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Newshunter
User ID: 22884594 United States 03/06/2014 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 #OSCE High Comm. on National Minorities: "There's absolutely no evidence of any Russian minority rights violations in Crimea" @NATOSource |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 52715242 France 03/06/2014 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Such a reversal from a month ago. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54504562 One has to wonder what the overall strategic advantage is. Sure, they get their port... But why isolate yourself from foreign money like this? Russia's declining population, low defence budget(compared to the whole of NATO, who they are now pitting themselves against), just doesn't make it sound like this is a smart move. Perhaps Russia knows about the impending dollar collapse and is seeking to insulate itself? Or is it a pretext for kicking foreign companies out of Russia so the oligarchs can have complete control over their resources? I am no economist. But such a minor territory grab to ensure access to a port seems like a much more hurtful prospect in the long run. Russians founded the first settlements on the Crimea, during the last several centuries fought several wars to defend the Crimea, the majority there are Russians. Economic aspects are not as important if you defend your turf. Do not expect that Putin gives it to the idiot in your white house, or has any second thoughts in fighting over this "minor port" even if this would mean WW3. On the economic front, you can expect the iron curtain is going down along the future iron curtain line. |
Sun_dancer
User ID: 48671548 United States 03/06/2014 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Just recapping something that was posted around 6 hours ago on this thread that many are not aware. I don't have a link. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54681128 Based on the agreement of accepting loan from EU, ukraine announced this morning that all pensions will be cut by 50% effective immediately. This is total madness. Remind me please which cuntry is the communist one here? Not good. Pensions already so low people cannot afford anything but potatoes - $160 / month (this is not just RT reporting, it is fact of Ukraine). Food generally costs as much as in EU - can you imagine eating on 110 Euros a month (or 55 Euros after this cut)? And some pensioners still have to help support children / grandchildren where mother cannot find job or makes too little .... [link to rt.com] Now maybe some Ukrainians will wake up and see EU for what it is. Instead of killing their old people they should tax the rich. In Ukraine tax-avoidance is worse than Greece. Last Edited by Sun_dancer on 03/06/2014 03:44 PM Sun_dancer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49880444 Netherlands 03/06/2014 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I honestly believe that Putin has a heart. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe his quarrell is with civilians in ANY country, unless they are violent idiots. Quoting: Yes I Did !!!! I think if things really get "dicey" Putin will actually do an EMP attack to try and STOP the military and their communications. I can see that as an alternative to "nukes". :putinheart: |
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User ID: 49296592 United States 03/06/2014 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 /r/UkrainianConflict ‏@UkraineConflict 1m Syria's Assad agrees with Russia on Ukrainian issue - [link to voiceofrussia.com] …. |
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User ID: 49296592 United States 03/06/2014 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 /r/UkrainianConflict ‏@UkraineConflict 1m Quoting: < DL > Syria's Assad agrees with Russia on Ukrainian issue - [link to voiceofrussia.com] …. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12338010 United States 03/06/2014 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Forgive me but I'm confused. Quoting: R.P. McMurphy Early this morning, I was following this thread and saw how the Ukrainian Parliament voted to join with Russia. Yet, this morning I wake up to Lerch, (Kerry) attempting to talk tough about imposing sanctions. And now this?! I don't understand why this whole situation is continuing to escalate when it's apparent that, after ratification, Ukraine is going to be part of Russian again. What am I missing? Why is this continuing to escalate? That vote doesn't mean anything under international law, so no one outside of Crimea (and maybe Russia) recognizes the vote. But the whole world has to accept new government that took the power based on coup d'etat, right? OMG |
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Yes I Did !!!!
