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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75832089  United States01/15/2018 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75964014 I'm not saying the antichrist isn't involved in the gog magog war - because I do believe there are 2 leaders here. But at this point - we wouldn't know he's the antichrist - because his identity is not revealed until he defiles the temple and declares he's greater than God. It's controversial whether satan is gog. The argument is satan and gog are one. There is no reason why satan can't control gog - the same way he controls the antichrist. Meaning they are not one in the same - but 2 separate critters. With gog representing a leader A question I have for Rev 20 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea Is - satan goes out to deceive the nations of the earth, and out of nowhere inserts the names gog and magog. It's commonly believed it's because these are enemies of the kingdom - but so are all the nations satan deceived. This could be interpreted many ways - and is. Most say gog and magog are just countries. Some read it to say - satan deceived the nations, deceived gog, and deceived magog. Of course there is a very significant reason God placed them in this verse - and it will probably be debated til the end of the millenia. However as one person said - The names/terms of associated with Gog and Magog are in question. Much of the biblical documentation is in Ezekiel (Ezek. 38-39). One last thing, let's examine these verses from Revelation 19 and Ezekiel 39: Revelation 19:17-19 – Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Ezekiel 39:17-22 – come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD. These verses lead many to believe there are 2 separate wars in Ezekiel - gog magog and Armageddon. The phrase "that ye may" in both Rev 19 and Eze 39 point to a future event |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75904025 United States01/17/2018 06:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76109193 It's controversial whether satan is gog. The argument is satan and gog are one. There is no reason why satan can't control gog - the same way he controls the antichrist. Meaning they are not one in the same - but 2 separate critters. With gog representing a leader A question I have for Rev 20 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea Is - satan goes out to deceive the nations of the earth, and out of nowhere inserts the names gog and magog. It's commonly believed it's because these are enemies of the kingdom - but so are all the nations satan deceived. This could be interpreted many ways - and is. Most say gog and magog are just countries. Some read it to say - satan deceived the nations, deceived gog, and deceived magog. Of course there is a very significant reason God placed them in this verse - and it will probably be debated til the end of the millenia. However as one person said - The names/terms of associated with Gog and Magog are in question. Much of the biblical documentation is in Ezekiel (Ezek. 38-39). One last thing, let's examine these verses from Revelation 19 and Ezekiel 39: Revelation 19:17-19 – Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Ezekiel 39:17-22 – come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD. These verses lead many to believe there are 2 separate wars in Ezekiel - gog magog and Armageddon. The phrase "that ye may" in both Rev 19 and Eze 39 point to a future event What we may have in Ezekiel 39 is a duality in time. The words all men of war seem to suggest just that. Based on this verse: Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. It appears to make necessary the fact that Ezekiel must also be a current event. I've gone over Daniel in a prior post and it states briefly, that Israel must pay for her sins and God forgives them. Therefore all after Ezekiel 39:22 cannot be futuristic. I'll explain why. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75904025 United States01/17/2018 07:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76109193 A question I have for Rev 20 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea Is - satan goes out to deceive the nations of the earth, and out of nowhere inserts the names gog and magog. It's commonly believed it's because these are enemies of the kingdom - but so are all the nations satan deceived. This could be interpreted many ways - and is. Most say gog and magog are just countries. Some read it to say - satan deceived the nations, deceived gog, and deceived magog. Of course there is a very significant reason God placed them in this verse - and it will probably be debated til the end of the millenia. However as one person said - The names/terms of associated with Gog and Magog are in question. Much of the biblical documentation is in Ezekiel (Ezek. 38-39). One last thing, let's examine these verses from Revelation 19 and Ezekiel 39: Revelation 19:17-19 – Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Ezekiel 39:17-22 – come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD. These verses lead many to believe there are 2 separate wars in Ezekiel - gog magog and Armageddon. The phrase "that ye may" in both Rev 19 and Eze 39 point to a future event What we may have in Ezekiel 39 is a duality in time. The words all men of war seem to suggest just that. Based on this verse: Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. It appears to make necessary the fact that Ezekiel must also be a current event. I've gone over Daniel in a prior post and it states briefly, that Israel must pay for her sins and God forgives them. Therefore all after Ezekiel 39:22 cannot be futuristic. I'll explain why. But first I want to show why I think Ezekiel 39 has a dual purpose; In Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up....2 ...I will also gather all nations (in the war of armageddon) In Ezekiel 39:20 ...all men of war - meaning the men involved in the gog magog war And in Rev 19 - flesh of all men (in the war of armageddon). Therefore, we have a futuristic look at the war of armageddon in Ezekiel 39; however, it remains current - because the antichrist can't be revealed until after the gog magog war: Hence: Dan 8:23 when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up - the antichrist. