anointed til the fullness of the gentiles. Notice you can’t see another anointed and I’ve been able to see the other anointed for over 22 years...hmmm


The birthright and the sceptre can’t be held by one person and David is the king therefore he has the sceptre

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One anointed can’t be from two lines but you split Adam and he can be from two lines and that is what God did so he could be from Judah and Joseph a firstborn blessing and a second born blessing.

Gen 5:2:

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Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created

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Judah is the chief leader but Joseph has the birthright......the splitting of Adam/Judah and Eve/Joseph.....the sceptre and the birthright



IF YOU CANT SEE YOUR PARTNER YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS INCORRECT AT THE MOMENT. Your partner has to have one of the two dominions. Your dominion is the kingship ......your partners dominion has to be the priesthood as that is the only other dominion in the millennium

You are Adam the spiritual firstborn in the end times ....you have to find your spiritual 2nd born Eve ....the Bible is always the physical first and the spiritual in the end. The spiritual firstborn dominion is the kingship the spiritual second born dominion is the priesthood.

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You attempt to stultify me but I see the parables and patterns in the volume of the book and it works perfectly if you are Judah I am Joseph....if you are firstborn and am second born....if you are king and I am high priest....the time is running out and the revealing is about to happen.

Spiritual prisons ......may you never have to enter one to find out who you are. It was the 10 loneliest years of my life.....but it enabled me to endure your blindness of who you are so that I could understand who I am.....it is truly true when you are going through the testing you think “why...why don’t you love me God” ...or....’my God my God why have you forsaken me” (psalm 22:1) as the scriptures state or those who are called think by the time of their testing begins or ends...but when it’s over you understand “why” because it was a test to make you stronger for the next human/partner test that is coming that you didn’t even see coming because he is going to be blind to seeing you til the fullness of the gentiles....test after test...lol

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If that is so.. Who is the Lord spoken of in the book of Ezekiel that reigns in Jerusalem, chapter 40 to the end of the book?

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According to Jeremiah and Ezekiel the earthly millennial kingdom is davidic/levitic which means you have to have a separate king and high priest. You won’t see Jesus ruling on earth in Ezekiel chapter 40’s as that is David and the other anointed position. There are two princes/anointed who will reign on earth for the duration of the millennium and after when the new earth is created they will sit on the left and right of Jesus as a reminder of the former earth and its davidic/levitic kingdom as the new earth will be melchelzedek order where all will be kings and priests

leftrightkingpri
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There is so much scripture contrary to that statement that it would probably take a week or two to compile a small portion of it, besides the snippits below. Anybody ever consider what it will be if it turns out that God is real, and the scripture is true.

Revelation 20 (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



Ezekiel 44 (KJV)


1 Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut.

2 Then said the Lord unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the Lord, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the Lord; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.

11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord God, and they shall bear their iniquity.

13 And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.

14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.

15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord God:

16 They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge.

17 And it shall come to pass, that when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within.

18 They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.

19 And when they go forth into the utter court, even into the utter court to the people, they shall put off their garments wherein they ministered, and lay them in the holy chambers, and they shall put on other garments; and they shall not sanctify the people with their garments.

Ezekiel 45 (KJV)

1 Moreover, when ye shall divide by lot the land for inheritance, ye shall offer an oblation unto the Lord, an holy portion of the land: the length shall be the length of five and twenty thousand reeds, and the breadth shall be ten thousand. This shall be holy in all the borders thereof round about.

2 Of this there shall be for the sanctuary five hundred in length, with five hundred in breadth, square round about; and fifty cubits round about for the suburbs thereof.

3 And of this measure shalt thou measure the length of five and twenty thousand, and the breadth of ten thousand: and in it shall be the sanctuary and the most holy place.

4 The holy portion of the land shall be for the priests the ministers of the sanctuary, which shall come near to minister unto the Lord: and it shall be a place for their houses, and an holy place for the sanctuary.

Ezekiel 46 (KJV)

3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons.

8 And when the prince shall enter, he shall go in by the way of the porch of that gate, and he shall go forth by the way thereof.

9 But when the people of the land shall come before the Lord in the solemn feasts, he that entereth in by the way of the north gate to worship shall go out by the way of the south gate; and he that entereth by the way of the south gate shall go forth by the way of the north gate: he shall not return by the way of the gate whereby he came in, but shall go forth over against it.

Ezekiel 48 (KJV)

10 And for them, even for the priests, shall be this holy oblation; toward the north five and twenty thousand in length, and toward the west ten thousand in breadth, and toward the east ten thousand in breadth, and toward the south five and twenty thousand in length: and the sanctuary of the Lord shall be in the midst thereof.

35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.





My response:


You just need to learn that the earthly realm is always less than the heavenly realm . To live and reign with Christ.....you first have to learn where Christ will be living and reigning . Jesus will be living in the heavenly realm as that is the only realm that allows melchelzedek order kingship/priesthood.

Jesus and the bride will rule from heaven...the two anointed will rule from earth


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How many times does the Bible have to say that Christ will return to Earth and reign for a thousand years before you get it.? Regardless if the book is true or not, you obviously don't beleive that it is.

