COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345

Yes, I’m just thinking that whoever the plasma donors are may not exactly be willing participants.

These two information alone already justify that China has quarantined almost 1 billion people.

If this virus is not stopped AT ANY COST, no human being will survive.

I truly believe that nobody will survive this, we have 3 or 4 more months on this planet.

Daily China Numbers


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2009 new confirmed cases, 219 severe cases, and 142 death cases

1918 new suspected cases


1323 cases were cured and discharged, and 29,788 close contacts were lifted from medical observation



A total of 68,500 confirmed cases

8228 suspected cases

total of 1,665 deaths

158,764 close contacts were still in medical observation

A total of 84 confirmed cases were reported from Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan: 56 cases in Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (1 case discharged, 1 death), 10 cases in Macau Special Administrative Region (3 cases discharged), and 18 cases in Taiwan (2 cases discharged).


 

Global Times
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Seventy new cases of #COVID19 infections were confirmed on the quarantined cruise ship in Japan, bringing the total number of cases to 355: Japanese media.

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For the love of god, get those people off that boat. WTF is wrong with those health department people. Make a fucking decision

I have her name written down and I will check her Facebook off and on because I'm sure she will keep updating. I suspect she may suddenly get sicker. I hope not because she seems like a really healthy woman. Funny how the two men, who would be more suceptable to coming down with something were still okay.

BNO Newsroom
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With now 355 confirmed cases on the cruise ship, it means nearly 10% of those on board has been infected with coronavirus. Some of them are asymptomatic. Others are still being tested.

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WTF! At this point those onboard are being used as guinea pigs. Every last one of them is going to end up infected.

I, for the life of me, can't figure out why they are still on board.

As evil as it seems, that ship is the control module for this damn thing. Rate of transmission, intensity of infection, etc.

I get that it's frightening. Deeply. But we can't know anything from what China has divulged.

OP, I think this thread started out as a news thread.

Can we gather every possible SOLUTION that comes up and put it on the table. That is, keep all options on the table.

If complete containment is impossible, can we at least mitigate the speed of infection? Quarantines, UV Light, Sodium Hypochlorite, etc.

If vaccines are 1 year off, and if vaccines can't address cytokine storms and damaged lung tissue, what antiviral/antiviral cocktails might work? How about ramping up blood plasma collection? How many ECMO's can we build?

If not, I think we're looking at a Georgia guidestone event.

THIS! I told my friend the same thing, it's the only way we will get the Rate of infection and correct numbers.

Hongkongers and residents fleeing Covid-19 outbreak confronted with hard decisions about jobs, children’s schooling

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This for me, personally, is very important. As a teacher, at some point, I am going to have to decide when it’s time to stop going to school. Unfortunately school boards here in Ontario will literally do everything they can to stay open, because every time they officially close, they lose funding. As a parent, I also have to decide when to stop sending my own kids to school.

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Cruise ships are floating cesspools. Think about it.

Even so, it is not getting off the ship, even into Japan.

How are they getting proper treatment on a ship? Lawsuits galore, incoming.

They would have to sue the Japanese government. Good luck with that.

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I'm not sure what you are asking for here. There has been some off and on discussion of different things to try to prevent or treat COVID19. I have no problem with reasonable discussions, but I don't want a bunch of videos and crap. If it starts to derail the news and information, then I will put a stop to it. But there has been discussion previously elderberry, steroids, ect. I just couldn't tell you what page.

I believe the confirmed are getting off, and put into hospital isolation. Some negative "inside cabin" were let off today and put in "government sponsored isolation". So they are getting off.

You can't get any good information in a closed system. Eventually everyone will get sick, and that won't happen in real life. They only thing this might show is that this bug is aerosolized and transmitting through the HVAC system

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[Wuhan pneumonia outbreak] Suspected hospital outbreak of hospital infection Japanese severe epidemic situation: the way of infection is no longer clear

So far, there have been confirmed cases in many places in Japan except for the cruise ship "Princess Diamond". Minister of Health, Labor and Welfare Kato said that the way of infection is no longer clear and the situation is different from before. The Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare refers to the occurrence of domestic infections in at least five areas of Wakayama, Aichi, Chiba, Hokkaido, and Kanagawa prefectures where the route of infection cannot be traced. The Japanese government will hold an expert meeting at the prime minister's residence on Sunday evening to prepare for the expansion of the epidemic in the future, and will consider guidelines for nationals to visit medical institutions.