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76134854 United States01/18/2018 06:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76113332 One last thing, let's examine these verses from Revelation 19 and Ezekiel 39: Revelation 19:17-19 – Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Ezekiel 39:17-22 – come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD. These verses lead many to believe there are 2 separate wars in Ezekiel - gog magog and Armageddon. The phrase "that ye may" in both Rev 19 and Eze 39 point to a future event What we may have in Ezekiel 39 is a duality in time. The words all men of war seem to suggest just that. Based on this verse: Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. It appears to make necessary the fact that Ezekiel must also be a current event. I've gone over Daniel in a prior post and it states briefly, that Israel must pay for her sins and God forgives them. Therefore all after Ezekiel 39:22 cannot be futuristic. I'll explain why. But first I want to show why I think Ezekiel 39 has a dual purpose; In Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up....2 ...I will also gather all nations (in the war of armageddon) In Ezekiel 39:20 ...all men of war - meaning the men involved in the gog magog war And in Rev 19 - flesh of all men (in the war of armageddon). Therefore, we have a futuristic look at the war of armageddon in Ezekiel 39; however, it remains current - because the antichrist can't be revealed until after the gog magog war: Hence: Dan 8:23 when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up - the antichrist. Please follow along with Daniel 8:23 Israelis are the trangressors - Ezekiel 39:23 ...they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies... verse 22 - after the gog magog war - They know that God is the Lord from that day forward Now the trespassers have come to the full God forgives them and no longer hides his face from them Next, the antichrist will stand up - Daniel 8:23 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76134854 United States01/18/2018 06:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75832089 The phrase "that ye may" in both Rev 19 and Eze 39 point to a future event What we may have in Ezekiel 39 is a duality in time. The words all men of war seem to suggest just that. Based on this verse: Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. It appears to make necessary the fact that Ezekiel must also be a current event. I've gone over Daniel in a prior post and it states briefly, that Israel must pay for her sins and God forgives them. Therefore all after Ezekiel 39:22 cannot be futuristic. I'll explain why. But first I want to show why I think Ezekiel 39 has a dual purpose; In Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up....2 ...I will also gather all nations (in the war of armageddon) In Ezekiel 39:20 ...all men of war - meaning the men involved in the gog magog war And in Rev 19 - flesh of all men (in the war of armageddon). Therefore, we have a futuristic look at the war of armageddon in Ezekiel 39; however, it remains current - because the antichrist can't be revealed until after the gog magog war: Hence: Dan 8:23 when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up - the antichrist. Please follow along with Daniel 8:23 Israelis are the trangressors - Ezekiel 39:23 ...they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies... verse 22 - after the gog magog war - They know that God is the Lord from that day forward Now the trespassers have come to the full God forgives them and no longer hides his face from them Next, the antichrist will stand up - Daniel 8:23 Once the antichrist stands up - the great tribulation will start Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. This is where Joel 3 also starts.... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76144153 United States01/20/2018 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75904025 What we may have in Ezekiel 39 is a duality in time. The words all men of war seem to suggest just that. Based on this verse: Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. It appears to make necessary the fact that Ezekiel must also be a current event. I've gone over Daniel in a prior post and it states briefly, that Israel must pay for her sins and God forgives them. Therefore all after Ezekiel 39:22 cannot be futuristic. I'll explain why. But first I want to show why I think Ezekiel 39 has a dual purpose; In Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up....2 ...I will also gather all nations (in the war of armageddon) In Ezekiel 39:20 ...all men of war - meaning the men involved in the gog magog war And in Rev 19 - flesh of all men (in the war of armageddon). Therefore, we have a futuristic look at the war of armageddon in Ezekiel 39; however, it remains current - because the antichrist can't be revealed until after the gog magog war: Hence: Dan 8:23 when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up - the antichrist. Please follow along with Daniel 8:23 Israelis are the trangressors - Ezekiel 39:23 ...they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies... verse 22 - after the gog magog war - They know that God is the Lord from that day forward Now the trespassers have come to the full God forgives them and no longer hides his face from them Next, the antichrist will stand up - Daniel 8:23 Once the antichrist stands up - the great tribulation will start Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. This is where Joel 3 also starts.... Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: 10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. 11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord. 12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. 13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. --- Prepare for the war of armageddon |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76164081 United States01/24/2018 05:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75904025 But first I want to show why I think Ezekiel 39 has a dual purpose; In Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up....2 ...I will also gather all nations (in the war of armageddon) In Ezekiel 39:20 ...all men of war - meaning the men involved in the gog magog war And in Rev 19 - flesh of all men (in the war of armageddon). Therefore, we have a futuristic look at the war of armageddon in Ezekiel 39; however, it remains current - because the antichrist can't be revealed until after the gog magog war: Hence: Dan 8:23 when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up - the antichrist. Please follow along with Daniel 8:23 Israelis are the trangressors - Ezekiel 39:23 ...they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies... verse 22 - after the gog magog war - They know that God is the Lord from that day forward Now the trespassers have come to the full God forgives them and no longer hides his face from them Next, the antichrist will stand up - Daniel 8:23 Once the antichrist stands up - the great tribulation will start Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. This is where Joel 3 also starts.... Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: 10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. 11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord. 12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. 13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. --- Prepare for the war of armageddon More verses which lend support to Revelation 19:17-19 also taking place in the time frame following the gog magog war: Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them. 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward. --- God is telling us we will literally be watching this punishment of the heathen. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76164081 United States01/24/2018 06:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76134854 Please follow along with Daniel 8:23 Israelis are the trangressors - Ezekiel 39:23 ...they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies... verse 22 - after the gog magog war - They know that God is the Lord from that day forward Now the trespassers have come to the full God forgives them and no longer hides his face from them Next, the antichrist will stand up - Daniel 8:23 Once the antichrist stands up - the great tribulation will start Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. This is where Joel 3 also starts.... Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: 10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. 11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord. 12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. 13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. --- Prepare for the war of armageddon More verses which lend support to Ezekiel 39:17-22 also taking place in the time frame following the gog magog war: Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them. 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward. --- God is telling us we will literally be watching this punishment of the heathen. oops - made a correction to the post above. More verses which lends support to Ezekiel 39:17-22 happening immediately after the gog magog war, as well as futuristic: Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them. 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward. --- God is telling us we will literally be watching this punishment of the heathen. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76164081 United States01/24/2018 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75964014 I'm not saying the antichrist isn't involved in the gog magog war - because I do believe there are 2 leaders here. But at this point - we wouldn't know he's the antichrist - because his identity is not revealed until he defiles the temple and declares he's greater than God. It's controversial whether satan is gog. The argument is satan and gog are one. There is no reason why satan can't control gog - the same way he controls the antichrist. Meaning they are not one in the same - but 2 separate critters. With gog representing a leader A question I have for Rev 20 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea Is - satan goes out to deceive the nations of the earth, and out of nowhere inserts the names gog and magog. It's