The Official Militant Witch, Wiccan and Pagan Pride Thread; We’re Among You, We’re Here, We’re Not Going Anywhere. Get Used To IT!!

Many Wiccans Do.. I can't say all though.

It is believed by some that The Goddess (The Female aspect of Lifeforce Energy) and the God (The Male Asspect of Lifeforce Energy) when in balance / union with one, combine and become "The One", The God and Goddess you can say are aspects of sides of "The One"

This One would be considered the ultimate Creator.

Very much along the lines of Yen and Yang together and inperfect balance form the Tao or perfect state of being.

In other views within Wicca the God and Goddess are two seprate life forces and when combined energy wise for that brief instant in perfect being as one. In that moment of creation.. The One is formed only for act of Creation of new life then disipates back into its seprate state of being as the God and Goddess and go in their merry way.


Also in Wicca the God and Goddess are not stag net beings, they are just as human like as you are I.. They have their moods, emotions etc just like you or I. Nor are they in a perpetually state of perfection.... in a dispassionate state of all knowing wisdom.. To Wicca the God and Goddess are Living, Vive rent, Flowing energy.. sometime passionate, sometimes moody, sometimes anery, happy jowful and sorrowful Just as any mortal!

Nor do Wiccans bow down or grovel to our Goddess and God they don't require obeident subjects. We are in Co Creative Partnership With Them. We are their physical manifestation in this Earth Plane. They are not Lords and Ladies over us. When a Wiccan kneels to her/his Goddess or God. It is in homage and respest to an Elder because they are Older then all Creation not our Master.

When we approach our Goddess and God it is to seek their prespective and insight and gain wisdom. NOT to prostate ourselves... before te Great and Powerful Wizard of Oz (or All) "Oh yes Oh Great One I am so unworthy to be in your sight..but I ... " You will NEVER find that in Wicca.



Nightshade 09

Blessed is the Energy

you are the biggest fraud christianity has produced, and christianity is filled with bigoted frauds. you know nothing about jesus or the bible. you quote it like satan. you are an evil spawn of the devil. go back to the hell hole you came from and tell your master satan that you failed. you got no souls for Beelzebub here.

your wickedness and lies are deserving of the punishment that will be yours in hell. god will not allow this blasphemy to stand. his kingdom will triumph over the evil hissings that slide past your scaly tongue. and in the end you and all false christians will be brought low by the true teachings of jesus christ.

With the concept of paper mache gods as expressed above,gods that are really just narcisssistic inventions of the pagans to prop up their inflated view as the gods of this world, gods made in their own image with no transcendent power or authority or anything resembling what all high religions have posited about God for many millennia; we can see that paganism and wicca aren't "religions" at all but invented systems. This is merely a subset of all the other "systems" the syncretist New Age subculture has spawned like so many bacterial strains in the past 200 years. "Non Serviam" IS written across their hearts and across the grand doorway leading into hell. this much is clear.

Van Helsing,

I've read both of Webb's books years ago, scholarly information. Two must read books.

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James Webb (January 13, 1946 - May 9, 1980) was a Scottish historian and biographer.

Webb, born in Edinburgh, was educated at Harrow and Trinity College, Cambridge. He is remembered primarily for two works The Occult Underground and The Occult Establishment. Occult Underground was originally titled Flight from Reason. He also wrote an important, and somewhat debated biography of G. I. Gurdjieff, The Harmonious Circle. His theories of Gurdjieff's identity as a foreign agent, and theories on where he actually travelled before 1917, are the controversial points in this book. It is considered to be the most comprehensive Gurdjieff biography.

Webb's work challenges theories of secularism, theories of decline in organised religion and spirituality. Webb argued that the 19th and 20th centuries had also been marked by a revolt against the Enlightenment, and that the rise of irrationalism was much more marked than the rise of rationalism, especially before, during and after the First World War and the Second World War. Webb traced the influence of occult and mystical groups and writers on literature, philosophy and politics.

