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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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Which needs years you know
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57728098


No, big part of terminal already exists, larger part due in first half 2016!
 Quoting: KipKat


12 million cubic meters annualy max capacity lol lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52061656


According to OD, Russia supplies 160 bcm to the European gas market and Norway 100 bcm. So they are seeking to replace a very substantial market share... – with what?
 Quoting: Gavin


Fracking I believe, hike the prices in the mean time, and the sheeple will be begging for cheaper gas.
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Don't think EU will get the gas quickly from somewhere else.
 Quoting: °Lucy°

Germany will get all the gas it needs by a simple expedient of having Brussels remove the bureaucratic and artificial constraints that presently limit NorthStream to 50% of engineering throughput.
It is other countries who will be seriously deprived of energy, anyone downstream of Ukraine basically. Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria etc..
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish
And who fills the NorthStream pipeline if not the Russians?
 Quoting: Gavin
Only gas shipments to or through Ukraine will end.
Not the NordStream (Baltic to Germany), BlueStream (Black Sea to Turkey) or Yamal (Belarus to Poland) pipelines.
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It will take years/decades before russia can supply enough gas to China! Meanwhile both China and India are pushing hard for LFTR technology for example! Several 100 pages ago I posted on how all these threats from russia only have a positive reaction on development on more efficient technologies! So pretty soon russia can keep his stinking gas and choke on it!
 Quoting: KipKat


And you are so naive to think that Russia is incapable of working on alternative energy. We have lots of scientists working with water fuel cells, cars running on water, many different projects. You can even buy water fuel cell and ask in body shop to install it.
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Without the income from gas, russia will crumble faster than zod's cookies!
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By the time Europe will be ready to compensate for Russian gas and buy it from the US, which will be around 2020-2022, Russia will have a pipeline to China and India. They will gladly buy all of Russia's gas and laugh at Europe's overpriced industry
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+ the European population will have had enough of it after the first week of frost across the continent.
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No, big part of terminal already exists, larger part due in first half 2016!
 Quoting: KipKat


12 million cubic meters annualy max capacity lol lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52061656


According to OD, Russia supplies 160 bcm to the European gas market and Norway 100 bcm. So they are seeking to replace a very substantial market share... – with what?
 Quoting: Gavin


Fracking I believe, hike the prices in the mean time, and the sheeple will be begging for cheaper gas.
 Quoting: firinne


made that thread in February, nobody was interested

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sanctions must continue to show how serious we are - Merkel
 Quoting: Janey


Germany is soon to be this serious----> poorjohnny
 Quoting: PIR


Germany only gets 37% of its gas from Russia. It can get all of its supply from elsewhere, and hopefully will. The EU as a whole gets 24% of its gas from Russia.

Also its hilarious how you Russian shills keep using the gas cutuff card as a threat - the EU - Russia gas cut would cost the EU states some financially but they can still get eslewhere, but it would totally sink Russia's economy into oblivion.
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Oh they are not threats. Putin has shut-off the pipelines twice already.
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And you are so naive to think that Russia is incapable of working on alternative energy. We have lots of scientists working with water fuel cells, cars running on water, many different projects. You can even buy water fuel cell and ask in body shop to install it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61787922


Without the income from gas, russia will crumble faster than zod's cookies!
 Quoting: KipKat


By the time Europe will be ready to compensate for Russian gas and buy it from the US, which will be around 2020-2022, Russia will have a pipeline to China and India. They will gladly buy all of Russia's gas and laugh at Europe's overpriced industry
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58620901


+ the European population will have had enough of it after the first week of frost across the continent.
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EU already has had enough of EU incompetent decisions who are contrary to our national interests. Anti-EU parties will gain more and more support.
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Take into account that the gas needs for the EU industry will go up, this is the trend so far. And if the EU economic goes up gas need will rais up more too. If the opposite is true , the EU economic is slow down then .... the likelihood of conflicts will goes up and this is not good for EU and Russia of course.
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Don't think EU will get the gas quickly from somewhere else.
 Quoting: °Lucy°

