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| hankie
Everything  User ID: 77753356  United States04/21/2020 09:58 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is plan B if Q turns out to be a psyop? This worries me about the movement, so many people have placed all their eggs in this basket, to fix the broken system. unfortunately the Q narrative fits perfectly in elite narrative, it pacifies the demographic with the most guns while 5g goes up and vaccines and tracking tats are deployed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73886010 Seriously, what is the plan if Q does not work out? I have a hard time entrusting those who think I can not handle the truth with power. Really does not seem that different from what we already have, unfortunately. I share your concern about this. Brits are doing a good job burning down the 5g masts since they've been going up. I think that is great and hope we start doing the same. I like many people suffer from a constant ringing in my ears, often have pressure changes and very specific frequencies that are sent to either the left or the right ear. It makes it very difficult to sleep, I get headaches and am often very lethargic. I just do not like the idea of armed revolution to implement change as I am not sure that has worked out for anyone anywhere in the world at this point. Essentially if Q fails, that seems to be our only fall back and I do not see how that raises up mankind. If this really is a prison planet, how do we ever escape if we can never put war and murder behind us? Q has it all, and not only has it all, it already finished, but does also anyone understand that God said the NWO the way they are planning it will not happen? It will almost finish and some have already taken their mark, It already in for most people in a way, only not the way they planned to bring it totally in, and that ain't going to happen, they will find this out to their sorrow and pain for they have chosen the wrong path away from The Lord God. They also turned their backs on his Son which is not good, one thing is knowing and turning your back another is not really hearing it. Not everyone would be in the same things that are happening, think carefully on the years past and the things that have already happened, it is near the finish for us, it already finished by the Father of us all. Last Edited by hankie on 04/21/2020 10:02 PM Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73886010 United States04/21/2020 10:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is plan B if Q turns out to be a psyop? This worries me about the movement, so many people have placed all their eggs in this basket, to fix the broken system. unfortunately the Q narrative fits perfectly in elite narrative, it pacifies the demographic with the most guns while 5g goes up and vaccines and tracking tats are deployed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73886010 Seriously, what is the plan if Q does not work out? I have a hard time entrusting those who think I can not handle the truth with power. Really does not seem that different from what we already have, unfortunately. I share your concern about this. You prep for plan B, at this point you should at least know what that might entail and it ain't pretty, tough choices ahead of that's the case. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best... . Over the last couple of years I have vacillated but, the 2 year deltas do it for me. If Q is a psyop I don't think there is much anyone can do against folk who can seed the future with such a level of granularity that they can manipulate (even if it's *only* mass subduction), muddy the waters and poison the well for tens of millions of other folk 2 YEARS ahead of time. Well played. If Q is an op 'they' deserve to beat me even if it wasn't a fair fight. . Thank you, I appreciate your input. I can not help but think creating a new system for the benefit of all compliments Q if successful. If the WH's win, they certainly should not be against exploring options to elevate humanity. However on the other hand, if Q does not work out, it would be nice to be working towards another solution. I am sure I am uninterested in violence as I see it only promoting what we already have and I do not want to go down having done nothing, having not tried. The only way to win that sort of stacked against fight is with divine intervention and I fully believe if it is not directing the Q movement, it would be directing something such as this. |
| PiccoloGal
User ID: 76190053 United States04/21/2020 10:06 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to twitter.com (secure)] Quoting: The Natural One LotusOak @LotusOak2 A two-phase #STUDY provided new evidence supporting an association between #Thimerosal-containing #vaccines & the subsequent risk of #AUTISM diagnosis in the US [link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)] Thimerosal is still in multi-dose #Flu #vaccines. #LearnTheRisk #ASD #FluShot #VaccineInjury 6:40 AM · Apr 21, 2020 I had a severe reaction to thimerosal when I was in high school. A few years ago as docs continued to push the flu vacine, I went to the CDC website and did some digging. At that time they were claiming that some of the flu vaccines did not have thimerosal. Then I found that they claimed that because they changed the threshold of reporting. i.e., it was still there, but they were not required to report it if it was less than a number they made up. PLUS, IF you have a bad reaction to the vaccine, there is NOBODY AND NOONE TO Take to court. They are immune to lawsuits.... A lawsuit against Congress is in order, they pasted the exemption and so the Supreme Court can do away with it. I do believe singling out one group for special treatment in lawsuits can be fought and also it forced on people who are not given their constitutional rights against grievances, the states and the federal gov. are pushing something against people and it can hurt them. How can you have rights against your personhood if they force and keep the one who harms you protected? That would be interdasting. Suing congress! Wonder if anyone’s ever tried that before? Lord knows they deserve it and perhaps it would smack ‘em hard enough they might even start working for us like they’re supposed to. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76971092 United States04/21/2020 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wish I knew how to parse quotes or delete all but the most recent reply on here. Quoting: Philly Special The CIA and FBI are also problems, I never intended that term limits is the only fix needed, but it'd be a great start. I truly believe that JFK was killed because he intended to take down the CIA. They've been too powerful for too long. Hi Philly, to quote specific text you can c/p the section you want to quote and then add in (insert text here) Quoting: I agree, the secret services and societies are a huge problem with the current system as are banks, businesses, many non profits, etc etc etc. Big brother's tentacles reach far and deep, one of the reasons I cant help but think it would be easier to just start over by building something from the ground up that truly gives the power back to the people. Do you think the founding fathers would approve of representatives if they had the internet? Has any democracy or representative form of government really considered the needed for elected officials since the internet came along? Do you think the black hat deep state folks have no intentions of using the internet as some form of control at some point? oops the commands are {quote:} and {/quote} but instead of the {} chars use []. Hope this makes sense and helps. I think that is great and hope we start doing the same. I like many people suffer from a constant ringing in my ears, often have pressure changes and very specific frequencies that are sent to either the left or the right ear. It makes it very difficult to sleep, I get headaches and am often very lethargic. I just do not like the idea of armed revolution to implement change as I am not sure that has worked out for anyone anywhere in the world at this point. Essentially if Q fails, that seems to be our only fall back and I do not see how that raises up mankind. If this really is a prison planet, how do we ever escape if we can never put war and murder behind us? Q has it all, and not only has it all, it already finished, but does also anyone understand that God said the NWO the way they are planning it will not happen? It will almost finish and some have already taken their mark, It already in for most people in a way, only not the way they planned to bring it totally in, and that ain't going to happen, they will find this out to their sorrow and pain for they have chosen the wrong path away from The Lord God. They also turned their backs on his Son which is not good, one thing is knowing and turning your back another is not really hearing it. Not everyone would be in the same things that are happening, think carefully on the years past and the things that have already happened, it is near the finish for us, it already finished by the Father of us all. Exactly, Then what happens? Biblically |
| hankie
Everything User ID: 77753356 United States04/21/2020 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: keybored Brits are doing a good job burning down the 5g masts since they've been going up. I think that is great and hope we start doing the same. I like many people suffer from a constant ringing in my ears, often have pressure changes and very specific frequencies that are sent to either the left or the right ear. It makes it very difficult to sleep, I get headaches and am often very lethargic. I just do not like the idea of armed revolution to implement change as I am not sure that has worked out for anyone anywhere in the world at this point. Essentially if Q fails, that seems to be our only fall back and I do not see how that raises up mankind. If this really is a prison planet, how do we ever escape if we can never put war and murder behind us? I hear the frequencies too. I have for years. Two and sometimes three at a time. It has a myriad of effects upon the body and can become quite debilitating, at times. I put myself through what you do to yourself, for years. In 2014 I wound up in the hosp 3 times in two months. I thought I was having Heart issues. I guess I was but it was in the way of horrible anxiety attacks. I had no idea they could be so serious. I kept the pressure on myself for years. Obama just about killed me. I finally had to just stop everything and isolate myself for a while. Your questions do not have a way to be neutralized. You will not allow a viable answer because you will continue to wonder what if. It is just how people, who yearn so much for justice and relief from the lack of such, push for the very thing they find so elusive. You are on the right track, and you are not alone, so stop flogging the dead horse. The answers come when you stop asking fear based questions. I still can't stop wishing and working toward goodness and understanding, I just don't let the lack of huge success make me crazy anymore. This is going to be a process ...... WOW< Ive been having the same problems as you two :( Severe ringing in head, worse at night. In fact last night was particularly bad, the ringing in head was so intense. It started for me when I was doing radiation last year, on the third week of the treatment it began. It seems to get particularly bad when Im tired. Its a horrible feeling and I cant seem to find any answers for it :( It more likely the magnetic field acting up, the resistance is way out there recently, I have no idea why it having these hits, it not sun doing it. I forget the name they call the earth field resistance it just all way out recently. It does affect our personal magnetic fields. Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
| PiccoloGal
User ID: 76190053 United States04/21/2020 10:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Holy hell...that's a lot of fuckin' birds. And I feel that's still underplaying it. It's going to be biblical. Q Common grackles.. long tail blackbirds. You see huge flocks across the south in migration season. Nothing earth shaking. Unless you’re running for cover and you get torpedoed with......  |
| hankie
Everything User ID: 77753356 United States04/21/2020 10:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OMG! I want that man in a full size poster over my bed!!! Do you think he likes women in their 50s? Having been in the military, if you got a pulse and can laugh at his morbid sense of humor you'll be good... ;) Thank you! And thank you for your service! Can you tell us ladies what those pieces are attached? One looks like a flashlight (left) that tube near shoulder looks like you blow in for a life preserver? What is the object on his right shoulder? Looks like an all-purpose type tool? I find men in uniform so stirring! Man, this is one of the fun things about the internet, people will say the dangest things at times. Don't stop or I can't laugh and it, not a bad way, it makes me realize people are normal, and normal things make me happy. Those guys are great. I not even looking for a man of any sort. I lost the only one I would even want after and long marriage. Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73886010 United States04/21/2020 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think that is great and hope we start doing the same. I like many people suffer from a constant ringing in my ears, often have pressure changes and very specific frequencies that are sent to either the left or the right ear. It makes it very difficult to sleep, I get headaches and am often very lethargic. I just do not like the idea of armed revolution to implement change as I am not sure that has worked out for anyone anywhere in the world at this point. Essentially if Q fails, that seems to be our only fall back and I do not see how that raises up mankind. If this really is a prison planet, how do we ever escape if we can never put war and murder behind us? Q has it all, and not only has it all, it already finished, but does also anyone understand that God said the NWO the way they are planning it will not happen? It will almost finish and some have already taken their mark, It already in for most people in a way, only not the way they planned to bring it totally in, and that ain't going to happen, they will find this out to their sorrow and pain for they have chosen the wrong path away from The Lord God. They also turned their backs on his Son which is not good, one thing is knowing and turning your back another is not really hearing it. Not everyone would be in the same things that are happening, think carefully on the years past and the things that have already happened, it is near the finish for us, it already finished by the Father of us all. Thanks again Hankie, I appreciate these words and again pray you are right. I posted a different response to this but it did not post for w/e reason so I am just going say thank you. |
| PiccoloGal
User ID: 76190053 United States04/21/2020 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OMG! I want that man in a full size poster over my bed!!! Do you think he likes women in their 50s? ... Quoting: Clair_Voyant How did me saying "outlaw political parties" and make them all independent, meaning NO F-ing parties, did you interpret that as a "one party state"??? Thought I was pretty clear...NO PARTIES (meaning none, zero) and no private dealing (punishable by imprisonment). All members can only act on their own behalf for their constituents. Thread: If you were to contribute to a new form of government, how would you like to see it structured. Unfortunately our constitutional republic has failed us as it has allowed evil in on both sides. I started this thread some time ago in hopes that people would come together to come up with idea(l)s for a new government. I can not stop asking myself, with the arrival of the internet, why do I need a representative? Personally I would like to see government that is grounded in wisdom, compassion and service to others and for the life of me, I do not see how that happens in our current forms of government. I would like to see government be something that lifts up humanity as a whole as opposed to what it does now and somehow it must be scale-able and optional. I have stated a few times on this forum but was always rebuffed that we need to take control of government ourselves by creating an alternative from the personal and local levels on up. We can not create it top down, nor can we use violence to achieve the objective as this will simply get us more of the same. Maybe someday folks will get fed up with the bread and circuses and decide to take control of their children's future. Our Republic did not fail, it was overtaken by criminals period, it has to be added to not overthrown. If it gets clean up, you put a heavy penalty on anyone who even looks sideways on doing what was done in the dark of night. I think the death penalty is what would work. Our constitution is with the states, not the federal government. You need to read the founding fathers and understand how it was set up. It is the confederation documents that are the true ruling documents signed by every state. The federal government has taken what does not belong to it. Say this, the World Congress was set up in DC with a new name CFR institute, the state told them to abolish that thing and they put it in under a different name, it caught the name by watching videos from their sight from a woman who was running and running way behind others who called them the World Congress. So, now you know the culprit and this is where they got their marching orders! All the member of the CFR was involved with this. Most are freemasons. Their counterpart in Great Britain is Chapman? house there. Rockefeller Foundation set up the CFR here with others, also the ones in Great Britain were in the group there which are the same groups. They also set up all the other things after WW2 as the UN and other groups involved in every country with their members. It is all about money and control of the people. What is plan B if Q turns out to be a psyop? This worries me about the movement, so many people have placed all their eggs in this basket, to fix the broken system. unfortunately the Q narrative fits perfectly in elite narrative, it pacifies the demographic with the most guns while 5g goes up and vaccines and tracking tats are deployed. Seriously, what is the plan if Q does not work out? I have a hard time entrusting those who think I can not handle the truth with power. Really does not seem that different from what we already have, unfortunately. Then we take our countries (plural since this is a world-wide problem) back the old fashioned way. Really. What other choice is there? |
| sinceBeforeQhadaName
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| Philly Special
User ID: 78738402 United States04/21/2020 10:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IMO it's a fools errand to even attempt such a thing. Obviously there are problems plaguing our country and it's governance. I think term limits is the best place to start. It's not the only measure to be taken, but hear me out. For that to happen, it will mean a constitutional convention of the states, and for them to vote on an amendment making it so. This will have a number of immediate impacts. First off, it would be a clear sign from the states that they are tired of being bullied by a small group of powerful people in DC. It will begin the process of getting back to a more limited federal government. It would encourage a shift back to states rights being the foundation of the republic. It would also shift the focus of the elected officials in DC. It would encourage them to spend their term(s) trying to get things done for their constituents and their state. And a limited time to do so. It would prevent any one senator or representative from becoming too powerful. It would stop one or two people from controlling committees, from gaining to much influence from lobbyists, etc. In short, it would be a paradigm shift back to what the founders envisioned and wrote. You can't govern 350 million people with good intentions and benevolence. Great ideas of a higher morality don't hold up to the realities of life. I mean communism on paper sounds like a great idea. Everything spread evenly between all the people. But we all know it doesn't work All this brings me back to why the Constitution is so important, why it is worth fighting and possibly dying for. They put in exactly the tools we need to fix the problems. They knew it wasn't perfect, and couldn't possibly account for all the possible problems. But it can be amended, and not by "the elites" in DC. That lower rests in the states. They gave us the 2nd amendment, so that we have a way to ensure that the other amendments are followed, or fight back if they aren't. We don't need a new system, we need to use the system we have to fix the problems caused by corrupt, career politicians that have turned themselves into oligarchs. |