Webb was generally ignored in his lifetime, but with the increasing rise of new age spirituality in later years, his work now seems increasingly prescient. After increasing mental health difficulties, Webb committed suicide in 1980. There have been speculations that his death was somehow connected to his work with occultism, but this seems not to be the case.

God speaks Latin?

I think I've figured this out.

Van...are you just roll-playing? Is this all just a verbal game for you? Is this just a really really good attempt at pointing out the worst of those who profess Christianity? Is this an expose'?

The rest of the threads you started all have to do with astrology! Simple GLP search function settles THAT! So your own hypocrisy is revealed. All other forms of "looking into the future" are bad except astrology and what God tells you?

Got it!

You, in all your blow-hard criticism of anything but your perspective, have failed to answer direct questions. You pick and choose and carefully sidestep direct questions.

OP has identified you as a teenager, which suggests this whole thing is a flaming JOKE to you....roll-playing joke!

Do you have any idea what damage you're really doing? YOU are playing with fire you don't understand, throwing out curses and insults. You may or may not think it's cute, which certainly is your prerogative, but you have been confronted and warned by many that your game-playing is not innocent and WILL have consequences that are out of anyone else's control. My feeling is that a truly demented or damaged psyche would volunteer for the kind of repercussion you are inviting into your life by being so foolish. I feel sorry for you. These kinds of consequences are not happy ones to endure.

I'd encourage you to take your trunk full of toys and do something constructive with your life. I realize you don't have to listen to me, or anyone else for that matter, it's just good advise. God can't save you from yourself and your own choice to be a fool. Perhaps there is a village close to wherever you live that has a position available for you?

Proving my premise, you follow a bloody and violent god.

ANONYMIZER. Thanks again for the info. Yes, Webb is quite brilliant and he has just the right balance of scholarly acuity and satire to make him a great read. I will get the other book also and veith's.


A great general work is " The Sleep of Reason: Fantasy and Reality from the Vicrorian Age to the First World war" by Derek Jarret.. I personally believe the dam broke in the late Enlightenmemnt with German 'higher"( really lower) criticism and really got going with the skewed humanism of the philosophes in the run up to the disaster to the French "Revolution", wrongly so called. Mapoleon's brand of proto-fascism was the real face of that regressive time. That and Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. She was surrounded by men,her father,husband and perverted Lord Byron who were the apotheosis of overweening hubris and frankensteinian conceits against the creator.


It is interesting to note that the birth of the Gothic novel paralleled the birth of this 2 century assault on the Christian culture. Gothic art is a prophetic mode, I think, and comprises carefully articulated nightmares really. The sensitives and artists began to have nightmares in earnest and haven't stopped for two centuries after the assault on Christianity began, These are manifestations of Conscience, capital C. The Tate did a whole presentation on the Gothic genre. It's the message of the hour.





We will have to talk further. BTW. BRAVO FOR BASICALLY KICKING THE OP'S REAR PREMISES ON THE SUBJECT OF THE CONNECTION BETWEEN FASCISM AND PAGANISM. If you read the thread you will see he himself is what I term a PAGOFASCIST and has expressesd a "HOPE" for WAR and wants to see an entire nation wiped off the face of the map. We have here a member of the Volkisch caste, or faery folk with gossamer wings,leotards and his finger on the button of WW3 no less. The OP HIMSELF is a prime example of what you posted about. Irony of ironies.




Yes,we will have to talk further. Good show old man.

ONEANGRYMOM- Gee. I WISH I WAS a teenager. I mean I may be extraordinarily young and handsome looking for my age but never accused of that.



