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Since they cannot and will not see it,

they will again declare you wrong,

because they can't be.


Perhaps they judge themselves unworthy?


hmm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85115688

I know and not sure, maybe they do judge themselves unworthy or maybe some feel they aren’t ready and lash out at the thought that Jesus could come at any second and deep down some feel they aren’t ready, I’m not sure.

The only reason I post these things is out of love for others as a warning, that’s it. I don’t want anyone going in the Tribulation, it hurts my heart to even think about it.
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Why do you believe Jesus will come at anytime?

1 Thess 5:1-5 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness
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I have been a christian for 40 years. I used to say that only God knows date/time of the Rapture. I don’t care about arguing of timelines - if someone is a believer than bless you.

A few years ago my spirit started to stir. I started dumping the trash in my life. All the fakers are now gone.

A few months ago i started to really wonder about Rapture. I dug. Dug deep. Still digging. No one knows date/time but we can know the season. Get ready as i think the season is here.

Many christians in my life have started to reappear. It is like we are searching each other out. A gathering. Some of these contacts are nothing sort of amazing at how we found each other. And we all didn’t take the jab.

We can feel it. In our souls. It defies logic. If God wanted to make the timeline obvious than He would of done so. Be ready. Get your affairs in order. Better safe than sorry.
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Since they cannot and will not see it,

they will again declare you wrong,

because they can't be.


Perhaps they judge themselves unworthy?


hmm
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85115688

I know and not sure, maybe they do judge themselves unworthy or maybe some feel they aren’t ready and lash out at the thought that Jesus could come at any second and deep down some feel they aren’t ready, I’m not sure.

The only reason I post these things is out of love for others as a warning, that’s it. I don’t want anyone going in the Tribulation, it hurts my heart to even think about it.
 Quoting: Seek^


Why do you believe Jesus will come at anytime?

1 Thess 5:1-5 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness
 Quoting: Achduke7

The last time I will respond to you, I won’t again no matter how terribly you misinterpret scripture moving forward.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

The answers I’ve stated over a dozen times at least in this thread but the scripture you quoted above has a couple of answers for you.

Paul says regarding the season (referring to the season of the Rapture because He emphasizes it will be as a thief in the night), he shouldn’t have to write to us. What does this mean? It means that writing to us in these last days isn’t necessary regarding the times we’re in because those in Christ will know the season by the Holy Spirit and that we “are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief”.

Those in Christ know what is upon us and the Rapture will not be a surprise because we know we are in the season.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

Because Jesus said,

Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Matthew 24:34


This was the fig tree prophecy regarding the last generation and Jesus was referring to Israel who became a nation May 14th, 1948. The Shmita or sabbatical year after Israel became a nation was 1952. A biblical generation is 70-80 years making this last generation the final generation before Jesus’ return and the last generation to see all things written fulfilled before He returns including the Rapture which must take place before the prophecies of the 7-year Tribulation can be fulfilled.

Our days may come to seventy years,
or eighty, if our strength endures;
yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Psalm 90:10

God foreshadowed this with the prophet Simeon in his old age who was visited by the Holy Spirit and was told he would not pass away until he would see the Messiah and he held Jesus when Jesus was just 40 days old as an infant. That event was a foreshadowing of the present day where this last generation will not pass away until they see Jesus Christ.



God says He will pour out His spirit on all flesh as He is doing as this is more evident today than any time in history. The world stage it set and they are trying to draw God’s hand through wickedness and unimaginable evil to Rapture the bride. They want the bride gone so they will have full control as they know their time is short. They want us gone to usher in their god who is Satan albeit for a short time as these ‘elite’ are terribly deceived and mistaken as to their eternal futures if they do not repent. These ‘elite’ being the most deceived isn’t surprising knowing who they follow and worship.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Acts 2:17

Jesus is coming for His bride and it can and will happen at any moment and like the flood in Noah’s day or the Fire and brimstone that fell on Sodom & Gomorrah and the surrounding cities in Lot’s day, the Rapture will catch billions completely off guard and this event will usher in the worst 7 years the world has ever seen.
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For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ

1Thessalonians 5:9


For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.


Isaiah 28:10


Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


Revelation 3:10


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.


Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.


Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.


Psalms 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites
. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Matthew 28:44-51


But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.


Luke 21:34-36


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25


Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


1Corinthians 15:50-53


It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know,
God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—
how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


2Corinthians 12:1-4


But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.


1Thessalonians 4:13-18


And may the Lord make you increase and abound in love to one another and to all, just as we do to you,
so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.


1Thessalonians 3:12,13

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I have been a christian for 40 years. I used to say that only God knows date/time of the Rapture. I don’t care about arguing of timelines - if someone is a believer than bless you.

A few years ago my spirit started to stir. I started dumping the trash in my life. All the fakers are now gone.

A few months ago i started to really wonder about Rapture. I dug. Dug deep. Still digging. No one knows date/time but we can know the season. Get ready as i think the season is here.

Many christians in my life have started to reappear. It is like we are searching each other out. A gathering. Some of these contacts are nothing sort of amazing at how we found each other. And we all didn’t take the jab.

