Prophecies Jesus gave in Mathew 24 and Revevelation require internet and smartphone

With the Holy Spirit (at least the saint version) you're hedged in by GOD (Job 3:23). So I'm not sure about most of these stories about travel and preaching the gospel at a distance because...it might be considered fleeing which opens up a lot of offenses (I don't remember where this is in the bible).

Maybe we go all over the world with the Holy Spirit but we only see one city...all of the flesh world is just perception.

OP is yet another idiot that doesn't understand the Bible AT ALL! Couldn't be more clear yet every decade they come up with some new theory on what the obvious means because surely it couldn't mean what it actually says!!?? right

Are you speaking of Mathew 24a;14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Today this is being done with the internet...

Correction Above post should read Mathew 24:13 - without the a

Jesus literally tells us we shall "SEE" the evil one stand in the holy place.

If you are in a field or on a rooftop, how are you going to see him stand in the holy place without a mobile device?

Remember - the holy place is an enclosed area, and no worshipers are permitted.

Mathew 24:15 When ye therefore shall SEE the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, STAND in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

21 For then shall be great tribulation

We know for sure it's a man that stands in the holy place:

2 thes 2:3.....and that man of sin be revealed

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

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No one has ever stood in the holy place that we have SEEN and declared he is god - yet!!

When we are told to understand something - I believe it's a life changing event.

As I've mentioned in the past, when we SEE the AC stand in the holy place - the great tribulation begins. We were told to understand this.

When the great tribulation happens people will not be able to buy or sell anything without the mark of the beast; meaning you won't eat unless you take the mark of the beast. It also means you lose your salvation forever.

I'd say that's a life changing event.

Not only that - if you refuse the mark - you face the guillotine.

Revelation 14

Revelation chapter 14 begins with the Lamb standing on Mount Zion and with Him 144,000 having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.

These people will have a special mission on earth:

Mathew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

They may already be here - because we aren't told when they start spreading the gospel.

Besides the 144,000 on Mt Sion we see there is a Lamb - who has his father's name written on his forehead.

Jesus is referred to as 'The Lamb' throughout all scripture. Therefore, we know it's Jesus.

One question here is - why does he have his father's name written on his forehead?

Is this re-inforcing this verse:

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen

I wonder if Jesus statement in the gospel of Matthew 12:25 is related to the his statement from Matthew 12:25? The key words found in both are DESOLATION and STAND.

In one he is talking about a person causing these two things to be where they should not. And in the other he is taking about the place where these two things bring about terrifying results.

Are they connected?

You gave the same verses to compare.

Was there another?

Are you referring to this verse in Mathew 24?

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

When the antichrist stands in the holy place - he is possessed by satan....

This author believes there are 2 groups of 144,000

One in Rev 14 and the other in Rev 7:

The identity of this group of 144,000 subjects has for some reason eluded many outstanding Bible scholars. Most commentators have a tendency to assume that they are identical with the 144,000 described in chapter 7. 144,000 Therefore we must examine them in detail.

The Similarities of the Two Groups: Two basic reasons are usually advanced for considering the two groups similar:

Both groups total 144,000, and
Both groups have something written on their foreheads.

The Differences of the Two Groups: Far more important, however, are the differences between the two groups:

The Revelation 7 group is specifically Jewish, 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes. The Revelation 14 group comes "from the earth" or "from among men."

The Revelation 7 group is sealed with the Father's seal. The Revelation 14 group has the name of both the Father and the Son....

[link to www.discoverrevelation.com]

Here is a commentary that believes the 144,000 in rev 7 and 14 are the same group:

Are the 144,000 of Revelation 7 the same as the 144,000 portrayed in Revelation 14?

I believe they are. Why would the book introduce us to a totally different group of 144,000 people without telling us so?

[link to christinprophecy.org]

Another point of contention is Mt Sion.

The debate is whether Mt Sion is in heaven or Jerusalem:

The Lamb On Mount Zion - Rev. Herman Hoeksema


A Symbol Of Power And Authority

If this is clear, it will not be difficult to understand the meaning of this entire picture in detail.

But different it is with regard to Mt. Sion. Interpreters differ widely when they come to explain this figure.

As we have already mentioned, there are some who take it in the literal sense of the word, not as a symbol but as the literal Mt. Sion in Jerusalem, and then explain that Christ during the days of Antichrist shall stand on that mount.

But the symbolic nature of the entire passage, as we have already observed, is against this interpretation. It will not do to separate one element from all the rest and to explain it in the literal sense of the word. There are others who maintain that Sion is heavenly Jerusalem.

But this is impossible because of the context. We read that as the Lamb stands with His people on Mt. Sion, a voice is heard from heaven, clearly indicating that Mt. Sion is on earth. Still others claim that Mt. Sion is the symbol of the church invisible on earth. And this is perfectly allowable as such, for Mt. Sion appears in Scripture as the church of Christ.

Only the contents of this passage are all against this interpretation. If Mt. Sion is the church, what then must we make of the one hundred forty-four thousand? They are evidently the church of the living God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

But if they are, then Mt. Sion cannot mean the same thing. And therefore, we feel compelled to discard all these interpretations and to look for something else....

[link to spindleworks.com]

Nice. It is getting deep up in here. :)

IMO the next few verses give the impression that Mt Sion is in heaven:

Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

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It appears the 144,000 were being taught a song by a group that was before the throne of God.

Very sound, OP. Nice.

Thank you

The new song is the Testimony.

Rev 14:3.....no man could learn that song

The question here is - why can't we learn the song?

Is it because we can't hear it or it's a language the angels teach them - that is not spoken on earth?

Will we recognize the 144,000 by this song that we can't learn?

Why are they given a song we can't learn?

Interesting....

In these first few verses we have:

The 144,000 were redeemed from the earth; redeemed from men and were the first fruits unto God and the lamb.

Does this mean they were raptured?

I don't think so.

The definition of rapture as I understand it is - you go to heaven and never return.



From the looks of it - the 144,000 go to heaven - receive the holy gospel, and return to earth to preach it.

This is not unheard of

We have Paul's experience:


2 Corinthians 12:2 (KJV)
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

"Not by might,nor by power,but by my spirit" (Zachariah4:6)

"The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely." (Revelation 22:17)

The 144,000 is a remnant of the bride.They will be the temples of the Lord who's spirit will draw people in.
Remember that the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus?

I've never needed the full testimony to be saved.

Lot's of Godtards in here.

Biblebashers...

I love it.