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Hairstylist with COVID-19 served 84 clients while symptomatic, Missouri officials say


A Great Clips hairstylist exposed dozens of clients to coronavirus while showing symptoms, Missouri health officials say.

The stylist at a salon franchise in Springfield served 84 clients and exposed seven coworkers, the Springfield-Greene County Health Department said Friday. The hairstylist also visited a Dairy Queen, Walmart and fitness center, officials said.




THIS! This right here is why we need strict lock downs. Some people are so fucking stupid, selfish, or just plain assholes and the rest of us need to be protected from them.
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The hairstylist exhibited symptoms while working on eight days between May 12 and May 20
, health officials said. The health department is providing testing to all people “directly exposed” to the hairstylist. The stylist and clients wore masks during the appointments, officials said.
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Nail salon worker tests positive for coronavirus days after Oklahoma shop reopens


An Oklahoma nail salon announced Wednesday that one of its workers tested positive for COVID-19 less than two weeks after the store reopened as the state relaxed its coronavirus restrictions.

The Nailspot, located in Bartlesville in norrthwest Oklahoma, said it will close its doors for two weeks, per the recommendation from the Washington County Health Department.

The shop reopened May 5 after being closed since March 26, it said on its Facebook page. Oklahoma’s nail salons, as well as hair salons and barbershops, were allowed by Gov. Kevin Stitt to reopen April 24, KTEN reported.

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One of the workers who was at the salon May 5-7 was exposed to coronavirus, the salon wrote May 7 on Facebook. At the time, it remained open and said it was “taking every precaution to ensure the safety and well being” of its patrons and staff.
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Here's an Italian article that links through to the literature.

[link to www.iltempo.it (secure)]

You'll need to use google translate.

Of course there is Zelenko (sp?) in NY.

It's a freaking novel disease. There isn't going to be "settled science" for some time. I prefer evidence based medicine as opposed to bought and paid for research because you get the research paid for by whomever it is that wants a particular outcome.
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Well, Zelenko was treating people who would probably not get real sick anyway. And there is no follow up to see how many have heart troubles or other negative outcomes.

The study I posted today "studied" the records of 96K sick to determine than HCQ is not effective. The research I posted froma while back was a clinical study, also showing HCQ is not effective. Several studies on HCQ in Europe were stopped early because it was causing too much damage and would be morally wrong to continue the study. It was that bad.

HCQ is like penicillin. It appears to work in some people, but others have negative outcomes. The number of positive vs negative outcomes is the issue. So far, the clinical studies indicate the cost/benefit is too high to make HCQ a "standard treatment."
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India says that Ivermectin and Doxycycline will do the trick. Much safer.
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People who honestly think a fucking anti-PARASITIC drug can kill a VIRUS are beyond help. True primate minds.
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The only possible way such a drug could work on a virus is if it has the ability to interfere with mRNA transcription in parasites and viruses.
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Here's an Italian article that links through to the literature.

[link to www.iltempo.it (secure)]

You'll need to use google translate.

Of course there is Zelenko (sp?) in NY.

It's a freaking novel disease. There isn't going to be "settled science" for some time. I prefer evidence based medicine as opposed to bought and paid for research because you get the research paid for by whomever it is that wants a particular outcome.
 Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes


Well, Zelenko was treating people who would probably not get real sick anyway. And there is no follow up to see how many have heart troubles or other negative outcomes.

The study I posted today "studied" the records of 96K sick to determine than HCQ is not effective. The research I posted froma while back was a clinical study, also showing HCQ is not effective. Several studies on HCQ in Europe were stopped early because it was causing too much damage and would be morally wrong to continue the study. It was that bad.

HCQ is like penicillin. It appears to work in some people, but others have negative outcomes. The number of positive vs negative outcomes is the issue. So far, the clinical studies indicate the cost/benefit is too high to make HCQ a "standard treatment."
 Quoting: NawtyBits


India says that Ivermectin and Doxycycline will do the trick. Much safer.
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India says there is no border problem with Pakistan.

Link please to what India is saying, and maybe the study behind the claim?

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Coronavirus: Over 40 Covid-19 cases traced to church service in Germany


More than 40 churchgoers who attended a service after lockdown was eased in Germany earlier this month have contracted coronavirus, officials say.

The service was held on 10 May at a Baptist church in Frankfurt.

Church officials say they followed social distancing rules and disinfected the building ahead of the service.

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Six of those infected were taken to hospital.
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Coronavirus: Over 40 Covid-19 cases traced to church service in Germany


More than 40 churchgoers who attended a service after lockdown was eased in Germany earlier this month have contracted coronavirus, officials say.