User ID: 3478033 United States 03/06/2014 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Raymond Pritchett ‏@Galrahn 2m Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5433393 Locals noting a Russian medical detachment, 18 trucks, arrived via Kerch ferry tonight. Expand Not good. Medics?? Fucking hell, now Russia plans to use medics suddenly?? Dunno why /sarcasm Perhaps they intend to heal people to death. Thank you... I needed a little humor. "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." ~ Albert Einstein |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54954865 United States 03/06/2014 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Fuck.. I just realized this.. if Crimea really can join Russia because "we live here and we can decide our own future" Quoting: FunkY Well shiiiet... what are all the other people across the globe gonna do when they hear that? Catalonia and so on .. this could start a big wave... Self determination bad unless it is done under certain circumstances. Actually one circumstance: when it supports NATO/US ambitions. Whats going on in Crimea is nothing whatsoever about self-determination. It is the annexation of Crimea by Russian military force. All opposition to it in Crimea is being silenced. International observers denied entry. TV stations taken over in Crimea and replaced with government propaganda. UN rep chased out at gunpoint which was no doubt on orders of Putin. Every nation at UN condemns, including China. Last polling before Ukraine crisis had only 41% of Crimea wanting to join Russia. No legitimate vote will take place under an illegal and universally-condemned and oppressive foreign military occupation of this sort. What Putin is doing is madness and will take all of Russia down with him if not stopped. |
tmorais
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18194413 United States 03/06/2014 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Message to Russia and Putin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18194413 Do not be intimidated by the sanctions and hypocrisy of America and Europe. They need Russia more than Russia needs them. Putin needs to be more aggressive in dealing with these, double standard countries. It is time Putin starts sanctions on Europe and America too!! what is he waiting for? These current bureaucrats in America and Europe only understand the law of brute force. They are like adolescent children. GIVE THEM A GOOD WHIPPING, and they may learn not to behave in such hypocritical ways. Putin you need to be more aggressive. Perhaps YOU need to move! You should be VERY careful about talking the way you are. America is full of hipocracy in its foreighn policy. America is the country that instigated the coup in Ukraine. America is the country that invaded Iraq on Lies !! America is the country that invaded Afganistan. America has no moral legs to criticise Russia. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15192920 United States 03/06/2014 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Fuck.. I just realized this.. if Crimea really can join Russia because "we live here and we can decide our own future" Quoting: FunkY Well shiiiet... what are all the other people across the globe gonna do when they hear that? Catalonia and so on .. this could start a big wave... Self determination bad unless it is done under certain circumstances. Actually one circumstance: when it supports NATO/US ambitions. Whats going on in Crimea is nothing whatsoever about self-determination. It is the annexation of Crimea by Russian military force. All opposition to it in Crimea is being silenced. International observers denied entry. TV stations taken over in Crimea and replaced with government propaganda. UN rep chased out at gunpoint which was no doubt on orders of Putin. Every nation at UN condemns, including China. Last polling before Ukraine crisis had only 41% of Crimea wanting to join Russia. No legitimate vote will take place under an illegal and universally-condemned and oppressive foreign military occupation of this sort. What Putin is doing is madness and will take all of Russia down with him if not stopped. No. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15192920 United States 03/06/2014 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Message to Russia and Putin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18194413 Do not be intimidated by the sanctions and hypocrisy of America and Europe. They need Russia more than Russia needs them. Putin needs to be more aggressive in dealing with these, double standard countries. It is time Putin starts sanctions on Europe and America too!! what is he waiting for? These current bureaucrats in America and Europe only understand the law of brute force. They are like adolescent children. GIVE THEM A GOOD WHIPPING, and they may learn not to behave in such hypocritical ways. Putin you need to be more aggressive. Perhaps YOU need to move! You should be VERY careful about talking the way you are. America is full of hipocracy in its foreighn policy. America is the country that instigated the coup in Ukraine. America is the country that invaded Iraq on Lies !! America is the country that invaded Afganistan. America has no moral legs to criticise Russia. Yes. |
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User ID: 49296592 United States 03/06/2014 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Message to Russia and Putin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18194413 Do not be intimidated by the sanctions and hypocrisy of America and Europe. They need Russia more than Russia needs them. Putin needs to be more aggressive in dealing with these, double standard countries. It is time Putin starts sanctions on Europe and America too!! what is he waiting for? These current bureaucrats in America and Europe only understand the law of brute force. They are like adolescent children. GIVE THEM A GOOD WHIPPING, and they may learn not to behave in such hypocritical ways. Putin you need to be more aggressive. Perhaps YOU need to move! You should be VERY careful about talking the way you are. America is full of hipocracy in its foreighn policy. America is the country that instigated the coup in Ukraine. America is the country that invaded Iraq on Lies !! America is the country that invaded Afganistan. America has no moral legs to criticise Russia. Cool |
