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Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre

 
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Friend you act scared to respond to my responses...then again the tumid states when Joseph dies David becomes frightened ....we both know this is because the manchild is going to get a rebuke from God over Joshua the high priest....the other anointed that Judah vexed....lol...I tried to tell you ahead of time but your pride made you not listen...til the fullness of the gentiles when you can listen to me...cya then partner.
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I am hardly scared. The reason I have and I will stop responding to you is because you cannot hear what I am telling you when I do reveal the truth of what is being said.

To repeat myself again from my last post to you. Scholars, theologians of the Word, teacher, and rabbis have long ago concluded. That the man known as that future prince of/in Israel during the millennium age in (Ezek.40-48KJV.) Is the same man fulfilling all the duties of that prince. From the duties of his royal position to the priestly duty of offering burnt offerings.

If it would have been otherwise the Word would have revealed two separate individuals performing those task. A prince of/in Israel and a priest of/in Israel. You must read the Word as it is presented not as you desire to make it appear according to your own exegesis of what you want it to say, but doesn't. This is the warning against such men who do such things, Add neither or take from the scriptures. Thus, bringing a curse upon any who do so.

Now I will share one other thing with you. Not because you need to know, but that you might receive a thing not understood by men. For the mystery of the prince in (Ezek.40-48KJV) is believed by many as not being Jesus. And those who believe this are correct. For as I have said to you in the past.. a king must never be relegated to the lower position of a prince.

That this man also shall bear sons/children (Ezek.46:16) and to do so he most have the attributes of a mortal man. Thus Jesus who never had children and shall never have children after the flesh, makes Jesus in these passages non-descriptive of that prince in Israel.

Thus, here is the mystery if you can receive it. I believe from my scriptural studies that the prince of/in Israel at that time of the millennium age is the same man as one of the witnesses of (Rev.11.)

The reason I have concluded this to be true is that a man in the Word symbolically referred to as a prince seems often to be an allegory of another throughout scripture.

This individual is revealed as perhaps one set aside to later appear as another from the one depicted in that which is revealed on the surface of its description; referred to as the prince in one form or another.

For an example prince of Israel (Ezek.21:25-27KJV)...prince in Israel (Ezek.46:16KJV)...like a prince I would approach him, (man-child) (one like the son of man, the kings son, a prince) (Job.31:37KJV) (Rev.12:5KJV) (Dan.7:13-14KJV)... (one like Jacob who was named Israel meaning prince...is this the same Israel/prince God has called his servant to bring back His people to Him in the latter days (Isa.49:1-5KJV?)

So now another possible mystery still hidden. If this witness/prince of (Rev.11KJV) is killed and dead in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half days. How is it that he could come back as a mortal man within a fleshly body with all its attributes 3 and half yrs later to rule during the millennial age. The same way that Lazarus, the son of the widow of Nain, and Jairus' daughter did. By the power of the force of the Most High!

So therefore it doesn't state in scripture that God raised them in spirit form only or even soulish form..but the spirit of life entered into them as a whole being... body/soul and spirit (Rev.11:11KJV.) Thus, this is indicting not a transformation of a the new but the restoration of the old.

If these things be. Then who could equal the spiritual level of the witness/prince in this life. Even reaching the pinnacle of creating the power of the demands of his own will (Rev.11:6KJV.) Who then in the new millennium age to come might he marry and produce sons (Ezek.46:16KJV?) For at his level of spiritual comprehension, leadership and commitment who could he be equally yoke to in marriage...The other witness of course!

Therefore, unless God goes against his own paradigm of the institution of marriage... the other witness must of course then be of the feminine characteristic. Therefore the word prophets in (Rev.11,) in accordance to the strong concordance can refer to either a prophet or a prophetess.

Thus as Adam and Eve began, so the beginning again shall commence with male and female. For all things within the Word declares itself from the end to the beginning (Isa.46:10KJV.) And so who could understand these mysteries hidden, except you transverse to the end to behold the beginnings purpose.

Just something you might want to contemplate. While you continue to accuse me of lacking any understanding of the mysteries or deeper things hidden within the WORD.
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As I stated 2 times already Nasi/prince simply means an exalted one and both princes David and Joseph are exalted ones but we know the prince in Ezekiel 46 is joseph because he is doing high priest duties and David being the earthly king can’t mix kingship with priesthood hence the need for 2 anointed....you keep trying to make the priestly anointed disappear and assume his position...lol

Don’t try to be a king uzziah I guarantee it won’t work out in your favor...lol

uzziahleprosy



As far as the two witnesses being a male and a female we know this isn’t speaking about physical male and female but instead it is speaking of spiritual masculine and feminine and the marriage/union is you the kingship and me the priesthood joining our two kingdoms to reunite your masculine southern kingdom Judah with my feminine northern kingdom ephraim.



dividedkingdom

Now about the prince having sons he can give gifts to. Again this prince is joseph because joseph is the only one who had two sons who became two tribes and those tribes are ephraim and manaseah so the sons the prince can give gifts to that are permanent are the thousands of sons of ephraim and manasseah....much better than giving gifts to a couple of David’s sons....lol

Notice also the land the prince of ezekiel 46 owns is right in the temple area...where else would the high priest live...lol. Also we know the high priest owns land so he isn’t levitic therefore if the high priest owns land and we know joseph is the high priest what qualifies him to be high priest? Joseph has the birthright 1 chronicles 5:2 and that qualifies him to be high priest....very very simple to see the prince who lives in the temple district Is the birthright holding high priest Joseph.

Ephraim
land1
land2



Notice in the original King James Bible picture Moses is holding the phalas representing masculine and Aaron the high priest is holding the egg representing the spiritual feminine .....the civil leader/king is always the masculine and the high priest is always the spiritual feminine.

mosesandaaron2
mosesandaaron1



Again we know these two anointed are males because I know you are david a male and I know the other witness is messiah Ben joseph/elijah a male....they are only spiritually masculine and feminine...David the masculine because he heads the kingship and Joseph heads the feminine priesthood as he does the duties of keeping the temple as a wife would do...baking the bread...lighting the candles...etc....so don’t go looking for a physical bride anytime soon...she isn’t coming...lol. You should instead be looking for the spiritual feminine the high priest that you will be coming in Union with...lol

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Notice the only tribe that is missing is the tribe of Joseph....but if you know that Joseph uses the birthright to be high priest you can see the prince land ownership is Joseph’s because Joseph is always hidden from the others...lol.,.even from Judah/david
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Notice the only tribe that is missing is the tribe of Joseph....but if you know that Joseph uses the birthright to be high priest you can see the prince land ownership is Joseph’s because Joseph is always hidden from the others...lol.,.even from Judah/david
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How do you hide from the other witness David/Judah.....God lets them think they are Joseph...lol.... it works I’ve seen it done and it is very effective....jues and Judah the other witness think God will never blind them even when he tells them he will til the fullness of the gentiles....They read it and skip that scripture ...and they get the wrong translation of the scriptures from then on.