| PiccoloGal
User ID: 76190053 United States04/21/2020 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | POTUS Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78648416 talking about US intelligence They told me plenty, they told me plenty :) I heard that. As he was finishing up he said something about some things that would be released tonight... I caught that too. I believe he was talking about his Executive Order on the temporary ban on immigration. He said it was being worked on by lawyers during the presser. |
| bcjams
User ID: 78109542 United States04/21/2020 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We will know one way or the other by November. If Trump loses and he gives over power then we will know it was larp. If he wins then we wait 4 more years for nothing then it was not larp but a plan to destroy america without firing a single shot.....Im beginning to think its a not a larp but well play cia plot to rule the world. they just destroyed our economy and ruined much or our middle class and so far Trump has not arrested anyone for it. He thinks we care about them spying on his election. I dont give two fucks about that. Not when they kill children and drink their blood and release blood clotting virus's on us. Last Edited by Hydromage on 04/21/2020 10:41 PM I control the water |
| hankie
Everything User ID: 77753356 United States04/21/2020 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wish I knew how to parse quotes or delete all but the most recent reply on here. Quoting: Philly Special The CIA and FBI are also problems, I never intended that term limits is the only fix needed, but it'd be a great start. I truly believe that JFK was killed because he intended to take down the CIA. They've been too powerful for too long. Hi Philly, to quote specific text you can c/p the section you want to quote and then add in (insert text here) Quoting: I agree, the secret services and societies are a huge problem with the current system as are banks, businesses, many non profits, etc etc etc. Big brother's tentacles reach far and deep, one of the reasons I cant help but think it would be easier to just start over by building something from the ground up that truly gives the power back to the people. Do you think the founding fathers would approve of representatives if they had the internet? Has any democracy or representative form of government really considered the needed for elected officials since the internet came along? Do you think the black hat deep state folks have no intentions of using the internet as some form of control at some point? If they do they are truly insane, the internet of things is the easiest to get rid of, this means physically get rid of, totally demolish their whole tie in. You can not control what is totally out of commission and if they start it, there is nothing to lose to take it out. There is good a reason no one really wants what they are selling except, for deluded people, and that would be fools. To be that way you do not understand what a real fool is and the true means. I going to give it to you, it mean they do not believe in the Lord God nor his Son Jesus, that the true meaning, that why I never call a person a fool, only actions make people fools and their mouths because it not what goes into your stomach, it what come into your brain and out of your mouth. Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
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| PiccoloGal
User ID: 76190053 United States04/21/2020 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: keybored Brits are doing a good job burning down the 5g masts since they've been going up. I think that is great and hope we start doing the same. I like many people suffer from a constant ringing in my ears, often have pressure changes and very specific frequencies that are sent to either the left or the right ear. It makes it very difficult to sleep, I get headaches and am often very lethargic. I just do not like the idea of armed revolution to implement change as I am not sure that has worked out for anyone anywhere in the world at this point. Essentially if Q fails, that seems to be our only fall back and I do not see how that raises up mankind. If this really is a prison planet, how do we ever escape if we can never put war and murder behind us? I hear the frequencies too. I have for years. Two and sometimes three at a time. It has a myriad of effects upon the body and can become quite debilitating, at times. I put myself through what you do to yourself, for years. In 2014 I wound up in the hosp 3 times in two months. I thought I was having Heart issues. I guess I was but it was in the way of horrible anxiety attacks. I had no idea they could be so serious. I kept the pressure on myself for years. Obama just about killed me. I finally had to just stop everything and isolate myself for a while. Your questions do not have a way to be neutralized. You will not allow a viable answer because you will continue to wonder what if. It is just how people, who yearn so much for justice and relief from the lack of such, push for the very thing they find so elusive. You are on the right track, and you are not alone, so stop flogging the dead horse. The answers come when you stop asking fear based questions. I still can't stop wishing and working toward goodness and understanding, I just don't let the lack of huge success make me crazy anymore. This is going to be a process ...... WOW< Ive been having the same problems as you two :( Severe ringing in head, worse at night. In fact last night was particularly bad, the ringing in head was so intense. It started for me when I was doing radiation last year, on the third week of the treatment it began. It seems to get particularly bad when Im tired. Its a horrible feeling and I cant seem to find any answers for it :( I got mine 40 years ago when working with a performing arts center outside of New York. We did a Bruce Springsteen concert and I couldn’t find earplugs anywhere in town. I hear ringing in octaves, especially after playing piccolo. If I’m up all night working, I hear music as if from a radio. The ringing is always there, always loud but I’ve learned to live with it after so many years. At night I use a fan for white noise. |