The OP is a lunatic who also says I am a highly trained illuminati operator programmed by them. so which is it ? He can't even keep track of his own lies on the thread.
He wants entire nations destroyed,hopes for war, says he is a Knights Templar heading up a GLOBAL conspiracy which he calls a"revolution", says he knows where Jesus is buried,blasphemes Christ,uses vulgar epithets,lies about this" facebook" data of me , issues threats, etc. etc. He is a mental case which anyone over 10 years old can see. And that's the truth. But you take his word for anything. Will you be signing up to go to war with the Russians too ? Hoping for war are you ? are you part of his GLOBAL revolution ? Do you "Knights" meet in mommy's basement and do you plot this stuff out in your coloring books on break from kindergarten ? This is so pathetic.




anyway, I see you haven't even read the thread. So I can't take anything you might say seriously. Ciao.

ONEANGRYMOM- Gee. I WISH I WAS a teenager. I mean I may be extraordinarily young and handsome looking for my age but never accused of that.



The OP is a lunatic who also says I am a highly trained illuminati operator programmed by them. so which is it ? He can't even keep track of his own lies on the thread.
He wants entire nations destroyed,hopes for war, says he is a Knights Templar heading up a GLOBAL conspiracy which he calls a"revolution", says he knows where Jesus is buried,blasphemes Christ,uses vulgar epithets,lies about this" facebook" data of me , issues threats, etc. etc. He is a mental case which anyone over 10 years old can see. And that's the truth. But you take his word for anything. Will you be signing up to go to war with the Russians too ? Hoping for war are you ? are you part of his GLOBAL revolution ? Do you "Knights" meet in mommy's basement and do you plot this stuff out in your coloring books on break from kindergarten ? This is so pathetic.




anyway, I see you haven't even read the thread. So I can't take anything you might say seriously. Ciao.

Gotta go.

oh you SEE that I haven't read the thread...

k

you have special powers and can tell that, eh?

you're pathetic

Van Helsing,

I challenge anybody to quote scripture in the New Testament which advocates murder in the name of Christ! It is in this context that I made a distinction between Christianity and Churchianity, I hope it has been recognized.

The "were here, get used to it" statement smacks of hubris and contempt. Just hope this guy never gets into a position of power!

Here ya go....
Thread: Palin says Iraq war is 'task from God'
they're all over this thread. All, like Van Helsing, claiming to be speaking for God and doing His bidding.....Trouble is, Van doesn't ask questions! He has continually berated and superimposed HIS words as mocking questions and expected someone to answer to his superior wisdom, because he is righteous.

And while Van Helsing hasn't suggested that murdering can be done in the name of God, it's okay with him for God to punish and kill (differences being what?) and it's okay for Van to hurl Insults, and Curses, and assumptions ....

No one else is allowed to speak a differing opinion from him or he will declare ICHABOD over them as well......

Van is also allowed to overlook the questions put to him, but jumps down the throat of anyone not answering IMMEDIATELY to his satisfaction. If said answer doesn't fit within his paradigm, see above reference to ICHABOD.

I'm also pretty sure that the OP made his point with his "we're here, get used to it" statements. Along about page 19 or so, he explained quite nicely.

All that being said, I'd like to know more about what you're trying to say. Can you clarify? I've not read the above referenced books or authors, nor do I intend to this afternoon, but if you could "sum-up" I'd appreciate hearing.

Thanks

How cruel a game it seems for God to tell two innocent children not to eat the shiny mind expansion fruit for a reason that cannot be comprehended.

Unless . . . . you realize what Adam and Eve really were and what we also are.

Without the tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life, we cannot become like unto our Heavenly Mother and Heavenly Father.
After all, have you ever heard of a great king and queen who lack love, compassion, understanding and the sense of right or wrong? So is the same withs God and Goddesses.

So much of the bible has either been taken too literally or people think that the bible is more than just a flawed history book written by flawed men who put themselves in place of a flawed god that is not the one who created us.

Instead of being blinded by anger by those who misinterpret their own "religious" text, seek to understand it by way of ancient song, dance, storytelling, and satire performed by the peacemakers, scholars, and philosophers.
The ones who have laid up their treasures in heaven. Not buried in the ground where the blood trickles down staining pure gold forever crimson.

How cruel a game it seems for God to tell two innocent children not to eat the shiny mind expansion fruit for a reason that cannot be comprehended.