The service was held on 10 May at a Baptist church in Frankfurt.

Church officials say they followed social distancing rules and disinfected the building ahead of the service.

[snip]

Six of those infected were taken to hospital.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


The irony is that Germany knows very well how contagious is this virus since January, they published the Letter to the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine from where I got this chart:

NEMJ
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Coronavirus: Over 40 Covid-19 cases traced to church service in Germany


More than 40 churchgoers who attended a service after lockdown was eased in Germany earlier this month have contracted coronavirus, officials say.

The service was held on 10 May at a Baptist church in Frankfurt.

Church officials say they followed social distancing rules and disinfected the building ahead of the service.

[snip]

Six of those infected were taken to hospital.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


The irony is that Germany knows very well how contagious is this virus since January, they published the Letter to the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine from where I got this chart:

NEMJ
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


None of the decision making regarding reopening is using medical/epidemiological information.
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Hairstylist with COVID-19 served 84 clients while symptomatic, Missouri officials say


A Great Clips hairstylist exposed dozens of clients to coronavirus while showing symptoms, Missouri health officials say.

The stylist at a salon franchise in Springfield served 84 clients and exposed seven coworkers, the Springfield-Greene County Health Department said Friday. The hairstylist also visited a Dairy Queen, Walmart and fitness center, officials said.




THIS! This right here is why we need strict lock downs. Some people are so fucking stupid, selfish, or just plain assholes and the rest of us need to be protected from them.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


The hairstylist exhibited symptoms while working on eight days between May 12 and May 20
, health officials said. The health department is providing testing to all people “directly exposed” to the hairstylist. The stylist and clients wore masks during the appointments, officials said.
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Second hairstylist with COVID-19 may have exposed 56 clients, Missouri officials say



A second hairdresser working at Great Clips in Springfield, Missouri, has tested positive for COVID-19 and has potentially exposed the virus to clients, Missouri health officials said.

The Springfield-Greene County Health Department said on Saturday that a second stylist tested positive for the coronavirus and worked from May 16 to May 20 while having “very mild symptoms” but was “potentially infectious,” according to a press release.

“At this time, this is the only other positive result we have had from those tested as a result of the previous exposure,” the department wrote in the release.

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The stylist potentially exposed 56 clients and all those involved were wearing face coverings, according to the department. The clients will be alerted by the Health Department and offered COVID-19 testing, according to the release.
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I was going to post articles about failures of social distancing at beaches, boardwalks, churches, graduation parties (there was a private party of over 900 people in Carolina), and then I realized there are SO many stories it doesn't really matter anymore.

People are behaving like the pandemic is over.

Sometimes being intelligent is a curse. It allows you to see the future. I can see no good outcome. I was hoping that we wouldn't see Wave 2 (or Wave 1 Redux) until this Fall. I think that projection is optimistic. We are going to see a crushing wave of sick people in a few weeks. And it's going to be younger people, too.

I have not seen one epidemiology report in the last 2 months with specific information on the dead and/or infected. How old are these people that are dying? We hear generalities, but there is no info on this. Why is that? Perhaps it fails to agree with the "over 65" or "it only affects old people" memes. Show me your work. Saying things like "the median age" is a statistical ploy, and a means nothing. I don't want the median. I would take the mean (average) age, but really want to see it broken down in 5 year increments (20-24, 25-29, 30-34.....)

This is evolving from a Kobayashi Maru scenario, to societal suicide. As a whole, we aren't even trying anymore. We are foregoing short-term pain for long term destruction. I hope I am wrong. Someone please show me how I am wrong. How I'm over reacting. Show me a glimmer of hope.

I am currently sitting in a hotel room in Louisville. Tonight I am participating in private paranormal investigation at Waverly Hills Sanatorium. Masks and social distance will be required. Perhaps the masks will act as trigger objects. It is very exhausting traveling while trying to reduce/eliminate risk. But, I want to do a few more normal things before the New Normal from what's to come.

This virus doesn't care about your Rights.
This virus doesn't care about the economy.
This virus doesn't care about your feelings.
This virus doesn't care about your mental health.

This virus doesn't care about anything except reproducing. That's it. Reproduction. It cares only about the survival of it's genetic material. And you fucking idiots are helping it because you need to get your hair cut or go to church, or attend a grad party. Good job you stupid fucking douchebags.

Right now, personal risk can be mitigated. But, time is short. However, soon simple trips outside the house will be "virus roulette" but more than one chamber will be loaded. Enjoy these next few days; the people exposed this weekend will likely become infectious in the next 5 days.