You have to read what the scriptures say not think how you thinkGod should act,,,,if he says you will blind till the fullness of the gentiles look who you are going to be blind to seeing......hint it’s Joseph .,, lol

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As you stated above there has to be a union/marriage of the Adam/masculine and Eve/feminine


Again this union is not physical it is spiritual therefore we have to ask ourselves what is the spiritual masculine and what is the spiritual feminine?
The spiritual masculine is the kingship and the spiritual feminine is the priesthood as I explained in the previous posts above

You aren’t going to marry yourself so you might want to find the inheritor of the spiritual feminine/priesthood

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Sword do you really think you are going to be physically married to the other witness who is going to be a physical female? Really you can’t see how absurd that is....you want so bad to be both David the king and Joseph the high priest that you believe the end times Adam and Eve are going to be once again physically married.....the beginning In genesis is the physical marriage...the end is spiritual union....learn the difference friend....it seems you lack responses for some reason....perhaps you see you are wrong and I’m correct...but it isn’t the fullness of the gentiles so I doubt that...lol....have a good night partner

The number one rule of eschatology....the physical is shown first as shown as a shadow of the later spiritual...Shirley you know this is in thousands of books perhaps you read one or you could skip the 2 hour book and take 10 seconds to look it up on the internet as knowledge is greatly increased now and the one witness can learn what the first witness took years to learn he can learn in months...lol

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Sword do you really think you are going to be physically married to the other witness who is going to be a physical female? Really you can’t see how absurd that is....you want so bad to be both David the king and Joseph the high priest that you believe the end times Adam and Eve are going to be once again physically married.....the beginning In genesis is the physical marriage...the end is spiritual union....learn the difference friend....it seems you lack responses for some reason....perhaps you see you are wrong and I’m correct...but it isn’t the fullness of the gentiles so I doubt that...lol....have a good night partner

The number one rule of eschatology....the physical is shown first as shown as a shadow of the later spiritual...Shirley you know this is in thousands of books perhaps you read one or you could skip the 2 hour book and take 10 seconds to look it up on the internet as knowledge is greatly increased now and the one witness can learn what the first witness took years to learn he can learn in months...lol
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Waterman, I don't want any position as David or Joseph! I can't seem to get that through your head. I never sought a position and if I receive one; God knows it shall be thrust on me. Regardless it seems it is you who have taken on the responsibility of placing me in a position. This is hardly your calling and beyond your ability to designate any office for any man. You're not that omniscient one who makes those choices.

I only know that the paradigms you have learned from past teachings by those who you follow are not going to conform to the reality you've imagined. Because it is only the same tutelage that you and them presume and it is mostly presented for egocentrically effects. Instead of following the order of what the Word actual implies.

For the Lord is going to do a new thing in the earth/Word in the last days/end days/eschatological period (Isa.48:7) (Isa.43:18-19KJV.) Unlike the former traditional similitude's, and its past form of execution.

Waterman, it's not the accumulation of what one learns over the years or how long or little it takes to acquire that knowledge. For it's not the volume of the context we must learn but it's the contents of the purpose of its words that establishes its correct meaning.

Reading up on material to seek knowledge instead of grasping it only has a tendency to induce a state of presumption. Whenever it's meant to give a spiritual knowledge of understanding; it's through discernment that manifest the truth of those writings. Discernment is a gift and is portioned out to those who are meant to comprehend it revelations; and what otherwise is concealed from subjective mentality.

Now waterman I have no further desire to communicate with you. You know some of my viewpoints, thoughts, and beliefs.

I cannot add or increase your ability to comprehend what you have already incorrectly learned from those who are set-in the traditions of their ways and of the past. Remember the past is of a traditional old manifestation of things changing toward a greater work of God. And few men will see it coming. Neither will they recognize its fulfillment.

For again God will do a new thing in the earth and if it be told to man he would scarcely believe it...Why? Because like Christ first coming it will go against traditional preconceptions! Because it will be a new thing happening in the earth, as God is always in motion... (2Cor.5:7KJV) (Luke.9:62KJV) Eccl.7:10.) (Isa.43:18-19KJV.)

Perhaps when the "roaring lion is chased out of the wood" (material of wood..a book,) and soon to come. Some might listen (2 Esdras.11:37-38KJV) (2 Esdras.12:1KJV) and come to the knowledge of the truth.

Waterman, listen to the song "Bring In The Clowns" by Glenn Close. It tells of our relationship and your final destiny. And my destiny is the song lyrics of "I Started A Joke" by the Bee Gees.
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Sword do you really think you are going to be physically married to the other witness who is going to be a physical female? Really you can’t see how absurd that is....you want so bad to be both David the king and Joseph the high priest that you believe the end times Adam and Eve are going to be once again physically married.....the beginning In genesis is the physical marriage...the end is spiritual union....learn the difference friend....it seems you lack responses for some reason....perhaps you see you are wrong and I’m correct...but it isn’t the fullness of the gentiles so I doubt that...lol....have a good night partner

The number one rule of eschatology....the physical is shown first as shown as a shadow of the later spiritual...Shirley you know this is in thousands of books perhaps you read one or you could skip the 2 hour book and take 10 seconds to look it up on the internet as knowledge is greatly increased now and the one witness can learn what the first witness took years to learn he can learn in months...lol
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Waterman, I don't want any position as David or Joseph! I can't seem to get that through your head. I never sought a position and if I receive one; God knows it shall be thrust on me. Regardless it seems it is you who have taken on the responsibility of placing me in a position. This is hardly your calling and beyond your ability to designate any office for any man. You're not that omniscient one who makes those choices.

I only know that the paradigms you have learned from past teachings by those who you follow are not going to conform to the reality you've imagined. Because it is only the same tutelage that you and them presume and it is mostly presented for egocentrically effects. Instead of following the order of what the Word actual implies.

For the Lord is going to do a new thing in the earth/Word in the last days/end days/eschatological period (Isa.48:7) (Isa.43:18-19KJV.) Unlike the former traditional similitude's, and its past form of execution.

Waterman, it's not the accumulation of what one learns over the years or how long or little it takes to acquire that knowledge. For it's not the volume of the context we must learn but it's the contents of the purpose of its words that establishes its correct meaning.

Reading up on material to seek knowledge instead of grasping it only has a tendency to induce a state of presumption. Whenever it's meant to give a spiritual knowledge of understanding; it's through discernment that manifest the truth of those writings. Discernment is a gift and is portioned out to those who are meant to comprehend it revelations; and what otherwise is concealed from subjective mentality.

Now waterman I have no further desire to communicate with you. You know some of my viewpoints, thoughts, and beliefs.

I cannot add or increase your ability to comprehend what you have already incorrectly learned from those who are set-in the traditions of their ways and of the past. Remember the past is of a traditional old manifestation of things changing toward a greater work of God. And few men will see it coming. Neither will they recognize its fulfillment.

For again God will do a new thing in the earth and if it be told to man he would scarcely believe it...Why? Because like Christ first coming it will go against traditional preconceptions! Because it will be a new thing happening in the earth, as God is always in motion... (2Cor.5:7KJV) (Luke.9:62KJV) Eccl.7:10.) (Isa.43:18-19KJV.)

Perhaps when the "roaring lion is chased out of the wood" (material of wood..a book,) and soon to come. Some might listen (2 Esdras.11:37-38KJV) (2 Esdras.12:1KJV) and come to the knowledge of the truth.

Waterman, listen to the song "Bring In The Clowns" by Glenn Close. It tells of our relationship and your final destiny. And my destiny is the song lyrics of "I Started A Joke" by the Bee Gees.
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I didn’t designate the two offices I just claim to be able to see who has them and how they are two offices and not just one.

