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I live "out in the province", but have to travel next week to Metro Manila to get my NBI (FBI equivalent) clearance and visit US embassy in Manila.

Note that both P1/P2 are Chinese nationals, not Filipino or returning Overseas Filipino Workers (OFW). The Philippines DOH is setting up a quarantine zone near me at Ft. Magsaysay at a medical facility used to treat drug addicts. All the locals are angry and worried about it.

How the fuck do.you sterilize stool????

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Put the bedpan on the kitchen burner, boil it for 10 minutes.

Question, since this is a flu like virus, we have been lead to believe, wouldn’t the numbers start dwindling of new cases because we are heading into warmer temps? For KY our temps are going to be in 50s and 60s this week.
I recall reading colder temps the virus survives longer on surfaces.
The reason I’m asking is maybe the first wave will subside and then Fall and winter could pick up again?

With that being said, I would imagine mid Feb into March we will know if Countries outside of China are fairing better.

"How the fuck do.you sterilize stool????"
Soldiers burn it in garbage cans with gasoline.

Agreed, you have take into account full gestation to do the math propper. So you should compare dead to infected 2 weeks ago. Also recovered vs dead suggests closer to 40% death rate.

Hospitals in the states do it all the time.

My opinion is that the major way this is a flu like virus is that is causes pneumonia. MERS is a cornoavirus and the Middle East can be pretty darn warm.

But, coronaviruses last longer as fomites in cooler, dryer places, so who knows.

But in the US, flu season is still several months longer

(And we have cases in Australia and Philipines, and it's not flu season there. Hong Kong has summer like temps.)

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The spanish influenza was so deadly because the new wonder drug of the first world war was prescribed copiously (aspirin) to break the fever and as we know....high fever is mammals way of killing a virus.. As the virus recovered after nearly beimg killed by the fever...it returned weeks later and the patient who seemed to recover finally died from water in lungs.

chinese cities outside Hubei Province starting to shut down,

Wenzhou. Zhejiang province. 2nd most cases in this province. City of 9 million people. East of Hubei province. On the East China Sea.

h/t kiwibird at FT

Machine translation of an article concerning the volunteer drivers of Wuhan. The dates are a little mixed up but the article appears to say that they are less busy than they were - previously making a dozen or so trips a day and now half that amount. I do not know how to verify this - but if it is true - then it is very encouraging.

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snip.... I thought there were only two orders today. As a result, a total of five or six medical staff were picked up. I can't remember. I also took more than 600 bags of sliced bread to Hankou Hospital. More than 500 bags were given to medical staff of Hankou Hospital, and 110 bags were given to volunteer drivers.


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According to reports, some research results published for 2019-nCoV have some reference significance for epidemic prevention and control. Epidemiological studies indicate that the median age of 2019-nCoV-infected pneumonia patients is 59 years, 56% are male, and the average incubation period for viral infection is 5.2 days (95% confidence interval is 4.1 to 7.0), and 95% of the distribution points are 12.5 days. The average virality was 2.2. Fever is still a typical symptom of 2019-nCoV infected patients. Although asymptomatic infections have also been reported, it is not the main body. For current prevention and control, it is still necessary to focus on the majority. The analysis of the 2019-nCoV genome shows that it has 79.5% similarity with SARS-CoV and 96% similarity with bat-derived CoV, basically supporting 2019-nCoV from bats, but whether there is an intermediate host currently Research is needed. 2019-nCoV, like SARS-CoV, enters human cells through the ACE2 receptor, and the receptor binding domains of the two have a high similarity. Studies have also found that SARS-CoV-specific monoclonal antibody CR3022 can effectively bind to the 2019-nCoV receptor binding domain to neutralize virus infection, which also provides ideas for the development of antibody drugs.

Zhong Nanshan introduced that the virus damages the body in two main ways. One is the direct damage caused by the virus' damage to the body's cells; the other is the indirect immune damage caused by the damaged cell tissue. Once the immune response produced by itself is too strong, it may lead to more serious body damage, leading to serious illness.