Germany will get all the gas it needs by a simple expedient of having Brussels remove the bureaucratic and artificial constraints that presently limit NorthStream to 50% of engineering throughput.
It is other countries who will be seriously deprived of energy, anyone downstream of Ukraine basically. Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria etc..
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish
And who fills the NorthStream pipeline if not the Russians?
 Quoting: Gavin
Only gas shipments to or through Ukraine will end.
Not the NordStream (Baltic to Germany), BlueStream (Black Sea to Turkey) or Yamal (Belarus to Poland) pipelines.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


Two issues here:

1. Can running NorthStream till it burst pick up the lost capacity via Ukraine
2. If the US/EU goes full tilt on Russia with sanctions, what keeps Russia from shutting off all gas feeds?

There is a third issue and that is Germany decommissioning their coal fired power plants, and if we get a hard winter (as the prognosis tells), they may be running short even if they had full supply. Same will be the case in many other countries given a cold winter.
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Germany only gets 37% of its gas from Russia. It can get all of its supply from elsewhere, and hopefully will. The EU as a whole gets 24% of its gas from Russia.

Also its hilarious how you Russian shills keep using the gas cutuff card as a threat - the EU - Russia gas cut would cost the EU states some financially but they can still get eslewhere, but it would totally sink Russia\'s economy into oblivion.
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I am pretty sure russia can sell their gas elsewhere, too.
Besides that the price for gas would skyrocket in your country , its not the EU paying the bills, you are.
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That mount of volume? To who? By which means? For what price?
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Forgetting the majority of humanity lives in Asia?
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Tinderbox isn't it. And Putin is massively destalising the entire continent. Mighty white of him.
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There is absolutely no short term viable alternative to replace Russian gas.

Europe better pray for a mild winter season as the real "war" has yet to begin. That war will be one fought by the populace, a war to keep warm.

The deepening recession continues hitting hard and prices are likely to rise significantly as the Ukra-Russo conflict worsens.

The true crisis is yet to begin.
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There is absolutely no short term viable alternative to replace Russian gas.

Europe better pray for a mild winter season as the real "war" has yet to begin. That war will be one fought by the populace, a war to keep warm.

The deepening recession continues hitting hard and prices are likely to rise significantly as the Ukra-Russo conflict worsens.

The true crisis is yet to begin.
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Oh yeah
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Something new on the OSCE statement on ruptly tv?
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Germany will get all the gas it needs by a simple expedient of having Brussels remove the bureaucratic and artificial constraints that presently limit NorthStream to 50% of engineering throughput.
It is other countries who will be seriously deprived of energy, anyone downstream of Ukraine basically. Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria etc..
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish
And who fills the NorthStream pipeline if not the Russians?
 Quoting: Gavin
Only gas shipments to or through Ukraine will end.
Not the NordStream (Baltic to Germany), BlueStream (Black Sea to Turkey) or Yamal (Belarus to Poland) pipelines.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


Two issues here:

1. Can running NorthStream till it burst pick up the lost capacity via Ukraine
2. If the US/EU goes full tilt on Russia with sanctions, what keeps Russia from shutting off all gas feeds?

There is a third issue and that is Germany decommissioning their coal fired power plants, and if we get a hard winter (as the prognosis tells), they may be running short even if they had full supply. Same will be the case in many other countries given a cold winter.
 Quoting: Gavin

It can make up for 20% to 30% of lost capacity.
Russia would not want to end gas shipments entirely for two reasons
1. Continuing in part provides revenue in part.
2. Ending entirely would tend to unite the EU. Ending only shipments via Ukraine would tend to tear the EU apart.

Bear in mind that the price of gas is geared, only in part, to the price of oil. Shortages of gas will drive up the price of oil as people substitute and that will benefit both oil and gas industries in Russia.

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And who fills the NorthStream pipeline if not the Russians?
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Only gas shipments to or through Ukraine will end.
Not the NordStream (Baltic to Germany), BlueStream (Black Sea to Turkey) or Yamal (Belarus to Poland) pipelines.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


Two issues here:

1. Can running NorthStream till it burst pick up the lost capacity via Ukraine
2. If the US/EU goes full tilt on Russia with sanctions, what keeps Russia from shutting off all gas feeds?

