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DOW futures still crapin almost -400
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fuck dont tell me that.

how are u seeing that already
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Believe it or not, but do Go Vegan when you are getting sick.

You will have a better chance and recover faster.

Not going into details or arguement, pls Google it instead.

30 years vegetarian/vegan here.

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Geez the regular flu is worse than coronovirus. China is acting over dramatic


So far, 8,200 people have died and 140,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC. "The flu season began early this year and took off aggressively," added Schaffner.3 days ago
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Wow just wow

Ok here is the scoop..every year we have circulating cold and flu bugs so we have had contact and our bodies have a certain amount of immunity people with lowered immune systems and elderly and young get the flu shot..

CORONAVIRUS IS A NOVEL VIRUS THAT NO ONE HAS HAD BEFORE.

Please stop the nay saying this type of attitude will kill more people in this forum then the virus.

We need to all stop and assess our lives and make a plan..you know your in these forums because you are a prepper.

First look at your work environment, if you are in a cubicle in an office with barely any contact with a lot of people then make a plan, but if you deal with the public like a waitress or cashier, make a bigger plan. It does not hurt to be ready, if you have to SIP have some canned food ready. Get some PPE for your job. Common sense people

Make plans for your children, your family...just in case and if this turns out to be a false alarm you are more ready for the next novel virus
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Coronavirus from China not transmittable via packages - Rospotrebnadzor head

Russian Academy of Sciences president fears global coronavirus spread by spring if current sickness rates persist
GROWTH IN NUMBER OF NEW CORONAVIRUS CASES SLOWS DOWN - ROSPOTREBNADZOR HEAD POPOVA

Rospotrebnadzor head: We know of 30 medications tested in Chinese clinics to treat coronavirus-infected patients
About 30 medications effective against novel coronavirus - Onishchenko

No cases of novel coronavirus in Russia - Rospotrebnadzor
Russia screens over 1.3 mln people for coronavirus - Rospotrebnadzor

Two Russian research institutes working on vaccine from new type of coronavirus - Rospotrebnadzor director

www.interfax.com/news.asp?y=2020&m=1&d=27&pg=2
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I really wish people would stop downplaying the numbers released from China.

Besides the fact they are most likely not reporting real numbers, how many have not been tested? I keep hearing there is not a test for it and the delays in checking people here is because they are sending samples to the cdc and waiting for results.

So how many people in China aren't tested? How many of the dead haven't been tested? If they aren't testing they're not including them in the numbers.

Look at how they are shutting down cities. That's not normal. No one would do that for the flu or a virus that has only killed 80 people when the flu kills so many more. None of this is adding up.

Wasn't worried about ebola or most of the other things we've heard about and followed her. However, worried about this one.

Then consider the average American believes what they are told by the news. y'all criticising the Chinese for knowing they are sick and leaving China, but how many Americans go to work and do other things knowing they are sick? There are cases here, one being a person from China that has been here (some may not have even known they were infected). They have been out in public shedding this for however long. We will soon see the effects of it spreading here if it's that bad. if not, some of us are prepared and if we are left with supplies and such, we are. Worst case is that it spreads and it's even worse and what we have still didn't help.

So much is unknown and until it is, don't make assumptions. You know the saying be prepared for the worst and hope for the best.
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Well my friends job is now at risk as all Aussie lobster(crays) exports to China on hold.97% of the catch goes to China.
Chinese new year normally the busiest of the year.

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That's great news, maybe the price will come down and Australians can eat like kings!!!
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This fits.

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The first US cases are coming up on 14 days...

Have not heard of anyone they came in contact with being diagnosed yet - neither close contacts or casual ones.

Perhaps a sign that it's not easily transmissible?
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More likely that they aren't having any severe enough symptoms to think its anything other than the currently circulating flu. They should be feeling more within the week.
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If indeed it is actually any worse than the flu for some people, perhaps a number recover normally and never know they even had it but are meanwhile out and about shopping and at work.

A week ago I felt like I was getting a cold, or something, had a slight fever and my lungs felt weird It resolved in two or three days after sitting around, not doing much and drinking lots of hot beverages. It was not a cold and it was not the flu.

However at the start of it I had gone grocery shopping, to a drug store to get a Vick’s inhaler, to tractor supply to look for tools, to a few thrift stores, Ollie’s and to get gas, easily hit up 8 or 9 places before I was even realized I was sick. Probably was in close proximity to at least 100 people over the course of those stops. Only felt it coming on that evening after all that.

Now say for instance this was the Coronavirius, I easily infected a bunch of people, but since I recovered I didn’t go to the doctor. If you had a 30% mortality 30 people would die. That’s where this becomes a real problem, if most people can work through it and not die.
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Weird. On Thursday I went to the Costco in Orange, CT, which is right near New Haven, home of Yale. We have a ton of Puerto Rican’s here so I usually see them there. Instead, of all times, it was full of Chinese people. Yale PhD candidates. They have special jackets they wear that says “Yale PhD” on them.