The old “God is going to do a new thing” scripture ....lol...how many have used that scripture to make whatever they want to be true. Regardless God promises the millennium will be davidic levitic which means separation of kingship and priesthood and I already know you are only the king which means the high priest will be a colleague of yours....I don’t see any other who could be your colleague other than me...lol

As far as the lion coming out of the wood that is speaking of elijah giving warning that judgement is coming.....you haven’t yet claimed that calling also have you?....lol

I presented overwhelming evidence we are the two anointed but I have already read in zechariah it will take a rebuke from God in the throne room to verify what I have informed you of is true. So til the throne room...til the fullness of the gentiles...cya then partner




The funny thing is this song is about us but you aren’t the one you think you are in the song...you are the other one....you think you are a Joseph but in reality you are the Judah....until you can put the right shoe on the left foot and the left shoe on the right foot your perspective will continue to be flawed...lol







Read the scriptures friend over and over and over it shows you firstborns and second borns don’t get along because the second born is the favored one ....ie cain and able....Ishmael and issac....Esau and Jacob....Judah and Joseph....manasseah and ephraim...over and over it is shown throughout scriptures

The trigger of them not getting along is when that second born realizes he has the birthright...the second born informs the firstborn that the second born knows the birthright belongs to the second born....this never goes over well with the firstborn and now you know why there is contention between us....because I know you are the firstborn and I know I’m the second born and I know I have the birthright.

jacobgoat1




So scriptures that are speaking about birthright holders such as Jacob...Joseph and ephraim are soeaking about the second born not the firstborn....that makes it simple to see who is being spoken of in Isaiah the 40’s chapters ...if it say Israel it is speaking to the firstborn...if it says Jacob it is speaking about the second born...very very simple to see who is being spoken too......there are 2 Israel’s a first born and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel which means to rule as a “prince” which takes us over to ezekiel 46...lol...but we don’t have time to go into that right now....I have to get a tent set up for my service today.(genesis 25:27)...Must not going to rain today my hip feels good today....talk to ya later...lol







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Genesis 25:27:

And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tents


Just in case you think I think it only means Jacob dwells in tents...I also know the deeper meaning....Esau the firstborn hunts the fields means he searches the scriptures while Jacob the second born remains at home in the tents and yet reaps the rewards of esaus “hunt”/searching the scriptures by taking a portion of what Esau finds....didn’t want ya thinking I didn’t see that...lol...have a good day.

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Sword do you really think you are going to be physically married to the other witness who is going to be a physical female? Really you can’t see how absurd that is....you want so bad to be both David the king and Joseph the high priest that you believe the end times Adam and Eve are going to be once again physically married.....the beginning In genesis is the physical marriage...the end is spiritual union....learn the difference friend....it seems you lack responses for some reason....perhaps you see you are wrong and I’m correct...but it isn’t the fullness of the gentiles so I doubt that...lol....have a good night partner

The number one rule of eschatology....the physical is shown first as shown as a shadow of the later spiritual...Shirley you know this is in thousands of books perhaps you read one or you could skip the 2 hour book and take 10 seconds to look it up on the internet as knowledge is greatly increased now and the one witness can learn what the first witness took years to learn he can learn in months...lol
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Waterman, I don't want any position as David or Joseph! I can't seem to get that through your head. I never sought a position and if I receive one; God knows it shall be thrust on me. Regardless it seems it is you who have taken on the responsibility of placing me in a position. This is hardly your calling and beyond your ability to designate any office for any man. You're not that omniscient one who makes those choices.

I only know that the paradigms you have learned from past teachings by those who you follow are not going to conform to the reality you've imagined. Because it is only the same tutelage that you and them presume and it is mostly presented for egocentrically effects. Instead of following the order of what the Word actual implies.

For the Lord is going to do a new thing in the earth/Word in the last days/end days/eschatological period (Isa.48:7) (Isa.43:18-19KJV.) Unlike the former traditional similitude's, and its past form of execution.

Waterman, it's not the accumulation of what one learns over the years or how long or little it takes to acquire that knowledge. For it's not the volume of the context we must learn but it's the contents of the purpose of its words that establishes its correct meaning.

Reading up on material to seek knowledge instead of grasping it only has a tendency to induce a state of presumption. Whenever it's meant to give a spiritual knowledge of understanding; it's through discernment that manifest the truth of those writings. Discernment is a gift and is portioned out to those who are meant to comprehend it revelations; and what otherwise is concealed from subjective mentality.

Now waterman I have no further desire to communicate with you. You know some of my viewpoints, thoughts, and beliefs.

I cannot add or increase your ability to comprehend what you have already incorrectly learned from those who are set-in the traditions of their ways and of the past. Remember the past is of a traditional old manifestation of things changing toward a greater work of God. And few men will see it coming. Neither will they recognize its fulfillment.

For again God will do a new thing in the earth and if it be told to man he would scarcely believe it...Why? Because like Christ first coming it will go against traditional preconceptions! Because it will be a new thing happening in the earth, as God is always in motion... (2Cor.5:7KJV) (Luke.9:62KJV) Eccl.7:10.) (Isa.43:18-19KJV.)

Perhaps when the "roaring lion is chased out of the wood" (material of wood..a book,) and soon to come. Some might listen (2 Esdras.11:37-38KJV) (2 Esdras.12:1KJV) and come to the knowledge of the truth.

Waterman, listen to the song "Bring In The Clowns" by Glenn Close. It tells of our relationship and your final destiny. And my destiny is the song lyrics of "I Started A Joke" by the Bee Gees.
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I didn’t designate the two offices I just claim to be able to see who has them and how they are two offices and not just one.

The old “God is going to do a new thing” scripture ....lol...how many have used that scripture to make whatever they want to be true. Regardless God promises the millennium will be davidic levitic which means separation of kingship and priesthood and I already know you are only the king which means the high priest will be a colleague of yours....I don’t see any other who could be your colleague other than me...lol

As far as the lion coming out of the wood that is speaking of elijah giving warning that judgement is coming.....you haven’t yet claimed that calling also have you?....lol

I presented overwhelming evidence we are the two anointed but I have already read in zechariah it will take a rebuke from God in the throne room to verify what I have informed you of is true. So til the throne room...til the fullness of the gentiles...cya then partner




The funny thing is this song is about us but you aren’t the one you think you are in the song...you are the other one....you think you are a Joseph but in reality you are the Judah....until you can put the right shoe on the left foot and the left shoe on the right foot your perspective will continue to be flawed...lol







Read the scriptures friend over and over and over it shows you firstborns and second borns don’t get along because the second born is the favored one ....ie cain and able....Ishmael and issac....Esau and Jacob....Judah and Joseph....manasseah and ephraim...over and over it is shown throughout scriptures

The trigger of them not getting along is when that second born realizes he has the birthright...the second born informs the firstborn that the second born knows the birthright belongs to the second born....this never goes over well with the firstborn and now you know why there is contention between us....because I know you are the firstborn and I know I’m the second born and I know I have the birthright.

jacobgoat1




So scriptures that are speaking about birthright holders such as Jacob...Joseph and ephraim are soeaking about the second born not the firstborn....that makes it simple to see who is being spoken of in Isaiah the 40’s chapters ...if it say Israel it is speaking to the firstborn...if it says Jacob it is speaking about the second born...very very simple to see who is being spoken too......there are 2 Israel’s a first born and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel which means to rule as a “prince” which takes us over to ezekiel 46...lol...but we don’t have time to go into that right now....I have to get a tent set up for my service today.(genesis 25:27)...Must not going to rain today my hip feels good today....talk to ya later...lol







P.S:


Genesis 25:27:

And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tents


Just in case you think I think it only means Jacob dwells in tents...I also know the deeper meaning....Esau the firstborn hunts the fields means he searches the scriptures while Jacob the second born remains at home in the tents and yet reaps the rewards of esaus “hunt”/searching the scriptures by taking a portion of what Esau finds....didn’t want ya thinking I didn’t see that...lol...have a good day.
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Waterman, I have never seen anyone twist scriptures around to suit their own viewpoint.

First of all you claim the one witness is a symbolism of royalty (a king) and the other a priest. Now you say the man prophesied of in (2 Esdras 11-12) is Elijah (you claim is a priest).

Yet that one symbolizes a lion the recognized (king) royalty of his terrain. His further appointed destination is to judge those people in their situation during the end. He shall reprove them and upbraid them with their own cruelty. This is the order of a royal position not that of a priest.

Elijah doesn't come to judge but to restore the heart of the children to their fathers. The royalty king-ship (scepter) holder of a nation executes a sentence in judging the decisions of a nation not a priest. A priest seeks to reconcile the people to God.