Sorry about the rant. Seeing the future makes me cranky sometimes.
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I hope you’re wrong too, NB. I’m not a social person, hermit really. Each time I have to go out, once a week, I’m trying to be proactive. At the office I also stay mindful of my distance from others. I think mid June or end of June we will know just how screwed we may be.

Hope you have a good time at Waverly.
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Top headline on Fox.com

Shootings, MAGA boat parades mark start to Memorial Day as US adapts to post-pandemic culture


My emphasis.

I guessed I missed the ending of the pandemic. I need to pay better attention.

I'm glad THAT's over. Whew!
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Deaths: 99,455

Last updated: May 25, 2020, 17:06 GMT


Today or tomorrow we hit 100K deaths in the US.
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I was going to post articles about failures of social distancing at beaches, boardwalks, churches, graduation parties (there was a private party of over 900 people in Carolina), and then I realized there are SO many stories it doesn't really matter anymore.

People are behaving like the pandemic is over.

Sometimes being intelligent is a curse. It allows you to see the future. I can see no good outcome. I was hoping that we wouldn't see Wave 2 (or Wave 1 Redux) until this Fall. I think that projection is optimistic. We are going to see a crushing wave of sick people in a few weeks. And it's going to be younger people, too.

I have not seen one epidemiology report in the last 2 months with specific information on the dead and/or infected. How old are these people that are dying? We hear generalities, but there is no info on this. Why is that? Perhaps it fails to agree with the "over 65" or "it only affects old people" memes. Show me your work. Saying things like "the median age" is a statistical ploy, and a means nothing. I don't want the median. I would take the mean (average) age, but really want to see it broken down in 5 year increments (20-24, 25-29, 30-34.....)

This is evolving from a Kobayashi Maru scenario, to societal suicide. As a whole, we aren't even trying anymore. We are foregoing short-term pain for long term destruction. I hope I am wrong. Someone please show me how I am wrong. How I'm over reacting. Show me a glimmer of hope.

I am currently sitting in a hotel room in Louisville. Tonight I am participating in private paranormal investigation at Waverly Hills Sanatorium. Masks and social distance will be required. Perhaps the masks will act as trigger objects. It is very exhausting traveling while trying to reduce/eliminate risk. But, I want to do a few more normal things before the New Normal from what's to come.

This virus doesn't care about your Rights.
This virus doesn't care about the economy.
This virus doesn't care about your feelings.
This virus doesn't care about your mental health.

This virus doesn't care about anything except reproducing. That's it. Reproduction. It cares only about the survival of it's genetic material. And you fucking idiots are helping it because you need to get your hair cut or go to church, or attend a grad party. Good job you stupid fucking douchebags.

Right now, personal risk can be mitigated. But, time is short. However, soon simple trips outside the house will be "virus roulette" but more than one chamber will be loaded. Enjoy these next few days; the people exposed this weekend will likely become infectious in the next 5 days.

Sorry about the rant. Seeing the future makes me cranky sometimes.
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[link to coronavirus.iowa.gov (secure)]

Iowa is giving some info on deaths- including an age range. That link should take you to it- if not.... sorry! You should be able to click through to find it.
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I was going to post articles about failures of social distancing at beaches, boardwalks, churches, graduation parties (there was a private party of over 900 people in Carolina), and then I realized there are SO many stories it doesn't really matter anymore.

People are behaving like the pandemic is over.

Sometimes being intelligent is a curse. It allows you to see the future. I can see no good outcome. I was hoping that we wouldn't see Wave 2 (or Wave 1 Redux) until this Fall. I think that projection is optimistic. We are going to see a crushing wave of sick people in a few weeks. And it's going to be younger people, too.

I have not seen one epidemiology report in the last 2 months with specific information on the dead and/or infected. How old are these people that are dying? We hear generalities, but there is no info on this. Why is that? Perhaps it fails to agree with the "over 65" or "it only affects old people" memes. Show me your work. Saying things like "the median age" is a statistical ploy, and a means nothing. I don't want the median. I would take the mean (average) age, but really want to see it broken down in 5 year increments (20-24, 25-29, 30-34.....)

This is evolving from a Kobayashi Maru scenario, to societal suicide. As a whole, we aren't even trying anymore. We are foregoing short-term pain for long term destruction. I hope I am wrong. Someone please show me how I am wrong. How I'm over reacting. Show me a glimmer of hope.

I am currently sitting in a hotel room in Louisville. Tonight I am participating in private paranormal investigation at Waverly Hills Sanatorium. Masks and social distance will be required. Perhaps the masks will act as trigger objects. It is very exhausting traveling while trying to reduce/eliminate risk. But, I want to do a few more normal things before the New Normal from what's to come.