commonly believed it's because these are enemies of the kingdom - but so are all the nations satan deceived. This could be interpreted many ways - and is. Most say gog and magog are just countries. Some read it to say - satan deceived the nations, deceived gog, and deceived magog. Of course there is a very significant reason God placed them in this verse - and it will probably be debated til the end of the millenia. However as one person said - The names/terms of associated with Gog and Magog are in question. Much of the biblical documentation is in Ezekiel (Ezek. 38-39). One last thing, let's examine these verses from Revelation 19 and Ezekiel 39: Revelation 19:17-19 – Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Ezekiel 39:17-22 – come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD. These verses lead many to believe there are 2 separate wars in Ezekiel - gog magog and Armageddon. This author is of the opinion Ezekiel 39 is armageddon: [link to www.tribulation101.com] Citing both the Revelation 19:17-19 and Ezekiel 39:17-20 verses posted. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76172536 United States01/26/2018 06:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Answers to the most frequently asked questions about the “War of Gog & Magog.” [link to flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com (secure)] Also, Joel does a Part 3 series on what is the gog magog war. Links are after the Questions, answers section. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76180222 United States01/28/2018 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76109193 It's controversial whether satan is gog. The argument is satan and gog are one. There is no reason why satan can't control gog - the same way he controls the antichrist. Meaning they are not one in the same - but 2 separate critters. With gog representing a leader A question I have for Rev 20 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea Is - satan goes out to deceive the nations of the earth, and out of nowhere inserts the names gog and magog. It's commonly believed it's because these are enemies of the kingdom - but so are all the nations satan deceived. This could be interpreted many ways - and is. Most say gog and magog are just countries. Some read it to say - satan deceived the nations, deceived gog, and deceived magog. Of course there is a very significant reason God placed them in this verse - and it will probably be debated til the end of the millenia. However as one person said - The names/terms of associated with Gog and Magog are in question. Much of the biblical documentation is in Ezekiel (Ezek. 38-39). One last thing, let's examine these verses from Revelation 19 and Ezekiel 39: Revelation 19:17-19 – Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Ezekiel 39:17-22 – come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD. These verses lead many to believe there are 2 separate wars in Ezekiel - gog magog and Armageddon. This author is of the opinion Ezekiel 39 is armageddon: [link to www.tribulation101.com] Citing both the Revelation 19:17-19 and Ezekiel 39:17-20 verses posted. I've given a brief description of what I've posted on the gog magog war, stating that the only verses that come close to this war in Daniel 11 are verses 25 & 26; where in 26 it essentially says in my opinion these forces turn on one another as they do in the gog magog war: Thread: Prophecies Jesus gave in Mathew 24 and Revevelation require internet and smartphone (Page 54) The next verse I would like to look at in Daniel 11 is: 28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. --- As I speculated the antichrist may be involved in the gog magog war - but we don't know he's the antichrist. He's the only one to gain from this war and returns seeks revenge on God and the holy people for what happened in the mountains of Israel. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76184130 United States01/29/2018 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76109193 A question I have for Rev 20 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea Is - satan goes out to deceive the nations of the earth, and out of nowhere inserts the names gog and magog. It's commonly believed it's because these are enemies of the kingdom - but so are all the nations satan deceived. This could be interpreted many ways - and is. Most say gog and magog are just countries. Some read it to say - satan deceived the nations, deceived gog, and deceived magog. Of course there is a very significant reason God placed them in this verse - and it will probably be debated til the end of the millenia. However as one person said - The names/terms of associated with Gog and Magog are in question. Much of the biblical documentation is in Ezekiel (Ezek. 38-39). One last thing, let's examine these verses from Revelation 19 and Ezekiel 39: Revelation 19:17-19 – Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Ezekiel 39:17-22 – come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD. These verses lead many to believe there are 2 separate wars in Ezekiel - gog magog and Armageddon. This author is of the opinion Ezekiel 39 is armageddon: [link to www.tribulation101.com] Citing both the Revelation 19:17-19 and Ezekiel 39:17-20 verses posted. I've given a brief description of what I've posted on the gog magog war, stating that the only verses that come close to this war in Daniel 11 are verses 25 & 26; where in 26 it essentially says in my opinion these forces turn on one another as they do in the gog magog war: Thread: Prophecies Jesus gave in Mathew 24 and Revevelation require internet and smartphone (Page 54) The next verse I would like to look at in Daniel 11 is: 28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. --- As I speculated the antichrist may be involved in the gog magog war - but we don't know he's the antichrist. He's the only one to gain from this war and returns seeks revenge on God and the holy people for what happened in the mountains of Israel. Dan 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. He may have a new title as a leader - also, could possibly be the time that he gives his soul to satan; and receives power from satan. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76188597 United States01/30/2018 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76113332 One last thing, let's examine these verses from Revelation 19 and Ezekiel 39: Revelation 19:17-19 – Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. Ezekiel 39:17-22 – come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD. These verses lead many to believe there are 2 separate wars in Ezekiel - gog magog and Armageddon. This author is of the opinion Ezekiel 39 is armageddon: [link to www.tribulation101.com] Citing both the Revelation 19:17-19 and Ezekiel 39:17-20 verses posted. I've given a brief description of what I've posted on the gog magog war, stating that the only verses that come close to this war in Daniel 11 are verses 25 & 26; where in 26 it essentially says in my opinion these forces turn on one another as they do in the gog magog war: Thread: Prophecies Jesus gave in Mathew 24 and Revevelation require internet and smartphone (Page 54) The next verse I would like to look at in Daniel 11 is: 28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. --- As I speculated the antichrist may be involved in the gog magog war - but we don't know he's the antichrist. He's the only one to gain from this war and returns seeks revenge on God and the holy people for what happened in the mountains of Israel. Dan 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. He may have a new title as a leader - also, could possibly be the time that he gives his soul to satan; and receives power from satan. Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. --- His anger at God will be considerable - and he'll seek to form alliances against the Jewish people |
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 User ID: 2348505 United States01/30/2018 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP forgot the part where the entire world will not know till it happens. regardless of all these signs also. So you are wrong in this entire thing. Not even you will know when it's the time. You can guess all day long. It can come at a time of world peace ...everyone getting a long. nations working together...but they leave out god and erase religion. That is the time where the world will forget god...not now. Its perfect...false world salvation by the anti-Christ. What better way to trick all of mankind to follow a false profit and forget the real god. We won't see the end, we will just see the first few stages of the end. It's not going to happen quickly. We are just frogs in a pot that's slowly boiling right now. We have no idea we are being cooked (mankind itself) For the end to come, requires the world to forget jeesus and worship the antichrist...be it directly or indirectly with ignorance. We are screwed, without faith. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75260574 United States01/31/2018 06:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP forgot the part where the entire world will not know till it happens. regardless of all these signs also. Quoting: Deadfrog So you are wrong in this entire thing. Not even you will know when it's the time. You can guess all day long. It can come at a time of world peace ...everyone getting a long. nations working together...but they leave out god and erase religion. That is the time where the world will forget god...not now. Its perfect...false world salvation by the anti-Christ. What better way to trick all of mankind to follow a false profit and forget the real god. We won't see the end, we will just see the first few stages of the end. It's not going to happen quickly. We are just frogs in a pot that's slowly boiling right now. We have no idea we are being cooked (mankind itself) For the end to come, requires the world to forget jeesus and worship the antichrist...be it directly or indirectly with ignorance. You are quite right - we are being cooked - satan is doing the cooking. And Jesus said - to the ignorant pharisees paraphrasing: If you 'really' knew your scriptures - you would know who I am Ergo - we are told to 'watch' and not be caught unaware. Sure, we don't know the exact day - but we do know the season. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 7 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75260574 United States01/31/2018 06:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP forgot the part where the entire world will not know till it happens. regardless of all these signs also. Quoting: Deadfrog So you are wrong in this entire thing. Not even you will know when it's the time. You can guess all day long. It can come at a time of world peace ...everyone getting a long. nations working together...but they leave out god and erase religion. That is the time where the world will forget god...not now. Its perfect...false world salvation by the anti-Christ. What better way to trick all of mankind to follow a false profit and forget the real god. We won't see the end, we will just see the first few stages of the end. It's not going to happen quickly. We are just frogs in a pot that's slowly boiling right now. We have no idea we are being cooked (mankind itself) For the end to come, requires the world to forget jeesus and worship the antichrist...be it directly or indirectly with ignorance. You are quite right - we are being cooked - satan is doing the cooking. And Jesus said - to the ignorant pharisees paraphrasing: If you 'really' knew your scriptures - you would know who I am Ergo - we are told to 'watch' and not be caught unaware. Sure, we don't know the exact day - but we do know the season. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 7 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. These Israelis who are smart enough to flee into the mountains - will be the ones who know their scriptures. Others will stay and be slaughtered like sheep.(Zechariah 14:2) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75260574 United States01/31/2018 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP forgot the part where the entire world will not know till it happens. regardless of all these signs also. Quoting: Deadfrog So you are wrong in this entire thing. Not even you will know when it's the time. You can guess all day long. It can come at a time of world peace ...everyone getting a long. nations working together...but they leave out god and erase religion. That is the time where the world will forget god...not now. Its perfect...false world salvation by the anti-Christ. What better way to trick all of mankind to follow a false profit and forget the real god. We won't see the end, we will just see the first few stages of the end. It's not going to happen quickly. We are just frogs in a pot that's slowly boiling right now. We have no idea we are being cooked (mankind itself) For the end to come, requires the world to forget jeesus and worship the antichrist...be it directly or indirectly with ignorance. You are quite right - we are being cooked - satan is doing the cooking. And Jesus said - to the ignorant pharisees paraphrasing: If you 'really' knew your scriptures - you would know who I am Ergo - we are told to 'watch' and not be caught unaware. Sure, we don't know the exact day - but we do know the season. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 7 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. These Israelis who are smart enough to flee into the mountains - will be the ones who know their scriptures. Others will stay and be slaughtered like sheep.(Zechariah 14:2) There's a tremendous amount of speculation on where they will flee to. Zechariah 14 - may give us some clues: In Zechariah, not only are the Israelis told to flee - but according to this author Jesus splits the mountains for them to escape to safetly; stating Zechariah obviously expects us to connect this event to the Exodus and this is why the prophecy is written in the way it is; From SamuelWhitefield Small excerpt: In the Exodus, Moses stood and stretched out his hands over the sea to initiate the divine act of deliverance. In Zechariah, the Lord stands on the mountain overlooking the city to deliver His people. In the Exodus, a sea was split. In Zechariah a mountain is split. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76201505 United States02/02/2018 05:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP forgot the part where the entire world will not know till it happens. regardless of all these signs also. Quoting: Deadfrog So you are wrong in this entire thing. Not even you will know when it's the time. You can guess all day long. It can come at a time of world peace ...everyone getting a long. nations working together...but they leave out god and erase religion. That is the time where the world will forget god...not now. Its perfect...false world salvation by the anti-Christ. What better way to trick all of mankind to follow a false profit and forget the real god. We won't see the end, we will just see the first few stages of the end. It's not going to happen quickly. We are just frogs in a pot that's slowly boiling right now. We have no idea we are being cooked (mankind itself) For the end to come, requires the world to forget jeesus and worship the antichrist...be it directly or indirectly with ignorance. You are quite right - we are being cooked - satan is doing the cooking. And Jesus said - to the ignorant pharisees paraphrasing: If you 'really' knew your scriptures - you would know who I am Ergo - we are told to 'watch' and not be caught unaware. Sure, we don't know the exact day - but we do know the season. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 7 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. These Israelis who are smart enough to flee into the mountains - will be the ones who know their scriptures. Others will stay and be slaughtered like sheep.