A king must judge the actions of the wicked people of his land. This same man is required to gather the rest of God's people and deliver them with mercy upon those pressed on God's borders. This is the responsibility of that Shiloh of (Gen.49:10KJV,) who is the temporary scepter holder of God's earthly kingdom. He shall gather the people together at that time. It further reveals that man in (2 Esdras 13) and again the gathering of the people. He is a ruler of authority not of a priestly position, but of a royal responsibility.

He is also one of the witnesses of (Rev.11.) For he has the same ability to proclaim the truth in powerful demonstration as fire from his mouth in (2 Esdras.13KJV.)

Also it indicates that that lion (man) shall be chased out of his wood (book) not God's book. You might be just the instrument God shall use to bring this about. So anyhow it indicates he the (lion) king shall be chased (harassed) out of his wood a material made from that product (a book.)

Waterman, again you twist scripture to fulfill your own self determined failures. Esau is not and never was a called witness for God. God hated Esau, not likely he is symbolic of one of God's two beloved anointed ones. So any gathering he gained was foul toward the workings of interpreting scripture. Why would Jacob want that information to gather knowledge of the Word? Again you seek to justify an example of those things that are of a simplified statement into some other meaning.

Just as this asinine statement of yours that there are two Israel's as individuals, not scriptural. That God is going to punish one of the witnesses in the throne room because he didn't agree with your cockamamie ideals of what the Word is declaring, not scriptural.

Again Jacob, Joseph and Ephraim are of the royal ancestry not the priesthood. Jacob holds his name as Israel (the prince) Joseph follows that same lineage as the authority under pharaoh (the king) as a prince of authority and the signet ring holder.) Not as a priest or even close to that position. And Ephraim fared the same, as a prince, as his father's son not as a priest.

As far as siblings not getting along so what, it has nothing to do with the two witnesses of Revelation. As far as the two witnesses being a symbolic Judah and Joseph you as always are half right. Judah is not a witness symbolism, but a Jesus symbolism (Lion of Judah.) The two witnesses will be Joseph and Gad (Elijah,) (Gen.49KJV) and (Deut.33KJV.) Not a king or a priest at that time but two prophets. What they might one day become is not necessary to know at this point. You have enough on your menu as it is. But nowhere in scripture does it say the two witnesses of (Rev.11) are a king or a priest. This is another of your imaginary ideologies.

You started off with mixing up tribes, individuals and nations as a one focus transformation from substance to two people/witnesses. And from then on you convinced yourself you were one of them. Not by any confirmation from any individuals or any revealing by any entities. But through the reasoning of a mindset you wanted to be that character. Guess what... you're in for a big shock.

I couldn't tell you anything now. You're convinced what you believe is true. Not biblical but a truth you have contrived within your own mind set. So no matter what I say it will not register. You are hopeless. I am done responding to you . Believe as you will, I have better things to do with my time.

I can assure you though no one is jealous of your position. Whatever it might or might not be. God calls each for their own purpose and if it is directed in that position that shall be the outcome. Nothing to be jealous about. Especially from one who could care less concerning whatever is yours or others destiny.
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Sword do you really think you are going to be physically married to the other witness who is going to be a physical female? Really you can’t see how absurd that is....you want so bad to be both David the king and Joseph the high priest that you believe the end times Adam and Eve are going to be once again physically married.....the beginning In genesis is the physical marriage...the end is spiritual union....learn the difference friend....it seems you lack responses for some reason....perhaps you see you are wrong and I’m correct...but it isn’t the fullness of the gentiles so I doubt that...lol....have a good night partner

The number one rule of eschatology....the physical is shown first as shown as a shadow of the later spiritual...Shirley you know this is in thousands of books perhaps you read one or you could skip the 2 hour book and take 10 seconds to look it up on the internet as knowledge is greatly increased now and the one witness can learn what the first witness took years to learn he can learn in months...lol
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Waterman, I don't want any position as David or Joseph! I can't seem to get that through your head. I never sought a position and if I receive one; God knows it shall be thrust on me. Regardless it seems it is you who have taken on the responsibility of placing me in a position. This is hardly your calling and beyond your ability to designate any office for any man. You're not that omniscient one who makes those choices.

I only know that the paradigms you have learned from past teachings by those who you follow are not going to conform to the reality you've imagined. Because it is only the same tutelage that you and them presume and it is mostly presented for egocentrically effects. Instead of following the order of what the Word actual implies.

For the Lord is going to do a new thing in the earth/Word in the last days/end days/eschatological period (Isa.48:7) (Isa.43:18-19KJV.) Unlike the former traditional similitude's, and its past form of execution.

Waterman, it's not the accumulation of what one learns over the years or how long or little it takes to acquire that knowledge. For it's not the volume of the context we must learn but it's the contents of the purpose of its words that establishes its correct meaning.

Reading up on material to seek knowledge instead of grasping it only has a tendency to induce a state of presumption. Whenever it's meant to give a spiritual knowledge of understanding; it's through discernment that manifest the truth of those writings. Discernment is a gift and is portioned out to those who are meant to comprehend it revelations; and what otherwise is concealed from subjective mentality.

Now waterman I have no further desire to communicate with you. You know some of my viewpoints, thoughts, and beliefs.

I cannot add or increase your ability to comprehend what you have already incorrectly learned from those who are set-in the traditions of their ways and of the past. Remember the past is of a traditional old manifestation of things changing toward a greater work of God. And few men will see it coming. Neither will they recognize its fulfillment.

For again God will do a new thing in the earth and if it be told to man he would scarcely believe it...Why? Because like Christ first coming it will go against traditional preconceptions! Because it will be a new thing happening in the earth, as God is always in motion... (2Cor.5:7KJV) (Luke.9:62KJV) Eccl.7:10.) (Isa.43:18-19KJV.)

Perhaps when the "roaring lion is chased out of the wood" (material of wood..a book,) and soon to come. Some might listen (2 Esdras.11:37-38KJV) (2 Esdras.12:1KJV) and come to the knowledge of the truth.

Waterman, listen to the song "Bring In The Clowns" by Glenn Close. It tells of our relationship and your final destiny. And my destiny is the song lyrics of "I Started A Joke" by the Bee Gees.
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I didn’t designate the two offices I just claim to be able to see who has them and how they are two offices and not just one.

The old “God is going to do a new thing” scripture ....lol...how many have used that scripture to make whatever they want to be true. Regardless God promises the millennium will be davidic levitic which means separation of kingship and priesthood and I already know you are only the king which means the high priest will be a colleague of yours....I don’t see any other who could be your colleague other than me...lol

As far as the lion coming out of the wood that is speaking of elijah giving warning that judgement is coming.....you haven’t yet claimed that calling also have you?....lol

I presented overwhelming evidence we are the two anointed but I have already read in zechariah it will take a rebuke from God in the throne room to verify what I have informed you of is true. So til the throne room...til the fullness of the gentiles...cya then partner




The funny thing is this song is about us but you aren’t the one you think you are in the song...you are the other one....you think you are a Joseph but in reality you are the Judah....until you can put the right shoe on the left foot and the left shoe on the right foot your perspective will continue to be flawed...lol







Read the scriptures friend over and over and over it shows you firstborns and second borns don’t get along because the second born is the favored one ....ie cain and able....Ishmael and issac....Esau and Jacob....Judah and Joseph....manasseah and ephraim...over and over it is shown throughout scriptures

The trigger of them not getting along is when that second born realizes he has the birthright...the second born informs the firstborn that the second born knows the birthright belongs to the second born....this never goes over well with the firstborn and now you know why there is contention between us....because I know you are the firstborn and I know I’m the second born and I know I have the birthright.