There is a third issue and that is Germany decommissioning their coal fired power plants, and if we get a hard winter (as the prognosis tells), they may be running short even if they had full supply. Same will be the case in many other countries given a cold winter.
 Quoting: Gavin

It can make up for 20% to 30% of lost capacity.
Russia would not want to end gas shipments entirely for two reasons
1. Continuing in part provides revenue in part.
2. Ending entirely would tend to unite the EU. Ending only shipments via Ukraine would tend to tear the EU apart.
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Ending entirely would probably give NATO a rough ride though.
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Between the towns LC Samsonovka and Orekhovka by folk soldiers of Donbass was shot down Nazi MiG-29. You flied enough Nazjerks!

You can see on the ground scattered wreckage of the plane, but not the bodies of the pilots-punitives, as they were able to eject. According to the militia, the pilots were not Ukrainians, and, presumably, the Poles or the Czechs. This area of Novorossia is constantly exposed to shelling and aerial bombardment.


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If they were "Poles" then they were almost certainly ethnic Ukrainians from Poland.


[link to michalw.narod.ru]


And ethnic Ukrainians from Poland tend to be especially pro-nationalist.
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Germany only gets 37% of its gas from Russia. It can get all of its supply from elsewhere, and hopefully will. The EU as a whole gets 24% of its gas from Russia.

Also its hilarious how you Russian shills keep using the gas cutuff card as a threat - the EU - Russia gas cut would cost the EU states some financially but they can still get eslewhere, but it would totally sink Russia's economy into oblivion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44143875


yeah, lots and lots of happy people after receiving a much higher gas bill....

we could get gas elsewhere, russia could sell elsewhere. so, not big deal now, is it?
 Quoting: °Lucy°


You do not understand how this works. When customers go elsewhere and a pay a little higher, the orginal seller suffers greatly without new buyers. There are always other sellers to be found in the market. However, that original seller that lost its customers does not have unlimited buyers that it can create at its own whim free of charge. Sellers do not make new buyers out of thin air. The only way that seller can create new buyers elsewhere is by offering them some benefit that it did not offer them before. So what is Russia going to offer to new buyers from elsewhere that it did not offer before? The only answer is greatly reduced gas price, which Russia's prices were already as low as they could get to still make a profit + sending gas farther abroad would cost Russia much more than what it did sending it through the local EU pipes. It really is not an option for Russia if it loses its EU customers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44143875


China and India 2.3 billion people, Thats the future market right there.

And they are closer to the Siberian gas fields.
 Quoting: firinne

China is not nearly as dependent on Russian gas as the Putinbots desperately try to convince others. Lets see the RussoShills try and shill their way out of this-

Russia Has Lost Control of Central Asian Gas

With North America and Europe turning to non-Russian sources for their energy needs, you might think that China, which the report says accounts for 22.4 percent of the world's energy consumption, would be able to help Moscow stomach the loss of Western business.

But this is where the report truly highlights the Kremlin's plight. For where Russia could have theoretically been one of the prime providers quenching Beijing's thirst for energy, a combination of Moscow's blinkered policies and China's geopolitical strength means otherwise.

Instead of turning to Siberian sources for energy needs, China has recruited Central Asia to provide the lion's share of its natural gas demands. According to BP's report, China now receives nearly half of its natural gas supply from Central Asia.

Turkmenistan currently supplies nearly 25 billion cubic meters (bcm) annually, with an additional 2.9 bcm from Uzbekistan and 0.1 bcm from Kazakhstan. The total represented 45 percent of China's gas imports last year and looks set to expand in the months ahead.

While Russia did sign a $400 million, 38 bcm deal with China recently, the amount remains well below the 65 bcm Turkmenistan has agreed to provide China by 2020, and looks to be less than the total that a pair of new pipelines coming online this year will transit from Central Asia to China.