Unless . . . . you realize what Adam and Eve really were and what we also are.

Without the tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life, we cannot become like unto our Heavenly Mother and Heavenly Father.
After all, have you ever heard of a great king and queen who lack love, compassion, understanding and the sense of right or wrong? So is the same withs God and Goddesses.

So much of the bible has either been taken too literally or people think that the bible is more than just a flawed history book written by flawed men who put themselves in place of a flawed god that is not the one who created us.

Instead of being blinded by anger by those who misinterpret their own "religious" text, seek to understand it by way of ancient song, dance, storytelling, and satire performed by the peacemakers, scholars, and philosophers.
The ones who have laid up their treasures in heaven. Not buried in the ground where the blood trickles down staining pure gold forever crimson.

Whoops! Hate when I time out.

-Spectrum Blue :OnionWhis:

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* Their society was matrilineal; children took their mothers' names.
* Life was based on lunar (not solar) calendar.
* Time was experienced as a repetitive cycle, not linearly as we think of it.

Many academics believe that the suppression of Goddess worship in Western Europe occurred a few thousand years BCE, when the Indo-Europeans invaded Europe from the East. They brought with them some of the "refinements" of modern civilization: the horse, war, belief in male Gods, exploitation of nature, knowledge of the male role in procreation, etc. Goddess worship was gradually combined with worship of male Gods to produce a variety of Pagan polytheistic religions, among the Greeks, Romans, Celts, etc. Author Leonard Shlain offers a fascinating alternative explanation. He proposed that the invention of writing

"... rewired the human brain, with profound consequences for culture. Making remarkable connections across a wide range of subjects including brain function, anthropology, history, and religion, Shlain argues that literacy reinforced the brain's linear, abstract, predominantly masculine left hemisphere at the expense of the holistic, iconic feminine right one. This shift upset the balance between men and women initiating the disappearance of goddesses, the abhorrence of images, and, in literacy's early stages, the decline of women's political status. Patriarchy and misogyny followed."

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Further south, as Judaism, Christianity & eventually Islam evolved, the Pagan religions were suppressed and the female principle was gradually driven out of religion. Women were considered inferior to men. The God, King, Priest & Father replaced the Goddess, Queen, Priestess & Mother. The role of women became restricted. A woman's testimony was not considered significant in Jewish courts; women were not allowed to speak in Christian churches; positions of authority in the church were limited to men. Young women are often portrayed in the Bible as possessions of their fathers. After marriage, their ownership was transferred to their husbands. Yeshua of Nazareth (a.k.a. Jesus Christ) rejected millennia of religious tradition by treating women as equals. Women played a major role in the early Christian church. Later, epistle (letter) writers who wrote in the name of Paul, started the process of suppressing women once more.

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A renaissance of Paganism, with its worship of Goddesses and Gods occurred in the middle of the 20th century with the re-emergence of Wicca (popularly called White Witchcraft, the benign religion of the ancient Celts) and other Neopagan traditions. Author Leonard Shlain believes that an "Iconic Revolution" has been made possible by the invention of imaged-based technologies, such as photography, movies, television, the Internet and graphic advertising. "Shlain foresees that increasing reliance on right brain pattern recognition instead of left brain linear sequence will move culture toward equilibrium between the two hemispheres, between masculine and feminine, between word and image." 1

Most Neopagan traditions worship the Goddess and God in balance. However, with the rise of feminism, new Neopagan traditions Wicca have been created in which the Goddess grew in importance, and the role of the God shrank into obscurity. One such tradition is Dianic Wicca.

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The following books are listed in alphabetic order by author. Books that we have found particularly interesting are shown in bold.