We can feel it. In our souls. It defies logic. If God wanted to make the timeline obvious than He would of done so. Be ready. Get your affairs in order. Better safe than sorry.
 Quoting: Maiya

I feel it too, it’s a knowing in my heart. We all need to separate from all sin through prayer and supplication and stay in prayer as much as humanly possible as prayer strengthens your spirit and is your greatest weapon against the flesh and Satan’s greatest tool is the lust of the flesh.

Time is so short, I’m so excited as all should be, it’s still not too late to give your life to Christ and escape. Forgive all, pray for those who tear you down, just give it all to God and realize what’s just ahead is going to be more incredible than what your mind can possibly conceive or even contemplate or dream of, you will not be able to contain your joy. God will literally sweep you off your feet in amazement of what’s in store for those who love Him. The finish line is just ahead, don’t give up and if you’re not in the race yet, it’s never too late to join, your past sins will be immediately forgiven and forgotten and you will be taken if you truly give your heart to Jesus.

God bless those who read this.
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I have been a christian for 40 years. I used to say that only God knows date/time of the Rapture. I don’t care about arguing of timelines - if someone is a believer than bless you.

A few years ago my spirit started to stir. I started dumping the trash in my life. All the fakers are now gone.

A few months ago i started to really wonder about Rapture. I dug. Dug deep. Still digging. No one knows date/time but we can know the season. Get ready as i think the season is here.

Many christians in my life have started to reappear. It is like we are searching each other out. A gathering. Some of these contacts are nothing sort of amazing at how we found each other. And we all didn’t take the jab.

We can feel it. In our souls. It defies logic. If God wanted to make the timeline obvious than He would of done so. Be ready. Get your affairs in order. Better safe than sorry.
 Quoting: Maiya

I feel it too, it’s a knowing in my heart. We all need to separate from all sin through prayer and supplication and stay in prayer as much as humanly possible as prayer strengthens your spirit and is your greatest weapon against the flesh and Satan’s greatest tool is the lust of the flesh.

Time is so short, I’m so excited as all should be, it’s still not too late to give your life to Christ and escape. Forgive all, pray for those who tear you down, just give it all to God and realize what’s just ahead is going to be more incredible than what your mind can possibly conceive or even contemplate or dream of, you will not be able to contain your joy. God will literally sweep you off your feet in amazement of what’s in store for those who love Him. The finish line is just ahead, don’t give up and if you’re not in the race yet, it’s never too late to join, your past sins will be immediately forgiven and forgotten and you will be taken if you truly give your heart to Jesus.

God bless those who read this.
 Quoting: Seek^


Yes! We can feel it in our Spirit!!

The fig tree generation is passing fast. The oldest are now in their mid 70’s.

I am 59. And I thought I would die of a heart attack or stroke!

Come Lord Jesus. I have felt that I am ready and not of this World for quite some time.
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I only submit that the 144K are the bride of Christ just as the pre-tribbers assume that they are the bride. My point is that Christ would not leave his Bride. Who is that go everywhere with Christ? The 144K go everywhere with him and are the first to show up with Christ when he steps back down on earth.

If you cannot see how slain people are raptured/harpazoed then you need to re-read the Bible. They are caught up after they are slain in the ministry of Christ. They are DEAD in Christ and go before any living in Christ. This happens after the tribulation. They are slain in the tribulation and are resurrected before God's wrath. It is that simple, Nothing fancy. No bending of scripture. They die in the tribulation and then are resurrected with everyone.
 Quoting: Achduke7

The 144k being the raptured bride of Christ isn’t scriptural as they are slain therefore a rescue is impossible and the fact upon death in the Tribulation, they are told to “wait a little longer” and also where they reside under the altar in death until all are slain. If just the 144k were the bride of Christ as you posit and they all die, there would be no one alive of the bride when Christ comes to rescue His bride therefore there would be no rescue. My first post in this thread also proves a post-tribulation theory is impossible scripturally.

Again, good luck.
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Where is this rescue of the bride in the Bible and why is it needed if they are all resurrected and then caught up in the clouds with the rest of the believers dead and then alive?

Also I believe the wait a little longer are those in the fifth seal. The Resurrection and then wrath are after the 6th seal.
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the 144k who are appointed to die.

which is the 7-year Tribulation. Those alive and raptured will be kept from the hour of temptation (the 7-year Tribulation).
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I can find nowhere in scripture that says the 144,000 are 'appointed to die'.

They are sealed servants of God; the Father's Name is written in their foreheads.

Why they are a concern to you is beyond me.
They are from the 12 tribes .. if you are not a 12 triber, then the 144,000 do not concern you. Period. MYOB.


Likewise, there is no '7 year Tribulation'.
There is Daniel's 70th Week, which lasts for 7 years ...

Is that what you are calling the '7 year Tribulation'?
If so, then you have mislabeled Daniel's 70th Week.
Can you see/understand this?

The first half of Daniel's 70th Week was fulfilled in the Life and earthly ministry of Jesus of Nazareth.(3.5 years)

Likewise, the second half of Daniel's 70th Week is mentioned here:

"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."

42 months is 3.5 years.
Amazing, isn't it?

Jesus spoke of the 'Great Tribulation' time, but never spoke of a period of time known as the 'Tribulation'.
[Remember, use exegesis .. not isogesis]

Read the text and take it at face value, instead of trying to pour your meaning, suppositions, assumptions, notions, hopes, fears, etc. INTO the text.