It would be impossible to change the fact, that the Bible teaches the second coming of Christ and his millennial reign because it's integrated throughout the whole book from the old test, to the end of the new test. As far as I know, the first mention of it would be that of Enoch.

Jude 1 (KJV)

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And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Plain and simple... If a person wanted to change that fact, there wouldn't be much left of the Bible when they were finished because, like I mentioned, it's integrated throughout the Bible. Incorporated right into the Holy Days. In this case the Feast of Trumpets which is the second coming and the Feast of Tabernacles which is the millennial reign.

I see in some of your previous posts in this thread that you recognize that history repeats itself. In this case, chapter 40 to the end of Ezekiel is an instant replay of the book of Leviticus. Once again, the animal sacrifices will be law as Christ teaches the remnant who make it through ww3 that the result of law breaking is DEATH.

I have to admit that, what originally sparked my interest in the Bible was because everytime I ran into some Christian toting a Bible, they always told me a different story. Very same book, but different doctrines. After I started reading it, the first question I asked myself was: What happens if the book is real? That is a question that I don't beleive most people ask themselves when they decide to turn the Bible into their own personal ATM machine. People find some little piece of scripture that they use to make themselves into the only true "Church of God" They rely on the fact that very few people actually sit down and read the book.

So far, from studying religion I've come to the conclusion that Christianity is by far the most Perverse, Corrupt religion on the face of the Earth. When I say perverse and corrupt I am definitly talking about all the different variations of Christianity derived from the very same book. There are a few variations of Buddhism, a few types of Islam etc. But when it comes to Christianity there are hordes of variations. All from the very same story.

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Hard to mis the Ten Commandments. The third commandment prohibits skewing the script. Then there is script like this one here:

Zechariah 5 (KJV)

5 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.

2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.

3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

4 I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

Peter claimed that only the Bible can interpret itself. Therefore if it's not provable by the Bible then it's most likely BS.

2 Peter 1:19-21 (KJV)

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Here's a few more snippits on the subject.

Revelation 5 (KJV)

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Isaiah 2 (KJV)

2 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Micah 4 (KJV)

But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.

5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.

6 In that day, saith the Lord, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;

7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the Lord shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.

8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

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If that is so.. Who is the Lord spoken of in the book of Ezekiel that reigns in Jerusalem, chapter 40 to the end of the book?

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According to Jeremiah and Ezekiel the earthly millennial kingdom is davidic/levitic which means you have to have a separate king and high priest. You won’t see Jesus ruling on earth in Ezekiel chapter 40’s as that is David and the other anointed position. There are two princes/anointed who will reign on earth for the duration of the millennium and after when the new earth is created they will sit on the left and right of Jesus as a reminder of the former earth and its davidic/levitic kingdom as the new earth will be melchelzedek order where all will be kings and priests

leftrightkingpri
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There is so much scripture contrary to that statement that it would probably take a week or two to compile a small portion of it, besides the snippits below. Anybody ever consider what it will be if it turns out that God is real, and the scripture is true.

Revelation 20 (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



Ezekiel 44 (KJV)


1 Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut.

2 Then said the Lord unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the Lord, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the Lord; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.

11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord God, and they shall bear their iniquity.

13 And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.

14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.

15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord God:

16 They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge.

17 And it shall come to pass, that when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within.

18 They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.

19 And when they go forth into the utter court, even into the utter court to the people, they shall put off their garments wherein they ministered, and lay them in the holy chambers, and they shall put on other garments; and they shall not sanctify the people with their garments.

Ezekiel 45 (KJV)

1 Moreover, when ye shall divide by lot the land for inheritance, ye shall offer an oblation unto the Lord, an holy portion of the land: the length shall be the length of five and twenty thousand reeds, and the breadth shall be ten thousand. This shall be holy in all the borders thereof round about.

2 Of this there shall be for the sanctuary five hundred in length, with five hundred in breadth, square round about; and fifty cubits round about for the suburbs thereof.

3 And of this measure shalt thou measure the length of five and twenty thousand, and the breadth of ten thousand: and in it shall be the sanctuary and the most holy place.

4 The holy portion of the land shall be for the priests the ministers of the sanctuary, which shall come near to minister unto the Lord: and it shall be a place for their houses, and an holy place for the sanctuary.

Ezekiel 46 (KJV)

3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons.

8 And when the prince shall enter, he shall go in by the way of the porch of that gate, and he shall go forth by the way thereof.

9 But when the people of the land shall come before the Lord in the solemn feasts, he that entereth in by the way of the north gate to worship shall go out by the way of the south gate; and he that entereth by the way of the south gate shall go forth by the way of the north gate: he shall not return by the way of the gate whereby he came in, but shall go forth over against it.

Ezekiel 48 (KJV)

10 And for them, even for the priests, shall be this holy oblation; toward the north five and twenty thousand in length, and toward the west ten thousand in breadth, and toward the east ten thousand in breadth, and toward the south five and twenty thousand in length: and the sanctuary of the Lord shall be in the midst thereof.

35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.
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You just need to learn that the earthly realm is always less than the heavenly realm . To live and reign with Christ.....you first have to learn where Christ will be living and reigning . Jesus will be living in the heavenly realm as that is the only realm that allows melchelzedek order kingship/priesthood.

