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Trio
User ID: 78290081 United States 01/29/2020 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 This thread offers more information! This is a contradiction of sorts: "From my perspective China has been very open... We've seen no obvious lack of transparency." Countries are always sensitive about sharing information about disease outbreaks/new diseases, Ryan says. I really don't believe the numbers coming from the CCP are even close to correct. They are looking to save face one way or another with everything. Your perception of me is a reflection of you. I've got a front row seat to the end of the world. my pronouns are: told/you/so |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77046076 United States 01/29/2020 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 This study from China of 99 patients was published today by Lancet. Go to the conclusion section if you find it too hard to understand. Quoting: Toprance1 "...about half of patients infected by 2019-nCoV had chronic underlying diseases, mainly cardiovascular and cerebrovascular diseases and diabetes; this is similar to MERS-CoV.19 Our results suggest that 2019-nCoV is more likely to infect older adult males with chronic comorbidities as a result of the weaker immune functions of these patients." "By the end of Jan 25, 31 (31%) patients had been discharged and 11 (11%) patients had died; all other patients were still in hospital (table 1). The first two deaths were a 61-year-old man (patient 1) and a 69-year-old man (patient 2)." [link to marlin-prod.literatumonline.com (secure)] Also from this article “ The mortality of SARSCoV has been reported as more than 10% and MERSCoV at more than 35%.5,18 At data cutoff for this study, mortality of the 99 included patients infected by 2019nCoV was 11%, resembling that in a previous study.3 However, additional deaths might occur in those still hospitalised.” And This “When populations with low immune function, such as older people, diabetics, people with HIV infection, people with longterm use of immunosuppressive agents, and pregnant women, are infected with 2019nCoV, prompt administration of antibiotics to prevent infection and strengthening of immune support treatment might reduce complications and mortality. In terms of laboratory tests, the absolute value of lymphocytes in most patients was reduced. This result suggests that 2019nCoV might mainly act on lympho cytes, especially T lymphocytes, as does SARSCoV. Virus particles spread through the respiratory mucosa and infect other cells, induce a cytokine storm in the body, generate a series of immune responses, and cause changes in peripheral white blood cells and immune cells such as lymphocytes. Some patients progressed rapidly with ARDS and septic shock, which was eventually followed by multiple organ failure. Therefore, early identification and timely treatment of critical cases is of crucial importance. Use of intravenous immunoglobulin is recommended to enhance the ability of antiinfection for severely ill patients and steroids (methylprednisolone 1–2 mg/kg per day) are recommended for patients with ARDS, for as short a duration of treatment as possible. Some studies suggest that a substantial decrease in the total number of lymphocytes indicates that coronavirus consumes many immune cells and inhibits the body’s cellular immune function. Damage to T lymphocytes might be an important factor leading to exacerbations of patients.25 The low absolute value of lymphocytes could be used as a reference index in the diagnosis of new coronavirus infection” The takeaway here (In this excerpt of the Lancet article) is *no recommendation of antivirals indicated for treatment of critical patients. Although a cocktail of them were given to 75% of the 99 patients studied. *I would assume the use of a corticosteroid, like methylprednisolone, is for cytokine storm. *low value of lymphocytes could be used as early diagnostic criteria |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75993659 Canada 01/29/2020 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 There is talk about closing down Las Vegas because there are to many asian people that go there and the virus could be spread world wide in days. Quoting: Rocky 78068403 Too late. Yes it is. 5 - 14 day incubation period (while simultaneously being contagious during that period) is disastrous. In one month a billion people could be infected. |
uh User ID: 76739748 United States 01/29/2020 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 There is talk about closing down Las Vegas because there are to many asian people that go there and the virus could be spread world wide in days. Quoting: Rocky 78068403 YER A BUM, ROCKY! UH BUMM! the Hoe Houses too? TO CELEBRATE P.66 I WILL STATE NOW THAT VEGAS WILL ADMIT TO A CASE IN A DAY OR TWO...! |
TheParadigmMan
User ID: 73614421 United States 01/29/2020 02:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 This is a very succintly done video that shows the statements from WHO and most of our governments are ridiculous at best !! But the shills don't pay attention to logical discussion. Thanks again Nawty for keeping a tight ship with such an important place to congregate and extrapolate info !! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72819821 United States 01/29/2020 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 I did see video today on Twitter of people going door to door in Wuhan and posting signs that supposedly indicate a sick person and are locking them inside their homes. I’m guessing that those people will not be counted in the official numbers. |