It will amaze you what you will see once you remove the pre-trib glasses that constrict your biblical view.

A pre-tribulation rapture was not a belief of the early church fathers, but became popular in the nineteenth century through the Plymouth Brethren.
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Sakkot is a practice for the second Exodus.



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God will have His people gathered together for that event when Yeshua returns at the last trump.

Sukkot 2023 will begin in the evening of
Friday, September 29
and ends in the evening of
Friday, October 6

The Sukkot camps will be protected by the 144,000.



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Good videos.
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Since everyone like videos.


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The first time you posted the Broccoli Hermit video, I watched it .. but not all the way through.
He creeped me out a bit ... and I actually like broccoli!

But I summoned Jesus as my strength and this time I took the time to write down what the results of the Hermit's 'thorough examination' were and here is my critique:

Claim #1 - The Hermit claims Marv Rosenthal invented the PreWrath view after 'losing his bible'; later finding scraps of other bibles and inventing this 'novel' idea of a PreWrath Rapture. Additionally, Mr. Rosenthal had to resign his position at 'Israel My Glory' ministries, claims the Hermit.

Fact #1 - Mr. Rosenthal did not 'invent' the PreWrath view, nor is it 'novel' or new. I have read Mr. Rosenthal's book; it is a synthesis of the strong points of Pre, Mid and Post Tribulation Rapture positions. If anything, Mr. Rosenthal gave the synthesized view a name .. 'PreWrath'.
Back in the day, I also received his ministries' magazine 'Israel My Glory'.
Mr. Rosenthal resigned from that ministry due to the fact that the PreTrib Rapture was part of their doctrinal belief statement and he could no longer support that errant view.

Conclusion #1 - The Broccoli Hermit is being disingenuous and working as a false witness against both Marv Rosenthal and the synthesized endtimes view, which is not 'novel'/new, but simply has a new name: PreWrath Rapture.



Claim #2 - The Hermit claims that PreWrath should be called MidWrath because there are more than one Wrath of God. ie - 'Wrath(s)' of God.
He attempts to equate the 'Last Trump' with the last mini blast/toot from the shofar.
He claims 'Last Trump' has nothing to do with a Trumpet.

Conclusion #2 - Since the Broccoli Hermit does not use the Wrath of God as a time/event marker in Revelation, his entire Revelation timeline is linear. (See his painting .. all linear)
For example - He does not see Rev 6:17 and Rev 11:18 as the same Wrath of God event. Therefore he HAS to claim more than one Wrath of God.
BTW - There is only ONE Wrath of God / Day of the Lord. One.
It is NOT EVER called the Tribulation in the scriptures.



Claim #3 - Hermie (Michael Pearl) makes the claim of a 'Secret Rapture' which takes place in the twinkling of an eye. Since he claims that it takes Jesus 45 days for the Second Coming to happen, the Rapture and the Second Coming cannot be the same event.

Conclusion #3 - The Second Coming of Christ ALL men will see. The scriptures know nothing of a 'secret rapture'. At Christ's coming, we will be immediately and instantly translated ... this is the twinkling of the eye. The Lord Jesus Christ will then remain for all to see .. hence the term 'parousia'.



Claim #4 - The Hermit claims that Revelation 13 happens AFTER the 7th Trumpet sounds.

Conclusion #4 - This is what happens when one does not understand that the book of Revelation does not unfold linearly. Sections of Revelation give different views of the same events.


The Broccoli Hermit spends most of the rest of the video simply reading scripture, as if reading it is enough to validate his endtime view.

A couple of comments from the Broccoli Hermit are strange:

'This is a different God than the modern God'
[2 Gods??]

'I can't find the False Prophet'
[On a painting that he supposedly painted and took a long time to complete .. Dementia??]

There are other standard PreTrib comments such as 'No Man Knows the Day or Hour' used in an attempt to buttress his position, which are weak indeed and tied to calendrical differences across cultures.


That's my take on the Broccoli Hermit's errant endtime theology.

I'll stick with the broccoli grown in my own garden.
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The first time you posted the Broccoli Hermit video, I watched it .. but not all the way through.
He creeped me out a bit ... and I actually like broccoli!

But I summoned Jesus as my strength and this time I took the time to write down what the results of the Hermit's 'thorough examination' were and here is my critique:

Claim #1 - The Hermit claims Marv Rosenthal invented the PreWrath view after 'losing his bible'; later finding scraps of other bibles and inventing this 'novel' idea of a PreWrath Rapture. Additionally, Mr. Rosenthal had to resign his position at 'Israel My Glory' ministries, claims the Hermit.

Fact #1 - Mr. Rosenthal did not 'invent' the PreWrath view, nor is it 'novel' or new. I have read Mr. Rosenthal's book; it is a synthesis of the strong points of Pre, Mid and Post Tribulation Rapture positions. If anything, Mr. Rosenthal gave the synthesized view a name .. 'PreWrath'.
Back in the day, I also received his ministries' magazine 'Israel My Glory'.
Mr. Rosenthal resigned from that ministry due to the fact that the PreTrib Rapture was part of their doctrinal belief statement and he could no longer support that errant view.