Today I woke up sick. I don’t get colds and I have had the flu twice in my life. I’m usually healthy. I had a slight fever and sore throat. I still don’t feel great. I’ve been sneezing a little too.

When I was at Costco I tried to stay away from them.....what concerns me is that winter break just ended and presumably some of them had just returned from China.
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Funny thing you mention this.I live in Los Alamos, and of course I see Chinese people on occasion,there's 12 thousand people who work here at the lab.But yesterday at Smith's( Kroger) almost everyone inside was Chinese,kind of peculiar,maybe they know something we don't.
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The fatality percentage is higher than the flu.
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Yep
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If the CCP are this concerned and willing to even admit what little info they have given so should you..
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Normal Flu Strains:

CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 15 million flu illnesses, 140,000 hospitalizations and 8,200 deaths from flu

Coronavirus:

new numbers

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2493 confirmed

2692 suspected

51 recovered

80 deaths

Whats the big deal???
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The numbers. Flu has a mortality rate of about 2 deaths per 100,000 people infected.

nCoV has a death rate of approximately 3 deaths per 100 people infected.

Math is the big deal.
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I'll make the comparison easier:

Flu 2 in 100,000 will die
CoV 3000 in 100,000 will die

See?

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FFS. I'll repeat myself. The above is why this is different that the flu.

It's simple math. Stop being so obtuse.
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Repeating.
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Can all the sheep stop saying things like "80 deaths... 2,800 only inficted.... pfffttttttt doom off flu is worse tards etc etc"

Listen here sheepies, we know what the Chinese corrupt communist police state media have released and if you are gullible enough to believe their official released statistics then please do for all means but please don't sprout it here like we haven't heard it, we just dont believe it.
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Hey, Ozzie, it is clear what the Chinese are saying, and what the Chinese are doing, does not sync up.

We established that on page 1 or 2.
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numbers

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2877 confirmed

~5800 suspected

56 recovered

81 dead

Math time:

CFR= ~59%
mortaility= ~2.8%
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Wuhan pneumonia epidemic spreads severely, Hubei Governor Wang Xiaodong apologizes

The pneumonia epidemic in Wuhan continues to spread. At a news conference on the prevention and control of the new pneumonia epidemic held in Hubei Province on January 26, Hubei Governor Wang Xiaodong apologized for the relevant situation.

On the evening of January 26, Wang Xiaodong, Governor of Hubei Province, Zhou Xianwang, Mayor of Wuhan City, and Bi Bixiong, Secretary General of the Hubei Provincial Government, attended the press conference to introduce the situation of the prevention and control of the new pneumonia epidemic and answer questions from reporters.

Wang Xiaodong said, "After the outbreak of the new coronavirus pneumonia, it made the Party Central Committee and the people of the whole country worry, and we felt very sad, very guilty, and very remorseful."
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Wuhan Citizens Accuse CCP's Totalitarian System

As a new type of coronavirus pneumonia ravages the country and harms the world, the entire Chinese society is increasingly caught in an epidemic of panic and panic. Wuhan, the birthplace of the new type of coronavirus pneumonia, has become a dangerous place for a while, and it is said to be dead. People from Wuhan or people who have worked and studied in Wuhan, or even traveled to or traveled to Wuhan, have become the object of fear, prevention, and even hostility in all places, and have been driven, resisted, arrested, and isolated by all places. Society has actually spread a heresy that "Wuhan people made and spread the epidemic, and Wuhan people are the culprits of new coronavirus pneumonia." The people of Wuhan are blamed for the evils that have caused the world's floods, and they have ignored the fact that the people of Wuhan are also victims of the disease. It is the totalitarian system of the Chinese Communist Party that really caused the disaster that affected the human race.

Let us look at the suffering of Wuhan people in the epidemic. According to the disclosure of Wuhan citizens, the outbreak of pneumonia in Wuhan, a large number of medical staff infected, severe shortage of medical supplies, lack of beds, patients could not be diagnosed, many family members watched their loved ones slowly die, family members were infected, no help, only online Speak out for help.
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Street situation in Qianjiang, Hubei, one of the 15 closed cities



People's livelihood observations January 27, 2020 News: Hubei and Wuhan are a total of 15 regions closed, Qianjiang City is one of them. The epidemic prevention situation in Qianjiang City is that masks are out of stock, alcohol is not available, and some supermarkets do not have vegetables.