Jesus and the bride will rule from heaven...the two anointed will rule from earth


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How many times does the Bible have to say that Christ will return to Earth and reign for a thousand years before you get it.? Regardless if the book is true or not, you obviously don't beleive that it is.

It would be impossible to change the fact, that the Bible teaches the second coming of Christ and his millennial reign because it's integrated throughout the whole book from the old test, to the end of the new test. As far as I know, the first mention of it would be that of Enoch.

Jude 1 (KJV)

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And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Plain and simple... If a person wanted to change that fact, there wouldn't be much left of the Bible when they were finished because, like I mentioned, it's integrated throughout the Bible. Incorporated right into the Holy Days. In this case the Feast of Trumpets which is the second coming and the Feast of Tabernacles which is the millennial reign.

I see in some of your previous posts in this thread that you recognize that history repeats itself. In this case, chapter 40 to the end of Ezekiel is an instant replay of the book of Leviticus. Once again, the animal sacrifices will be law as Christ teaches the remnant who make it through ww3 that the result of law breaking is DEATH.

I have to admit that, what originally sparked my interest in the Bible was because everytime I ran into some Christian toting a Bible, they always told me a different story. Very same book, but different doctrines. After I started reading it, the first question I asked myself was: What happens if the book is real? That is a question that I don't beleive most people ask themselves when they decide to turn the Bible into their own personal ATM machine. People find some little piece of scripture that they use to make themselves into the only true "Church of God" They rely on the fact that very few people actually sit down and read the book.

So far, from studying religion I've come to the conclusion that Christianity is by far the most Perverse, Corrupt religion on the face of the Earth. When I say perverse and corrupt I am definitly talking about all the different variations of Christianity derived from the very same book. There are a few variations of Buddhism, a few types of Islam etc. But when it comes to Christianity there are hordes of variations. All from the very same story.

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Hard to mis the Ten Commandments. The third commandment prohibits skewing the script. Then there is script like this one here:

Zechariah 5 (KJV)

5 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.

2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.

3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

4 I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

Peter claimed that only the Bible can interpret itself. Therefore if it's not provable by the Bible then it's most likely BS.

2 Peter 1:19-21 (KJV)

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Here's a few more snippits on the subject.

Revelation 5 (KJV)

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Isaiah 2 (KJV)

2 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Micah 4 (KJV)

But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.

5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.

6 In that day, saith the Lord, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;

7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the Lord shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.

8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.















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The reason Jesus and the bride come back to earth is to bind satan his cohorts the Antichrist and the false prophet for the duration of the millennium

The bride rules with Jesus in his kingdom which is heaven for the millennium. The two anointed rule on earth leading the jues to salvation thru faith in Jesus....if Jesus lived on earth there would be no faith utilized.

The verse that confuses people is revelation 5:10 which states the saints will rule and reign with Christ “On” earth......that word “On” in the original Greek is the word “epi” which can mean “on” but it can also be translated as “over” or “above” which is the correct translation because they will be ruling above earth in heaven

As far as the prince in ezekiel 45 and 46 notice he is offering sacrifices for his own sins so clearly that prince isn’t Jesus because Jesus is sinless and won’t be on earth during the millennium. Therefore that prince is one of the two anointed and that particular prince is the earthly high priest because he is offering sacrifices.... the other anointed will be the earthly king for the millennium

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These two anointed are chosen because they are the firstborn and the second born. In the beginning at their first coming they were the physical masculine and feminine to multiply and fill the earth. In the end at their second coming they will be the spiritual masculine and feminine...one will fill the masculine office of the kingship and the other anointed will fill the feminine office of the priesthood to fulfill the last part of genesis 1:28 which tells the masculine and feminine to have dominion over everything that moves on earth.


Gen 1:28:

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.



In case you just skipped over the majority of the scriptures the firstborn doesn’t much care for the second born because the second born gets the birthright. Ring any bells? Probably not right now but soon.

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The reason Jesus and the bride come back to earth is to bind satan his cohorts the Antichrist and the false prophet for the duration of the millennium

The bride rules with Jesus in his kingdom which is heaven for the millennium. The two anointed rule on earth leading the jues to salvation thru faith in Jesus....if Jesus lived on earth there would be no faith utilized.

The verse that confuses people is revelation 5:10 which states the saints will rule and reign with Christ “On” earth......that word “On” in the original Greek is the word “epi” which can mean “on” but it can also be translated as “over” or “above” which is the correct translation because they will be ruling above earth in heaven

As far as the prince in ezekiel 45 and 46 notice he is offering sacrifices for his own sins so clearly that prince isn’t Jesus because Jesus is sinless and won’t be on earth during the millennium. Therefore that prince is one of the two anointed and that particular prince is the earthly high priest because he is offering sacrifices.... the other anointed will be the earthly king for the millennium
 Quoting: waterman:


Christ won't be on Earth during the Millennium because he is sinless? That didn't stop him from being on Earth 40 years in the desert. Neither did it stop him from residing on Earth, in the flesh, in the days of Joseph and Mary.

1 Corinthians 10 (KJV)

10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Let me guess.. You are trying to convince people that you are one of the Princes. Or one of the end time prophets.