Comment: So damages cells directly, and causes cytokine storm. I wonder what the cell damage looks like. Lungs only? I've seen several people have died from multiple organ failure.

Thank you for the update

Let us know how your trip goes. Wash your hands. Use a ton of hand sanitzer. Don't touch anything you don't have to. DDon't touch your face. Have fun!

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6:28 pm Feb 2

Good news! 37 coronavirus patients were discharged from Wuhan's Jinyintan on Sunday, the highest daily discharge since the pneumonia outbreak began: media reports

5:43 pm Feb 2

"It's possible," said renowned respiratory expert Zhong Nanshan when asked if the nCoV2019 could be transmitted via vomit or feces. "We should attach great importance to the matter, as the virus has been discovered in feces."

5:20 pm Feb 2

World's youngest coronavirus patient, a 9-month-old baby, has recovered and will be released from hospital in Beijing.

4:53 pm Feb 2

Another 8 confirmed cases of nCoV2019 have been reported in Beijing, increasing the total to 191 as of Sunday noon.

3:35 pm Feb 2

A total of 1,200 doctors and nurses from critical care units of 10 provinces and municipalities arrived in Wuhan on Sunday to support the local community fighting the novel coronavirus, said an official from the National Health Commission.

3:25 pm Feb 2

Chinese nationals or those who have visited the Chinese mainland, HK and Macao in the past 14 days are prohibited from entering the Philippines from Sunday.

3:00 pm Feb 2

Escalating preventive measures in combating the coronavirus: Huanggang, a neighboring city to Wuhan recording the second-highest number of infection cases in Hubei, is enhancing control measures and shutting down commercial premises to prevent public assemblies.

1:25 pm Feb 2

1 patient infected 10 others with novel coronavirus! Health authority in Xuzhou, E.China's Jiangsu Province reported the case and warned residents to avoid any type of gatherings.

The death rate isn't calculated by comparing the total number of cases to the dead, but the recovered to the dead.
This has always been the way we do it.

This virus is difficult because death can be quick, and recovery is very slow, and may be a false one. Thus we're seeing that warning that a patient may be reinfected.

The death rate is not important at this time. What is important is the spread, and whether what is spreading is particularly dangerous. The reports from Germany would indicate this is not the case. The eight infected, including a child from one of the homes of the workers, are not seriously ill. In fact, they were hospitalized for public health purposes (isolation).
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Passenger with nose 'running like Niagara Falls' questions Canada's airport coronavirus screening

A physician who said he developed "a nasty cold with a cough and runny nose" while on a flight from Hong Kong to Toronto is questioning whether there are adequate safeguards to prevent the spread of coronavirus in Canada.

Massey Beveridge, a retired general surgeon, said he was "waved" through Pearson International Airport even after reporting his symptoms to a border services agent.

"My nose is running like Niagara Falls, I'm coughing and feeling pretty miserable," Beveridge told CBC News.

He says he explained his symptoms to the agent and that he was taken to a screened-off area with face masks and hand wash.

"The immigration officer came back a few minutes later and said, 'Here's a handout. You can call public health if you like'," Beveridge added.

"I figured there'd be some kind of public health person coming to interview me."

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Beveridge was returning to Canada from Cambodia but changed planes in Hong Kong after flying from Phnom Penh.

He said he was anxious, even though he had not been anywhere near Wuhan. Cambodia has so far reported only one case of the coronavirus and it was travel-related.

Additionally, given the concerns over the coronavirus in China and other Southeast Asian countries, he figured he'd better do something on his return to make sure he didn't spread whatever he had.

"Nobody even took my temperature. And you know if we're really trying to keep this out of Canada, it seems that that was not a very thorough screening process," Beveridge said.

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Urgent shortage of medical supplies


The spread of pneumonia in Wuhan has intensified, and medical supplies are in short supply. Chinese Premier Li Keqiang has asked the EU to facilitate China's procurement of medical supplies. European Commission President Von Delane promised full assistance.