Today is the second day of the new year. In a supermarket in Qianjiang, we can see more than a dozen people shopping in the supermarket. They bought rice and noodles. Supermarket vegetables are almost sold out, with some fresh meat for sale. Outside the door of a large hotel, hotel employees were selling vegetables because the hotel was forced to close. There were few people on the road, several self-driving cars, and occasionally a taxi running, and most of the shops were still closed.
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Wuhan people cry out to their fellow citizens, don't demonize us
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Good morning everyone.

I have to keep several appointments today, but keep the good, calm, informative thread going.

Part of my errands will include popping in to an Asian market to get a stock of frozen chicken & beef pho base for soups, and another big bag of basmati. If there is an unusual number of people shopping at the market, I will let you all know.

Note: I prep with basmati because 1. We prefer basmati;
2. It cooks much faster than other rices -- 1 cup rice, 1.5 cups water, bring to boil, cover & simmer 9 minutes, let set another 5, uncover, fluff with fork and you are good to go.

I like to rinse the rice well before cooking to remove all the starches, BUT, if we are in a survival situation, those starches are needed by the body; eat them.
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if you look at the completed data, (of cases resolved either by death or recovery), almost twice as many people die than those who recover. This is a nightmare coming true.
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Major outbreaks in Shandong and Fujian province the quarantine did nothing.
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They waited too long. 10-14 days incubation period and contagious while asymptomatic.
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Can all the sheep stop saying things like "80 deaths... 2,800 only inficted.... pfffttttttt doom off flu is worse tards etc etc"

Listen here sheepies, we know what the Chinese corrupt communist police state media have released and if you are gullible enough to believe their official released statistics then please do for all means but please don't sprout it here like we haven't heard it, we just dont believe it.
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Doing a chicken food, and building supplies run today. I'll check to see if they are out of the N95 at home depot. I'm getting a month and a half of chicken supplies to add to what I already have.

No known or suspected cases anywhere near here and we have an extremely low Asian population. Only a few chinese, mostly running restaurants.
I'm going to try to make this my last run, we're stocked for pretty much everything.
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Welp, there goes going to the Asian market today. Even if it’s in the US.
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Just confirmed from employee source, NYU-Shanghai closed until Feb 17. Classes were supposed to start back Feb 3. Students telling school they don't want to go back at all until this is over. School trying to accommodate those requests.
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I'm deleting posts that are political, dealing with the causes (bio-weapons, rats, etc), and the posts on race specific infections, until such a time I think they are relevant.

If you post something important and I delete it, I apologize, repost it.

If you post stupid shit, I will delete you.

If you are too stupid or lazy to back up your assertions that flu is worse, or it's a nothing burger, then I delete you. I don't have time to entertain your attention-seeking behaviors or your self-importance.

Have a good day.
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Just confirmed from employee source, NYU-Shanghai closed until Feb 17. Classes were supposed to start back Feb 3. Students telling school they don't want to go back at all until this is over. School trying to accommodate those requests.
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I was just sitting in the hot tub musing that if I were King, I'd be closing down schools and institutions of higher learning for several weeks.

Ah, to be King.
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if you look at the completed data, (of cases resolved either by death or recovery), almost twice as many people die than those who recover. This is a nightmare coming true.
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What's just as concerning to me is that if there were more recoveries, I'd want to be sure to get that out immediately so it looks to the world like I'm getting shit worked out. But, they are not.

Now, is it an administrative issue, or a lack of recoveries. If the situation is as dire as it sounds, I would assume there would come a point where the administrative aspect would go out the window. Also, there will come a point where they either stop testing and treat symptoms, or run out of tests.

Either way, it's a plot for a great sci-fi movie. I hope you are taking notes, you can write a screenplay or book off this situation.
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With the price of wages in China you know not many people like to miss work or have their company not running and earning. Look at how workers get treated and the hours and efficiency they have to work at to keep the job. The empty streets in overcrowded areas. Can you imagine NY looking like that? Public transit shut down. Something serious is going on when money flow starts to get shut down. I wonder what the Chinese local news is programming them with.
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Total horsesh!t. Just saw an interview with a Wuhan doctor that says NOTHING has happened, THERE IS NO "coronavirus", totally made up by sick, sick people and propagated by the lamestream media as usual so people go to the fake MD's and buy more poison out of ignorance, gullibility, and fear.
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Link the horse shit
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I have said this a few times.

There have been ZERO outbreaks in any other country. Just China.

Some of you said to give it time.

This virus has been around since October or November.

There would have already been outbreaks in SOME other country by now. This makes NO sense, at all.

I am not worried as long as there are no major outbreaks in first world countries.

An outbreak in a first world country would actually show us the TRUE numbers. It would tell us how weak or severe it is. It would tell us the mortality rate.

Right now, all of the experts are saying this is a weak flu for most. Yes, for some it is severe. For MOST, however, it is not even enough to go to the hospital.

Logic. No outbreaks in any other country, yet. I'm not overly worried. No reason to panic or spend foolish money on supplies.





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