* G. Ashe "Dawn Behind the Dawn: A search for the earthly paradise", John Macrae, New York NY (1992) Limited availability.
* Anne Baring & Jules Cashford, "The Myth of the Goddess: Evolution of an Image," Arkana, (1993). We haven't read this book. However, all of the Amazon.com customer reviews of the book gave it a perfect five star rating. We were motivated to buy a copy for our library. Read reviews or order this book safely from Amazon.com online book store
* Mary Condren, "The Serpent and the Goddess; Women, Religion and Power in Celtic Ireland", Harper & Row, San Francisco, (1989) Read reviews or order this book Out of print but often available used.
* Lawrence Durdin-Robertson, "The Year of the Goddess, A Perpetual Calendar of Events", Aquarian Press, Wellingborough, England (1990)
* Riane Eisler, "The Chalice & The Blade: Our history, our future", Harper & Row, San Francisco, (1988) A remarkable, life changing book. Read reviews or order this book
* Janet & Stewart Farrar, "The Witches' Goddess: The feminie principle of divinity", Phoenix, Custer WA (1987). Describes the evolution of belief in the Goddess; includes brief descriptons of in excess of 1,000 Goddesses. Read reviews or order this book
* M. Gimbutas:
o "The Civilization of the Goddess: The World of Old Europe", Harper, San Francisco, CA, (1991) Out of print.
o "The Language of the Goddess: Unearthing the hidden symbols of Western Civilization", Thames & Hudson, (Reissued 2001) [Contains many images of Goddess and related figures] Read reviews or order this book
* B. Johnson, "Lady of the Beasts: Ancient Images of the Goddess and Her Sacred Animals", Harper & Row, San Francisco, CA (1994) Read reviews or order this book
* Glenys Livingstone, "PaGaian Cosmology: Re-inventing Earth-based Goddess Religion," iUniverse, (2005), Read reviews or order this book It can also be read online at: [link to pagaian.org]
* Jean Markdale, "The Great goddess: Reverence of the Divine Feminine from the Paleolithic to the Present," Inner Traditions Intl, (2000). Read reviews, read sample pages, or order this book
* T. Robbins & D. Anthony, "In Gods We Trust: New patterns of religious pluralism in America", Transaction Publishers, New Brunswick, NJ, 1993, P. 353-384. Limited availability.
* Leonard Shlain, "The Alphabet versus the Goddess," Viking, (1998). Read reviews or order this book
* Monica Sjoo & Barbara Mor, "The Great Cosmic Mother: Rediscovering The Religion of The Earth; 2nd Edition", Harper, San Francisco, (1991) Very highly rated by reviewers. Read reviews or order this book
* Merlin Stone:
o "When God was a Woman", Harvest/HBJ, San Diego, (1978) Also, very highly rated. Read reviews or order this book
o "Ancient Mirrors of Womanhood: A treasury of Goddess and Heroine Lore from around the World," Beacon Press (1990). Read reviews or order this book
* Barbara G Walker, "The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets", Harper & Row, San Francisco, (1983), P. 346-347, etc. Read reviews or order this book

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3. A Grove of the Spiral Goddess has an excellent series of essays on the Goddess at: [link to www.spiralgoddess.com]
4. The Danaan Press promotes Goddess Worship. [One of their memorable quotes from their home page is "Any religion or philosophy which is based on the fear of being tortured for eternity because of some godling's displeasure is psychologically diseased.]" See: [link to www.danaanpress.com]
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6. PaGaian Cosmology: re-inventing Earth-based Goddess Religion "... brings together a religious practice of seasonal ritual based in a contemporary scientific sense of the cosmos and female imagery for the Sacred." See: [link to pagaian.org]

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The Goddess :



The Triple Goddess
Maiden, Mother and Crone.. The Great Mother Goddess in Spring (Maiden) Summer (Mother) and Fall (Crone Hag) who brings death but the promise of Rebirth (Maiden)




Ancient Mother

ANONYMIZER. I made the same distinction you did. You call it Christianity vs. Churchianity and i call it simply the true and false church. Without that ecclesiologiocal distinction nothing can be intelligibly communicated about Christ at all. The parable of the wise and foolish virgins is the lynchpin concept, I think. don't expect the pagans on this thread to notice fine points like this; they don't acknowledge ANY points as near as I can tell.They NEVER make that distinction when they disingenuously play the burning time card.


