The Official Militant Witch, Wiccan and Pagan Pride Thread; We’re Among You, We’re Here, We’re Not Going Anywhere. Get Used To IT!!

Today in 2008 the Catholic Church (the inventors of the Inquistion) state about other Non-Christian beliefs that non - Christian based spiritualities and and often do offer humanity great and profound spiritual insight and wisdom as well as alot to offer Christianity. Yet for the Christian prespective only Christ is way to spiritual fulfillment.

Catholic Priests do sit down on International Theological Debate Panels with Native American Shamans, With Jewish Rabbi, with Tibetian Buddhists, Hindus, and yes even Wiccan and Witch guest speakers. along with many others across the globe.

Were once Catholics Burned Witches now they share marble cake and coffee and DO discuss what they both share in common.. Even though the Priest still is thought Christianity is the Only Way.. They RESPECT OTHERS RIGHTS TO CHOOSE OTHERWISE these days..

Where there was once torture, death, suffer and hate. Wiccans and Priests now share dialouge..

In fact a few years ago.. My coven head a full ritual and practices at a Franciscan Catholic Retreat House with four fully robed Monks living up stairs.. An here we were Modern Day Pagans and Witches down in their main conference room holding Ritual Winter Solstice Ritual. After Ritual the four Brothers in Robes and came down to the Post Ritual Social. There we were som 40 Witches and 4 Catholic Monks sitting down around the Fire shareing in mutual RESPECT and UNDERSTANDING of what our Faiths meant to each other, what Joy and Spiritual fulfillment..

The Same monks that in the Middle Ages would have been our torturers as they saved our Soul for Christ. (To be honest the Franciscan Holy Orders were one of the few Catholic Orders to Oppose the Inquisition on the grounds of inhumanity, but they were shouted down by the Dominicans.)

We laughed we socialized even sang a few spiritual hymns together. As friends there was no hate, no bitternes.. No My God is Better then your God.. Then it came for their Hour to return to their prayers upstairs and they suggusted that might we try a mutual prayer together.

The Brothers lead us in Gergorian Chant the Our Father.. and My High Priestess was elected to give the Wiccan Responce and Prayer. She was a rather fisty Priestess she stepped forword and in the process (before we could stop her.. LOL) dropped her Robes wearing nothing but her Pentacle and Crown which was her Office.. She led us in the Charge of Goddess.. Which the Brothers had already memorized and put to Gregorian Chant..


I tell you there was not a Dry Eye in the place!! An we Parted Ways As sperical Brothers and Sisters no matter the Path looking for God...


Until Van Helsing BRAND of Christianity Recognizes a PERSONS RIGHT TO EXIST AND TO WORSHIP THE CREATOR AS THEY ARE CALLED TO WORSHIP THE CREATOR..and to RESPECT that choose even if you disagree with it.


There can be no peace between us..


Nightshade 09

Ha ha , I will remember to read thread in future.

fair enough. if there can be no peace between the two of ye then there can be no peace. if i may, a bit of speculation. when ye were in the church celebrating wiccan rites, the good fathers agreed in advance. ye did not shove it down their throats did ye? if ye had i would hazard the guess that they would not have been so kind. and as i see it, this is the complaint that ye have with van helsing. that he does not acknowledge yer right to believe as ye will. is this correct?

ye began this thread as a joyful and boisterous celebration of what ye believe, declaring to the world that ye were here to stay. knowing the pentecostals as i do, that was tantamount to a challenge. and van helsing responded. all of us took van helsings response as a challenge ourselves. i was as bad as anyone in the response. yet what did we do except what we were accusing him of doing? denying him his right to believe as he wished. my understanding of the wiccan creed includes a phrase somewhat like: do as ye will, harm no one. not exact i realize, but that i believe is the general gist of it.

and yet when van helsing posted contradictory thoughts we harmed him and ourselves with our vindictive blasts. all in self defense of course. which is what he was doing. self defense as he saw it. the good fathers that allowed the wiccan rites in their church knew they were not being attacked. van helsing saw this thread as an attack on his faith. ye took the time to make peace with the fathers in the church and shared sacred space to the betterment of all. ye did not take the time to make peace with van helsing. i am as bad as any one. yet, so long as we do not take the time to make peace there will be no peace.

even if the pentecostal faith never agrees to allow what ye did with the fathers in the catholic faith, there still needs to be peace or there *will* be more burning times. the very grave danger is that the burning times will come before we can make a peace. is it necessary that a person agree to yer beliefs before there can be peace? i say all that is necessary is that we allow each other our beliefs. and that can never happen when we are attacking and defending.

there are times when self defense is necessary, but even then we must find a way to cut to the core of the matter and stop the violence. we must find common ground to establish mutual respect. or we will all burn.

so do ye wish to follow yer stated beliefs or do ye wish to continue attacking van helsing. they seem to be mutually exclusive actions from my perspective. if i am wrong please set me straight.