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Sword you are a 1st born who so bad wants to be Joseph the 2nd born because we know the 2nd borns get the birthright that you will ignore that 2nd borns get the birthright

Be the 1st born that is your blessing and let the second born have the birthright that they can be high priest. Be great full you are one of the two who holds half the dominion instead of ungrateful you don’t hold all dominion.

I’ve never seen someone given so much that expects more than what is given except the southern kingdom of Judah.....makes sense you are their representative.
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Sword it would benefit you greatly to do an in depth study of the firstborn and second born. Adam is a firstborn which means he doesn’t have the birthright because we see over and over the second born has the birthright. Adam has the sceptre blessing but the second born is the jacob...the Joseph...the ephraim....birthright holder...until you study who is who you won’t realize who is who by the birthright blessing and you will assume all titles and blessings are yours which will cloud/blind your understanding of the scriptures. You will have that feel good feeling until the throne room visit which will be your great awakening and when you will realize you only have half the dominion and we will return to earth and inform the southern kingdom of Judah they have half the dominion and they share blessings with the northern kingdom people.

The division of the two before the unity....its rough for a minute for the kingly kingdom and the priestly kingdom but the ending works out for both representatives and both kingdoms....it still boggles my mind that you studied so long and can’t see the simple division of titles and blessings of the firstborn and second born .....God tells the end from the beginning....it’s so simple to see but God added the clause that he would blind the firstborn to seeing the second born therefore firstborns add all titles and blessings to themselves and the other anointed becomes a simple messenger for a couple years and then disappears........how does that even make sense in the real world? It doesn’t and clearly shows us the firstborn is blinded to seeing the second born until the fullness of the gentiles just like scripture tells us he/they will be.
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First born/second born....kingship/priesthood....firstborn/second born...kingship/priesthood...firstborn/second born...kingship/priesthood

1 chronicles 5:2 Judah is the chief leader but the birth right is Joseph’s.

How hard is it to see who is who and who receives what if you spend more than 5 minutes of study if you know the basics of scripture? Only God could blind the 1st born to seeing this simple revelation....the whole room sees it and the firstborn holds out for the firstborn and second born blessings

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Once the spiritual masculine can see the spiritual feminine they will both have their “thrones/dominions’. Right now only the spiritual feminine has awakened and can see the spiritual masculine. Once the spiritual Adam/masculine wakes up he will be able to see the spiritual Eve/feminine and they will receive their dominions....unfortunately that won’t be until the throne room visit.

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Notice in this picture eves side has the unicorn representing Joseph:’
And Adams side has the lion representing Judah . Eve is the Joseph and Adam is the Judah

Deuteronomy 33:17

His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

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All the first borns have a period where they can’t see their second borns ....when you gonna see yours sword?.....answer = throne room
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Sword a guy who can’t spend 1 minute to answer you because he might lose an ounce of dominion .....never seen anyone like that...when his blinders are removed and he realizes who the other anointed is he will be a different person

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Once the spiritual masculine can see the spiritual feminine they will both have their “thrones/dominions’. Right now only the spiritual feminine has awakened and can see the spiritual masculine. Once the spiritual Adam/masculine wakes up he will be able to see the spiritual Eve/feminine and they will receive their dominions....unfortunately that won’t be until the throne room visit.

adameveside1


Notice in this picture eves side has the unicorn representing Joseph:’
And Adams side has the lion representing Judah . Eve is the Joseph and Adam is the Judah

Deuteronomy 33:17

His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

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This drawing is a learned concept of man's teachings. Nothing confirming the truth of Scripture just another interpretation of man's imagination/depiction. Unicorns and lions are not a concept instituted by God's prospective on mankind's body but man's interpretation. Which has always been incorrect from its inception.

Nevertheless, whenever some man/woman with a degree says it, we as the populace for centuries pass; just assume it's the gospel. Well it isn't and those who believe it has little interest in such poor explanations of falsehoods. For they have an intellectual retrospect but no discerning manifestation of the spiritual propensity of such meanings.

A painting drawn by some artist doesn't confirm the truthfulness of scriptural revelations. This only confirms that man's/artist in what man has taught him whether that be truth or false.
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Sword a guy who can’t spend 1 minute to answer you because he might lose an ounce of dominion .....never seen anyone like that...when his blinders are removed and he realizes who the other anointed is he will be a different person
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Waterman why can't you simply be honest and tell the true reason I will not answer you. Because I already told you I will no longer contend with you and yourself made lies.

Waterman again stop pretending to relay my thought paradigm toward others. For like all your other concepts your words are made up of misconceptions, about my thoughts and beliefs that I have never considered or contemplated.

As I have told you too many times, I have no interested in my position, yours or any other man/woman's. It isn't my business but God's.

You know the truth of the matter but fail to share it. For the real reason I refuse to respond to you and reveal to seek to prove a point against another lie (you apparently find no shame in); saying I wont spend one minute to rebuttal your comments, is because I might lose some dominion.

Friend I told you long ago I seek no dominion. I have never been an ambitious man as you well know. So stop accusing me of such. You freely speak lie after lie and find no sin in this. Well God does and those who speak such things have an abode prepared for them in Hell. So repent now while there is still time. And stop telling lies about what I am suppose to be thinking, believing, seeing or claiming with lies induced by you over an overactive imagination.