This shift toward Central Asian gas production has been one of the less publicized aspects of China's expansion over the past decade and appears to undermine Russia's regional and economic influence.

While Russia remained focused on the European market for the past decade, China began constructing and expanding pipelines through all five Central Asian states, which had traditionally been Russian strongholds.


And where the Chinese market has proven a boon to Central Asian economies, it's also provided Central Asian nations a means of maneuvering beyond Russia's reach. Turkmenistan, which only began supplying gas to China in 2009, sums up this new reality perfectly. [link to www.themoscowtimes.com]
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yeah, lots and lots of happy people after receiving a much higher gas bill....

we could get gas elsewhere, russia could sell elsewhere. so, not big deal now, is it?
 Quoting: °Lucy°


You do not understand how this works. When customers go elsewhere and a pay a little higher, the orginal seller suffers greatly without new buyers. There are always other sellers to be found in the market. However, that original seller that lost its customers does not have unlimited buyers that it can create at its own whim free of charge. Sellers do not make new buyers out of thin air. The only way that seller can create new buyers elsewhere is by offering them some benefit that it did not offer them before. So what is Russia going to offer to new buyers from elsewhere that it did not offer before? The only answer is greatly reduced gas price, which Russia's prices were already as low as they could get to still make a profit + sending gas farther abroad would cost Russia much more than what it did sending it through the local EU pipes. It really is not an option for Russia if it loses its EU customers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44143875


China and India 2.3 billion people, Thats the future market right there.

And they are closer to the Siberian gas fields.
 Quoting: firinne

China is not nearly as dependent on Russian gas as the Putinbots desperately try to convince others. Lets see the RussoShills try and shill their way out of this-

Russia Has Lost Control of Central Asian Gas

With North America and Europe turning to non-Russian sources for their energy needs, you might think that China, which the report says accounts for 22.4 percent of the world's energy consumption, would be able to help Moscow stomach the loss of Western business.

But this is where the report truly highlights the Kremlin's plight. For where Russia could have theoretically been one of the prime providers quenching Beijing's thirst for energy, a combination of Moscow's blinkered policies and China's geopolitical strength means otherwise.

Instead of turning to Siberian sources for energy needs, China has recruited Central Asia to provide the lion's share of its natural gas demands. According to BP's report, China now receives nearly half of its natural gas supply from Central Asia.

Turkmenistan currently supplies nearly 25 billion cubic meters (bcm) annually, with an additional 2.9 bcm from Uzbekistan and 0.1 bcm from Kazakhstan. The total represented 45 percent of China's gas imports last year and looks set to expand in the months ahead.

While Russia did sign a $400 million, 38 bcm deal with China recently, the amount remains well below the 65 bcm Turkmenistan has agreed to provide China by 2020, and looks to be less than the total that a pair of new pipelines coming online this year will transit from Central Asia to China.

This shift toward Central Asian gas production has been one of the less publicized aspects of China's expansion over the past decade and appears to undermine Russia's regional and economic influence.

While Russia remained focused on the European market for the past decade, China began constructing and expanding pipelines through all five Central Asian states, which had traditionally been Russian strongholds.


And where the Chinese market has proven a boon to Central Asian economies, it's also provided Central Asian nations a means of maneuvering beyond Russia's reach. Turkmenistan, which only began supplying gas to China in 2009, sums up this new reality perfectly. [link to www.themoscowtimes.com]
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How many times have you posted that shit Nazi, you shill all day long.
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yeah, lots and lots of happy people after receiving a much higher gas bill....

we could get gas elsewhere, russia could sell elsewhere. so, not big deal now, is it?
 Quoting: °Lucy°


You do not understand how this works. When customers go elsewhere and a pay a little higher, the orginal seller suffers greatly without new buyers. There are always other sellers to be found in the market. However, that original seller that lost its customers does not have unlimited buyers that it can create at its own whim free of charge. Sellers do not make new buyers out of thin air. The only way that seller can create new buyers elsewhere is by offering them some benefit that it did not offer them before. So what is Russia going to offer to new buyers from elsewhere that it did not offer before? The only answer is greatly reduced gas price, which Russia's prices were already as low as they could get to still make a profit + sending gas farther abroad would cost Russia much more than what it did sending it through the local EU pipes. It really is not an option for Russia if it loses its EU customers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44143875


China and India 2.3 billion people, Thats the future market right there.