Containment won't work anymore in Japan. They will have to switch to mitigation. They need to stop this now. Social distancing, school closures, a 2 week work holiday would be ideal, probably not possible.

Marc Lipsitch
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I did actually say the quote that is going around, but the article contained vital context -- we don't know what proportion are symptomatic. Also we have only a rough estimate of what proportion of symptomatic people will have severe outcomes.

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This is a really good twitter thread by lipsitch explaining his "60% of the world" will be infected comment. I'm not putting the whole thing here.

Can you reason that out a bit more?

Isn't any city effectively a closed system?

It's an incubator, yes, but the closest thing we could get to approximate rates of transmission and lethality/severity.

If they all get off after a too short quarantine, we know nothing more than we already know.

It just sucks that this is certainly at least genetically modified at some point and now loose to do whatever it does.

In order to effectively fight things, we have to understand what it is we are fighting. It isn't ACE2 enzymes. That's a cover. There's something behind it that drives it. We don't know what yet.

At least that is what seems apparent.

What do you think, OP? And, if you don't mind, why do you think it?

The Business Source
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The #COVID19 has been reportedly spreading to four generations since a big company gathering in #Wuhan in late Dec, with 29 people across four provinces diagnosed within weeks, and shows no signs of diminution in infectivity after several rounds of human-to-human transmissions.


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A city is hardly a closed system. People coming and going. Movement via mass transportation, Starbucks, hot pot dinners with friends. Once the lockdowns/quarantines started, it closed the system some, but 5 million left Wuhan in the hours up to the lockdown. And even with the lockdowns outside Wuhan, they are letting 1 person out every couple days to buy food. Or you see videos of people lowering and raising buckets to the street to get food delivered.

On the boat, they are basically in their staterooms all day. On a rotating basis, they are allowed on deck for fresh air, but with strict social distancing. This boat is being disinfected continuously, yet people are getting sick. When you have xxx people confined in a tight place, being served meals and such by crew members who have little to no idea how to use PPE, everyone is going to get infected. Hell, a thousand doctors and nurses got infected, and they are professionals, and know how important proper precautions are. They deal with the disease every day and KNOW that a mistake could be fatal...and yet we have over 1000 infected. How can anyone expect a 20 year old room steward to get it right every time.

There is no way any accurate information can be gleaned from keeping these people on that boat. As someone said earlier, it's just a big petri dish.

I kind of rambled on a bit, does that make sense?

1) Given enough time, everyone on CV19 cruise ships will be getting infected twice it looks like.

2) Planet Earth is a big cruise ship through space. WHO is your captain.

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Estimating case fatality ratio of COVID-19 from observed cases outside China

Updated report: 15 February 2020


COVID-19 has spread rapidly in China with a basic reproduction number of 2.2 (90% high density interval: 1.4-3.8) (1) and a doubling time of around one week (2) during the early phase of the epidemic.

Wot apened 2 othzer th Red?? 3000+ ??????

Honestly, it's probably because it's the biggest infection cluster to date. No, it is not ethical (IMO), but when did scientists ever let conscience get in the way of an experiment?

We know China has not been up front, there are no confirmable numbers from them. I figure that ship and the passengers are the most reliable 'study' they have of this virus.

I assume there are cameras all over the ship. They presumably have video record of every contact, every infection, and all the data that entails.

So, agreed with the AC. Guinea pigs indeed. God help them all.

Aye.

Our early assessment of COVID-19 transmission suggest that increases of temperature and humidity may not lead to declines in infections without the implementation of extensive public health interventions.
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Link to preprint given here:
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Follow up comment:
"This is strongly suggestive that this #coronavirus may continue to transfer in the warm weather, perhaps because of it’s novelty. People may have little to no cross immunity."
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