Now as I have said before, I will not make an effort to response to you. I am sure others would enjoy communicating with you. I am not one of them. Have a nice day.

I have told you again and again I will no longer converse with you because your lies are too futile to any longer return any comment. And my efforts are ineffectual to persuade you to respond in truthful matters and mannerism and cease telling other lies about someone/something you know to be untrue.

I simply will not answer you because I will no longer contend with you concerning your biblical interpretations. How hard is that to explain instead of making up some lie I never said or believed about concerning dominions...this is why I will not answer you, and you know full well that is/was the truth of the matter. Not some made-up lie of a reason.
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Sword a guy who can’t spend 1 minute to answer you because he might lose an ounce of dominion .....never seen anyone like that...when his blinders are removed and he realizes who the other anointed is he will be a different person
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Waterman why can't you simply be honest and tell the true reason I will not answer you. Because I already told you I will no longer contend with you and yourself made lies.

Waterman again stop pretending to relay my thought paradigm toward others. For like all your other concepts your words are made up of misconceptions, about my thoughts and beliefs that I have never considered or contemplated.

As I have told you too many times, I have no interested in my position, yours or any other man/woman's. It isn't my business but God's.

You know the truth of the matter but fail to share it. For the real reason I refuse to respond to you and reveal to seek to prove a point against another lie (you apparently find no shame in); saying I wont spend one minute to rebuttal your comments, is because I might lose some dominion.

Friend I told you long ago I seek no dominion. I have never been an ambitious man as you well know. So stop accusing me of such. You freely speak lie after lie and find no sin in this. Well God does and those who speak such things have an abode prepared for them in Hell. So repent now while there is still time. And stop telling lies about what I am suppose to be thinking, believing, seeing or claiming with lies induced by you over an overactive imagination.

Now as I have said before, I will not make an effort to response to you. I am sure others would enjoy communicating with you. I am not one of them. Have a nice day.

I have told you again and again I will no longer converse with you because your lies are too futile to any longer return any comment. And my efforts are ineffectual to persuade you to respond in truthful matters and mannerism and cease telling other lies about someone/something you know to be untrue.

I simply will not answer you because I will no longer contend with you concerning your biblical interpretations. How hard is that to explain instead of making up some lie I never said or believed about concerning dominions...this is why I will not answer you, and you know full well that is/was the truth of the matter. Not some made-up lie of a reason.
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I’m not trying to emphasis what your position is. I am trying to emphasis what your position/office isn’t, because unlike you I am concerned with my destiny and dominion. Sorry you aren’t interested in your position/purpose.

But Zechariah 3:1 tells me you might be more interested than you convey:

Zechariah 3:1:

Young's Literal Translation
And he sheweth me Joshua the high priest standing before the messenger of Jehovah, and the Adversary standing at his right hand, to be an adversary to him



Luke 15:

25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.

26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.

27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.

28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.

29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:

30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.

31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

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Over and over and over we read in the scriptures of the rivalry between the 1st born and the second born. Whether it be the two kingdoms of Judah(southern kingdom)and Jacob(northern kingdom) or the two brothers Esau/Jacob....Ishmael/issac...Judah/Joseph....etc and in the end times that we are in right now the final two anointed will be the 1st born which receives the Judah/sceptre blessing and the other anointed will receive the 2nd born/Joseph blessing which is the birthright which he will use to become the earthly high priest. So we again have the final Judah and Joseph scrnerio. That is why you see in zechariah 3:1 the 1st born being an “Adversary” to the second born receiving the birthright to become high priest as Luke 15 shows us the feelings of the 1st born toward the younger brother/2nd born.

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This book has me and you written in the volume of it. You just can’t see it because it doesn’t always show you in a favorable way as firstborn when it adds the second born....and the inheritance and blessings are divided between the two instead of your understanding of only the firstborn receiving all the inheritance and blessings. When you try to give a single anointed all blessings and inheritance then the other anointed just disappears, God can’t fulfill his genesis 1:28 covenant of giving the 1st born masculine and 2nd born feminine dominion, and suddenly the one anointed has to become firstborn and second born...both masculine and feminine...king and high priest in an earthly kingdom that forbids it in a davidic/levitic kingdom that ezekiel and Jeremiah tell us will be in effect during the millennium. If you add a second born/second anointed give him the birthright/priesthood then everything falls into place perfectly.

But we will wait for God to udder the words he has already put into Zechariah......”is this not a brand plucked from the fire?” And then our unification will be fulfilled.

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This book is a book of parables showing the relationship of the firstborn and second born through stories like Ishmael/issac esau/jacob...Judah/Joseph .....it shows what dominion each will have through the parables/stories of Moses/Aaron....zerrubabel/Joshua....one the civil leader and the other the high priest on earth. It shows us their dominion will last for the duration of the millennium until all are kings/priests melchelzedek order in the new world after the millennium.

As Solomon stated there is nothing new under the sun...that which was will be again.