fooz
User ID: 1574146 United States 03/06/2014 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Such a reversal from a month ago. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54504562 One has to wonder what the overall strategic advantage is. Sure, they get their port... But why isolate yourself from foreign money like this? Russia's declining population, low defence budget(compared to the whole of NATO, who they are now pitting themselves against), just doesn't make it sound like this is a smart move. Perhaps Russia knows about the impending dollar collapse and is seeking to insulate itself? Or is it a pretext for kicking foreign companies out of Russia so the oligarchs can have complete control over their resources? I am no economist. But such a minor territory grab to ensure access to a port seems like a much more hurtful prospect in the long run. Russians founded the first settlements on the Crimea, during the last several centuries fought several wars to defend the Crimea, the majority there are Russians. Economic aspects are not as important if you defend your turf. Do not expect that Putin gives it to the idiot in your white house, or has any second thoughts in fighting over this "minor port" even if this would mean WW3. On the economic front, you can expect the iron curtain is going down along the future iron curtain line. This is incorrect. The Crimean Khanate was founded in 1441 after a series of invasions of the area and was populated by muslim turks. The Tartars ruled the area for much of this time until Russia annexed Crimea in 1783 after the end of the Russo-Turkish War. There was tension between the Tartars and the Russian Empire, but w/e. In 1853 the Crimean War broke out between Russia and the Ottoman Empire (which was falling apart). England and France rushed to the aide of the Ottoman Empire to protect Christians in the region and stop the spread of Russian influence into the Ottoman territories. The war ended with Russian defeat in 1856. But it's worth noting that at this point nearly 70-80% of the population of Crimea was still Tartars. The result was major war debts owed by Russia. So severe that they had to sell Alaska to the United States (1867) and it sent the Tsarist regime into a tumble that would ultimately sink the Russian Empire. Also many Russians felt the Tartars had been loyal to the Ottomans, and indeed many Tartars fought on the Ottoman side. Tension between the two groups grew. As the Russian Empire collapsed, the Bolsheviks started the Red Revolution. The White Army, which opposed the Red Army, made it's last stand in Crimea. The Bolsheviks decided that to supplement the food necessities of the rest of Mother Russia they'd ship off the produce and farm products of Ukraine and Crimea to Russia proper. They did this to the extent that in 1920-1922 famine ravished the Crimean region. The Bolsheviks were not fans of the Tartars and systematically tried to remove them from Crimea. This worked to some extent and by the 1930's the Tartar population had declined to around 30% of the population. When Stalin took power, it was all over for the Tartars. He despised them and when the Nazi's took over the region in WWII he figured they had conspired to assist the Nazi's. Without much proof Stalin decided that he would start immediate deportations of the Tartars to Central Asia. The KGB (or equivalent of the time) showed up and deported ~200,000 Tartars out of the region. They were given 20-30 minutes to collect their things and shipped off to Central Asia in cattle cars. Which is why Tartarstan exists today. Ironically it's one of the most productive Russian Federation Territories. Tartar members of the Red Army who were fighting in WWII were shipped off to Gulags in Sibera and the Urals. At this point (early to mid-1950's) the Tartar population ceased to exist in Crimea. The Russians had taken over the territory and in 1954 Crimea was given to the Ukraine (then a soviet republic). The extermination of the native people was complete. BUTTTT....after the collapse of the Soviet Union Tartars began emigrating back to the region and now comprise about 10% of the population. So the next time you see in the news where they refer to Crimea as "predominantly Russian" there's a reason for that. It's based in History. The region hasn't historically been Russian. They just want the base of their Black Sea Fleet secure. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 18194413 United States 03/06/2014 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Message to Russia and Putin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18194413 Do not be intimidated by the sanctions and hypocrisy of America and Europe. They need Russia more than Russia needs them. Putin needs to be more aggressive in dealing with these, double standard countries. It is time Putin starts sanctions on Europe and America too!! what is he waiting for? These current bureaucrats in America and Europe only understand the law of brute force. They are like adolescent children. GIVE THEM A GOOD WHIPPING, and they may learn not to behave in such hypocritical ways. Putin you need to be more aggressive. Perhaps YOU need to move! You should be VERY careful about talking the way you are. America is full of hipocracy in its foreighn policy. America is the country that instigated the coup in Ukraine. America is the country that invaded Iraq on Lies !! America is the country that invaded Afganistan. America has no moral legs to criticise Russia. The educated Americans know this, but what can they do? The country has been taken over and run by a Cabal that is bent on World domination. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54954865 United States 03/06/2014 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Fuck.. I just realized this.. if Crimea really can join Russia because "we live here and we can decide our own future" Quoting: FunkY Well shiiiet... what are all the other people across the globe gonna do when they hear that? Catalonia and so on .. this could start a big wave... Self determination bad unless it is done under certain circumstances. Actually one circumstance: when it supports NATO/US ambitions. Whats going on in Crimea is nothing whatsoever about self-determination. It is the annexation of Crimea by Russian military force. All opposition to it in Crimea is being silenced. International observers denied entry. TV stations taken over in Crimea and replaced with government propaganda. UN rep chased out at gunpoint which was no doubt on orders of Putin. Every nation at UN condemns, including China. Last polling before Ukraine crisis had only 41% of Crimea wanting to join Russia. No legitimate vote will take place under an illegal and universally-condemned and oppressive foreign military occupation of this sort. What Putin is doing is madness and will take all of Russia down with him if not stopped. correction: TV stations taken over in Crimea and replaced with *Russian* government propaganda. ADD: Parliament vote today taken in secrecy with armed military inside and out. |