Conclusion #1 - The Broccoli Hermit is being disingenuous and working as a false witness against both Marv Rosenthal and the synthesized endtimes view, which is not 'novel'/new, but simply has a new name: PreWrath Rapture.



Claim #2 - The Hermit claims that PreWrath should be called MidWrath because there are more than one Wrath of God. ie - 'Wrath(s)' of God.
He attempts to equate the 'Last Trump' with the last mini blast/toot from the shofar.
He claims 'Last Trump' has nothing to do with a Trumpet.

Conclusion #2 - Since the Broccoli Hermit does not use the Wrath of God as a time/event marker in Revelation, his entire Revelation timeline is linear. (See his painting .. all linear)
For example - He does not see Rev 6:17 and Rev 11:18 as the same Wrath of God event. Therefore he HAS to claim more than one Wrath of God.
BTW - There is only ONE Wrath of God / Day of the Lord. One.
It is NOT EVER called the Tribulation in the scriptures.



Claim #3 - Hermie (Michael Pearl) makes the claim of a 'Secret Rapture' which takes place in the twinkling of an eye. Since he claims that it takes Jesus 45 days for the Second Coming to happen, the Rapture and the Second Coming cannot be the same event.

Conclusion #3 - The Second Coming of Christ ALL men will see. The scriptures know nothing of a 'secret rapture'. At Christ's coming, we will be immediately and instantly translated ... this is the twinkling of the eye. The Lord Jesus Christ will then remain for all to see .. hence the term 'parousia'.



Claim #4 - The Hermit claims that Revelation 13 happens AFTER the 7th Trumpet sounds.

Conclusion #4 - This is what happens when one does not understand that the book of Revelation does not unfold linearly. Sections of Revelation give different views of the same events.


The Broccoli Hermit spends most of the rest of the video simply reading scripture, as if reading it is enough to validate his endtime view.

A couple of comments from the Broccoli Hermit are strange:

'This is a different God than the modern God'
[2 Gods??]

'I can't find the False Prophet'
[On a painting that he supposedly painted and took a long time to complete .. Dementia??]

There are other standard PreTrib comments such as 'No Man Knows the Day or Hour' used in an attempt to buttress his position, which are weak indeed and tied to calendrical differences across cultures.


That's my take on the Broccoli Hermit's errant endtime theology.

I'll stick with the broccoli grown in my own garden.
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One more item from the Broccoli Wizard:

He claims that Matthew 24:31 references 'Tribulation Saints'


"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matt 24:31


I see 'elect' in there, not 'tribulation saints'.

This is why one should use exegesis to study the Bible and NOT isogesis.

He then, because of this error, goes on to claim that there will be 2 Raptures.

Gee Whiz, with teachers like that, I can see why you pre-tribbers are so confused!
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One more item from the Broccoli Wizard:

He claims that Matthew 24:31 references 'Tribulation Saints'


"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matt 24:31


I see 'elect' in there, not 'tribulation saints'.

This is why one should use exegesis to study the Bible and NOT isogesis.

He then, because of this error, goes on to claim that there will be 2 Raptures.

Gee Whiz, with teachers like that, I can see why you pre-tribbers are so confused!
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Who populates the earth during the millennium?

If there is no "pre-tribulation" rapture, how do you explain where all the nations of people in natural bodies come from while Jesus rules for a 1000 years?


The rapture has to be prior to tribulation.

If the rapture/resurrection was post tribulation then there would be nobody left to populate the millennium in natural bodies.

Zechariah 14:16 & Revelation 20:8 are examples of the nations of people with natural bodies in the millennium.

Satan is also let loose again for awhile to deceive them one last time.

We know that no unbelievers will enter the millennium.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity.

The tares are gathered first, then the wheat.

Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Since no unbeliever will enter the millennium, those with natural bodies can only be the tribulation saints saved during and come out of tribulation.

A post tribulation rapture would leave nobody left with natural bodies to enter the millennium.

That means there really is only one solution, the rapture had to have taken place already before the tribulation started to allow for tribulation saints to enter the millennium in natural bodies.
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One more item from the Broccoli Wizard:

He claims that Matthew 24:31 references 'Tribulation Saints'


"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matt 24:31


I see 'elect' in there, not 'tribulation saints'.

This is why one should use exegesis to study the Bible and NOT isogesis.

He then, because of this error, goes on to claim that there will be 2 Raptures.

Gee Whiz, with teachers like that, I can see why you pre-tribbers are so confused!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432



Who populates the earth during the millennium?

If there is no "pre-tribulation" rapture, how do you explain where all the nations of people in natural bodies come from while Jesus rules for a 1000 years?


The rapture has to be prior to tribulation.

If the rapture/resurrection was post tribulation then there would be nobody left to populate the millennium in natural bodies.

Zechariah 14:16 & Revelation 20:8 are examples of the nations of people with natural bodies in the millennium.

Satan is also let loose again for awhile to deceive them one last time.

We know that no unbelievers will enter the millennium.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity.

The tares are gathered first, then the wheat.

Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Since no unbeliever will enter the millennium, those with natural bodies can only be the tribulation saints saved during and come out of tribulation.

A post tribulation rapture would leave nobody left with natural bodies to enter the millennium.

That means there really is only one solution, the rapture had to have taken place already before the tribulation started to allow for tribulation saints to enter the millennium in natural bodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019



Survivors.

"Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." Isaiah 24:6

Few. Not none. Few.


Riddle me this - If no natural men at all enter the millennium, how is there a rebellion at the end of the 1,000 years?
Only natural men with a sin nature could be used of satan in that manner.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity.

Out of His Kingdom ...

His Kingdom will grow, like the mustard seed or the leaven.
It does not comprise the entire earth immediately.

"Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof."

"Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened."


Show me a single verse that states no unbeliever will enter the millennium ... ????
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One more item from the Broccoli Wizard:

He claims that Matthew 24:31 references 'Tribulation Saints'


"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matt 24:31


I see 'elect' in there, not 'tribulation saints'.

This is why one should use exegesis to study the Bible and NOT isogesis.

He then, because of this error, goes on to claim that there will be 2 Raptures.

Gee Whiz, with teachers like that, I can see why you pre-tribbers are so confused!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432



Who populates the earth during the millennium?

If there is no "pre-tribulation" rapture, how do you explain where all the nations of people in natural bodies come from while Jesus rules for a 1000 years?


The rapture has to be prior to tribulation.

If the rapture/resurrection was post tribulation then there would be nobody left to populate the millennium in natural bodies.

Zechariah 14:16 & Revelation 20:8 are examples of the nations of people with natural bodies in the millennium.

Satan is also let loose again for awhile to deceive them one last time.

We know that no unbelievers will enter the millennium.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity.

The tares are gathered first, then the wheat.

Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Since no unbeliever will enter the millennium, those with natural bodies can only be the tribulation saints saved during and come out of tribulation.

A post tribulation rapture would leave nobody left with natural bodies to enter the millennium.

That means there really is only one solution, the rapture had to have taken place already before the tribulation started to allow for tribulation saints to enter the millennium in natural bodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019



Survivors.

"Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left." Isaiah 24:6

Few. Not none. Few.


Riddle me this - If no natural men at all enter the millennium, how is there a rebellion at the end of the 1,000 years?
Only natural men with a sin nature could be used of satan in that manner.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity.

Out of His Kingdom ...

His Kingdom will grow, like the mustard seed or the leaven.
It does not comprise the entire earth immediately.

"Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof."

"Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened."


Show me a single verse that states no unbeliever will enter the millennium ... ????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432



If only believers enter the millennium, why the need for rebuke from the Lord?

"And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off" Micah 4:3

"Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD." Zec 8:22

"Therefore shall the strong people glorify thee, the city of the terrible nations shall fear thee." Isaiah 25:3

"In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians." Isaiah 19:23

"And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein." Isaiah 35:8

[There apparently ARE unclean in the millennium]
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One more item from the Broccoli Wizard:

He claims that Matthew 24:31 references 'Tribulation Saints'


"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matt 24:31


I see 'elect' in there, not 'tribulation saints'.

This is why one should use exegesis to study the Bible and NOT isogesis.

He then, because of this error, goes on to claim that there will be 2 Raptures.

Gee Whiz, with teachers like that, I can see why you pre-tribbers are so confused!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432



Who populates the earth during the millennium?

If there is no "pre-tribulation" rapture, how do you explain where all the nations of people in natural bodies come from while Jesus rules for a 1000 years?


The rapture has to be prior to tribulation.

If the rapture/resurrection was post tribulation then there would be nobody left to populate the millennium in natural bodies.

Zechariah 14:16 & Revelation 20:8 are examples of the nations of people with natural bodies in the millennium.

Satan is also let loose again for awhile to deceive them one last time.

We know that no unbelievers will enter the millennium.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity.

The tares are gathered first, then the wheat.

Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Since no unbeliever will enter the millennium, those with natural bodies can only be the tribulation saints saved during and come out of tribulation.

A post tribulation rapture would leave nobody left with natural bodies to enter the millennium.

That means there really is only one solution, the rapture had to have taken place already before the tribulation started to allow for tribulation saints to enter the millennium in natural bodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019



Question -

Do you also believe there will be 2 or more Raptures AND 2 Wraths of God ... like the Broccoli Hermit?
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One more item from the Broccoli Wizard:

He claims that Matthew 24:31 references 'Tribulation Saints'


"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matt 24:31


I see 'elect' in there, not 'tribulation saints'.

This is why one should use exegesis to study the Bible and NOT isogesis.

He then, because of this error, goes on to claim that there will be 2 Raptures.

Gee Whiz, with teachers like that, I can see why you pre-tribbers are so confused!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432



Who populates the earth during the millennium?

If there is no "pre-tribulation" rapture, how do you explain where all the nations of people in natural bodies come from while Jesus rules for a 1000 years?


The rapture has to be prior to tribulation.

If the rapture/resurrection was post tribulation then there would be nobody left to populate the millennium in natural bodies.

Zechariah 14:16 & Revelation 20:8 are examples of the nations of people with natural bodies in the millennium.

Satan is also let loose again for awhile to deceive them one last time.

We know that no unbelievers will enter the millennium.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity.

The tares are gathered first, then the wheat.

Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Since no unbeliever will enter the millennium, those with natural bodies can only be the tribulation saints saved during and come out of tribulation.

A post tribulation rapture would leave nobody left with natural bodies to enter the millennium.

