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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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How do You think?
Will USA support Kiev in an assault on Crimea?

UKR are gathering forces near Crimea all they need to push on Crimea is :
a) victory with Novorossiya
b) deafeat with Novorossiya

It is imminent :/

UKR economy is in a serious collapse, poroshenko making mobilisation is speading the process.

If they win in Novorossiya then they will hope, that Russians counter attack would stop at Novorossiya. Russia would create new country and Ukr. oligarchs could keep their power. All the economy collapse would be blamed on Russians.

If they lose in Novorossiya then there is a problem, that Russian counter force with the militia could not stop at Novorossiya but move further and faster into Ukraine, taking more land for the new country. And if Obama shows weaknes like he does now, mayby Russians even take Kiev, replace the PM and President - control Ukraine and the new Country next to it.

Why the assault on Crimea is imminent?

Kiev thinks that when they assault Crimea, they can say to the world "we are only trying to take back part of our land"... and that everyone will believe this. They will spin a lot of propaganda, showing destroyed infrastructure and economy by Russians.
They think that NATO will support Ukraine so current UKR elite will still be in power. Also they believe that when Russia creates new country within Ukraine, UE and NATO will allow Ukraine to join....
They believe the West will rebuild their economy and fill their pockets.

A lot of beliefs on UKR side, but they are against the wall.
If war fails > they fail
If economy fails > war fails > they fail

I give it month tops, nobody wants a war in winter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59284360


Of course USA will support them, if they plan to retake Crimea. USA will come up with the plan.

The thing is, I don't think UA would even have the chance to regroup next to Crimea. Russia would take it as a threat, instantly.

Russia is also creating new divisions to put on Crimea, so they will have to battle an real army this time and it will not end nicely, for UA.

Russia also has a law stating that.
A planned attack on our interests by foreign troops is a direct attack on our motherland and we will retaliate.

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A good and unbiased report from a german couple who returned from a family visit in Ukraine:

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Not much has changed in #Ukraine in 70 years [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] …


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Quoting Dostoyevsky:
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REPORTS #NAF HQ That NAF control #Krasnogorovka and #Marinka. All #Ukraine forces pushed out. #cdnpoli
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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Banderistan forcing people to fight in war for westerners profit (a.k.a. looking for those who were "mibilisated"):


“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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How do You think?
Will USA support Kiev in an assault on Crimea?

UKR are gathering forces near Crimea all they need to push on Crimea is :
a) victory with Novorossiya
b) deafeat with Novorossiya

It is imminent :/

UKR economy is in a serious collapse, poroshenko making mobilisation is speading the process.

If they win in Novorossiya then they will hope, that Russians counter attack would stop at Novorossiya. Russia would create new country and Ukr. oligarchs could keep their power. All the economy collapse would be blamed on Russians.

If they lose in Novorossiya then there is a problem, that Russian counter force with the militia could not stop at Novorossiya but move further and faster into Ukraine, taking more land for the new country. And if Obama shows weaknes like he does now, mayby Russians even take Kiev, replace the PM and President - control Ukraine and the new Country next to it.

Why the assault on Crimea is imminent?

Kiev thinks that when they assault Crimea, they can say to the world "we are only trying to take back part of our land"... and that everyone will believe this. They will spin a lot of propaganda, showing destroyed infrastructure and economy by Russians.
They think that NATO will support Ukraine so current UKR elite will still be in power. Also they believe that when Russia creates new country within Ukraine, UE and NATO will allow Ukraine to join....
They believe the West will rebuild their economy and fill their pockets.

A lot of beliefs on UKR side, but they are against the wall.
If war fails > they fail
If economy fails > war fails > they fail

I give it month tops, nobody wants a war in winter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59284360


Of course USA will support them, if they plan to retake Crimea. USA will come up with the plan.

The thing is, I don't think UA would even have the chance to regroup next to Crimea. Russia would take it as a threat, instantly.

Russia is also creating new divisions to put on Crimea, so they will have to battle an real army this time and it will not end nicely, for UA.

Russia also has a law stating that.
A planned attack on our interests by foreign troops is a direct attack on our motherland and we will retaliate.
 Quoting: Falter


A real army with massive air support. Ukraine would last as long as a snowflake in summer.

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How do You think?
Will USA support Kiev in an assault on Crimea?