Trio
User ID: 78290081 United States 01/29/2020 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 It may still take a while to really spread in the west.. but what is going to happen when CHINA collapses? They cant stay out of business for very long. They will run out of food soon and there are hundreds of millions of poor people there. What do we see happening when China collapses? Your perception of me is a reflection of you. I've got a front row seat to the end of the world. my pronouns are: told/you/so |
Deplorable Revbo™
User ID: 77397371 United States 01/29/2020 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 It may still take a while to really spread in the west.. but what is going to happen when CHINA collapses? They cant stay out of business for very long. They will run out of food soon and there are hundreds of millions of poor people there. Quoting: Trio What do we see happening when China collapses? Just the shortage of Nike's will cause riots, and riots will be the least of our concerns. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. |
ParamedicUK
User ID: 78396785 United Kingdom 01/29/2020 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 [link to twitter.com (secure)] from the other thread but worth looking at the figures in the spread sheet in the link above. These project to... 1 week= 80K infected 2 weeks= 1.1 mil 3 weeks= 14.7 mil 1 month= 198 mil Doubling every 1.7 days and look at the match to the logarithm graph on wiki... [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Lots of people say its slowing - but look again at the simulation... [link to www.idmod.org] Once the International H2H cells start to grow the real trouble begins and it seems they are starting in Canada! Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way…… Peace not War. |
TheParadigmMan
User ID: 73614421 United States 01/29/2020 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 My comment: Will need to translate web page but so much for only mild cases outside China ... Looks like France might be the first "hot spot" outside China ... or at least the first reported one anyhow. The Article: Coronavirus in France: a fifth confirmed case, the daughter of the Chinese tourist hospitalized in Paris [link to www.bfmtv.com (secure)] |
Trio
User ID: 78290081 United States 01/29/2020 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 [link to twitter.com (secure)] Quoting: ParamedicUK from the other thread but worth looking at the figures in the spread sheet in the link above. These project to... 1 week= 80K infected 2 weeks= 1.1 mil 3 weeks= 14.7 mil 1 month= 198 mil Doubling every 1.7 days and look at the match to the logarithm graph on wiki... [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Lots of people say its slowing - but look again at the simulation... [link to www.idmod.org] Once the International H2H cells start to grow the real trouble begins and it seems they are starting in Canada! And yet all the shills keep saying this is a "nothing burger". We all need to wake up now. Your perception of me is a reflection of you. I've got a front row seat to the end of the world. my pronouns are: told/you/so |
NawtyBits
(OP) User ID: 78033304 United States 01/29/2020 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 There's one thing I don't understand. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659 In all the videos from people in Wuhan and other quarantined cities, like the foreign YouTubers stuck in China who posted videos of them walking on the empty streets .... Where the fuck is the Chinese military?? Dont they have a very large army? Why are none of the videos showing any military road blocks, military check points, nor does it show any type of armed patrols to keep the peace and order and to enforce the quarantines. That one video showed a city of 11 million people quarantined. The streets were empty. But at the same time there were no police or military anywhere to be seen. Wtf is going on over there? They are not under martial law. And only some are under forced quarantines. I suspect the military is securing roads in and out, and assisting with forced quarantines. Otherwise, I would think the Generals will keep the troops ready someplace that the risk of infection among the soldiers is minimal, until they are needed. I would. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
ParamedicUK
User ID: 78396785 United Kingdom 01/29/2020 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 [link to twitter.com (secure)] Quoting: ParamedicUK from the other thread but worth looking at the figures in the spread sheet in the link above. These project to... 1 week= 80K infected 2 weeks= 1.1 mil 3 weeks= 14.7 mil 1 month= 198 mil Doubling every 1.7 days and look at the match to the logarithm graph on wiki... [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Lots of people say its slowing - but look again at the simulation... [link to www.idmod.org] Once the International H2H cells start to grow the real trouble begins and it seems they are starting in Canada! And yet all the shills keep saying this is a "nothing burger". We all need to wake up now. it hasn't moved from that straight line since numbers reported on 16th. death rate follows exactly as well. Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way…… Peace not War. |