That means there really is only one solution, the rapture had to have taken place already before the tribulation started to allow for tribulation saints to enter the millennium in natural bodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


You already posted the solution and it is NOT a pre-tribulation rapture.


Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

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I have been a christian for 40 years. I used to say that only God knows date/time of the Rapture. I don’t care about arguing of timelines - if someone is a believer than bless you.

A few years ago my spirit started to stir. I started dumping the trash in my life. All the fakers are now gone.

A few months ago i started to really wonder about Rapture. I dug. Dug deep. Still digging. No one knows date/time but we can know the season. Get ready as i think the season is here.

Many christians in my life have started to reappear. It is like we are searching each other out. A gathering. Some of these contacts are nothing sort of amazing at how we found each other. And we all didn’t take the jab.

We can feel it. In our souls. It defies logic. If God wanted to make the timeline obvious than He would of done so. Be ready. Get your affairs in order. Better safe than sorry.
 Quoting: Maiya

I feel it too, it’s a knowing in my heart. We all need to separate from all sin through prayer and supplication and stay in prayer as much as humanly possible as prayer strengthens your spirit and is your greatest weapon against the flesh and Satan’s greatest tool is the lust of the flesh.

Time is so short, I’m so excited as all should be, it’s still not too late to give your life to Christ and escape. Forgive all, pray for those who tear you down, just give it all to God and realize what’s just ahead is going to be more incredible than what your mind can possibly conceive or even contemplate or dream of, you will not be able to contain your joy. God will literally sweep you off your feet in amazement of what’s in store for those who love Him. The finish line is just ahead, don’t give up and if you’re not in the race yet, it’s never too late to join, your past sins will be immediately forgiven and forgotten and you will be taken if you truly give your heart to Jesus.

God bless those who read this.
 Quoting: Seek^


Yes! We can feel it in our Spirit!!

The fig tree generation is passing fast. The oldest are now in their mid 70’s.

I am 59. And I thought I would die of a heart attack or stroke!

Come Lord Jesus. I have felt that I am ready and not of this World for quite some time.
 Quoting: Maiya

Looking forward to seeing you up there.

hf
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One more item from the Broccoli Wizard:

He claims that Matthew 24:31 references 'Tribulation Saints'


"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matt 24:31


I see 'elect' in there, not 'tribulation saints'.

This is why one should use exegesis to study the Bible and NOT isogesis.

He then, because of this error, goes on to claim that there will be 2 Raptures.

Gee Whiz, with teachers like that, I can see why you pre-tribbers are so confused!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22255432



Who populates the earth during the millennium?

If there is no "pre-tribulation" rapture, how do you explain where all the nations of people in natural bodies come from while Jesus rules for a 1000 years?


The rapture has to be prior to tribulation.

If the rapture/resurrection was post tribulation then there would be nobody left to populate the millennium in natural bodies.

Zechariah 14:16 & Revelation 20:8 are examples of the nations of people with natural bodies in the millennium.

Satan is also let loose again for awhile to deceive them one last time.

We know that no unbelievers will enter the millennium.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity.

The tares are gathered first, then the wheat.

Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Since no unbeliever will enter the millennium, those with natural bodies can only be the tribulation saints saved during and come out of tribulation.

A post tribulation rapture would leave nobody left with natural bodies to enter the millennium.

That means there really is only one solution, the rapture had to have taken place already before the tribulation started to allow for tribulation saints to enter the millennium in natural bodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


You already posted the solution and it is NOT a pre-tribulation rapture.


Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Those ARE "believers", we know that because they WORSHIP.

These individuals did not participate in the attack themselves but are leftovers from the nations that came against Jerusalem.

They are part of the tribulation saints.
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You already posted the solution and it is NOT a pre-tribulation rapture.


Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Those ARE "believers", we know that because they WORSHIP.

These individuals did not participate in the attack themselves but are leftovers from the nations that came against Jerusalem.

They are part of the tribulation saints.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


Those that participate in the attack are destroyed by the LORD.

Zechariah 14:12
And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

I'll repeat, NO UNBELIEVER will enter the millennium. A post tribulation rapture/resurrection is not possible as it will leave nobody in natural bodies.
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You already posted the solution and it is NOT a pre-tribulation rapture.


Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Those ARE "believers", we know that because they WORSHIP.

These individuals did not participate in the attack themselves but are leftovers from the nations that came against Jerusalem.

They are part of the tribulation saints.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019


I'll repeat, NO UNBELIEVER will enter the millennium.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80570019



You can repeat it until doomsday .. does not mean it is true.

As a matter of fact, we have shown you where it is NOT true.

Yet you offer no proof of it's truth,
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Since they cannot and will not see it,

they will again declare you wrong,

because they can't be.


Perhaps they judge themselves unworthy?


hmm
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I know and not sure, maybe they do judge themselves unworthy or maybe some feel they aren’t ready and lash out at the thought that Jesus could come at any second and deep down some feel they aren’t ready, I’m not sure.

The only reason I post these things is out of love for others as a warning, that’s it. I don’t want anyone going in the Tribulation, it hurts my heart to even think about it.
 Quoting: Seek^


Why do you believe Jesus will come at anytime?