As I said once before.

We Are Among You.
We Are Here

And We are here to Stay..

Deal With It.

Inkubus sukkubus - Witches




And if Preacher Man Van Helsing or his irk can't deal with that fact.. Men and Women by the 100s of thousands now turn to Mother Goddess and Horned God... Well He can kiss her ass because we're here to stay!

just in case that was directed even a bit at me let me restate: i am a pagan. i find nothing wrong with the teachings of the christ. ye can believe anything ye want and i will only object when ye start telling others how to believe. the goddess and horned god are merely aspects of the creator in my view. they are not my "cup of tea" but ye are welcome to worship any deity ye want. being pagan covers a lot of ground ye know.

Do all witches wiccans go after Russia and also deny the hundreds of suspicious evidences that tell us 911 was a self made job?

If's that then I say fuck em all masssster black wankery deceivers!

Ah well thanks for the admittance your god is satan + lucifer.

Btw you're not going to stay, that is for sure ...

sounds like another troll here....

You a satanalist too?

no my friend. i'm a pagan. i don't know this satan ye refer too, but it seem ye do.

Did you overlook that Lampshade was talking about the horned god?

Do I have to educate you who that is?

Ross was not directed at you at all.

But do keep in mind the title of this thread and why I started it. I saw too much of Pagan and Wiccan and Witches DEMONIZED on the forums.

An decided to stand up against it and to Educate what it is really about. That education process has been largely disruptted by ONE single foaming at the mouth Fundie Turd.

If you want to apologetic for being a believer In the Old Ways and bow before the lunatic Hell Spawn that is your chose and right as human being.

My choice to defend my faith against all slime balls of his irk.


Nightshade 09

i'm fully aware of who the horned god is, and i'm also aware that christianity stole the image in centuries past to call satan in order to use fear to control their masses. much like our govt is using fear now for that matter. the horned god is not satan. he is the masculine aspect of the creator. i'm not really sure why christianity made their god a bearded white man sitting on clouds though. i thought that was a roman god...

i'm not even a little apologetic for being a pagan. my ways are as old as the planet, but that doesn't mean i'm not willing to try to live at peace with other folks. if i am attacked i will defend myself. it became obvious in fairly short order (for me anyway, i'm a bit slow) that what i was doing for defense was making it worse with van helsing. so i tried to find the common ground that could be respected by both of us. i don't call that bowing. but if ye truly believe there can be no peace between the two of ye - carry on.

Ah Free Flow I see you've decided to poke your head out of your Alex Jones approved for the end of world surivialist bunker?

Ah... whats wrong doomsday hasn't come around yet? The shortwave radio stopped working and can't recieve instructions from your Fear Mongering Master Jones?

Got news for you.. the Troops are MARCHING IN THE STREETS!!! RUN ... RUN ... The New World Order come'th..


Back into your hole gopher.. :)


Nightshade 09

Pffffht, you could not be more far-fetched and off the mark about me with what you were assuming there ...

Problem with your gang is that they want to keep up the gross deception on earth, and you support the zionazis that says it all.
It's well known who the gods of the OT that you whore-ship actually were.

I suggest you read this thread if you have the courage to let yourself get challenged:

Re: Yahweh, Jehovah, Satan, Lucifer, the Annunaki, the Nefilim, good angels, bad angels are all reptilians playing roles ...
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

You at your core and your essence FreeFlow you have doubt and you have fear thats all anyone needs to know about you free flow in order to control you. An its how certain powers that be control humanity.

Once even a single sait grain of doubt and fear is planted within eventually it could be made to bring that person to oblivion by those that know how to do it.

An that is why such people as Jones and Rense are allowed to preach what they will to spread those grains for later use.


Live free of it Free Flow and you achive a great victory for the Light and how that is acomplished is by LOVE and not the gun.


Nightshade 09

i take it ye are not a christian then?

Any excuse.......