UKR are gathering forces near Crimea all they need to push on Crimea is :
a) victory with Novorossiya
b) deafeat with Novorossiya

It is imminent :/

UKR economy is in a serious collapse, poroshenko making mobilisation is speading the process.

If they win in Novorossiya then they will hope, that Russians counter attack would stop at Novorossiya. Russia would create new country and Ukr. oligarchs could keep their power. All the economy collapse would be blamed on Russians.

If they lose in Novorossiya then there is a problem, that Russian counter force with the militia could not stop at Novorossiya but move further and faster into Ukraine, taking more land for the new country. And if Obama shows weaknes like he does now, mayby Russians even take Kiev, replace the PM and President - control Ukraine and the new Country next to it.

Why the assault on Crimea is imminent?

Kiev thinks that when they assault Crimea, they can say to the world "we are only trying to take back part of our land"... and that everyone will believe this. They will spin a lot of propaganda, showing destroyed infrastructure and economy by Russians.
They think that NATO will support Ukraine so current UKR elite will still be in power. Also they believe that when Russia creates new country within Ukraine, UE and NATO will allow Ukraine to join....
They believe the West will rebuild their economy and fill their pockets.

A lot of beliefs on UKR side, but they are against the wall.
If war fails > they fail
If economy fails > war fails > they fail

I give it month tops, nobody wants a war in winter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59284360


Of course USA will support them, if they plan to retake Crimea. USA will come up with the plan.

The thing is, I don't think UA would even have the chance to regroup next to Crimea. Russia would take it as a threat, instantly.

Russia is also creating new divisions to put on Crimea, so they will have to battle an real army this time and it will not end nicely, for UA.

Russia also has a law stating that.
A planned attack on our interests by foreign troops is a direct attack on our motherland and we will retaliate.
 Quoting: Falter


Ukraine will not attempt to take Crimea by force. That is a wishful war fantasy of the Kremlin and their trolls. The Kiev government is a more rational one that what currently sits in the Kremlin.

Crimea will come back to Ukraine voluntarily when the Russian government fully collapses.
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NEWS FLASH - UNCONFIRMED:
Supposedly a large battle started in #donetsk.


AJSB @A_J_S_B · 1 h
NEWS FLASH - UNCONFIRMED:
In #Donetsk Airport & in Railway Station a series of single explosions.
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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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How do You think?
Will USA support Kiev in an assault on Crimea?

UKR are gathering forces near Crimea all they need to push on Crimea is :
a) victory with Novorossiya
b) deafeat with Novorossiya

It is imminent :/

UKR economy is in a serious collapse, poroshenko making mobilisation is speading the process.

If they win in Novorossiya then they will hope, that Russians counter attack would stop at Novorossiya. Russia would create new country and Ukr. oligarchs could keep their power. All the economy collapse would be blamed on Russians.

If they lose in Novorossiya then there is a problem, that Russian counter force with the militia could not stop at Novorossiya but move further and faster into Ukraine, taking more land for the new country. And if Obama shows weaknes like he does now, mayby Russians even take Kiev, replace the PM and President - control Ukraine and the new Country next to it.

Why the assault on Crimea is imminent?

Kiev thinks that when they assault Crimea, they can say to the world "we are only trying to take back part of our land"... and that everyone will believe this. They will spin a lot of propaganda, showing destroyed infrastructure and economy by Russians.
They think that NATO will support Ukraine so current UKR elite will still be in power. Also they believe that when Russia creates new country within Ukraine, UE and NATO will allow Ukraine to join....
They believe the West will rebuild their economy and fill their pockets.

A lot of beliefs on UKR side, but they are against the wall.
If war fails > they fail
If economy fails > war fails > they fail

I give it month tops, nobody wants a war in winter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59284360


Of course USA will support them, if they plan to retake Crimea. USA will come up with the plan.

The thing is, I don't think UA would even have the chance to regroup next to Crimea. Russia would take it as a threat, instantly.

Russia is also creating new divisions to put on Crimea, so they will have to battle an real army this time and it will not end nicely, for UA.

Russia also has a law stating that.
A planned attack on our interests by foreign troops is a direct attack on our motherland and we will retaliate.
 Quoting: Falter


Ukraine will not attempt to take Crimea by force. That is a wishful war fantasy of the Kremlin and their trolls. The Kiev government is a more rational one that what currently sits in the Kremlin.