| Sol Neman
User ID: 78323132 United States04/21/2020 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Term limits are a bandaid fix. As our government was originally designed, term limits are unessesary. Quoting: Sol Neman The job of representing the republic shouldn't involve lifetime perks... No retirement, no benefits period... They should follow the same laws as the common folk. No insider trading, you should not get rich being in that job. As designed, you make your livelyhood in the private sector, you as a rep, represent your constituents for a few months in DC, pass some bills etc, then take your happy ass back to private sector until the next session, if you get reelected. Senators should be appointed by state legislature and can be recalled by said legislature immediately if your not representing your state as they thought you would. The job of representing your state was never meant to enrich you, it was meant to be a duty to your people period. Get rid of the perks, go back to original design. Hell they built the Capitol in the swamp because they (founders) wanted you to be miserable, get your job done, and get back to your daily life. As far as I'm concerned, we need to go back to senators being appointed by the state, reps remain as a popular vote. President pay = mean wage of country Senator pay = mean wage of your state Rep pay = mean wage of your district You want a pay raise, lift all boats! Pay for their travel expenses, but not first class, they can fly coach like the rest of us... They are not special! They can't afford a place to live, then they can stay in barracks, if it works for our troops it works for them. No retirement, PERIOD! Medical benefits are their responsibility. You are there to represent, NOT make a career of it! This is just the tip of the iceberg to get rid or at least minimize corruption. There's nothing wrong with our constitution or bill of rights, if they just stick to what's in there. Amendments beyond the 10th need to be looked at. You need to have skin in the game to vote, just because you have a pulse and can fill in a bubble does not inheritly qualify you to vote. Get the government out of all facets of life! Marriage is a religious practice... Leave it the fuck alone! Civil contracts should not be conflated with religious doctrine at all! Get out of education. Leave that to parents and their local community, if that causes a community to create a bunch of retards that can't think so be it! We always need low skilled workers. Kiss my ass with your it takes a village mentality. Unless you're a sheriff or US Marshal then your department is unconstitutional and needs to be abolished. End the war on drugs! Bring our troops home! Abolish DOE, IRS, DEA, FBI, ATF, EPA and every other fucking alaphbet agency out there, you're not needed not matter how many fucking statistics you lie to us with! tl;dr - take us back to constitutional law as originally intended and let's see how it can actually work, especially since we only got about 100 years under that system before it was hijacked. Apologies for grammar and spelling, I'm in a mobile device.  Much respect for this post. How do you get us from where we are today to this ideal? Your statement about not everyone being inherantly qualified to vote is similar to one I hold. However I would prefer a system that would raise everyone up so that at some point in the future, everyone could qualify for the full vote. Really interesting post, I would love for you to flush it out, if you desire. How do we get there from here? I don't have a good answer for how we get from here to there. Not peacefully anyway. Without an, as we are lead to believe, altruistic group such as Q, I do not see any way to get to what was originally intended without a large amount of violence. Regardless of how it happens, it will not be easy. There are way too many people that are unwilling to think outside their current mindset no matter what. Voting should require that you are an actual citizen, state issued ID to confirm this will suffice. The federal government's responsibilities include interstate commerce, therefore the federal government can choose recognize whether the state issued ID's meet proper guidelines to allow for interstate travel and commerce, if they do not meet these guidelines the state's ability to participate in federal elections and other programs can be revoked. If for example your state issues ID's to non-residents that would be outside federal guidelines. The minimum age requirement for voting should be no different that the age of majority for all things. If you can join the military, you can vote, just as you should be able to drink or smoke or have sex. Pick an age and stick to it for all things, either you're an adult at 18 or you are not. Whether we choose 16, 18 or 21 really doesn't matter to me, but pick one and stick to it. Beyond the basic requirement of proving you're a citizen and that you have met age requirements everything else for being qualified to vote is really up to all of us at a local level and not within the scope of what the federal government should be involved with. It will be up to your state and community what you want to do to ensure that everyone who votes understands what a great responsibility it is. Some of the federal guidelines for valid ID/state elections: Voting occurs on one designated day, and only one day. ID will be required to vote. Open polls at 12am on designated day and they remain open until 11:59pm that same day. That gives you 24 hours to vote. All paper ballots. Initial count can be electronic, but a second manual hand count to certify the vote is required at local level and again at state level. If that means that results may not be "official" for a week or longer so be it. Chain of custody is required for each and every official ballot printed. Must vote in person at a designated polling station, period! If you cannot physically make it, you miss out, that's it. Too much possibility for fraud with absentee voting and early voting. For those that are deployed or working away from home (registered voting district), that is the choice you made. It is what it is. No same day voter registration, if you cannot manage to get registered to vote with two years between major elections then you are not responsible enough to vote. You must re-register to vote every 4 years. If I have to renew my carry permit (unconstitutional by the way) and DL every few years then we need to do the same for voter registration. To be issued a state ID you must be able to