And they are closer to the Siberian gas fields.
 Quoting: firinne

China is not nearly as dependent on Russian gas as the Putinbots desperately try to convince others. Lets see the RussoShills try and shill their way out of this-
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Out of what? Finnish-based "moscow times"? lol
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yeah, lots and lots of happy people after receiving a much higher gas bill....

we could get gas elsewhere, russia could sell elsewhere. so, not big deal now, is it?
 Quoting: °Lucy°


You do not understand how this works. When customers go elsewhere and a pay a little higher, the orginal seller suffers greatly without new buyers. There are always other sellers to be found in the market. However, that original seller that lost its customers does not have unlimited buyers that it can create at its own whim free of charge. Sellers do not make new buyers out of thin air. The only way that seller can create new buyers elsewhere is by offering them some benefit that it did not offer them before. So what is Russia going to offer to new buyers from elsewhere that it did not offer before? The only answer is greatly reduced gas price, which Russia's prices were already as low as they could get to still make a profit + sending gas farther abroad would cost Russia much more than what it did sending it through the local EU pipes. It really is not an option for Russia if it loses its EU customers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44143875


China and India 2.3 billion people, Thats the future market right there.

And they are closer to the Siberian gas fields.
 Quoting: firinne

China is not nearly as dependent on Russian gas as the Putinbots desperately try to convince others. Lets see the RussoShills try and shill their way out of this-


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Apart from the fact that Moscow times is pro NWO B/S..

Please understand that whats going on here is Russia is going to get the blame for the coming economic collapse.

One world Rothschild currency,is ready in waiting to save us all from big bad Russia...FFS wake up!
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Only gas shipments to or through Ukraine will end.
Not the NordStream (Baltic to Germany), BlueStream (Black Sea to Turkey) or Yamal (Belarus to Poland) pipelines.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


Two issues here:

1. Can running NorthStream till it burst pick up the lost capacity via Ukraine
2. If the US/EU goes full tilt on Russia with sanctions, what keeps Russia from shutting off all gas feeds?

There is a third issue and that is Germany decommissioning their coal fired power plants, and if we get a hard winter (as the prognosis tells), they may be running short even if they had full supply. Same will be the case in many other countries given a cold winter.
 Quoting: Gavin

It can make up for 20% to 30% of lost capacity.
Russia would not want to end gas shipments entirely for two reasons
1. Continuing in part provides revenue in part.
2. Ending entirely would tend to unite the EU. Ending only shipments via Ukraine would tend to tear the EU apart.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


Ending entirely would probably give NATO a rough ride though.
 Quoting: Gavin


And what would this guy do about it??

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Take care
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Posted hours after the hoax was staged:

* STOP * clicking Malaysia Boeing 777 downed in Ukraine "news": ALL was already said 6 hours after the theater began
Because no airliner was downed, it's all staged with actors, some play fake rebels.
The script is as simple as this:
1- divert russian audience from the ongoing genocide, as Lugansk became the first half a million city to be indiscriminately bombed in Europe since World War II.
2- rebels blamed for downing the plane
3- NATO enters the war bombing the rebels. Nazi agent impersonating Putin opens the gates for the nazi German government to send the Army (Bundeswehr) to patrol the Ukrainian-russian border.

All fake: Malaysia Boeing 777 downed over Ukraine = Boston Marathon bombings: "Putin" in the MAIN role to convince audience that these are real events
Another plane with ZERO passengers
- illuminati joke packaged as parallel script to the missing Malaysia Boeing 777 hoax, that will resurface later this year at Jerusalem in a remake of 11 September 2001 (fake plane or in other words zero passengers but real mini-nukes).
- last episode in the script "NATO officially enters the war in Donetsk and Lugansk, before it helps Ukraine take back Crimea".
Same as the Boston Marathon bombings: "Putin" has the main role: to convince the audience that it's a real event. Reduced:
- Boston: "Tsarnaev brothers" are not actors but indeed terrorists;
- Ukraine: "gunmen" securing the "crash" site are not fake but indeed real rebels, there were not ZERO but almost 300 dead passengers.