Crimea will come back to Ukraine voluntarily when the Russian government fully collapses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47683143


The people of crimea said they won't go back to ukraine and poroschenko said he will take back crimea.
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Catherina @Catherina_News · 37 min
Natalia Vitrenko just found dead in Kiev
Paris Webcast: "No to the #EuroNazi Coup" in #Ukraine [link to youtu.be]
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She was also nominated by the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine as candidate for the Ukrainian presidential election, 2010 but the CECoU (Central Election Commission of Ukraine) refused to register her for failure to pay the required 2.5 million hryvnya nomination deposit (according [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Rock Solid Politics @BradCabana · 38 min
BREAKING In #Dokuchaevsk #Ukraine men in black uniforms,red armbands, balaklavas shot 18 people to death - there are missing. #cdnpoli #UN
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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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How do You think?
Will USA support Kiev in an assault on Crimea?

UKR are gathering forces near Crimea all they need to push on Crimea is :
a) victory with Novorossiya
b) deafeat with Novorossiya

It is imminent :/

UKR economy is in a serious collapse, poroshenko making mobilisation is speading the process.

If they win in Novorossiya then they will hope, that Russians counter attack would stop at Novorossiya. Russia would create new country and Ukr. oligarchs could keep their power. All the economy collapse would be blamed on Russians.

If they lose in Novorossiya then there is a problem, that Russian counter force with the militia could not stop at Novorossiya but move further and faster into Ukraine, taking more land for the new country. And if Obama shows weaknes like he does now, mayby Russians even take Kiev, replace the PM and President - control Ukraine and the new Country next to it.

Why the assault on Crimea is imminent?

Kiev thinks that when they assault Crimea, they can say to the world "we are only trying to take back part of our land"... and that everyone will believe this. They will spin a lot of propaganda, showing destroyed infrastructure and economy by Russians.
They think that NATO will support Ukraine so current UKR elite will still be in power. Also they believe that when Russia creates new country within Ukraine, UE and NATO will allow Ukraine to join....
They believe the West will rebuild their economy and fill their pockets.

A lot of beliefs on UKR side, but they are against the wall.
If war fails > they fail
If economy fails > war fails > they fail

I give it month tops, nobody wants a war in winter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59284360


Of course USA will support them, if they plan to retake Crimea. USA will come up with the plan.

The thing is, I don't think UA would even have the chance to regroup next to Crimea. Russia would take it as a threat, instantly.

Russia is also creating new divisions to put on Crimea, so they will have to battle an real army this time and it will not end nicely, for UA.

Russia also has a law stating that.
A planned attack on our interests by foreign troops is a direct attack on our motherland and we will retaliate.
 Quoting: Falter


Ukraine will not attempt to take Crimea by force. That is a wishful war fantasy of the Kremlin and their trolls. The Kiev government is a more rational one that what currently sits in the Kremlin.

Crimea will come back to Ukraine voluntarily when the Russian government fully collapses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47683143


"Poroshenko pledges to retake Crimea by force"
It's even on the Kievpost website, since you seems to like propaganda news, check it out.
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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Hearing what sounds like rockets being used in/around #Donetsk right now #Ukraine #cdnpoli
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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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How do You think?
Will USA support Kiev in an assault on Crimea?

UKR are gathering forces near Crimea all they need to push on Crimea is :
a) victory with Novorossiya
b) deafeat with Novorossiya

It is imminent :/

UKR economy is in a serious collapse, poroshenko making mobilisation is speading the process.

If they win in Novorossiya then they will hope, that Russians counter attack would stop at Novorossiya. Russia would create new country and Ukr. oligarchs could keep their power. All the economy collapse would be blamed on Russians.

If they lose in Novorossiya then there is a problem, that Russian counter force with the militia could not stop at Novorossiya but move further and faster into Ukraine, taking more land for the new country. And if Obama shows weaknes like he does now, mayby Russians even take Kiev, replace the PM and President - control Ukraine and the new Country next to it.

Why the assault on Crimea is imminent?

Kiev thinks that when they assault Crimea, they can say to the world "we are only trying to take back part of our land"... and that everyone will believe this. They will spin a lot of propaganda, showing destroyed infrastructure and economy by Russians.
They think that NATO will support Ukraine so current UKR elite will still be in power. Also they believe that when Russia creates new country within Ukraine, UE and NATO will allow Ukraine to join....
They believe the West will rebuild their economy and fill their pockets.