This virus doesn't care about your Rights.
This virus doesn't care about the economy.
This virus doesn't care about your feelings.
This virus doesn't care about your mental health.

This virus doesn't care about anything except reproducing. That's it. Reproduction. It cares only about the survival of it's genetic material. And you fucking idiots are helping it because you need to get your hair cut or go to church, or attend a grad party. Good job you stupid fucking douchebags.

Right now, personal risk can be mitigated. But, time is short. However, soon simple trips outside the house will be "virus roulette" but more than one chamber will be loaded. Enjoy these next few days; the people exposed this weekend will likely become infectious in the next 5 days.

Sorry about the rant. Seeing the future makes me cranky sometimes.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


[link to coronavirus.iowa.gov (secure)]

Iowa is giving some info on deaths- including an age range. That link should take you to it- if not.... sorry! You should be able to click through to find it.
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Iowa ages of positives:

18-40 years old: 42%
41-60 years old: 36%

So, 78% of the positive tests are between 18 and 60 years old.

Now deaths:

18-60 years old: 12% (18-40: 2%)

55 out of 459 deaths under 60.


I wish we had this info for the country.
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I’m so unsure but playing it safe. Typing so I don’t lose the thread


Also those great clips are all located 8n Walmart’s.
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In Cali, 80% of the positives are under 64 years old.

Unfortunately, Cali doesn't break down the deaths by age.
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Rat cannibalism. Rat wars. Beware!

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Louisiana child's possible coronavirus-linked MIS-C death the first in state


A child in Louisiana has died of a rare inflammatory condition that’s possibly linked to the novel coronavirus, marking the first such death in the state, health officials said this week.

In addition to the one death, at least 13 cases of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C) have also been reported in the Bayou State. No other details were provided on the child who died, with officials with the Louisiana Department of Health citing privacy concerns for the family, according to a news release provided to Fox News.
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Just two weeks after the state's Supreme Court overturned Democratic Gov. Tony Evers’ “Safer at Home” order, the state set a one-day record for new coronavirus cases with 642 positive cases identified in 24 hours -- increasing the number of currently active cases by more than 10 percent.

On Wednesday, in the deadliest day thus far, 22 people succumbed to the virus since Tuesday last week, bringing the total death toll to 539.



(Wisconsin)
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I can only think these riots are going to make the virus go crazy
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Supreme Court rejects challenge to limits on church services; Roberts sides with liberals

WASHINGTON — A divided Supreme Court on Friday rejected an emergency appeal by a California church that challenged state limits on attendance at worship services that have been imposed to contain the spread of the coronavirus.

Over the dissent of the four more conservative justices, Chief Justice John Roberts joined the court's four liberals in turning away a request from the South Bay United Pentecostal Church in Chula Vista, California, in the San Diego area.
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I can only think these riots are going to make the virus go crazy
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Mostly outside, so that will help. But, that sure is a lot of close contact. ugh
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Scientists warn of 'superspreaders' as San Diego flocks to restaurants, salons


SAN DIEGO — Churches. Hair salons. Restaurants. Malls. What do they all have in common?

They’ve all been cleared to reopen in San Diego County amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic — and by and large, they all require people to congregate inside, potentially with strangers.

This comes as an increasingly vocal group of scientists has sounded the alarm about the danger of indoor gatherings due to the potential for airborne transmission of the disease by “superspreaders.”
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Sweden’s COVID Death Rate Now Ten Times Higher than Norway’s


May 30, 2020 3:58 PM

There have now been ten times as many COVID-19 deaths in Sweden than Norway on a per capita basis.

According to the Worldometers website, 435 out of every one million Swedes have died from the virus, while the virus has killed 44 out of every million Norwegians.

Norway imposed a lockdown to slow the spread of the coronavirus early on March 12, but the country reopened schools early in May. “Our goal is that by June 15 we will have reopened most of the things that were closed,” Norway’s prime minister said at a press conference earlier this month.

Its neighbor Sweden, by contrast, took a more lax approach: The government banned events with more than 50 people and shut down universities and secondary schools but imposed few other restrictions.