How your possible Viking Ancestory were converted to Christianity. Was it by Faith? No It was Business.

Viking Religion




By: Aisling Bronach of House Shadow Drake

The religion of the Vikings was one of the last pagan religions left in Europe. They were often portrayed as Heathen savages that had "no respect for the sanctity of religious houses and the pacifism of their inmates." We must take into consideration the position of the Christian religion within Viking society, as well as the reasons for conversion. It might also be taken into consideration that the churches were also repositories of valuables that were left relatively unguarded.

In the case of the Danes, animosity against the Christian church is suggested by this late 19th century quote by J. C. Robertson:
'Many of the raiders were men who had suffered from the forcible means employed by Charlemagne for the conversion of pagans, or were the offspring of such men. Their enmity against Christianity was therefore fierce and unsparing; there was religious hatred, as well as the lust of spoil, in the rage which selected churches and monasteries as especial objects.'

Many Vikings died for their religious beliefs. In 998 AD, King Olaf Tryggvason made Norway a Christian country. During this time, many of the followers of the Viking religion were tortured and killed because they refused to convert to Christianity; among these was the seer, Thorleif the Wise, who was ordered to be blinded. He was taken by Olaf's men and it is said that he withstood the torture so bravely that his torturers fled after having torn out only one of his eyes. Other men stand out for their dedication to their religious under such heinous torture: Eyvind Kelde who was drowned alongside with his comrades, Iron Skegge who was killed while defending the temples at Maeri, Eyvind Kinnrifi who was tortured to death with hot coals, and Raud the Strong who was tortured with a poisonous snake and a hot iron. Even today, Ragnar Lodbrok is celebrated as a martyr by a contemporary group called the Asatru; he died at the hands of the Christians while in Northumbria. (Jones and Pennick, 1995: 135)

In some cases, Christianity was very strongly opposed in the Viking homeland. One example can be made of King Hakon the Good who attempted to Christianize Norway. His earls, however, strongly opposed him. In the end, they convinced him to, 'make an end of the Christian faith in Norway... and compel the king to a blood-offering.' This was done, and when the king dies around 960 AD, he was given a funeral in a howe at Sein in North Hordaland in accordance with the Viking way. His personal skald, Eyvind Scaldaspiller, composed an eulogy called the Hakonarmal which described how King Hakon, 'upheld the temples, and was received with gladness in Valhalla by the high gods.' (Jones and Pennick, 1995: 134-135)

Hakon the Good was first a Christian, and tried to establish that religion in Norway. It is only after he finds that the people are unwilling to accept Christianity that he reverts to the Heathen Viking religion. This appears to be a political move. Hakon was the son of Harald Fairhair, but he was also the foster-son of King Athelstan of England. England at this time was emerged in the Christian religion, and so Hakon's upbringing had been within the Christian religion. (Jones, 1984: 199)

In Denmark, the case was slightly different. Harald Bluetooth challenged a missionary named Poppo to a trial by ordeal after he said that there was only one God - the Father, his son Jesus, and the Holy Ghost, and that the Aesir was actually just demons. At this time, the Danes acknowledged the Christian god, but believed that the Aesir were more powerful. An account is given by Widukind the Saxon, and it records that around 960 AD, the priest Poppo performed a miracle by which he held a piece of hot iron in his hands without being burned. This convinced Harald Bluetooth that the Christian god was greater than those he worshiped, and thus ordered the people to follow the Christian faith. (Jones, 1984: 126)

Adam of Bremen, however, records a different story and says that the reason for Harald Bluetooth's conversion to Christianity was due to, 'an unsuccessful war with the emperor.' This referred to war refers to the conflicts with Otto I and Germany. It is strongly suspected that Poppo was in league with Otto, and that when Harald Bluetooth converted to Christianity, it was a sign of his acknowledgement of Otto's power. Harald was more concerned with extending his kingdom, and the conversion was a ready way of dealing with Otto so that he would have fewer excuses for attacking. (Jones, 1984: 126)

By 998 AD, Olaf Tryggvason began burning the pagan temples and forcing each community to convert to Christianity or die. According to the Saga of Olaf Tryggvason, he was not beyond taking hostages to enforce the observance of Christian rituals. Why did Olaf convert to Christianity in the first place? There is not much in the way of documentation for the reasons behind his conversion to Christianity. On legend says that he accepted the Christian religion from a hermit in the Scillies. (Jones, 1984: 132) In the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, it is recorded that Olaf was baptized in 994 AD and given 16,000 pounds of silver after an unsuccessful attack on the city of London in England. (Jones, 1984: 132)