A lot of beliefs on UKR side, but they are against the wall.
If war fails > they fail
If economy fails > war fails > they fail

I give it month tops, nobody wants a war in winter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59284360


Of course USA will support them, if they plan to retake Crimea. USA will come up with the plan.

The thing is, I don't think UA would even have the chance to regroup next to Crimea. Russia would take it as a threat, instantly.

Russia is also creating new divisions to put on Crimea, so they will have to battle an real army this time and it will not end nicely, for UA.

Russia also has a law stating that.
A planned attack on our interests by foreign troops is a direct attack on our motherland and we will retaliate.
 Quoting: Falter


Ukraine will not attempt to take Crimea by force. That is a wishful war fantasy of the Kremlin and their trolls. The Kiev government is a more rational one that what currently sits in the Kremlin.

Crimea will come back to Ukraine voluntarily when the Russian government fully collapses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47683143


The people of crimea said they won't go back to ukraine and poroschenko said he will take back crimea.
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And UKR knows its a lost battle but it is the only way to force Russia to invade.
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How do You think?
Will USA support Kiev in an assault on Crimea?

UKR are gathering forces near Crimea all they need to push on Crimea is :
a) victory with Novorossiya
b) deafeat with Novorossiya

It is imminent :/

UKR economy is in a serious collapse, poroshenko making mobilisation is speading the process.

If they win in Novorossiya then they will hope, that Russians counter attack would stop at Novorossiya. Russia would create new country and Ukr. oligarchs could keep their power. All the economy collapse would be blamed on Russians.

If they lose in Novorossiya then there is a problem, that Russian counter force with the militia could not stop at Novorossiya but move further and faster into Ukraine, taking more land for the new country. And if Obama shows weaknes like he does now, mayby Russians even take Kiev, replace the PM and President - control Ukraine and the new Country next to it.

Why the assault on Crimea is imminent?

Kiev thinks that when they assault Crimea, they can say to the world "we are only trying to take back part of our land"... and that everyone will believe this. They will spin a lot of propaganda, showing destroyed infrastructure and economy by Russians.
They think that NATO will support Ukraine so current UKR elite will still be in power. Also they believe that when Russia creates new country within Ukraine, UE and NATO will allow Ukraine to join....
They believe the West will rebuild their economy and fill their pockets.

A lot of beliefs on UKR side, but they are against the wall.
If war fails > they fail
If economy fails > war fails > they fail

I give it month tops, nobody wants a war in winter.
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Of course USA will support them, if they plan to retake Crimea. USA will come up with the plan.

The thing is, I don't think UA would even have the chance to regroup next to Crimea. Russia would take it as a threat, instantly.

Russia is also creating new divisions to put on Crimea, so they will have to battle an real army this time and it will not end nicely, for UA.

Russia also has a law stating that.
A planned attack on our interests by foreign troops is a direct attack on our motherland and we will retaliate.
 Quoting: Falter


Ukraine will not attempt to take Crimea by force. That is a wishful war fantasy of the Kremlin and their trolls. The Kiev government is a more rational one that what currently sits in the Kremlin.

Crimea will come back to Ukraine voluntarily when the Russian government fully collapses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47683143


The people of crimea said they won't go back to ukraine and poroschenko said he will take back crimea.
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The people of Crimea are not having their voices heard because of a military occupation by Russia. Besides, only about 22% voted for joining Russia, even by the estimations of Russia's own Human Rights Council.

Poroshenko did not say he would take Crimea back by military force but rather explicitly stated a combination of means, primarily of which is the international legal front.
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wow, powerful speech!!


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The people of Crimea are not having their voices heard because of a military occupation by Russia. Besides, only about 22% voted for joining Russia, even by the estimations of Russia's own Human Rights Council.

Poroshenko did not say he would take Crimea back by military force but rather explicitly stated a combination of means, primarily of which is the international legal front.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47683143


Crimea had a referendum as I remember. And [link to www.kyivpost.com]

He mightn't have said "by force" but looking at his reckless behavior, what do you think is going to happen?

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wow, powerful speech!!