NawtyBits
(OP) User ID: 78033304 United States 01/29/2020 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 This study from China of 99 patients was published today by Lancet. Go to the conclusion section if you find it too hard to understand. Quoting: Toprance1 "...about half of patients infected by 2019-nCoV had chronic underlying diseases, mainly cardiovascular and cerebrovascular diseases and diabetes; this is similar to MERS-CoV.19 Our results suggest that 2019-nCoV is more likely to infect older adult males with chronic comorbidities as a result of the weaker immune functions of these patients." "By the end of Jan 25, 31 (31%) patients had been discharged and 11 (11%) patients had died; all other patients were still in hospital (table 1). The first two deaths were a 61-year-old man (patient 1) and a 69-year-old man (patient 2)." [link to marlin-prod.literatumonline.com (secure)] Also from this article “ The mortality of SARSCoV has been reported as more than 10% and MERSCoV at more than 35%.5,18 At data cutoff for this study, mortality of the 99 included patients infected by 2019nCoV was 11%, resembling that in a previous study.3 However, additional deaths might occur in those still hospitalised.” And This “When populations with low immune function, such as older people, diabetics, people with HIV infection, people with longterm use of immunosuppressive agents, and pregnant women, are infected with 2019nCoV, prompt administration of antibiotics to prevent infection and strengthening of immune support treatment might reduce complications and mortality. In terms of laboratory tests, the absolute value of lymphocytes in most patients was reduced. This result suggests that 2019nCoV might mainly act on lympho cytes, especially T lymphocytes, as does SARSCoV. Virus particles spread through the respiratory mucosa and infect other cells, induce a cytokine storm in the body, generate a series of immune responses, and cause changes in peripheral white blood cells and immune cells such as lymphocytes. Some patients progressed rapidly with ARDS and septic shock, which was eventually followed by multiple organ failure. Therefore, early identification and timely treatment of critical cases is of crucial importance. Use of intravenous immunoglobulin is recommended to enhance the ability of antiinfection for severely ill patients and steroids (methylprednisolone 1–2 mg/kg per day) are recommended for patients with ARDS, for as short a duration of treatment as possible. Some studies suggest that a substantial decrease in the total number of lymphocytes indicates that coronavirus consumes many immune cells and inhibits the body’s cellular immune function. Damage to T lymphocytes might be an important factor leading to exacerbations of patients.25 The low absolute value of lymphocytes could be used as a reference index in the diagnosis of new coronavirus infection” The takeaway here (In this excerpt of the Lancet article) is *no recommendation of antivirals indicated for treatment of critical patients. Although a cocktail of them were given to 75% of the 99 patients studied. *I would assume the use of a corticosteroid, like methylprednisolone, is for cytokine storm. *low value of lymphocytes could be used as early diagnostic criteria This is the first time I have seen cytokine storms mentioned. So, out assumptions were correct. So, cytokine storm, steroids. Prednisolone was the go to for H5N1. I don't remember SARS, but it stands to reason, it was used. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
NawtyBits
(OP) User ID: 78033304 United States 01/29/2020 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 It may still take a while to really spread in the west.. but what is going to happen when CHINA collapses? They cant stay out of business for very long. They will run out of food soon and there are hundreds of millions of poor people there. Quoting: Trio What do we see happening when China collapses? This concerns me as much as anything. Would they be stupid enough to do something desperate so the rest of the world stays on an even footing? WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
NawtyBits
(OP) User ID: 78033304 United States 01/29/2020 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 [link to twitter.com (secure)] Quoting: ParamedicUK from the other thread but worth looking at the figures in the spread sheet in the link above. These project to... 1 week= 80K infected 2 weeks= 1.1 mil 3 weeks= 14.7 mil 1 month= 198 mil Doubling every 1.7 days and look at the match to the logarithm graph on wiki... [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Lots of people say its slowing - but look again at the simulation... [link to www.idmod.org] Once the International H2H cells start to grow the real trouble begins and it seems they are starting in Canada! A two day trend on a 2 week issue means little. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
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NawtyBits
(OP) User ID: 78033304 United States 01/29/2020 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 My comment: Will need to translate web page but so much for only mild cases outside China ... Looks like France might be the first "hot spot" outside China ... or at least the first reported one anyhow. Quoting: TheParadigmMan The Article: Coronavirus in France: a fifth confirmed case, the daughter of the Chinese tourist hospitalized in Paris [link to www.bfmtv.com (secure)] So H2H in France now? WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