prove you are a citizen and alive. Voter registration should be linked to state ID since only citizens should be issued ID's If you move to a different state, when you're issued a new ID there should be communication between states to cancel/rescind previous voter/state ID. Last Edited by Sol Neman on 04/21/2020 10:46 PM Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty ~ Thomas Jefferson |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73886010 United States04/21/2020 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'll say this: I will and am wary of any person or group of people claiming they have a better system to replace our constitutional republic. Quoting: Philly Special IMO it's a fools errand to even attempt such a thing. Obviously there are problems plaguing our country and it's governance. I think term limits is the best place to start. It's not the only measure to be taken, but hear me out. For that to happen, it will mean a constitutional convention of the states, and for them to vote on an amendment making it so. This will have a number of immediate impacts. First off, it would be a clear sign from the states that they are tired of being bullied by a small group of powerful people in DC. It will begin the process of getting back to a more limited federal government. It would encourage a shift back to states rights being the foundation of the republic. It would also shift the focus of the elected officials in DC. It would encourage them to spend their term(s) trying to get things done for their constituents and their state. And a limited time to do so. It would prevent any one senator or representative from becoming too powerful. It would stop one or two people from controlling committees, from gaining to much influence from lobbyists, etc. In short, it would be a paradigm shift back to what the founders envisioned and wrote. You can't govern 350 million people with good intentions and benevolence. Great ideas of a higher morality don't hold up to the realities of life. I mean communism on paper sounds like a great idea. Everything spread evenly between all the people. But we all know it doesn't work All this brings me back to why the Constitution is so important, why it is worth fighting and possibly dying for. They put in exactly the tools we need to fix the problems. They knew it wasn't perfect, and couldn't possibly account for all the possible problems. But it can be amended, and not by "the elites" in DC. That lower rests in the states. They gave us the 2nd amendment, so that we have a way to ensure that the other amendments are followed, or fight back if they aren't. We don't need a new system, we need to use the system we have to fix the problems caused by corrupt, career politicians that have turned themselves into oligarchs. I Philly, I respect everything you say. I do not claim to have a better system, only to desire the potential to create one. I posted a reply to Hankie that I felt like this topic has begun to slide the thread a bit and that I felt like I needed to ask that if anyone wants to continue the conversation, to perhaps do so in the thread I linked a few pages back. I appreciate everyone's perspective and the good conversation. I would love to continue it if you like, lets just move it to the other thread. Thanks Keybored for being cool. |
| Deplorableduckhunter
User ID: 17063726 United States04/21/2020 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Trump mentioned something about information coming tonight when he was walking out this afternoon Think this is it? Thread: BREAKING!! Gates Foundation, World Health Organization and Wuhan Institute of Virology have all been hacked (Page 2) |
| Bluebird1 User ID: 58042994 United States04/21/2020 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm a bit of a student of history, so I can say that we are currently near the "weak people make for hard times" section of "Hard times makes strong people, strong people make good times, good times make weak people, weak people make hard times" maxim. Quoting: Philly Special Violence is not desirable, but sometimes it is necessary. Our forefathers fought a revolution once. It was bloody, it was a lot of very hard years. Think about the people that were living 2, 3, 5 years before the revolution started? They didn't want a revolution. Many were killed for speaking of it at all. Families turned on each other. But it happened whether they wanted it or not. They didn't know if they could trust Washington or Franklin or any of them, but many grabbed a musket and fought. Made for some really good times, wouldn't you say? I myself was never much of a student, I often found myself asking questions that were never answered to my satisfaction so I was disillusioned at an early age. I agree, violence in protecting oneself is necessary and perhaps at some point is the only way. I just keep thinking that there has to be another way, much like the Q phenomena which is sort of an information war at this point, which to me is a form of spirituality. Information itself in non physical, even though it can be presented in physical form, it can also be passed through oral tradition as well as experienced, which is true knowledge. To me, spirituality is simply anything that is non physical like frequencies such as thought and emotion. If we want something greater then what we currently have, we need to begin from a place that we have not already. Meaning if any new form of government is born of physical violence, we will eventually end up right where we are today. Which makes no sense to me and makes me think we need to do something drastically different and outside the box, much like Q has been doing. You are very insightful with your thoughts. Nikola Tesla said everything is frequency. I believe the Q team has helped the people to think for themselves, but I think we all need to take it a step further. I think some of us put too much focus on current events instead of focusing on what we want. What if the people unified to create manifestations of what they wanted? So many things in my path have pointed to the people having the power and yet it seems we are watching a screen and waiting for the next move. Recently I have put my focus and thoughts (frequency) into bringing forth events that I wish to see happen. I found a sight that is quite interesting where posts are made and everyone is asked to join in if they choose to help on a particular manifestation or you can post your own. I believe the power is within each and every one of us to make what we want to happen. This is the site if interested: [link to m.facebook.com (secure)] |
| hankie
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| sinceBeforeQhadaName