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So scriptures that are speaking about birthright holders such as Jacob...Joseph and ephraim are soeaking about the second born not the firstborn....that makes it simple to see who is being spoken of in Isaiah the 40’s chapters ...if it say Israel it is speaking to the firstborn...if it says Jacob it is speaking about the second born...very very simple to see who is being spoken too......there are 2 Israel’s a first born and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel which means to rule as a “prince” which takes us over to ezekiel 46...lol...but we don’t have time to go into that right now....I have to get a tent set up for my service today.(genesis 25:27)...Must not going to rain today my hip feels good today....talk to ya later...lol







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Genesis 25:27:

And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tents


Just in case you think I think it only means Jacob dwells in tents...I also know the deeper meaning....Esau the firstborn hunts the fields means he searches the scriptures while Jacob the second born remains at home in the tents and yet reaps the rewards of esaus “hunt”/searching the scriptures by taking a portion of what Esau finds....didn’t want ya thinking I didn’t see that...lol...have a good day.
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Waterman, I have never seen anyone twist scriptures around to suit their own viewpoint.

First of all you claim the one witness is a symbolism of royalty (a king) and the other a priest. Now you say the man prophesied of in (2 Esdras 11-12) is Elijah (you claim is a priest).

Yet that one symbolizes a lion the recognized (king) royalty of his terrain. His further appointed destination is to judge those people in their situation during the end. He shall reprove them and upbraid them with their own cruelty. This is the order of a royal position not that of a priest.

Elijah doesn't come to judge but to restore the heart of the children to their fathers. The royalty king-ship (scepter) holder of a nation executes a sentence in judging the decisions of a nation not a priest. A priest seeks to reconcile the people to God.

A king must judge the actions of the wicked people of his land. This same man is required to gather the rest of God's people and deliver them with mercy upon those pressed on God's borders. This is the responsibility of that Shiloh of (Gen.49:10KJV,) who is the temporary scepter holder of God's earthly kingdom. He shall gather the people together at that time. It further reveals that man in (2 Esdras 13) and again the gathering of the people. He is a ruler of authority not of a priestly position, but of a royal responsibility.

He is also one of the witnesses of (Rev.11.) For he has the same ability to proclaim the truth in powerful demonstration as fire from his mouth in (2 Esdras.13KJV.)

Also it indicates that that lion (man) shall be chased out of his wood (book) not God's book. You might be just the instrument God shall use to bring this about. So anyhow it indicates he the (lion) king shall be chased (harassed) out of his wood a material made from that product (a book.)

Waterman, again you twist scripture to fulfill your own self determined failures. Esau is not and never was a called witness for God. God hated Esau, not likely he is symbolic of one of God's two beloved anointed ones. So any gathering he gained was foul toward the workings of interpreting scripture. Why would Jacob want that information to gather knowledge of the Word? Again you seek to justify an example of those things that are of a simplified statement into some other meaning.

Just as this asinine statement of yours that there are two Israel's as individuals, not scriptural. That God is going to punish one of the witnesses in the throne room because he didn't agree with your cockamamie ideals of what the Word is declaring, not scriptural.

Again Jacob, Joseph and Ephraim are of the royal ancestry not the priesthood. Jacob holds his name as Israel (the prince) Joseph follows that same lineage as the authority under pharaoh (the king) as a prince of authority and the signet ring holder.) Not as a priest or even close to that position. And Ephraim fared the same, as a prince, as his father's son not as a priest.

As far as siblings not getting along so what, it has nothing to do with the two witnesses of Revelation. As far as the two witnesses being a symbolic Judah and Joseph you as always are half right. Judah is not a witness symbolism, but a Jesus symbolism (Lion of Judah.) The two witnesses will be Joseph and Gad (Elijah,) (Gen.49KJV) and (Deut.33KJV.) Not a king or a priest at that time but two prophets. What they might one day become is not necessary to know at this point. You have enough on your menu as it is. But nowhere in scripture does it say the two witnesses of (Rev.11) are a king or a priest. This is another of your imaginary ideologies.

You started off with mixing up tribes, individuals and nations as a one focus transformation from substance to two people/witnesses. And from then on you convinced yourself you were one of them. Not by any confirmation from any individuals or any revealing by any entities. But through the reasoning of a mindset you wanted to be that character. Guess what... you're in for a big shock.

I couldn't tell you anything now. You're convinced what you believe is true. Not biblical but a truth you have contrived within your own mind set. So no matter what I say it will not register. You are hopeless. I am done responding to you . Believe as you will, I have better things to do with my time.

I can assure you though no one is jealous of your position. Whatever it might or might not be. God calls each for their own purpose and if it is directed in that position that shall be the outcome. Nothing to be jealous about. Especially from one who could care less concerning whatever is yours or others destiny.
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Certainly the high priest is a judge....have you not read zechariah 3?:

7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.


Being you are firstborn you were given the first choice to address the northern kingdom/ephraim when you were 30 in 1978...you had to be 30 in order to be in charge of the priesthood...but when you said "no" the two offices were divided just like when moses said "no" God wanted moses to do it all both civil leader and priesthood but when he said "no" God sent him a high priest.....and God knows the personality of the one he chooses and knows they will say no before they even do....and so now you know you will be sent a high priest.

So being you said "no" he had to wait for the 2nd born to reach the age of 30 to be able to run the priesthood...because the requirement of being a high priest is you have to be 30..notice I came around right in 1998 to inform you of who you are on your 50th birthday and that year I turned 30 just like you was when your call started.

So we did our 42 months of sweet council and I leaned what you plowed..... and after that I went to a 10 year spiritual prison for testing and after the spiritual prison I learned how to divide what was plowed by you during our sweet council...when I told you what I learned this was the breaking of beauty and bands/breaking the brotherhood of Judah and Israel because you didn't like the dividing of the two offices/blessings/etc.










Again showing you are judah/israel and I am also israel....see the brotherhood between the two is broken that they can become independent of each other..... Now I know you can see that strip of land over in the Middle East is geographical israel but so far only consists of the southern kingdom because the other 10 tribes have not yet joined the southern kingdom....and you know the United States is the Jacob kingdom that has to go thru the furnace of affliction to have their named changed to isreal...therefore you know there are two israel kingdoms/nations...how far of a stretch is it to see if there are two israel kingdoms does it take to see there are two israel representatives...the elder is already israel but the younger will have to go thru the furnace of affliction to get the name changed from Jacob to israel....this is why GOD says to the adversary of Joshua the high priest in the throne room “is this not a brand plucked from the fire?”....Jacob is a brand plucked from the fire and will then be known as israel because he will rule as a prince....as he will rule the priesthood on earth.
Zechariah 11:
14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.







Being you said "no" I was given charge of the northern kingdom and will be the first to address the northern kingdom of Ephraim therefore I will be the first lion out of the wood...as my position to warn of judgement is coming and is to gather my kingdom and push them toward the southern kingdom.....you have no authority over my kingdom now just as I have no authority over your southern kingdom of judah...therefore the need of the union/marriage of the two kingdoms..once united you will be king of all and I will be high priest of all....being a lion simply shows having authority over a kingdom...there are 2 kingdoms and they are divided...two kingdoms means 2 have dominion...one over each kingdom

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Three things you aren’t you won’t be and can never be because it is the position of the other anointed are the following:

1. A second born because you are the Adam the firstborn with beginning of days.

2. The birthright holder as we see this blessing is reserved for the second born.

3. The earthly high priest as this is reserved for the 2nd born birthright holder



1. So being you are none of these 3 there is no possibility that you are any of the 2nd borns in scripture Eve.....issac ...Jacob...ephraim...etc

2. There is no possibility you are the birthright holders such as Jacob Joseph.....ephraim...etc.

3. There is no possibility of you being any of the priests such as elijah...Aaron...Jeremiah...Joshua the high priest..John the Baptist...etc


We are in the volume of the book but at least learn which half you aren’t...lol...gotta share those blessings brother...lol

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I have found the secret to a riddle....what does it take to wake a judah? The fullness of the gentiles or the end of the age of grace....that’s what it takes....you can produce overwhelming evidence and they just say “ God is going to do a new thing”...the new thing was the age of grace...guess what you are still going to be here when that “new thing” is over and the age of grace has ended....how do you wake up a judah? Throne room rebuke by God...it’s the only way....I’ve tried everything...nothing works....truly God has blinded the Judah’s til the fullness of the gentiles......hmmm...very good...it has made me stronger.