I am Pentecostal and I believe the dividing line is pneumatology. Cessationist theology claiming that the Book of Acts is not for today can be damaging to one's spiritual walk. In fact,often,there is emnity between those who have the anointing,with discrete signs following and those who simply believe. The nominal Christians. One very good treatment of that issue is "Quenching the Spirit" by William DeArtega.



Like you I believe that war that harms ANY innocent is an abomination and ALL modern warfare is against the Word of Jesus. The first few centuries after Jesus it was a sin to be a soldier. This reflects Jesus ' teaching on the sunject. All statism and politics is idolatry by its very nature. i wasn't simply engaging in rhetoric when I used the moniker PAGOFASCIST. The OP most assuredly IS one.




Many New Age cults, of which Wicca/Paganism is only a subset have a very distinct agenda." The Hidden dangers of the Rainbow" by Constance Cumbey details some of this. The subculture had an ironclad,fascistic agenda at A.R.E. and replaced Jesus with Buddha in its meditation room after about a 10 year long battle to reconstruct Cayce.




I think that unbelief brings one to the point of having to engage in control fantasies of every type including the use of violence on a collective scale. This may be one theological key to the link with paganism and fascism.And the OP is a living,breathing example of this principle.

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Preparing a cauldron for you as it is a customary
way to deal with HATERS in that manner.

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No you just want a war in the name of Jesus christ.

Not going to happen Van Helsing.. You'd be surprised how many Pentecostals and Charismatics those raised as such are now Wiccan and Pagan. It your brand of Christianity has scared them for life!

I personally know several Pentecostals deprogramers on the web you specialize in mental health fields just in this area.. If you ever want to stop being a laughing stock let me know. :)

Nightshade 09

Oh what are a few of those Fundie Christian terms..

Slayen in the Blood of Jesus..
Washed clean in the Blood of Jesus..
Baptized in the Blood of Jesus...


Hell man sounds like a Vampire cult to me.. When are you going to stop bleeding your God to death??

Nightshade 09

So sorry man.. my God and Goddess are about life and enjoying it as child of Nature..

Theres is not a religion of groveling in the dust sucking up precious drops of blood at the foot of a instrument of death and torture.


We did your 'trip' and found only lies and hypocrites like you...


Nightshade 09

van, yer attitude of holier than thou is the same one that led to the buring times. yer playing with words to claim no culpability for the pentecostals. bull. yer religion came out of the church that perpetrated the burning times which makes yer lineage direct to those times. yer christianity is directly responsible.

the book of acts... the cornerstone of the pentecostals. closely supported by corinthians. this is foolish of ye van. christians by definition should only be concerned with the teachings of jesus christ. add anything else to the mix and it's not even christianity. which says a lot about yer cult.

in other words, don't justify yer religion or beliefs on the basis of a book(s) or words of anyone other than the one that is supposed to be the reason for yer faith. jesus christ.

all warfare, modern or not, is an abomination. and it has nothing to do with the christ, it's just an abomination. being pagan does not make one a fascist.

i am not part of cult, new age or otherwise. i can't speak for anyone else, but i am not.

the only control fantasies i've seen in this thread were distinctly pentecostal i nature. when will ye stop trying to dominate every one? shoving yer so called religion down our throats just hits the gag reflex and makes us puke on ye.

van, ye want to put an end to pagans and the like because of yer religion. has it occurred to ye that for that to happen ye will have had to put in place a system that repeats the burning times for all peoples including yer pentecostal ones? if ye accomplish yer mission ye destroy yerself in the process. is that what ye really want?

I love seeing lightbulb moments!

I've been trying to say this for YEARS.....the "moral majority" and their ilk don't have a clue about the seeds they're planting.......