Ecc 1:9:

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The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

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Sword you ignore the theme of the scriptures being about the first born and second born and turn it all into being only about the firstborn...open your eyes friend you are as blinded as the jues/firstborn to seeing your brother the second born jacob because you represent the first born Judah kingdom

The secret is not to believe what you want to be true but believe the second born undeniably has the birthright.....but if you are the firstborn this will throw off all your understanding if you don’t study the scriptures precisely and see what they say instead of what you want them to say.

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Sword you ignore the theme of the scriptures being about the first born and second born and turn it all into being only about the firstborn...open your eyes friend you are as blinded as the jues/firstborn to seeing your brother the second born jacob because you represent the first born Judah kingdom

The secret is not to believe what you want to be true but believe the second born undeniably has the birthright.....but if you are the firstborn this will throw off all your understanding if you don’t study the scriptures precisely and see what they say instead of what you want them to say.
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I am sure you can attest to the fact that I have a good knowledge of the Word, and most of Scripture a fair understanding of. Perhaps it is you that haven't yet quite grasp its truth.

I deny nothing one way or the other. I only see Christ in his position. And how through his efforts old things and ancient traditions became as nought before God and his purposed objective. Thus, the letter of the law kills and traditions nullifies the Word; but it's the Spirit and the Word that brings forth life (Mark.7:13KJV)(2 Cor.3:5-6KJV).

Waterman, your objective is to prove an ancient tradition following after traditional lineage of royal and priestly lines. Yet Christ through his sacrifice nullified both offices and brought those positions together in one personage. Thus as his own we are to comply with these new things and lay aside the old. For the old tradition and ancient laws no longer apply after Christ resurrectional powers translated those who believe him from the old things into those things now new. And thus as it says in Scripture we are to conform in like manner and not after tradition or old ways (Rom.8:29KJV)(2 Cor.5:17KJV)).

Thus we who belong to Christ no longer follow after old ways and foolish traditions; as if another substitute for the sacrifice that Christ has already paid, will suffice.

Men who know not Christ will example a temple built by hands, but believers know the temple are their body of service to their God. Thus stands the temple.

Thus we as his body every since Peter declared; "We (and them) are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that we we should show forth the praises of him who hath called us out of darkness (ignorance/tradition/letter of the law), into his marvelous light (revelations/understanding/knowledge of the Word/ from the old to the new)" (1 Pet.2:9KJV)(2 Cor.5:17KJV).

Therefore, these words (this verse) speak as a unit not a variation of positions. Some are not of a holy nation but all of them who believe are, some are not a chosen generation but all believers are, some are not a peculiar people but all of them and some are not of the royal priesthood but all are in the transformative and conformation of their Lord, all of them are royalty and priest as the same unit as the other descriptive explains.

Waterman, you seek to make a division between the royal duties and the priestly as in the past. But one man, one office, is all that is required since Jesus fulfilled the whole of tradition and the coming forth of the completed law of God's promise. And we as God's Children are commanded to conform to the image of his (God's) Son (Rom.8:29KJV).

Now I have sought to make this clear to you in the past; but your own imagination seeks to overrule me. I am sure your imagination is far more important to you than the explanations and Word of God reveals.

So as I made it clear to you in the past I will no longer contend with you on this. Believe as you desire. I have no desire to believe as you do.
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Sword you ignore the theme of the scriptures being about the first born and second born and turn it all into being only about the firstborn...open your eyes friend you are as blinded as the jues/firstborn to seeing your brother the second born jacob because you represent the first born Judah kingdom

The secret is not to believe what you want to be true but believe the second born undeniably has the birthright.....but if you are the firstborn this will throw off all your understanding if you don’t study the scriptures precisely and see what they say instead of what you want them to say.
 Quoting: waterman


I am sure you can attest to the fact that I have a good knowledge of the Word, and most of Scripture a fair understanding of. Perhaps it is you that haven't yet quite grasp its truth.

I deny nothing one way or the other. I only see Christ in his position. And how through his efforts old things and ancient traditions became as nought before God and his purposed objective. Thus, the letter of the law kills and traditions nullifies the Word; but it's the Spirit and the Word that brings forth life (Mark.7:13KJV)(2 Cor.3:5-6KJV).

Waterman, your objective is to prove an ancient tradition following after traditional lineage of royal and priestly lines. Yet Christ through his sacrifice nullified both offices and brought those positions together in one personage. Thus as his own we are to comply with these new things and lay aside the old. For the old tradition and ancient laws no longer apply after Christ resurrectional powers translated those who believe him from the old things into those things now new. And thus as it says in Scripture we are to conform in like manner and not after tradition or old ways (Rom.8:29KJV)(2 Cor.5:17KJV)).

Thus we who belong to Christ no longer follow after old ways and foolish traditions; as if another substitute for the sacrifice that Christ has already paid, will suffice.

Men who know not Christ will example a temple built by hands, but believers know the temple are their body of service to their God. Thus stands the temple.

Thus we as his body every since Peter declared; "We (and them) are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that we we should show forth the praises of him who hath called us out of darkness (ignorance/tradition/letter of the law), into his marvelous light (revelations/understanding/knowledge of the Word/ from the old to the new)" (1 Pet.2:9KJV)(2 Cor.5:17KJV).