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Be blessed sword if you didn’t have a second anointed you wouldn’t be the other anointed...so your welcome I found you first born....but then again it is a pattern the second borns always see the firstborns first...why why why don’t you study firstborn and second born in the Bible..the pattern is the firstborns can’t see the second borns and absorb all second borns blessings...can’t you see you are doing that?....probably not because the fullness of the gentiles isn’t happened....time will change that friend....you are only king not high priest.._you can’t steal my position no matter how much you want it...lol

Your lack of response doesn’t mean anything to me because I’m only required to tell you the message...your response means little because I know you are blinded til the fullness of the gentiles....you pretend I’m not well studied over being raised in Christianity and taught by the other anointed..I’ve learned to divide the blessings of the two anointed and I know who you are and who I am...you just don’t know about the breaking of the brotherhood of Judah and israel or who they are..but you will soon....lol...I wish you wasn’t the blind one til the fullness of the gentiles because you are the more studied but I break the clods/divide the blessings...but you are.....the Jues thought they were favored over Christians and yet Jues aren’t the bride....hmmm...ok....learn perspectives friend there is more than one...look at them all it changes much...it took me a 10 year spiritual prison to look at a second perspective and it released me from my prison....a second perspective may place you in a spiritual prison for a period of time but you come out stronger....cya on the other side of the spiritual prison....you have to have one to be the other anointed.

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Nothing is happening this year? I wish you would have informed me of this before I ordered the shofar yesterday that looks like the one in this picture below...it’s four foot long. I ordered the leather sling for it today.....they are coming from Israel

Now your time line is wrong if you think the two witnesses die March 21 as Jesus comes to the mount of olives October 7 2030 on the day of atonement to fulfill the fall feasts at his second coming as he did the spring feasts at his first coming so backing up 1260 days when the two witnesses die that puts them dying April 26 2027 on Passover just as Jesus did....back up another 1260 days puts you at November 13 being the start of 7 year trib....back up another 1150 days Jacobs trouble (Daniel chapter 8:14) puts you at September 19 which is rosh hashannah....back up another 30 days is the first of Elul which should be the arrival of Elijah


The shofar is to be blown everyday except Shabbat up to Elul 29...skip that day....blow the shofar on the two days of rosh hashannah and the final trump of the shofar is on the day of atonement/Yom Kippur....hence the need for the shofar.



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I believe Elijah or spirit of Elijah is lycanthropy. It wasn't a she bear that attacked those kids for mocking Elijah, it was him. Think about it... a she bear is smaller than a male bear and just the right size for a werewolf.

The man child is the bridge between werewolves and vampires. He has the double portion that Elisha asked for and Elijah said solemnly that he didn't understand what came with or what he would have to sacrifice to have it.
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Friend you act scared to respond to my responses...then again the tumid states when Joseph dies David becomes frightened ....we both know this is because the manchild is going to get a rebuke from God over Joshua the high priest....the other anointed that Judah vexed....lol...I tried to tell you ahead of time but your pride made you not listen...til the fullness of the gentiles when you can listen to me...cya then partner.
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I am hardly scared. The reason I have and I will stop responding to you is because you cannot hear what I am telling you when I do reveal the truth of what is being said.

To repeat myself again from my last post to you. Scholars, theologians of the Word, teacher, and rabbis have long ago concluded. That the man known as that future prince of/in Israel during the millennium age in (Ezek.40-48KJV.) Is the same man fulfilling all the duties of that prince. From the duties of his royal position to the priestly duty of offering burnt offerings.

If it would have been otherwise the Word would have revealed two separate individuals performing those task. A prince of/in Israel and a priest of/in Israel. You must read the Word as it is presented not as you desire to make it appear according to your own exegesis of what you want it to say, but doesn't. This is the warning against such men who do such things, Add neither or take from the scriptures. Thus, bringing a curse upon any who do so.

Now I will share one other thing with you. Not because you need to know, but that you might receive a thing not understood by men. For the mystery of the prince in (Ezek.40-48KJV) is believed by many as not being Jesus. And those who believe this are correct. For as I have said to you in the past.. a king must never be relegated to the lower position of a prince.

That this man also shall bear sons/children (Ezek.46:16) and to do so he most have the attributes of a mortal man. Thus Jesus who never had children and shall never have children after the flesh, makes Jesus in these passages non-descriptive of that prince in Israel.

Thus, here is the mystery if you can receive it. I believe from my scriptural studies that the prince of/in Israel at that time of the millennium age is the same man as one of the witnesses of (Rev.11.)

The reason I have concluded this to be true is that a man in the Word symbolically referred to as a prince seems often to be an allegory of another throughout scripture.

This individual is revealed as perhaps one set aside to later appear as another from the one depicted in that which is revealed on the surface of its description; referred to as the prince in one form or another.

For an example prince of Israel (Ezek.21:25-27KJV)...prince in Israel (Ezek.46:16KJV)...like a prince I would approach him, (man-child) (one like the son of man, the kings son, a prince) (Job.31:37KJV) (Rev.12:5KJV) (Dan.7:13-14KJV)... (one like Jacob who was named Israel meaning prince...is this the same Israel/prince God has called his servant to bring back His people to Him in the latter days (Isa.49:1-5KJV?)

So now another possible mystery still hidden. If this witness/prince of (Rev.11KJV) is killed and dead in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half days. How is it that he could come back as a mortal man within a fleshly body with all its attributes 3 and half yrs later to rule during the millennial age. The same way that Lazarus, the son of the widow of Nain, and Jairus' daughter did. By the power of the force of the Most High!

So therefore it doesn't state in scripture that God raised them in spirit form only or even soulish form..but the spirit of life entered into them as a whole being... body/soul and spirit (Rev.11:11KJV.) Thus, this is indicting not a transformation of a the new but the restoration of the old.

If these things be. Then who could equal the spiritual level of the witness/prince in this life. Even reaching the pinnacle of creating the power of the demands of his own will (Rev.11:6KJV.) Who then in the new millennium age to come might he marry and produce sons (Ezek.46:16KJV?) For at his level of spiritual comprehension, leadership and commitment who could he be equally yoke to in marriage...The other witness of course!

Therefore, unless God goes against his own paradigm of the institution of marriage... the other witness must of course then be of the feminine characteristic. Therefore the word prophets in (Rev.11,) in accordance to the strong concordance can refer to either a prophet or a prophetess.

Thus as Adam and Eve began, so the beginning again shall commence with male and female. For all things within the Word declares itself from the end to the beginning (Isa.46:10KJV.) And so who could understand these mysteries hidden, except you transverse to the end to behold the beginnings purpose.

Just something you might want to contemplate. While you continue to accuse me of lacking any understanding of the mysteries or deeper things hidden within the WORD.
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Friend you act scared to respond to my responses...then again the tumid states when Joseph dies David becomes frightened ....we both know this is because the manchild is going to get a rebuke from God over Joshua the high priest....the other anointed that Judah vexed....lol...I tried to tell you ahead of time but your pride made you not listen...til the fullness of the gentiles when you can listen to me...cya then partner.
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I am hardly scared. The reason I have and I will stop responding to you is because you cannot hear what I am telling you when I do reveal the truth of what is being said.

To repeat myself again from my last post to you. Scholars, theologians of the Word, teacher, and rabbis have long ago concluded. That the man known as that future prince of/in Israel during the millennium age in (Ezek.40-48KJV.) Is the same man fulfilling all the duties of that prince. From the duties of his royal position to the priestly duty of offering burnt offerings.