ParamedicUK
User ID: 78396785 United Kingdom 01/29/2020 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 [link to twitter.com (secure)] Quoting: ParamedicUK from the other thread but worth looking at the figures in the spread sheet in the link above. These project to... 1 week= 80K infected 2 weeks= 1.1 mil 3 weeks= 14.7 mil 1 month= 198 mil Doubling every 1.7 days and look at the match to the logarithm graph on wiki... [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Lots of people say its slowing - but look again at the simulation... [link to www.idmod.org] Once the International H2H cells start to grow the real trouble begins and it seems they are starting in Canada! A two day trend on a 2 week issue means little. 13 day trend? Herd immunity and vaccine free is the only way…… Peace not War. |
Trio
User ID: 78290081 United States 01/29/2020 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 It may still take a while to really spread in the west.. but what is going to happen when CHINA collapses? They cant stay out of business for very long. They will run out of food soon and there are hundreds of millions of poor people there. Quoting: Trio What do we see happening when China collapses? This concerns me as much as anything. Would they be stupid enough to do something desperate so the rest of the world stays on an even footing? What would be desperate? TPTB must be projecting scenarios of China collapsing. Putting most any country out of business for a week would be disastrous. They could freeze the markets to prevent a crash and make a bank holiday. But this would most likely lead to civil unrest and looting. I really wonder what they could be predicting at this point. Your perception of me is a reflection of you. I've got a front row seat to the end of the world. my pronouns are: told/you/so |
TheParadigmMan
User ID: 73614421 United States 01/29/2020 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 My comment: Will need to translate web page but so much for only mild cases outside China ... Looks like France might be the first "hot spot" outside China ... or at least the first reported one anyhow. Quoting: TheParadigmMan The Article: Coronavirus in France: a fifth confirmed case, the daughter of the Chinese tourist hospitalized in Paris [link to www.bfmtv.com (secure)] So H2H in France now? That's the way it looked to me and a healthy young person going critical after H2H.. |
NawtyBits
(OP) User ID: 78033304 United States 01/29/2020 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 [link to twitter.com (secure)] Quoting: ParamedicUK from the other thread but worth looking at the figures in the spread sheet in the link above. These project to... 1 week= 80K infected 2 weeks= 1.1 mil 3 weeks= 14.7 mil 1 month= 198 mil Doubling every 1.7 days and look at the match to the logarithm graph on wiki... [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Lots of people say its slowing - but look again at the simulation... [link to www.idmod.org] Once the International H2H cells start to grow the real trouble begins and it seems they are starting in Canada! A two day trend on a 2 week issue means little. 13 day trend? No, for those that think the trend is slowing. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
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NawtyBits
(OP) User ID: 78033304 United States 01/29/2020 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: COVID* STANDFORD MASK STUDY---Elsevier journal to retract widely debunked masks study whose author claimed a Stanford affiliation p345 It may still take a while to really spread in the west.. but what is going to happen when CHINA collapses? They cant stay out of business for very long. They will run out of food soon and there are hundreds of millions of poor people there. Quoting: Trio What do we see happening when China collapses? This concerns me as much as anything. Would they be stupid enough to do something desperate so the rest of the world stays on an even footing? What would be desperate? TPTB must be projecting scenarios of China collapsing. Putting most any country out of business for a week would be disastrous. They could freeze the markets to prevent a crash and make a bank holiday. But this would most likely lead to civil unrest and looting. I really wonder what they could be predicting at this point. The Chinese have long-term imperialistic goals. They already believe they own everything in the S China Sea and S Pacific. They see themselves as a world super power, even though then can mostly project in their area. However, presumably, they have ICBMs. If you saw your 100 year plan suddenly dashed, and you were in charge of China, your economy destroyed, your people, the ones left anyway, coming after those in power with pitch forks and torches......well, what would you do? Worst-case scenario, WW3 on top of everything. As I said much earlier in this thread, when I see the ChiComms starting to imply they were attacked with a bio-weapon, then I think the worst-case is likely, as they would be setting up for "retaliation." My VERY humble opinion. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
Bodog
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