ANONYMIZER. Another text you may already be familiar with is the Manuels' book on Utopianism." Utopianism in the Wester World" ? Something like that. Frank Manuel. Kind of dryasdust academic stuff but helps to pinion the common denominators of all utopian systems. One of the big distinctions was that where pure religions were transcendent and teach a preparation for the next world or eternity, utopian systems "ground" spiritual discipline and reduce them to pragmatism. Or altruism.


Utopian political types and carnal,selfish types cannot understand the kenosis or emptying oneself which is the essence of the Cross. One pagan on here finds the cross "disgusting".Others have ridiculed it., Jesus exhorted us to "take up" OUR cross and follow him to an eternal kingdom,first here on earth and then in a new world. Pagans are so "earthed" that they think this is alien mysticism.Unfortunately the neocons and Jesus-with-a-gun people in the false,politicized church are in the same boat. The fact that there is mutual hatred between "fundamentalists" wrongly so called and pagan nation,equally misnamed, is because in their earthboundedness,they are mirror images of eachother. They place "empowerment" over the "kenosis" and are prone to cyclical politicization and manipulation by ideologues and propagandists because they are de-facto dominion theologians though few may call it that.




I spent considerable time studying Weimar culture, outre occultism of the 19th century,the adulteration of American Christianity which had its roots,really in Luther's capitulation to the German Princes centuries before, to try to figure out how the ideals of these systems turn to bloodshed and wars so quickly. Actually THE root is the simple concept of unbelief,i.e. the disbelief in a transcendant,personal God who intervenes in the ways we read about in the Book of Acts and which is the key to the "promise theology" which took root in the era of the Wesleyan Theological revival of the 18th century and is now the dominant trend in what is loosely called the "evangelical" world. Because of the statist propaganda that was birthed in the 18th century in the French and American revolutions, real belief has been truncated. American Christians can believe for their own miracles on a personal basis; but strap a flag to their hat and carry guns and make nuclear weapons because ,in their heart of hearts,they have not been baptized into the new birth and by nature cannot escape collective,tribal identification and sharing collectivist fears.



And the OP manifests this schizoid,truncated "spirituality" or supposed spirituality. He raves about the wonders of paganism and wicca but still feels that he is bound not only to kill but to kill entire nations. He is as much of a lunatic in this regard as Dick Cheney,or the think-tank denizens of neocon nation. even the neocon zombies do not speak of genocide witht the ease and familiarity of the OP Nightshade here, His view is that killing hundreds of millions is "payback" and is identical to the "eye for an eye" ethics of the Old Testament. It is supremely ironic that it is apparently ok in his eyes and the eyes of the pagans on this thread to complain about the burning times and then to give tacit assent to these new BURNING TIMES that the OP says he HOPES( his words) are unleashed in a war in Europe(p.17 and again a few pages after that). And he has gone to great lengths to make sure we understand that his "gods"( dopplegangers really)are not transcendant and that he is his own god. So- we have a real ,live exhibit A on this thread esxemplifying this connection between unbelief in a transcendant God and murderous ideology. He is a hater and this too is a function of unbelief.





This is a huge question for Christians. One guy who does a fairly decent job delineating these issues is Greg Boyd in " The Myth of a Christian nation: How the quest for Political Power is destroying the church". His rather mega church lost about 1000 members when he preached this for a month. I myself have observed close-up how the heretical Zionist segment is adulterating and distorting the Word for a neocon agenda.The rebirth of Israel fulfilled Bible prophecy, but it is an unbelieving secular nation born in violence and not worthy of Christians taking up arms for. NO nation is. I believe a pure break from the world system and all tribal,national affiliation is one of the signs of the beginning of true regeneration. I had a go-round about this with rev. David Wilkerson in NYC and he mostly agrees. spiritual/theological battle lines are forming over this issue in the church and with all ideologues...and pagofascism is apparently part of the "witches brew' of adulterated spirituality as well. The parallels you cited with the rise of Nazism were a bullseye. THIS is the biggest spiritual issue of the hour, i believe and only rebirth in Christ will free one from the endless cycle of collectivist barbarism and bloodshed. Paul said, ' WE HAVE HERE NO CONTINUING CITY", JESUS SAID PUT THE SWORD AWAY" because those who live by the sword,meaning every tribe and polity that ever existed in history, shall die by the sword.