If it would have been otherwise the Word would have revealed two separate individuals performing those task. A prince of/in Israel and a priest of/in Israel. You must read the Word as it is presented not as you desire to make it appear according to your own exegesis of what you want it to say, but doesn't. This is the warning against such men who do such things, Add neither or take from the scriptures. Thus, bringing a curse upon any who do so.

Now I will share one other thing with you. Not because you need to know, but that you might receive a thing not understood by men. For the mystery of the prince in (Ezek.40-48KJV) is believed by many as not being Jesus. And those who believe this are correct. For as I have said to you in the past.. a king must never be relegated to the lower position of a prince.

That this man also shall bear sons/children (Ezek.46:16) and to do so he most have the attributes of a mortal man. Thus Jesus who never had children and shall never have children after the flesh, makes Jesus in these passages non-descriptive of that prince in Israel.

Thus, here is the mystery if you can receive it. I believe from my scriptural studies that the prince of/in Israel at that time of the millennium age is the same man as one of the witnesses of (Rev.11.)

The reason I have concluded this to be true is that a man in the Word symbolically referred to as a prince seems often to be an allegory of another throughout scripture.

This individual is revealed as perhaps one set aside to later appear as another from the one depicted in that which is revealed on the surface of its description; referred to as the prince in one form or another.

For an example prince of Israel (Ezek.21:25-27KJV)...prince in Israel (Ezek.46:16KJV)...like a prince I would approach him, (man-child) (one like the son of man, the kings son, a prince) (Job.31:37KJV) (Rev.12:5KJV) (Dan.7:13-14KJV)... (one like Jacob who was named Israel meaning prince...is this the same Israel/prince God has called his servant to bring back His people to Him in the latter days (Isa.49:1-5KJV?)

So now another possible mystery still hidden. If this witness/prince of (Rev.11KJV) is killed and dead in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half days. How is it that he could come back as a mortal man within a fleshly body with all its attributes 3 and half yrs later to rule during the millennial age. The same way that Lazarus, the son of the widow of Nain, and Jairus' daughter did. By the power of the force of the Most High!

So therefore it doesn't state in scripture that God raised them in spirit form only or even soulish form..but the spirit of life entered into them as a whole being... body/soul and spirit (Rev.11:11KJV.) Thus, this is indicting not a transformation of a the new but the restoration of the old.

If these things be. Then who could equal the spiritual level of the witness/prince in this life. Even reaching the pinnacle of creating the power of the demands of his own will (Rev.11:6KJV.) Who then in the new millennium age to come might he marry and produce sons (Ezek.46:16KJV?) For at his level of spiritual comprehension, leadership and commitment who could he be equally yoke to in marriage...The other witness of course!

Therefore, unless God goes against his own paradigm of the institution of marriage... the other witness must of course then be of the feminine characteristic. Therefore the word prophets in (Rev.11,) in accordance to the strong concordance can refer to either a prophet or a prophetess.

Thus as Adam and Eve began, so the beginning again shall commence with male and female. For all things within the Word declares itself from the end to the beginning (Isa.46:10KJV.) And so who could understand these mysteries hidden, except you transverse to the end to behold the beginnings purpose.

Just something you might want to contemplate. While you continue to accuse me of lacking any understanding of the mysteries or deeper things hidden within the WORD.
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He is quite the “plow”.... lol....hosea 10:11



If you read Ezekiel 19 you will see there are 2 prince of Israel sword just has a bit of a hard time seeing which one is which:

Ezekiel 19:

19 Moreover take thou up a lamentation for the princes of Israel,



Actually it is very simple to see which prince is which because David is the king and will do kingly duties....the other prince is Joseph and will use the birthright to be in charge of the high priest duties and the temple/holy district because on earth during the millennium the davidic kingship/levitic priesthood is reinstated and that means separation of kingship and priesthood on earth....that's how it is easy to see which prince is being spoken of.





Notice on the map there are 2 tribes missing levi which isn't allowed to own land and the other missing tribe is Joseph...why is Joseph missing because he has the birthright and is hidden...Josephs land allotment land on both sides the Holy District because he has the birthright and Ezekiel 45:7 states what is his. 1 chronicles 5:2 Judah is the chief leader but the birthright is Josephs.


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We see in Ezekiel 46 this prince is doing high priest duties and has sons:

Ezekiel 46:

16 Thus saith the Lord God; If the prince give a gift unto any of his sons, the inheritance thereof shall be his sons'; it shall be their possession by inheritance.

17 But if he give a gift of his inheritance to one of his servants, then it shall be his to the year of liberty; after it shall return to the prince: but his inheritance shall be his sons' for them.



The prince in ezekiel 46 isn't david it is Joseph because it would be a nice gesture if David gave some gifts to a couple of his sons.....but if the prince we see in Ezekiel 46 is the high priest Joseph then we know that Joseph had 2 sons and those 2 sons became tribes and are all the sons of Ephraim and Manasseah...then you have a gift that is given to thousands and not just a couple of sons of david.

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At the debate they said vaccines won’t be ready until summer 2021...so if this is a jubilee year starting with day of atonement then elijah arrives on passover 2021 warning judgement is coming on feast of trumpets 2021 and warn people not to get vaccine.....bride leaves on summer wheat harvest pentecost July 11 2021.... two wheat harvests in israel. [link to www.hope-of-israel.org (secure)]



Most likely Biden and Harris will win because if elijah shows up on passover 2021 he will need a ahab and jezzebel to fight against him....have you seen a more clear depiction of ahab and jezzebel than Biden and Harris....clearly Harris will be running the country not sleepy ahab/biden

Either Harris or pelosi would make a perfect jezzebel


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You wait to grow old sword and I wait to create/restore the world you will be king of....funny world.




If you only listen to 30 seconds....listen from 17:00 -17:30




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You wait to grow old sword and I wait to create/restore the world you will be king of....funny world.




If you only listen to 30 seconds....listen from 17:00 -17:30




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God has an incredible sense of humor....the least person you think is messiah Ben Joseph....that is messiah Ben Joseph......lol....look around sword only messiah Ben Joseph will be able to see you are messiah Ben David.....others will humor you but they won’t see who you are...they may agree with you....but they won’t be the ones to tell you who you are....only messiah Ben Joseph can tell David who he is because only he can see messiah Ben David...lol



Hmmmm, you turn 50 and here comes Joseph saying “you know who you are?”.....hmm hmmm...good times...has another revealed who you are or only awed at what they didn’t know?...lol

The least prospect....the guy you feel has no “fire” and the only one who can see who you are......we have a bingo...ding ding ding...lol..but that isn’t for tonight that is for another time in another realm...lol....have a great night


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Moses couldn't be the levitic high priest on earth so here comes Aaron


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David couldn't be the levitic high priest on earth so here comes Zadok



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Zerrubabel couldn't be the levitic high priest on earth so here comes Joshua




King Uzziah couldn't be high preist:

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Jesus couldn't be the levitic high preist on earth...nor would he want to be because his priesthood is a heavenly priesthood which is the melchelzedek priesthood and higher than the earthly levitic priesthood.

heb. 7:14:

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.



If your dominion is on earth the restoration of the previous priesthood(levitic) is going to be less than Jesus' because Jesus' realm will be heaven and the two anointed will reside on earth the lesser realm to bring salvation to the jues and tribulation survivors thru faith in Jesus...faith heb. 11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen......you don't need much faith in Jesus if he is standing right there beside you on earth....therefore Jesus will be residing in heaven during the millennium so the jues can believe by faith with the works of the law for holiness as the shekina glory will once again be dwelling in the temple and animal sacrifice "covers" sin...it doesn't take it away but covers unintentional sin and is a remembrance of the sacrifice Jesus made.......Davidic/Levitic promised to be reinstated then you have to use the same rules or it becomes something other than what was promised to be reinstated and the covenant becomes null....when God promises to reinstate it doesn't mean reinvent....that way both anointed have a postion....david the king and Joseph using the birthright will be the earthly high priest and nobody is equal or higher than Jesus because not even Jesus could be both King and High Priest in a Davidic/Levitic Kingdom while dwelling on earth.