User ID: 75561499 United States04/21/2020 10:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I only skimmed the last 5 pages and blew Right past most of the Fear porn... I spent my day on a prairie lake in west central Montana, fly fishing for large rainbow trout, watching flocks of snow geese fly by with the bright sunlit snow covered peaks of the Scapegoat wilderness as a back drop. Fishing was fantastic, We caught over a dozen Trout over 5 pounds each and a few between 1 & 2 pounds, brought one of them home to fillet and deep fry. I had my favorite person, my girl friend of three years (a bernie supporter, who owns a bunch of North Dakota Oil Royalties) yah ... think about that? I also had my springer spaniel along... While enjoying the Big Sky and God's country, God personally told me today that no matter how scary things look, "We Win" I have no worries other than I hope no one beats me back to my little slice of heaven and my favorite casting rock in the Morning, I'm taking off again at 4:30am Last Edited by SinceBeforeQhadaName on 04/21/2020 10:57 PM TS with no middle D |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75053120 Netherlands04/21/2020 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nat sec lisa tweeted too, in addition to comey. reading the comments on comey's feed is very disheartening. Too many people think he's innocent. [link to twitter.com (secure)] |
| PiccoloGal
User ID: 76190053 United States04/21/2020 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OMG! I want that man in a full size poster over my bed!!! Do you think he likes women in their 50s? If he doesn't, the one on the right might ;) I'm too old I not blind they are cuties. Haha. I’m right behind you on that, Hankie! |
| sinceBeforeQhadaName
User ID: 75561499 United States04/21/2020 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Trump mentioned something about information coming tonight when he was walking out this afternoon Quoting: Deplorableduckhunter Think this is it? Thread: BREAKING!! Gates Foundation, World Health Organization and Wuhan Institute of Virology have all been hacked (Page 2) from what I read this morning on 8koon, none of those email accts went anywhere? TS with no middle D |
| Sol Neman
User ID: 78323132 United States04/21/2020 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I only skimmed the last 5 pages and blew Right past most of the Fear porn... Quoting: sinceBeforeQhadaName I spent my day on a prairie lake in west central Montana, fly fishing for large rainbow trout, watching flocks of snow geese fly by the with the bright sunlit snow covered peaks of the Scapegoat wilderness as a back drop. Fishing was fantastic, We caught over a dozen Trout over 5 pounds each and a few between 1 & 2 pounds, brought one of them home to fillet and deep fry. I had my favorite person, my girl friend of three years (a bernie supporter, who owns a bunch of North Dakota Oil Royalties) yah ... think about that? I also had my springer spaniel along... While enjoying the Big Sky and God's country, God personally told me today that no matter how scary things look, "We Win" I have no worries other than I hope no one beats me back to my little slice of heaven and my favorite casting rock in the Morning, I'm taking off again at 4:30am Hmmm, sounds like your in my neck of the woods, like Nilan reservoir or in that vicinity Hahaha, I have a close friend whose wife also a huge liberal as is her dad and they own all kinds of guns and have oil royalties in North Dakota...can't wrap my head around that one either. Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty ~ Thomas Jefferson |
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| hankie
Everything User ID: 77753356 United States04/21/2020 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To me, if those who would strive for a better tomorrow deemed the constitution as a starting point or even a part of, I would be all for it. I have never spoke of changing or getting rid of the constitution, just the 'democracy' and 'republic' it finds itself chained to. I am unsure I want to talk with those who are attached to the system such as Michio with regards to how we should govern ourselves. I feel there is as much wisdom and intelligence to be found outside the system, my actual peers, then those who consider themselves elite to some degree or another. In other words, I care more about what you feel and have to say then Michio. I'm gonna be straight, and I apologise if I am misunderstanding some of what you are saying. Everyone is attached to some kind of system. Hoping to change that system to some more benevolent, kinder form of gov't (or whatever you want to call it) is all well and good, but it's also an idealistic dream. I'm a pragmatist by nature. No matter what system you or your peers design, there will be a person (or people) in charge. Anything that doesn't have that will lead to anarchy. Mostly because people are assholes. There has to be people who make the rules, and people who enforce them. It's just the way life is. We can hope that humanity will rise to a higher morality or consciousness, but that isn't going to fix our problems or put food on the table. What we have is a great system invented by some of the smartest people to walk this Earth. For my part, it is a system worth fighting for. The system has been hijacked, and to fix iT we must remove the hijackers. Our collective hope is that Trump and a bunch of unknown good people are fighting that fight for us. We yearn for the emergency broadcast system to flash up on our phones from POTUS that an attempted coup has been put down, the long list of the traitors responsible are in custody. If that never comes to pass, then we all have a choice to make. We either continue giving up our rights and freedoms, or we fight back. It's just that simple. Most revolutions throughout history have not improved the lives of the population. By and large, that can be traced to the leader (or leadership group) that fomented the revolution to meet out their own goals. The US is one of the exceptions (but not the only one). If a revolution happens, it will be to defend the Constitution and our natural rights it guarantees. It won't be for religion, it won't be to take out a royal family, and it won't be to put some whack job who speaks well in charge of everything. It will be to get back that which has been taken from us. I appreciate you wanting to fight for what you feel is right. In a system that I envision, those who would be deemed most wise and compassionate by their peers, those who served others the most would have the most say. Like Sol mentioned that he feels not everyone should be able to vote, I feel similarly except I want to put into place a system that elevates everyone, where we all grow in wisdom and compassion and are deemed worthy of a full vote by our peers. In my vision, there is no single