Iceland was Christianized around the beginning of the 11th century. The leaders of Iceland came together at an Althing and came to this decision, but the exact reasons for the conversion remain unclear. One account tells us that this occurred when the law-speaker, Thorgeirr, was bribed to support the Christian faith against the Viking pagan religion. Another account by Ari Thorgilsson suggests that the conversion was due to the influence of Olaf Tryggvason who pressured Icelanders who went to visit Norway. (Sawyer, 1982: 141)

Little is said regarding Sweden, and it is thought that Christianity was a very gradual and peaceful process. It was not until sometime between 1000 AD and 1024 AD that Olav Scotkonung finally imposed Christianity as the official religion of Sweden. (Jones and Pennick, 1995: 136) In 1080 AD, however, King Inge the Elder was exiled from Uppsala for refusing to sacrifice at the temple there. It was not until around 1120 AD when King Sigurd the Jerusalem-Traveler declared a crusade against the pagan practices in Smalalnd that we see a complete rejection and persecution of the followers of the Heathen Viking religion in Sweden. (Jones and Pennick, 1995: 137)

The Viking conversion to Christianity was often for reasons of trade and politics. If the Vikings were able to conduct peaceful relations with other countries, they would have a better chance at building bases by which they could trade their goods.

So why attack the Christian churches? The Viking movement was dependant on raiding, trading, colonization, and war. (Jones, 1984: 196) When times were favorable the Vikings would trade, but when the opportunity presented itself the Vikings would also resort to raiding and piracy. (Jones, 1984: 199) The churches were full of the loot that the Vikings desired, and being as it was left relatively unguarded, the Viking had no problem with plundering it. (Jones, 1984: 200)

Resources

Jones, Gwyn. "A History of the Vikings." second ed. (NY: Oxford University Press, 1984.)

Jones, Prudence and Pennick, Nigel. "A History of Pagan Europe." (London and New York: Routledge, 1995)

Sawyer, P. H. "Kings and Vikings." (NY: Routledge, 1987.)

Roesdahl, Else. "The Vikings." (NY: Penguin Books, 1987.)

Letter to Jesus

In honor of the DEMONIZED Norse Mother Goddess Hel (Where we get the name hell) Hel Goddess Mother of the Underworld the realm of the dead.

As the Church of the Sheep did elsewhere they took the ancient ancient ancient Images of Strong Independent Women Pagan Goddesses demonized them and turned women into beasts of burdern.. under a supposed God of Love and the Cross!!




Goddess Hel

Hagalaz runedance - Hel goddess of the underworld.

Cold, this misty night
A black moon's preparing my mind
Out here, I seek her shrine
I welcome the queen of the lowest world
Into the ice hall
Where mirrors reflect my soul
She's freezing my tears
Taking all fears

Two sides to her face
Her claws pierce or embrace
Enter, with open eyes
You'll see her garden of delight

To the within
Beyond our memory
Falling so deep
Where unborn souls sleep

Hail, to the queen of death
Her shadow walks with you
Remember her kind
And understand life

Invisible mate
Waiting to seal our fate
Watch my strife
Hel, guard my life

Cold, this misty night
A black moon's preparing my mind
Beneath eternal fog
I have seen clear
Category: Music


Hel is the Great Earth Mother in her Dark Aspect .. At spring she was the Madien bring forth the child of Light.. All Summer she's been the Loving Gentle Mother.. but now Fall comes.. Death of the Green.. The Goddess is now aging fast and Death approaches... Before she passes into the Underworld (THe Mysterious) he has one task to complete.. An that is kill all life in winterly Cold Frost...

But in her Mercyless Frey... in the Deathly COLD of Winter... Comes Again the Spark of Life.. at Yule. The Child of light shall be Born Anews! As we mortals ahall to be.. After we make the physical journey into that terrorifying realm of the Underworld.

As Fall appoarches the CRONE makes appearence! The Hag... The Mother Goddess in her Dark Aspect. And we Celebrate that Too!


Nightshade 09

NIGHTSHADE. You are a HYPOCRITE and a POSEUR. You stated pages back that your goal was education and that you don't wish to slam any other faith. This thread is RIDDLED with an overt ANTI-CHRISTIAN agenda. You pose as an ecumenist but you are a blasphemer of the Christian faith.