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clappa At least he got guts to tell as it is, b/c if we don't tomorrow we will be in place of Palestine.
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Ukraine will not attempt to take Crimea by force. That is a wishful war fantasy of the Kremlin and their trolls. The Kiev government is a more rational one that what currently sits in the Kremlin.

Crimea will come back to Ukraine voluntarily when the Russian government fully collapses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47683143


"Poroshenko pledges to retake Crimea by force"
It's even on the Kievpost website, since you seems to like propaganda news, check it out.
 Quoting: Falter


So you like making things up huh?

No, he did not say that he would do so by military force. He pledged to retake Crimea, but not by military force. Again, exactly as I said - that is simply wishful war fantasy of the Kremlin and its bloodthirsty warmongering trolls like you.

You are going to lose this game because your opponent has far more tools in the toolbag than you do. You have the military tool and not much else to keep Crimea, whereas your opponent has far more than that to take it back - namely international law and likely soon increasing and extensive turmoil inside Russia.
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How do You think?
Will USA support Kiev in an assault on Crimea?

[[[snipped text]]]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59284360


Of course USA will support them, if they plan to retake Crimea. USA will come up with the plan.

The thing is, I don't think UA would even have the chance to regroup next to Crimea. Russia would take it as a threat, instantly.

Russia is also creating new divisions to put on Crimea, so they will have to battle an real army this time and it will not end nicely, for UA.

Russia also has a law stating that.
A planned attack on our interests by foreign troops is a direct attack on our motherland and we will retaliate.
 Quoting: Falter


Ukraine will not attempt to take Crimea by force. That is a wishful war fantasy of the Kremlin and their trolls. The Kiev government is a more rational one that what currently sits in the Kremlin.

Crimea will come back to Ukraine voluntarily when the Russian government fully collapses.
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Whahahahahahaahah ... dream on your wett boys dream !!!

fairy

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German reporter in Donetsk:

Dirk Emmerich ‏@DEmmerich 1 Min.
#Donetsk Schwere Explosionen in den Vororten. Gefechte gehen weiter. Erschütterungen bis in unser Hotel im Zentrum zu spüren. #Ukraine

translated: Heavy explosions in the outskirts, fighting presumes. Our hotel in town centre is shaking.

for those interested, here his twitter

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
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Thanks.

Here is one set I check.
[link to twitter.com (secure)]
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German reporter in Donetsk:

Dirk Emmerich ‏@DEmmerich 1 Min.
#Donetsk Schwere Explosionen in den Vororten. Gefechte gehen weiter. Erschütterungen bis in unser Hotel im Zentrum zu spüren. #Ukraine

translated: Heavy explosions in the outskirts, fighting presumes. Our hotel in town centre is shaking.

for those interested, here his twitter

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: °Lucy°


Thanks.

Here is one set I check.
[link to twitter.com (secure)]
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Thank you :)
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How do You think?
Will USA support Kiev in an assault on Crimea?

[[[snipped text]]]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59284360


Of course USA will support them, if they plan to retake Crimea. USA will come up with the plan.

The thing is, I don't think UA would even have the chance to regroup next to Crimea. Russia would take it as a threat, instantly.

Russia is also creating new divisions to put on Crimea, so they will have to battle an real army this time and it will not end nicely, for UA.

Russia also has a law stating that.
A planned attack on our interests by foreign troops is a direct attack on our motherland and we will retaliate.
 Quoting: Falter


Ukraine will not attempt to take Crimea by force. That is a wishful war fantasy of the Kremlin and their trolls. The Kiev government is a more rational one that what currently sits in the Kremlin.

Crimea will come back to Ukraine voluntarily when the Russian government fully collapses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47683143

Whahahahahahaahah ... dream on !!!

:fairy:

:unicorn:
 Quoting: Krispy71


These people totally lost their grip on reality. They live in fantasy world which is constantly fed by false premises from their TV screens, proukr media. They still didn't realize that old Ukraine died and new Ukraine didn't form. There is karma, which you can't fool. Any ideology or religion which is founded on hatred toward other culture is destined for ultimate failure no matter how hard you try, no matter how many cities you "free", etc.
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a older article

CRIMEA: ANNEXED OR REUNITED?
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toirama ‏@toirama 1 Min.
#Ukraine army 'heading for victory' [link to www.bbc.co.uk] … [if Russia stays put]
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I HAVE NEWS! 2 Batallions of heading from Crimea to Donetsk for back up! [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]





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