or even few leaders, there are many and they are us. All of this would take a total reprogramming of ourselves, knowingly and willingly. A massive undertaking, a generational effort. One that would most likely to be found successful or not early on as it would be put into practice at the personal (getting involved) and local (businesses) levels. Since I am for our Republic which means all citizens and it under God, it would be nice to get back to the true meaning of our gov. Now as for who should run, the people are the dummies, they do not question the people who are running, they need to know the constitution themselves so able to question the people running questions about their knowledge about the confederation documents, the rule book from the state is the constitution and the confederation documents are the states joint rules to be a nation and to control the gov. in DC. The one you read the most happens to be the rules for the federal Gov. and the Bill of Rights are the ones they can not attack or change, legally and even the so-called bill that caused us problems that was put in place after nine eleven is illegal by the constitution! The document can not change for they don't have the power to change the constitution only the states have that right. If we find the bill we have to send them to be abolished and there are some real doozies. Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
| Philly Special
User ID: 78738402 United States04/21/2020 11:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To me, if those who would strive for a better tomorrow deemed the constitution as a starting point or even a part of, I would be all for it. I have never spoke of changing or getting rid of the constitution, just the 'democracy' and 'republic' it finds itself chained to. I am unsure I want to talk with those who are attached to the system such as Michio with regards to how we should govern ourselves. I feel there is as much wisdom and intelligence to be found outside the system, my actual peers, then those who consider themselves elite to some degree or another. In other words, I care more about what you feel and have to say then Michio. I'm gonna be straight, and I apologise if I am misunderstanding some of what you are saying. Everyone is attached to some kind of system. Hoping to change that system to some more benevolent, kinder form of gov't (or whatever you want to call it) is all well and good, but it's also an idealistic dream. I'm a pragmatist by nature. No matter what system you or your peers design, there will be a person (or people) in charge. Anything that doesn't have that will lead to anarchy. Mostly because people are assholes. There has to be people who make the rules, and people who enforce them. It's just the way life is. We can hope that humanity will rise to a higher morality or consciousness, but that isn't going to fix our problems or put food on the table. What we have is a great system invented by some of the smartest people to walk this Earth. For my part, it is a system worth fighting for. The system has been hijacked, and to fix iT we must remove the hijackers. Our collective hope is that Trump and a bunch of unknown good people are fighting that fight for us. We yearn for the emergency broadcast system to flash up on our phones from POTUS that an attempted coup has been put down, the long list of the traitors responsible are in custody. If that never comes to pass, then we all have a choice to make. We either continue giving up our rights and freedoms, or we fight back. It's just that simple. Most revolutions throughout history have not improved the lives of the population. By and large, that can be traced to the leader (or leadership group) that fomented the revolution to meet out their own goals. The US is one of the exceptions (but not the only one). If a revolution happens, it will be to defend the Constitution and our natural rights it guarantees. It won't be for religion, it won't be to take out a royal family, and it won't be to put some whack job who speaks well in charge of everything. It will be to get back that which has been taken from us. I appreciate you wanting to fight for what you feel is right. In a system that I envision, those who would be deemed most wise and compassionate by their peers, those who served others the most would have the most say. Like Sol mentioned that he feels not everyone should be able to vote, I feel similarly except I want to put into place a system that elevates everyone, where we all grow in wisdom and compassion and are deemed worthy of a full vote by our peers. In my vision, there is no single or even few leaders, there are many and they are us. All of this would take a total reprogramming of ourselves, knowingly and willingly. A massive undertaking, a generational effort. One that would most likely to be found successful or not early on as it would be put into practice at the personal (getting involved) and local (businesses) levels. So, kinda like the Borg? Your plan is leaving out a key component: free will. What if I don't agree with your peers? What if I and many others don't want to submit to a reprogramming, no matter how rosy it sounds? |
| sinceBeforeQhadaName
User ID: 75561499 United States04/21/2020 11:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I only skimmed the last 5 pages and blew Right past most of the Fear porn... Quoting: sinceBeforeQhadaName I spent my day on a prairie lake in west central Montana, fly fishing for large rainbow trout, watching flocks of snow geese fly by the with the bright sunlit snow covered peaks of the Scapegoat wilderness as a back drop. Fishing was fantastic, We caught over a dozen Trout over 5 pounds each and a few between 1 & 2 pounds, brought one of them home to fillet and deep fry. I had my favorite person, my girl friend of three years (a bernie supporter, who owns a bunch of North Dakota Oil Royalties) yah ... think about that? I also had my springer spaniel along... While enjoying the Big Sky and God's country, God personally told me today that no matter how scary things look, "We Win" I have no worries other than I hope no one beats me back to my little slice of heaven and my favorite casting rock in the Morning, I'm taking off again at 4:30am Hmmm, sounds like your in my neck of the woods, like Nilan reservoir or in that vicinity Hahaha, I have a close friend whose wife also a huge liberal as is her dad and they own all kinds of guns and have oil royalties in North Dakota...can't wrap my head around that one either. I know Nilan well, butt Willow Creek better... I was on the West side of the Divide near Helmville. In a couple of weeks I mosey on up to Mitten and Duck sz 16 beadheaded tan scuds are always my go to Last Edited by SinceBeforeQhadaName on 04/21/2020 11:09 PM TS with no middle D |