1 Thess 5:1-5 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness
 Quoting: Achduke7

The last time I will respond to you, I won’t again no matter how terribly you misinterpret scripture moving forward.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

The answers I’ve stated over a dozen times at least in this thread but the scripture you quoted above has a couple of answers for you.

Paul says regarding the season (referring to the season of the Rapture because He emphasizes it will be as a thief in the night), he shouldn’t have to write to us. What does this mean? It means that writing to us in these last days isn’t necessary regarding the times we’re in because those in Christ will know the season by the Holy Spirit and that we “are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief”.

Those in Christ know what is upon us and the Rapture will not be a surprise because we know we are in the season.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

Because Jesus said,

Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Matthew 24:34


This was the fig tree prophecy regarding the last generation and Jesus was referring to Israel who became a nation May 14th, 1948. The Shmita or sabbatical year after Israel became a nation was 1952. A biblical generation is 70-80 years making this last generation the final generation before Jesus’ return and the last generation to see all things written fulfilled before He returns including the Rapture which must take place before the prophecies of the 7-year Tribulation can be fulfilled.

Our days may come to seventy years,
or eighty, if our strength endures;
yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Psalm 90:10

God foreshadowed this with the prophet Simeon in his old age who was visited by the Holy Spirit and was told he would not pass away until he would see the Messiah and he held Jesus when Jesus was just 40 days old as an infant. That event was a foreshadowing of the present day where this last generation will not pass away until they see Jesus Christ.



God says He will pour out His spirit on all flesh as He is doing as this is more evident today than any time in history. The world stage it set and they are trying to draw God’s hand through wickedness and unimaginable evil to Rapture the bride. They want the bride gone so they will have full control as they know their time is short. They want us gone to usher in their god who is Satan albeit for a short time as these ‘elite’ are terribly deceived and mistaken as to their eternal futures if they do not repent. These ‘elite’ being the most deceived isn’t surprising knowing who they follow and worship.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Acts 2:17

Jesus is coming for His bride and it can and will happen at any moment and like the flood in Noah’s day or the Fire and brimstone that fell on Sodom & Gomorrah and the surrounding cities in Lot’s day, the Rapture will catch billions completely off guard and this event will usher in the worst 7 years the world has ever seen.
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Seek, you are 100% correct. Some of these posters here are only seeking to sew confusion into what is plain for all to see IF they have eye's to see and ears to hear.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned and this is why some do not comprehend. They will literally argue black is white,

It won't be long now! God Bless till we meet at His feet.
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You already posted the solution and it is NOT a pre-tribulation rapture.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
 Quoting: Achduke7


watergirls You seriously expect people to take that reply seriously, that future event has nothing to do with the Rapture. Don't you ever get fed up with posting lies and misquoting scripture?

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I know and not sure, maybe they do judge themselves unworthy or maybe some feel they aren’t ready and lash out at the thought that Jesus could come at any second and deep down some feel they aren’t ready, I’m not sure.

The only reason I post these things is out of love for others as a warning, that’s it. I don’t want anyone going in the Tribulation, it hurts my heart to even think about it.
 Quoting: Seek^


Why do you believe Jesus will come at anytime?

1 Thess 5:1-5 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness
 Quoting: Achduke7

The last time I will respond to you, I won’t again no matter how terribly you misinterpret scripture moving forward.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

The answers I’ve stated over a dozen times at least in this thread but the scripture you quoted above has a couple of answers for you.

Paul says regarding the season (referring to the season of the Rapture because He emphasizes it will be as a thief in the night), he shouldn’t have to write to us. What does this mean? It means that writing to us in these last days isn’t necessary regarding the times we’re in because those in Christ will know the season by the Holy Spirit and that we “are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief”.

Those in Christ know what is upon us and the Rapture will not be a surprise because we know we are in the season.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

Because Jesus said,

Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Matthew 24:34


This was the fig tree prophecy regarding the last generation and Jesus was referring to Israel who became a nation May 14th, 1948. The Shmita or sabbatical year after Israel became a nation was 1952. A biblical generation is 70-80 years making this last generation the final generation before Jesus’ return and the last generation to see all things written fulfilled before He returns including the Rapture which must take place before the prophecies of the 7-year Tribulation can be fulfilled.

Our days may come to seventy years,
or eighty, if our strength endures;
yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Psalm 90:10

God foreshadowed this with the prophet Simeon in his old age who was visited by the Holy Spirit and was told he would not pass away until he would see the Messiah and he held Jesus when Jesus was just 40 days old as an infant. That event was a foreshadowing of the present day where this last generation will not pass away until they see Jesus Christ.



God says He will pour out His spirit on all flesh as He is doing as this is more evident today than any time in history. The world stage it set and they are trying to draw God’s hand through wickedness and unimaginable evil to Rapture the bride. They want the bride gone so they will have full control as they know their time is short. They want us gone to usher in their god who is Satan albeit for a short time as these ‘elite’ are terribly deceived and mistaken as to their eternal futures if they do not repent. These ‘elite’ being the most deceived isn’t surprising knowing who they follow and worship.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Acts 2:17

Jesus is coming for His bride and it can and will happen at any moment and like the flood in Noah’s day or the Fire and brimstone that fell on Sodom & Gomorrah and the surrounding cities in Lot’s day, the Rapture will catch billions completely off guard and this event will usher in the worst 7 years the world has ever seen.
 Quoting: Seek^



Seek, you are 100% correct wrong.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85036036



So God uses isogesis instead of exegesis to understand His Word?