Therefore, these words (this verse) speak as a unit not a variation of positions. Some are not of a holy nation but all of them who believe are, some are not a chosen generation but all believers are, some are not a peculiar people but all of them and some are not of the royal priesthood but all are in the transformative and conformation of their Lord, all of them are royalty and priest as the same unit as the other descriptive explains.

Waterman, you seek to make a division between the royal duties and the priestly as in the past. But one man, one office, is all that is required since Jesus fulfilled the whole of tradition and the coming forth of the completed law of God's promise. And we as God's Children are commanded to conform to the image of his (God's) Son (Rom.8:29KJV).

Now I have sought to make this clear to you in the past; but your own imagination seeks to overrule me. I am sure your imagination is far more important to you than the explanations and Word of God reveals.

So as I made it clear to you in the past I will no longer contend with you on this. Believe as you desire. I have no desire to believe as you do.
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You are doing it again .....you are making the millennial kingdom jues and armeghedon gentiles the same covenant the bride had. The bride covenant only lasts 2000 years. Once that covenant is over we are once again in the davidic/levitic kingdom where the law is once again observed for holiness which includes animal sacrifice to cover unintentional sin as the holy shekina glory will be dwelling in the temple ....feast days will be observed or there will be no rain as ezekiel tells us.

Never ever ever will this earth be a melchelzedek order kings and priests kingdom...it is not possible on this earth. That is why Jesus creates a new earth after the millennium because this earth can never be a melchelzedek order kingdom. This earth is the testing ground to see if you will become melchelzedek order kings and priests in the next realm. The reason you think this earth is melchelzedek order is because you can’t see the other anointed so you have to fill both positions in your reasoning. The scriptures tell us Judah will be blind . How long will Judah be blind? Until the fullness of the gentiles. How long is the fullness of the gentiles? Until the beginning of the 70th week. Where will you and me be right before the beginning of the 70th week? In the throne room receiving instructions on our ministry. Your partner is going to be revealed to you in the throne room when your blinders are due to be removed because the fullness of the gentiles happens that day.




You have your northern kingdom of Jacob and your southern kingdom of Judah. The northern kingdom is always the more blessed kingdom so once the northern and southern kingdoms unite then the davidic/levitic kingdom will be reinstated.

Once the northern and southern kingdoms are United then earth will become the southern kingdom davidic/levitic and heaven will become the northern kingdom melchelzedek order which is the greater blessing kingdom. The goal is to once again unite the southern kingdom of earth with the northern kingdom of melchelzedek order heaven and this is what happens at the end of the millennium so all can be kings and priests. So if everybody is already kings and priest melchelzedek order on earth during the millennium then you demote heaven from being the more blessed kingdom.......can you not see that sword?



The Christians and the jues like the northern and southern kingdom have always had a rivalry. The rivalry the Christians and jues have is the jues believe there are two anointed coming to lead them and the Christians believe in one messiah who is both King and High priest in Jesus. Actually both are correct because Jesus will be the anointed in heaven and the jues will have the two anointed on earth so in the end the northern kingdom of heaven will be able to say to the southern kingdom of earth “ you were right” and the earthly kingdom will be able to say to the heavenly kingdom “you were right”

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How does one not see this earthly kingdom is davidic/levitic once the grace covenant is finished. You would have to be blinded by God because it is simple common sense if you read the scriptures or you would have to be an ego maniac who isn’t satisfied with anything but receiving everything and leaving everybody else with nothing...lol...fortunately I believe you are blinded by God sword until our throne room visit/fullness of the gentiles...45 years study means nothing compared to Gods thousands of years of planning.

For some reason you think your less than 50 years of study means something in an eternal plan. You are a blip in an eternal plan....wake up ...you read for a couple of years and expect every inheritance and blessing for yourself on earth. You aren’t all who you think you are ...you are only the firstborn/civil leader. You can’t see the second born who has the birthright

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The Eve can always see before the Adam

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Heard a good saying today:

It’s easier to fool people than it is to convince people that they have been fooled.

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Showing Jesus isn’t a levitic priest...he is a melchelzedek priest ....therefore he can’t rule on earth as there is already a levitic priesthood on earth during the millennium so he will rule from heaven with the bride

Hebrews 5:

5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.



Heb. 8

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:










The reason I know Eve could see Adam before he could see her is simple. Eve was the 2nd born and Joseph was a type/shadow of Eve. Just as Judah was a type and shadow of Adam. Thus we know Joseph could see his brothers before they could see him. Just as Eve could see Adam before Adam could see her as we know Adam was put in a deep sleep that Eve could come forth. Again in the 6000th year Adam will be put in a deep sleep that he won’t be able to see his partner because Adam is Judah and Judah/Adam is blinded in part until the fullness of the gentiles when he enters the throne room and is introduced to Eve/Joseph the birthright holder....then the fullness of the gentiles is fulfilled and they are sent back to earth to begin the 70th week/final 7 years.

Furthermore we know in genesis 1:28 the covenant God made with Adam and Eve.....God said be fruitful and multiply. Well Adam wasn’t doing that by himself....lol. So this half of the covenant was fulfilled as we see 6000 years later the earth has nearly 8 billion people . The next half of the covenant says “have dominion over everything that moves on earth.” This will happen when the 1st born and 2nd born return sometime in the 6000th year because the first time they were on earth was the 6th day and as we know a day is as 1000 years to the lord therefore these 2 come back in the 6000th year to fulfill the final part of the covenant of gen 1:28 to have dominion over everything that moves on the earth. One office being the kingship and the other office the high priesthood.