Even I when I was a Christian and Catholic did not much care for the Book of Acts or any of Paul’s writtings.

Fact Paul was Saul a hit man for the Jewish Authority in Jerusalem a paid and hired bounty hunter and excutioner the very early beginnings of Christianity. By some theological accounts. Saul was directly responsible in the death of 118 direct disciples of Jesus including the stoning of Stephan which Paul directly states he was apart of as Saul.

Fact: Saul was on the road to Syria to wipe out the Christian onclave there when ‘supposedly’ a blinding light came over him and his traveling companion. Which knocked him off his horse, revealed it self as the risen Christ and left him blind for two weeks. Until a Christian in cured him. From that moment on Paul goes on to preach Christianity to the world and setting down the foundations of the Christian faith.

Fact later on in the Book the Christian Church in Jerusalem headed by Peter himself and James has very heated debates and down right arguments with Paul’s teaching being against the teaching of Jesus himself. Paul then has the gull to say to Peter and James. Basically “Look, I’m the one appointed by Christ to preach to the Gentile world and you two are the ones to Preach to Jewish World.”

Fact: In Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.. Jesus clearly stated that it was Peter upon which the Church was to be founded. An Jesus was the first one to send out the deciples unto the whole Gentle World.

In Acts Saul/Paul CLEARY visit’s the Christian communities ALREADY founded by the Peter/James sect of Christianity and basically states .. “No, no, no you got it all wrong let me correct you!” Basically Saul/Paul was saying. Jesus’s apostles had it all wrong.. Here let me a SELF proclaimed Apostle tell you about my brand of Christianity.”

Jesus/Peter/James ‘ s message.. Repent of your Sin and you shall be forgiven, go and sin no more and preform good deeds. This is the road to Salvation.

Paul’s Message.. It is by the proclamation of Faith one is saved.

Peter/James : “Jesus came not to do away with the Law of Moses but to Supplement the Law and teach its core message.. Justice, Mercy, Forgiveness.. In order for one to be Christian one must embrace also the Law of Moses (be in accord with the Covenant)

Paul: “Ah screw that just proclaim your Faith in Jesus and your automatically a Jew as well as Christian.”

Jesus/Peter/James : “Whose head is upon the Coin? Ceasers! Give until Caesars’ what is Caesars and Give Unto God what is God’s:

Paul to the Church in Jerusalem: “I’m sending you a box of gold and silver coin! Money… Oh and there’s lots more where that comes from.. They are very generous.. Expand everywhere with this amount of money set up churches world wide AND generate even MORE income!”


Something fishy there (pardon the pun) don’t you think?

I tended to skip over Paul’s stuff. Peter and James church seemed a bit less flashy and cheap.


Nightshade 09

Ah, comrade Nighshade09...


The 'Galililean Rabbi' said to 'lay our treasures up in Heaven.' (loosely transcribed from memory!).


If 'above, so as below,' why bother 'laying them up' at all...?


Why are you equating realities equal on all levels?


Did you really buy into a "Timeline 1, Variant 83 configuration...?


No way, say it ain't so, dude...!!!

Yes, well, i think someone who takes a a stand FOR GENOCIDE and "HOPES" that a war will break out so that "PAYBACK" can "WIPE THE RUSSIANS OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP"(cf. p. 17 this thread) is hardly in a position to judge or interpret much of anything,LET ALONE the WORD OF GOD and the message of the PRINCE OF PEACE and his apostles which clearly taught against war and violence.

An here you reveal your true colors once again!

The last I checked the vast majority of Pentacostals, Support the Republican agenda and ultra conservatism there of..

Here your spouting Anti-NWO / 911 Truth movement conspiratorial buzz words and clap trap.