God uses a flawed hermeneutic to produce truth?

Error .. to produce truth.


Riiiiiiight.
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You can repeat it until doomsday .. does not mean it is true.

As a matter of fact, we have shown you where it is NOT true.

Yet you offer no proof of it's truth,
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You haven't shown anywhere how any unbelievers possibly enter the millennium in natural bodies for a post tribulation rapture/resurrection to be true.

Where is it?

What do you not understand about the great wrath of the winepress where the wicked are gathered and destroyed by the Lord after the second coming? There will be none left.

Just the following verse alone gives it away that no unbeliever will enter the millennium.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity.


The following verse is refers to believers that are tribulation saints, not unbelievers.

Zechariah 14:16
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Those individuals are believers that worship, they did not participate in the attack themselves even though they are from the nations that came against Jerusalem. They are tribulation saints and not gathered into the winepress.

Those that participate in the attack are destroyed by the LORD as given in the verse prior to it.

Zechariah 14:12
And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
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Why do you believe Jesus will come at anytime?

1 Thess 5:1-5 1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness
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The last time I will respond to you, I won’t again no matter how terribly you misinterpret scripture moving forward.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

The answers I’ve stated over a dozen times at least in this thread but the scripture you quoted above has a couple of answers for you.

Paul says regarding the season (referring to the season of the Rapture because He emphasizes it will be as a thief in the night), he shouldn’t have to write to us. What does this mean? It means that writing to us in these last days isn’t necessary regarding the times we’re in because those in Christ will know the season by the Holy Spirit and that we “are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief”.

Those in Christ know what is upon us and the Rapture will not be a surprise because we know we are in the season.


Why do I believe Jesus will come at any time?

Because Jesus said,

Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
Matthew 24:34


This was the fig tree prophecy regarding the last generation and Jesus was referring to Israel who became a nation May 14th, 1948. The Shmita or sabbatical year after Israel became a nation was 1952. A biblical generation is 70-80 years making this last generation the final generation before Jesus’ return and the last generation to see all things written fulfilled before He returns including the Rapture which must take place before the prophecies of the 7-year Tribulation can be fulfilled.

Our days may come to seventy years,
or eighty, if our strength endures;
yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Psalm 90:10

God foreshadowed this with the prophet Simeon in his old age who was visited by the Holy Spirit and was told he would not pass away until he would see the Messiah and he held Jesus when Jesus was just 40 days old as an infant. That event was a foreshadowing of the present day where this last generation will not pass away until they see Jesus Christ.



God says He will pour out His spirit on all flesh as He is doing as this is more evident today than any time in history. The world stage it set and they are trying to draw God’s hand through wickedness and unimaginable evil to Rapture the bride. They want the bride gone so they will have full control as they know their time is short. They want us gone to usher in their god who is Satan albeit for a short time as these ‘elite’ are terribly deceived and mistaken as to their eternal futures if they do not repent. These ‘elite’ being the most deceived isn’t surprising knowing who they follow and worship.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Acts 2:17

Jesus is coming for His bride and it can and will happen at any moment and like the flood in Noah’s day or the Fire and brimstone that fell on Sodom & Gomorrah and the surrounding cities in Lot’s day, the Rapture will catch billions completely off guard and this event will usher in the worst 7 years the world has ever seen.
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Seek, you are 100% correct wrong.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned
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So God uses isogesis instead of exegesis to understand His Word?

God uses a flawed hermeneutic to produce truth?

Error .. to produce truth.


Riiiiiiight.
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Not at all. Obviously you have no concept of how God uses His Holy Spirit to guide us. Most likely because you are devoid of Him.
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The word "perished" below in the second verse also translates to vanish, this is the rapture and how life will be in the Tribulation for those left behind.

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Israel’s Great Misery

Woe is me! For I am like one gathering summer fruit at the gleaning of the vineyard; there is no cluster to eat, no early fig that I crave.

The godly man has perished from the earth; there is no one upright among men. They all lie in wait for blood; they hunt one another with a net. Both hands are skilled at evil; the prince and the judge demand a bribe. When the powerful utters his evil desire, they all conspire together. The best of them is like a brier; the most upright is sharper than a hedge of thorns. The day for your watchmen has come, the day of your visitation. Now is the time of their confusion.

Do not rely on a friend; do not trust in a companion. Seal the doors of your mouth from her who lies in your arms. For a son dishonors his father, a daughter rises against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man’s enemies are the members of his own household.

Micah 6:1-6
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seal Religitards - we ride.
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Again, perish also translates to vanish. When the righteous (who are made righteous by the blood of Christ) disappear, many without discernment will not take it to heart and will believe the lie.


The righteous perish (vanish), and no one takes it to heart; the devout are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil.

Isaiah 57:1

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Seek, you are 100% correct. Some of these posters here are only seeking to sew confusion into what is plain for all to see IF they have eye's to see and ears to hear.

God's Word is SUPERNATURALLY discerned and this is why some do not comprehend. They will literally argue black is white,

It won't be long now! God Bless till we meet at His feet.
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God bless friend.





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