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Experts: Patients are basically non-infectious after 2 weeks without anti-viral treatment

On February 1, the medical team has been working at Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital for a week as two patients with pneumococcal infection infected with the new coronavirus treated by the Shanghai Aidu Medical Team were discharged. In the process, experts including the medical team leader, Zhou Xin, a professor of respiratory medicine at Shanghai First People's Hospital, also gained a deeper understanding of the new coronavirus. In an exclusive interview with reporters, Zhou Xin said for the first time that "the weakening of the contagiousness of patients after two weeks of antiviral treatment is of great significance to our prevention and control."

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As far as new pneumonia is concerned, most of them are mild and 80% are mild. Recovery can be achieved within one to two weeks after administration, and the nucleic acid test is negative. Although the detection of severe patients is also negative, the damage to the lungs is still not good, and the repair of the lungs will take some time.

From the perspective of antiviral therapy, a patient is treated for one to two weeks, which is such a long course of treatment. If the ventilator is still used after one month, it will not make sense to fight the virus again, because he is no longer detoxifying. Yesterday we performed nucleic acid tests on all patients in the ward. Only 3 patients were positive, and the other patients were negative. Negative patients are hospitalized for more than two weeks, so we have come to the conclusion: patients with more than two weeks have less contagiousness, which is very meaningful for our prevention and control.

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Unique way of shopping! A girl operates a remote-controlled car at home to buy steamed bread in Shandong Province. Due to the outbreak of novel #coronavirus, people are advised to travel less and stay at home to avoid infection.



Clever girl. Where there's a will there's a way. Video at link.

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Facing a severe shortage of masks amid #coronavirus outbreak, Chinese people have come up with unique ideas to make their special masks.



Video at link. Some silly, some that make me go hmmmmmm, including the diaper mask and the sanitary pad mask. Both are moisture proof. You would just have to worry about a good seal. And, more importantly, wings or no wings.

Twitter is being overrun with the "god is punishing you because you eat meat" idiots.

Stupidity has no limits.

Thanks for your thread on this!

I'm trying to post an article, but can't, so I'll post a link to flutrackers translation. But go to the full article from this link and read it.

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HIV component has not been debunked, and HIV drugs which are really really expensive here, seem to be working.

It also explains why you don't build up antibodies and can keep getting it over and over again because your immune system is being destroyed.


Every time I hear the word debunked I think of Schiff in the senate claiming that any wrong doing of the Bidens has been debunked.

The word means nothing.

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It has been debunked by several noted virologists. HIV drugs are anti-virals, I'm not surprised they appear to be working on nCoV, a virus.


"At the whole-body level, immune-mediated damage, due to activation of cytokines and/or chemokines and, perhaps, autoimmunity, may play key roles in the clinical and pathological features of SARS. Continued research is still required to determine the pathogenetic mechanisms involved and to combat this new emerging human infectious disease."

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So, possible auto-immunity isn't confined to nCoV, it was also suspected in SARS.

and

The onset of autoimmune responses in SARS-CoV infection may be implicated in SARS pathogenesis.

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So, coronavirus can cause an autoimmune response, including, presumably, nCoV.

I am a paranormal investigator, the word debunked is part of my everyday lexicon. I'm sorry Shitt ruined it for you.

But, that doesn't make it any less appropriate here.

But, I'll put it this way. I've been shown enough information from experts to reasonably conclude that HIV doesn't appear to be a factor at this time.

So, without trying to sound like a complete asshole, for the purposes of this thread, there is no need for HIV discussion right now. Sorry.

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So I suffer from severe plaque psoriasis, but have been nearly symptom free for the last 4 years due to regular injections of Stelara, which is a biological that suppresses the auto-immune response. It’s in the same class of drugs as Remicaid and Humeria. I am really curious what happens when the time comes that I contract the new virus. Will the Stelara make me more prone to get it, but less likely to have severe symptoms? Not that I particularly want to participate in that experiment, but it is something that is constantly there in the back of my mind.

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