(Zechariah 14:2) There's a tremendous amount of speculation on where they will flee to. Zechariah 14 - may give us some clues: In Zechariah, not only are the Israelis told to flee - but according to this author Jesus splits the mountains for them to escape to safetly; stating Zechariah obviously expects us to connect this event to the Exodus and this is why the prophecy is written in the way it is; From SamuelWhitefield Small excerpt: In the Exodus, Moses stood and stretched out his hands over the sea to initiate the divine act of deliverance. In Zechariah, the Lord stands on the mountain overlooking the city to deliver His people. In the Exodus, a sea was split. In Zechariah a mountain is split. Here are the pertinent verses in Matthew 24 - in case someone hasn't read them, and is wondering where does it say to flee to the mountains: 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75202357 United States02/03/2018 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76164081 This author is of the opinion Ezekiel 39 is armageddon: [link to www.tribulation101.com] Citing both the Revelation 19:17-19 and Ezekiel 39:17-20 verses posted. I've given a brief description of what I've posted on the gog magog war, stating that the only verses that come close to this war in Daniel 11 are verses 25 & 26; where in 26 it essentially says in my opinion these forces turn on one another as they do in the gog magog war: Thread: Prophecies Jesus gave in Mathew 24 and Revevelation require internet and smartphone (Page 54) The next verse I would like to look at in Daniel 11 is: 28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. --- As I speculated the antichrist may be involved in the gog magog war - but we don't know he's the antichrist. He's the only one to gain from this war and returns seeks revenge on God and the holy people for what happened in the mountains of Israel. Dan 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. He may have a new title as a leader - also, could possibly be the time that he gives his soul to satan; and receives power from satan. Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. --- His anger at God will be considerable - and he'll seek to form alliances against the Jewish people Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. --- Most of us are familiar with the antichrist defiling the temple. Here in Dan 11:31 - we see his army polluting the 'holy place' and stopping the priests from sacrificing animals. Then that moment arrives - the antichrist declares to the world he is god. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76213472 United States02/05/2018 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76180222 I've given a brief description of what I've posted on the gog magog war, stating that the only verses that come close to this war in Daniel 11 are verses 25 & 26; where in 26 it essentially says in my opinion these forces turn on one another as they do in the gog magog war: Thread: Prophecies Jesus gave in Mathew 24 and Revevelation require internet and smartphone (Page 54) The next verse I would like to look at in Daniel 11 is: 28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. --- As I speculated the antichrist may be involved in the gog magog war - but we don't know he's the antichrist. He's the only one to gain from this war and returns seeks revenge on God and the holy people for what happened in the mountains of Israel. Dan 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. He may have a new title as a leader - also, could possibly be the time that he gives his soul to satan; and receives power from satan. Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. --- His anger at God will be considerable - and he'll seek to form alliances against the Jewish people Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. --- Most of us are familiar with the antichrist defiling the temple. Here in Dan 11:31 - we see his army polluting the 'holy place' and stopping the priests from sacrificing animals. Then that moment arrives - the antichrist declares to the world he is god. How do we know it's the 'end times' antichrist and not Antiochus epiphanes? Because Daniel 12 tells us it is - and 2 Thess 2 substantiates it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76217526 United States02/06/2018 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76184130 Dan 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. He may have a new title as a leader - also, could possibly be the time that he gives his soul to satan; and receives power from satan. Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. --- His anger at God will be considerable - and he'll seek to form alliances against the Jewish people Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. --- Most of us are familiar with the antichrist defiling the temple. Here in Dan 11:31 - we see his army polluting the 'holy place' and stopping the priests from sacrificing animals. Then that moment arrives - the antichrist declares to the world he is god. How do we know it's the 'end times' antichrist and not Antiochus epiphanes? Because Daniel 12 tells us it is - and 2 Thess 2 substantiates it. 2 Thessalonians 2 kjv 4...he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ----- This has never happened!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76221671 United States02/07/2018 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76188597 Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. --- His anger at God will be considerable - and he'll seek to form alliances against the Jewish people Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. --- Most of us are familiar with the antichrist defiling the temple. Here in Dan 11:31 - we see his army polluting the 'holy place' and stopping the priests from sacrificing animals. Then that moment arrives - the antichrist declares to the world he is god. How do we know it's the 'end times' antichrist and not Antiochus epiphanes? Because Daniel 12 tells us it is - and 2 Thess 2 substantiates it. 2 Thessalonians 2 kjv 4...he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. ----- This has never happened!! Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. |