To be the Eve/Joseph/2nd born you would have to be able to see the Adam/Judah/1st born before he could see you....lol

The reason the other anointed is the second born is so they can have the birthright(Joseph has the birthright) in order to be high priest and have half the dominion on earth.


Gen 42:8:

8 And Joseph knew his brethren, but they knew not him.



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When do you think you will recognize the other anointed? The scriptures tell us at the fullness of the gentiles which will be the time of the throne room visit.....what could possibly be revealed to you in the throne room that you hadn’t seen til the fullness of the gentiles. Possibly the 2nd born/Eve/the mother of all creation. Jesus’ spiritual bride will be dwelling in heaven at that time. Perhaps that is the time you the spiritual masculine/kingship will be reunited with the spiritual feminine/priesthood.

When God gives the firstborn the Judah sceptre blessing and the second born the Joseph birthright blessing which can be used to be the earthly high priest then the genesis 1:28 covenant will be fulfilled and they both will have the dominion they were promised....because you don’t bring back Adam the father of creation and not bring back Eve the mother of creation.....lol as it will be a time of union and reunification.









That’s what the 70th week is about bringing the two kingdoms/representatives back together

It is very frustrating watching how blinded you are to understanding the other anointed.....you read there will be a davidic/levitic kingdom(separation of the kingship and priesthood) during the millennium and then you try to change it into a melchelzedek kingdom(combined kingship and priesthood) so a single anointed can be both king and high priest....you read there will be two anointed the perfect number to fill both offices of the kingship and the priesthood then you discern one anointed will fill both offices of the kingship and the priesthood in a davidic/levitic kingdom and the other anointed is a 3 year messenger and then just disappears never to be heard of again...lol......can you not see that is blinded logic?

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Question:
How come you can’t see your partner but one claiming to be your partner can see you?

Answer:
Because you aren’t 2nd born ....you are firstborn and the firstborn blessing is the Judah blessing therefore you are promised the sceptre/kingship but also to be blind in part(deep sleep to seeing the 2nd born) til the fullness of the gentiles.

There would never have been a kingdom if the firstborn remained like this:
adaminthegaren1

Fortunately it ended up like this and two will have dominion:

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If you send two anointed in the end times you give them the two greatest blessings of the 12 sons to complete their mission. Actually God is giving them the firstborn and second born blessing. Firstborn blessing goes to Judah...second born birthright blessing goes to Joseph . What are the two greatest blessings? The Judah blessing which is the sceptre and the other blessing is the Joseph blessing which is the birthright. You know a second born because they are given the birthright. Why these two blessings? Because the two anointed are to have dominion over the whole earth...a gad blessing doesn’t have dominion over anything.....the kingship is the Judah sceptre blessing and the priesthood is the Joseph birthright blessing. In a Davidic/levitic kingdom you have to have two separate anointed to have dominion over the kingdom....fortunately we have two anointed.

1 chronicles 5:2. Judah is the chief leader but the birthright is Joseph’s

Joseph and Judah
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1 CHRONICLES 5:2Judah is the chief leader but the birthright is Joseph’s

As we know Judah received the firstborn blessing and Adam is the firstborn.......as we know Joseph received the second born blessing because second borns in the Bible get the birthright . And who is the second born? Eve of course..the one Adam/Judah is blinded to seeing til the fullness of the gentiles.......the second born being the brand plucked from the fire won’t be so great but the rest is phenomenal .....still don’t see the 1st born 2nd born reunification scenario sword.....are you still all about a single firstborn anointed uniting with himself? It’s a train wreck watching your understanding.....but God has blinded you so I’ll wait.



The throne room is the Supreme Court...your verdict doesn’t look good for being the earthly king and high priest ...lol....your chances of being king and high priest are impossible for a davidic/levitic kingdom but hold out if you want....God has you blinded for a season that the other anointed can grow stronger
















You have to decide. Do you strive to be the king and high priest on earth in a davidic/k\levitic kingdom?......or do you want to hear “well done my good and faithful servant”. I’d go for the latter as it is the only possible one.


Example of the two sons Judah and ephraim/Joseph in Luke 15:




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The whole book is about these 3:


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Jesus

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The firstborn and the second born:

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You have two groups.....the Christians who can only see Jesus and the jues who can only see the firstborn messiah Ben David and second born messiah messiah Ben Joseph.

What they don’t realize is there are 2 realms...the heavenly and the earthly and the earthly is a shadow of the heavenly but lesser so in heaven one anointed can be King and High Priest which is Jesus. On earth you have to have 2 anointed to divide the two offices of the kingship and the priesthood and we have that in the two earthly anointed. That is the whole purpose of the book to fix the mistake the first born and second born made and reunite them and give them dominion.

The highest level this earth can reach is davidic/levitic which means separation of the kingship and priesthood...the level of the saved is melchelzedek order both kings and priests....that’s why a new earth is needed for the new priesthood that will be after the millennium

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