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Deut 17:

Laws Concerning Israel’s Kings
14 “When you come to the land that the Lord your God is giving you, and you possess it and dwell in it and then say, I will set a king over me, like all the nations that are around me,’ 15 you may indeed set a king over you whom the Lord your God will choose. One from among your brothers you shall set as king over you. You may not put a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. 16 Only he must not acquire many horses for himself or cause the people to return to Egypt in order to acquire many horses, since the Lord has said to you, You shall never return that way again.’ 17 And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, neither shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.
18 “And when he sits on the throne of his kingdom, he shall write for himself in a book a copy of this law, approved by the Levitical priests. 19 And it shall be with him, and he shall read in it all the days of his life, that he may learn to fear the Lord his God by keeping all the words of this law and these statutes, and doing them, 20 that his heart may not be lifted up above his brothers, and that he may not turn aside from the commandment, either to the right hand or to the left, so that he may continue long in his kingdom, he and his children, in Israel.

Notice verse 18 shows the king must get approval from the levitical priests

The Levite’s and the high priest will make sure the kingship and priesthood are kept separate during the millennium

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The covenant right now is the age of grace.....the promises to the bride are not the same covenant that will be for the people after the covenant/age of grace is over...learn which covenant/age you will be under it makes a huge difference and what rules and limitations you have to abide to being you will be an earth dweller instead of the higher realm of heaven dweller...lol...you spend the millennium on earth and you are going to be under the davidic/levitic kingdom covenant...you spend the millennium in heaven you will be under the melchelzedek order heavenly realm covenant.
Earth is always less than heaven.

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The final prophet:.......notice none of these seem to be referencing the kingly anointed....these reference the priestly anointed.

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Less than 50 percent:

God’s Servant, Final Prophet

Names

. Elijah to come (Malachi 3:23)
. another and Greater John the Baptist (UB)
. interpreter of the Law (DSC)
. the Priest (DSC)
. interpreter of Knowledge (DSC)
. God’s servant (Isaiah)
. dabela (mountain goat, large horn) 1Enoch

Characteristics, physical

. lentil shaped marks on body (DSC 4Q534 & Merkabah)
. marred appearance (possibly due to the lentil shaped marks above) (Isaiah 52)
. thick thighs (3Enoch, Merkabah texts)
. tiny marks on thighs, different from one another (DSC 4Q534)
. Red hair (DSC 4Q534)

Education

. the 3 books, before which he knows nothing (DSC 4Q534)
. God makes known all the mysteries and revelations of His servants the prophets to him (DSC 4Q171)
. foretells, through the interpretations of the Prophets, all that will happen to His people and His land.(DSC)
. God teaches him knowledge and to understand His message (Isaiah 28:9) . Spirit of God
alights upon him bringing wisdom, insight, valor, devotion, reverence.
. knows the secrets of men (understands their inner workings) (DSC 4Q534)
. knows the secrets of living things (Biologist?, Health Science?) (DSC 4Q534)
. reveals secrets like Most High (DSC 4Q536)
. senses truth by reverence for the Lord (Isaiah 11)
. God’s servant blind, deaf, gives no heed (Isaiah 42)
. taught from his youth by God (Psalm 71)
. mouth like a sharpened blade (Isaiah 49).
. Lord gives a skilled tongue (Isaiah 50:4)
. God rouses His servant’s ear morning by morning (Isaiah 50:4)
. zeal for his tasks) (Psalms 69)
. jeered at, humiliated (Psalms 71)
. at times acts foolishly and blunders (Psalms 69)
. loved ones, friends, stand afar off, aloof (can not understand him) (Psalms 38)
. challenges authority – ‘who dare contend with or be my opponent’ (Isaiah 52)
. Kings (rulers) silenced because of him (reveals to them their negative standing and destiny according to prophecy) (Isaiah 52)
. grows (spiritually) like a tree-crown by God’s favor. (Isaiah 53)
. speaks to God’s people about deep things and future events (DSC 4Q268 fg. l)
. God will hold accountable all those who will not hear his words DSC 4lQ175)
. ? goes to prison (Psalms 142)
. is a speedy scribe (writes quickly ?), who must read and interpret prophecy while ‘on the run’ (Habakkuk)

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Got a title and subject to your new book sword? I won’t promote it because I know how upset you get when someone acknowledges your book ...but I would give it a fair review/interpretation....kinda my future position being you will be the law giver and I will be the interpreter of the law but we will talk about that later... lol


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You can post here as I haven’t blocked you and you are still on my friends list....lol.... me not so much right? #broken brotherhood .....doubt you understand that yet due to blindness til fullness of gentiles

How do you not see the pattern of broken brother hood
?.....look at the two nations they are the example.....you are no better than them ,,,you failed your calling 1978 just like Moses ...just like the jues....you seem to think you can fail your calling with no consequences...when you fail a second anointed is added (Aaron for Moses..the bride for the jues and Joseph for you) and that is the plan because God chooses a second to come forth to fulfill both positions

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There are 3 groups: 1. The bride who will dwell in heaven with Jesus during the millennium. 2. The tribulation saints who will have the testimony of Jesus and have martyrdom by having their head decapitated for their faith and this group will serve in the throne room during the millennium. And the 3rd group is the reunited northern and southern kingdom people who will dwell on the paradise of earth during the millennium

You have your choice right now while the age of grace is still here to be a part of the bride...once the age of grace is over then you will have the chance to be a tribulation saint and have your head cut off for your faith and you will be able to serve in the throne room during the millennium....or if you are fortunate enough to be one of the sealed Israelites who lives through the tribulation then you will have long life during the millennium as they say someone who dies at 100 will seem very young at that time

Notice the goal on earth is to join the northern kingdom with the southern kingdom but the ultimate goal after the 1000 year millennium is to create a new heaven and new earth where the saints in the northern kingdom of heaven reunite with the southern kingdom of earth Israelites and we are all one under the melchelzedek King and High Priest Jesus Christ King of Kings and Lord of Lords




we are not under the levitic priesthood at this time therefore we are not under the law....after the age of grace through Jesus ends then the world will once again be under the law and the levitic priesthood will be reinstated...
For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. (nopes 7:12)

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The problem with most Christians is they keep trying to place Jesus in a davidic kingship and a levitic priesthood which you cannot combine the two offices. But Jesus’ priesthood is not the earthly levitic priesthood. Jesus’ priesthood is the heavenly melchelzedek order priesthood where you can combine the Kingship And the High Priesthood.

As far as the High Priest needing to be married we know when the 2000 year age of grace through faith in Jesus comes to an end that the dead in Christ and those who have accepted Jesus will meet him in the clouds and these people will be the “Bride of Jesus”

The major problem Christians have is they try to place Jesus on earth during the millennium which is a davidic/levitic kingdom which would make it impossible for Jesus to hold both offices of kingship and high priesthood on earth..If Jesus and the bride are in heaven and the tribulation saints are serving in the throne room as revelation tells us then we have a heavenly melchelzedek order Kingship/High Priesthood ruled by Jesus from heaven. The earthly kingdom then can have messiah ben David ruling the kingship and have messiah Ben Joseph ruling as the earthly high priest as he is from the line of Joseph which is the birthright line 1 chronicles 5:2 qualifying him to be the earthly high priest. Messiah Ben David and Messiah Ben Joseph will be ruling over the reunited northern and southern kingdom and the survivors of armeghedon for the duration of the final 1000 years before the new heaven and new earth are created and Jesus rules over both the Christians and the get lost...with David sitting on his right and Joseph on his left as an eternal reminder of the former earth and the former davidic/levitic kingdom

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