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User ID: 29333438 United States 03/06/2014 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Message to Russia and Putin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18194413 Do not be intimidated by the sanctions and hypocrisy of America and Europe. They need Russia more than Russia needs them. Putin needs to be more aggressive in dealing with these, double standard countries. It is time Putin starts sanctions on Europe and America too!! what is he waiting for? These current bureaucrats in America and Europe only understand the law of brute force. They are like adolescent children. GIVE THEM A GOOD WHIPPING, and they may learn not to behave in such hypocritical ways. Putin you need to be more aggressive. Perhaps YOU need to move! You should be VERY careful about talking the way you are. America is full of hipocracy in its foreighn policy. America is the country that instigated the coup in Ukraine. America is the country that invaded Iraq on Lies !! America is the country that invaded Afganistan. America has no moral legs to criticise Russia. All the while you pretend to know all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55228564 Egypt 03/06/2014 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 More and more dubious people showing up to "check the papers and licenses" focusing on him speaking better Russian, then Ukrainian. Quoting: AdRock Ostria reported that a friend of hers living in Ukraine has been threatened with bats about suck matters. Perhaps everyone suffering should start a website or contact the proper news reporters. I read many reports, from people here, The Russian who mentioned this from his friend, that one you said and online - that can turn into a big issue. Remember what Putin said! |
FunkY
User ID: 44465073 Estonia 03/06/2014 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Stop derailing this thread now seriously don't wanna report anyone. "The master understands that the universe is always out of control". -Lao Tzu The 5th Dimension principal of harmony reveals that supporting others creates strength. The lower dimension mind believes that acquiring or taking from others makes you stronger. Yet, as you can imagine, if all people desire to "take" from others, the fabric of the reality tears itself apart. If you want to start prospering and growing stronger,start focusing on supporting others. If you want to start prospering and growing stronger, focus on supporting others where you can. Give to others that cross YOUR PATH and you soon discover you will be given more. The 5th Dimension principal of harmony means that you will always have an abundance to do a good work. |
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User ID: 49296592 United States 03/06/2014 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Western leaders say they won't recognize result of March 16 Crimea referendum: [link to www.theglobeandmail.com] … |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39189824 United States 03/06/2014 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Message to Russia and Putin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18194413 Do not be intimidated by the sanctions and hypocrisy of America and Europe. They need Russia more than Russia needs them. Putin needs to be more aggressive in dealing with these, double standard countries. It is time Putin starts sanctions on Europe and America too!! what is he waiting for? These current bureaucrats in America and Europe only understand the law of brute force. They are like adolescent children. GIVE THEM A GOOD WHIPPING, and they may learn not to behave in such hypocritical ways. Putin you need to be more aggressive. Perhaps YOU need to move! You should be VERY careful about talking the way you are. America is full of hipocracy in its foreighn policy. America is the country that instigated the coup in Ukraine. America is the country that invaded Iraq on Lies !! America is the country that invaded Afganistan. America has no moral legs to criticise Russia. Is that you Vlad? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55228564 Egypt 03/06/2014 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The Russian Foreign Ministry has accused the US State Department of double standards and low-level propaganda after it published a list of President Vladimir Putin’s “false claims” about the events in Ukraine. Quoting: Limpan “The State Department is trying to play on a shamelessly one-sided interpretation of the events,” ministry spokesperson Aleksandr Lukashevich said on Thursday. “Surely, Washington cannot admit that they were nurturing Maidan [protests], encouraging the violent overthrow of the legitimate government, and thus clearing the way for those who are now pretending to be a legitimate power in Kiev.” On Wednesday, one day after the Russian president's media conference on the events in Ukraine, the US State Department accused him of lying and published a “fact sheet” of Putin's 10 “false claims” surrounding the crisis. Moscow said that it will not respond to such “low-level propaganda.” [link to rt.com] |
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MisfitToy
User ID: 28643549 United States 03/06/2014 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 /r/UkrainianConflict ‏@UkraineConflict 1m Quoting: < DL > Syria's Assad agrees with Russia on Ukrainian issue - [link to voiceofrussia.com] …. no kidding? lol MisfitToy |