Downed Malaysia Airlines 2014 v Air France break-up 2009
Malaysia Airlines supposedly where previously choppers and fighter jets have been downed on almost a daily basis:
This time Illuminati try to justify it with with "to save fuel".
"Coincidentally" that was indeed the cause that the illuminati tried to divert from in the Air France plane destroyed by lightning, mid Atlantic, 2009.

BASICS
May 16 - coup in the Donetsk Republic. Infiltrators sent by "Putin" take control of the leadership, after attacking the real rebel leaders who had organized the referendum.
Alexander Borodai is a covert nazi agent taking orders from "Putin", or in other words from the illuminati.
To what lengths the illuminati go serving fake rebels to the audience: why illuminati created ISIS in Syria:
** illuminati-fake-wars.blogspot /2013/08/islamic-state-isis-fake-rebels-syria.html
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OK, but Putin is probably a genuine Putin.


[link to michalw.narod.ru]


You know, some have suggested that he was recruited as an agent of the West German BND, back when he lived in the East Germany.

His Germanophilia is a bit curious.

The guy is actually a Yeltsin appointee and a bit of a mass media creation.
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The fighting between Siberian freedom fighters and Moscow junta troops is growing intense. 250 Moscow troops killed today, 18 Moscow tanks destroyed, 42 Moscow APC destroyed, 60 Moscow Kamaz destroyed, 12 Moscow junta fighter jets shot down. Siberian forces suffer only light losses.
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The fighting between Siberian freedom fighters and Moscow junta troops is growing intense. 250 Moscow troops killed today, 18 Moscow tanks destroyed, 42 Moscow APC destroyed, 60 Moscow Kamaz destroyed, 12 Moscow junta fighter jets shot down. Siberian forces suffer only light losses.
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Please share your weed with everybody!
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The fighting between Siberian freedom fighters and Moscow junta troops is growing intense. 250 Moscow troops killed today, 18 Moscow tanks destroyed, 42 Moscow APC destroyed, 60 Moscow Kamaz destroyed, 12 Moscow junta fighter jets shot down. Siberian forces suffer only light losses.
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Only gas shipments to or through Ukraine will end.
Not the NordStream (Baltic to Germany), BlueStream (Black Sea to Turkey) or Yamal (Belarus to Poland) pipelines.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


Two issues here:

1. Can running NorthStream till it burst pick up the lost capacity via Ukraine
2. If the US/EU goes full tilt on Russia with sanctions, what keeps Russia from shutting off all gas feeds?

There is a third issue and that is Germany decommissioning their coal fired power plants, and if we get a hard winter (as the prognosis tells), they may be running short even if they had full supply. Same will be the case in many other countries given a cold winter.
 Quoting: Gavin

It can make up for 20% to 30% of lost capacity.
Russia would not want to end gas shipments entirely for two reasons
1. Continuing in part provides revenue in part.
2. Ending entirely would tend to unite the EU. Ending only shipments via Ukraine would tend to tear the EU apart.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


Ending entirely would probably give NATO a rough ride though.
 Quoting: Gavin


Ending the ukraine line is not a big problem for the eu, the repercussions for russia (including image of reliability) would be greater.
Only when all gas stops we would have a serious problem, but that same goes for russia. Even putin wouldn't be dumb enough to do that!
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There's still enough (un)tapped resources in Europa if we can get around the politics! + We're not building a huge LNG terminal in Rotterdam for nothing you know....
 Quoting: KipKat

Which needs years you know
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No, big part of terminal already exists, larger part due in first half 2016!
 Quoting: KipKat


Like i said... years
Gas gets cut off now not 2016
And to get the untapped gas by fracking, takes another year.
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The colalition of EU sanctions js already collapsing and it's not even fall yet.
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