Swedish government officials said lockdowns could do little to save lives over the long term and that their more lax approach would let their society reach herd immunity more quickly and lessen the economic pain the country would endure. “About 30 percent of people in Stockholm have reached a level of immunity,” Karin Ulrika Olofsdotter, the Swedish ambassador to the United States, told NPR on April 26. “We could reach herd immunity in the capital as early as next month.”
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But a recent study found that just 7.3 percent of Stockholm residents tested positive for coronavirus antibodies at the end of April. “I think herd immunity is a long way off, if we ever reach it,” Bjorn Olsen, professor of infectious medicine at Uppsala University
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This is from Reuters and says that the Italians are saying its mutated to something non-lethal and almost non-existent
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Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
Warning sign
Cloaking trick: new worrisome study finds #SARSCoV2
Microbe
removes molecules used to identify invaders. Normally, MHC samples & brings molecules from inside a cell to cell surface - if foreign, cell is executed. Without MHC
Rightwards arrow
virus is cloaked inside cell!

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Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
2) “The novel coronavirus uses the same strategy to evade attack from the human immune system as HIV, according to a new study by Chinese scientists. Both viruses remove marker molecules on the surface of an infected cell that are used by the immune system to identify invaders.”

Eric Feigl-Ding Retweeted
Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
3) “They warned that this commonality could mean Sars-CoV-2, the clinical name for the virus, could be around for some time, like HIV.”

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
Replying to
@DrEricDing
4) “Their research involved collecting killer T cells from five patients who had recently recovered from Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus. Those immune cells are generated by people after they are infected with Sars-CoV-2 – their job is to find and destroy the virus.”

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
5) “But the killer T cells used in the study were not effective at eliminating the virus in infected cells. When the scientists took a closer look they found that a molecule known as major histocompatibility complex, or MHC, was missing” !!!

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
6) “The molecule is an identification tag usually present in the membrane of a healthy cell, or in sick cells infected by other coronaviruses such as Sars. It changes with infections, alerting the immune system whether a cell is healthy or infected by a virus.”

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
7) “HIV uses the same strategy – MHC molecules are also absent in cells infected with that virus. In contrast, Sars-1 does not make use of this function. The SARS-2 coronavirus removes these markers by producing a protein that pulls MHC inside the infected cell and destroys them”

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
8) “Suppression of MHC molecules had also happened in other viruses such as some herpes viruses... the new coronavirus was not hijacking T cells and turning them into a means to reproduce, as HIV did, adding that the new virus was mutating at a much slower pace“

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
10) BOTTOMLINE: By destroying/ suppressing MHC molecules used by T-cells to identify which cells are foreign-invaded (virus infected), #SARSCoV2 effectively cloaks itself inside cells it infects, thereby hiding from T-cells & allowing
Microbe
time to reproduce! This cloak is very bad.

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Eric Feigl-Ding
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May 26
Warning sign
Cloaking trick: new worrisome study finds #SARSCoV2
Microbe
removes molecules used to identify invaders. Normally, MHC samples & brings molecules from inside a cell to cell surface - if foreign, cell is executed. Without MHC
Rightwards arrow
virus is cloaked inside cell!

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
2) “The novel coronavirus uses the same strategy to evade attack from the human immune system as HIV, according to a new study by Chinese scientists. Both viruses remove marker molecules on the surface of an infected cell that are used by the immune system to identify invaders.”

Eric Feigl-Ding Retweeted
Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
3) “They warned that this commonality could mean Sars-CoV-2, the clinical name for the virus, could be around for some time, like HIV.”

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
Replying to
@DrEricDing
4) “Their research involved collecting killer T cells from five patients who had recently recovered from Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus. Those immune cells are generated by people after they are infected with Sars-CoV-2 – their job is to find and destroy the virus.”

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
5) “But the killer T cells used in the study were not effective at eliminating the virus in infected cells. When the scientists took a closer look they found that a molecule known as major histocompatibility complex, or MHC, was missing” !!!

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
6) “The molecule is an identification tag usually present in the membrane of a healthy cell, or in sick cells infected by other coronaviruses such as Sars. It changes with infections, alerting the immune system whether a cell is healthy or infected by a virus.”

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
7) “HIV uses the same strategy – MHC molecules are also absent in cells infected with that virus. In contrast, Sars-1 does not make use of this function. The SARS-2 coronavirus removes these markers by producing a protein that pulls MHC inside the infected cell and destroys them”

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
8) “Suppression of MHC molecules had also happened in other viruses such as some herpes viruses... the new coronavirus was not hijacking T cells and turning them into a means to reproduce, as HIV did, adding that the new virus was mutating at a much slower pace“

Eric Feigl-Ding
@DrEricDing
·
May 26
10) BOTTOMLINE: By destroying/ suppressing MHC molecules used by T-cells to identify which cells are foreign-invaded (virus infected), #SARSCoV2 effectively cloaks itself inside cells it infects, thereby hiding from T-cells & allowing
Microbe
time to reproduce! This cloak is very bad.

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Bumping as it's very ungood.
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