For example,you quote Lady Isadora's lyrics and place in bold print about God in the BIBLE as a "false God" and 'UNHALLOWED BE HIS NAME'. You are thusly celebrating a demonic inversion of the prayer Jesus Himself gave to us in the gospels. Elsewhere you refer to the BIBLE as a book of "DRIBBLE". Addressing me you said the CROSS was "MEANINGLESS". This is rank anti-Christian rhetoric and an assault on those things we Christians hold to be holy. You say that you mean "no disrespect". You are a hypocrite and speak out of two sides of your mouth. It's all here in this thread for discerning readers to see.



You also tell us that you are a "Knights Templar" and that you know where the bones of Jesus are buried. You specifically claim " JESUS IS A MYTH CREATED BY THE CULT OF DAGON". In another rant you changed this and said Christianity was an invention of the illuminati. Tell me. did you share all of this whacked out conspiracy theory about the origin of Jesus with the Christian brothers you had your love fest with ? Were you assaulting the Bible, The cross and Jesus himself when you were among them ?? I don't think so. You would have got thrown out of the monastery on your ear.



Another element in your schizoid presentation on this thread is your advocating GENOCIDE. You stated that you want RUSSIA WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP. When I specifically asked you about the civilian casualties involved in your expressed "HOPE" that war breaks out, so that the Russians will get "PAY BACK"( I kid you not people-it's all on this thread )you remain mute. It is EXTREMELY HYPOCRITICAL for you to post all these you tube clips and rants about the BURNING TIMES when it is you who expressly stated you want to bring NURNING TIMES to hundreds of millions of non-combatent people. A whole nation no less.



You are no spiritual person. You are an ideologue. You are a PAGOFASCIST with as whacked out an agenda as the occultists and neo-pagans who created the ideological witches brew in which NAZISM was spawned in Weimar Germany. You speak about peaceful coexistence on the one hand and then talk about "militant" paganism on the other, You said in pages back on this thread that you are of the "true templars" who wish to "DESTROY"( your words,not mine ) the existing system and effect a "revolution of the spirit". You HATE Christianity, admit it. And you want it overthrown and the "godess" returned to cultural ascendancy. it's in the lyrics of your posted songs: " We were overthrown '. The song goes on to cite that Mother earth cannot return until the 'pretender" gets off her thrown. You see religion as a WAR, but pretend co-existence. You are a FAKER.



And the PROOF is in your words on this thread, not mine. No one who has not taken leave of his senses,pagan or Christian would advocate mass GENOCIDE. Yet you want an entire nation "wiped off the face of the earth" for what YOU perceive as a good reason; "payback". Maybe you'd like to pay the Christians back also ??? you're willing to kill inocent Russian non-combatants. why not innocent Christians.
I think you have clinical issues and are a hater. I frankly think you set yourself up as a teacher to pagans who would shrink from this dark element of genocidal hatred in you. I hope that readers of this thread are not fooled by your ecumenical masquerade. You are different than the rest of us,Pagan AND Christian. You have an alien,hate-driven agenda that any careful reader of this thread can observe. +++

This song to Jesus clip is exhibit A. You don't want to co-exist with Christians. You want to ridicule and blaspheme the Lord they love and serve. You better PRAY that you don't get the culture war you are begging for. There are plenty of Christian haters of Paganism ,just like you Pagans who hate Christianity who would gladly meet you on the battlefield of hate and primitivism. You deserve eachother.

I'm not here to promote your beliefs Ed. I'm a Pagan and Witch and I write from a Pagan and Witch perspective.

Don't like it tough cookies. Go start your own thread. Or start promoting your faith by your actions. "You shall know them by their deeds."

What have been your deeds Van Helsing. Bigotry, Intolerance, hate and rage. Your a fine fine example of everything the Witch and Pagan community dispise about your hypocritical faith and your my GREATEST anti Christian message :)

As for being Anti Jesus, that is an entirely different story. Jesus was a fantastic rabbi teacher and theologian. To bad it was people like him that killed him.


Nightshade 09

Oh oh how Christian of you...




Nightshade 09

I stand by every word I contributed to this thread and I am content to let the record speak for itself. I urge readers to read it from the beginning and watch for the Janus-like inconsistencies I have pointed out. They are there in the thread. I have defended the faith against an alien doctrine.

Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam

Every word you have "contributed" to this thread has been a totally negative, hate-filled bummer.

You suck.