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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54583409 United Kingdom 03/05/2014 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 BREAKING: ESTONIAN FOREIGN MINISTER PAET CONFIRMS THAT TAPE IS LEGITIMATE, CONCERNED AS TO WHY IT WAS RELEASED NOW -- ESTONIAN MSM DELFI Quoting: FunkY Doubt you'll understand anything but hell [link to www.delfi.ee] This actually doesn't confirm anything, she only said that the bullets being used by the rioters and police snipers were of the same caliber. It is evidence, but not fact or proof that they were hired by the protestors. Yes but I am sure the Estonian foreign minister had more reasons to believe they were the same - I think he was trying to say by them having the same "handwriting" that they had the same ballistics but did not know the English word, not just same caliber weapon. "All the evidence" showed "same snipers". And he also confirmed the police were shot. Who did this shooting? There is enough other evidence of snipers shooting at both sides. I wonder if he meant 'fingerprint' or something? I won't mock, his English is much, much better than my Estonian. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55168473 Italy 03/05/2014 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The meeting of US, Russian, British, French and German foreign ministers to discuss the Ukraine crisis has begun at the Elysee presidential palace in Paris, Reuteeeers reports Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55168473 It is the first time Sergei Lavrov has met his European and American counterparts since the crisis escalated. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54583409 United Kingdom 03/05/2014 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I want to know what they mean by the same handwriting? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54583409 What handwriting? I am pretty sure the use of that word is a language issue. Typically when doing the forensics for a bullet they refer to the "signature" of the weapon. Probably interchanged those words. Reading it again, I think you're right. Fingerprint. Ballistics match. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55192033 United States 03/05/2014 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 U.S. destroyer armed with Aegis system to pass Turkish Straits, enter Black Sea on March 7 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42537488 Interfax Russia will not allow that! If this happens, it might start WWIII! That's what I heard too. Don't worry though, it wasn't from anyone important or on the "inside". We'll see. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54232358 United Kingdom 03/05/2014 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I'm not really sure that it entirely legitimises Putin's actions even if you take everything that tape says as 100% true. It would certainly undermine the authority of those in Kiev, but that doesn't - in itself, there are arguments about whether there was ever a danger to ethnic Russians - give Putin carte blanche to do what he's done. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux What it does, though, is further de-legitimise the new Kiev regime, or at least calls it into question. If that is accepted, then Yanukovich is still the president, and therefore Russia is there under official invitation. Everything he's done, at that point, becomes perfectly reasonable. Reasonable yes, but it is still probably questionable from a legal point of view. If Yanukovich is President, and he invites Russia to defend against aggression (or coercion) then Putin is absolutely abiding by international law, as laid out in the UN Charter, Budapest Memorandum and the Helsinki Act. In fact, it means that Russia is de facto the ONLY nation acting within the current legal frameworks surrounding Ukraines Sovereignty. That's pretty worrying. The Nuland/Pyatt and Ashton/Paet calls are so damning, I wonder how many more are to surface. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1680182 Netherlands 03/05/2014 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 BREAKING: ESTONIAN FOREIGN MINISTER PAET CONFIRMS THAT TAPE IS LEGITIMATE -- ESTONIAN MSM DELFI Quoting: FunkY Doubt you'll understand anything but hell [link to www.delfi.ee] Ashtoniga lol. Why don't you give it a try translating the interesting parts? Google translation's not working for some reason Russian channel RT has appeared Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and Catherine Ashton, the EU's External Action Service, intercepted a call in which they discussed the events in Ukraine . Intercepted conversation on 26 February , the day before had Paet visited Kiev and Ashton wanted him to know what he saw . Paet pointed out there opposition activist Olga , who said that all the evidence suggests that both police officers and protesters were killed by the same sniper. Paet visited Kiev 25 February , a few days after the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych was overthrown . " Secondly, it was quite alarming that the same Olga told that all the evidence shows that the snipers killed people on both sides, people on the street and police officers, that they were the same sniper who killed people on both sides ," he said. " He showed us the photos, he said that he is a doctor , and can be said to have the same handwriting, same type of bullets , he said , it is very disturbing that now the new coalition does not want to find out what exactly happened . Has stronger and stronger understanding that the snipers were not behind Yanukovych , but again no one from the coalition , "said Paet Recordings . Paet Ashton was speaking of rumors spread very concerned about . " Worrying is that if it starts very strongly on a life of its own , then it discredits the very beginning of a new coalition ," he said. Both he and Ashton felt that the events should be investigated . Ashton said that the protesters must let the Verkhovna Rada to do their job . Paet confirmed the authenticity of the recording Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton uploaded to the Internet today, a phone call is authentic , the Foreign Ministry announced today. Paet and Ashton conversation took place on 26 February, following Estonia's Foreign Minister 's visit to Ukraine , and immediately after the end of the street violence . Foreign Minister Paet communicate what he had said about the meetings held in Kiev last day and expressed concern about the situation . "It is extremely regrettable that such an interception is occurring at all , " said Paet. " In this speech today uploading is not accidental , " he added . |
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User ID: 55188312 Sweden 03/05/2014 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Quoting: Littlefeather So many people and so much emotion.. This just can not end peacefully... Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |
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User ID: 55189510 United Kingdom 03/05/2014 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I'm not really sure that it entirely legitimises Putin's actions even if you take everything that tape says as 100% true. It would certainly undermine the authority of those in Kiev, but that doesn't - in itself, there are arguments about whether there was ever a danger to ethnic Russians - give Putin carte blanche to do what he's done. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux What it does, though, is further de-legitimise the new Kiev regime, or at least calls it into question. If that is accepted, then Yanukovich is still the president, and therefore Russia is there under official invitation. Everything he's done, at that point, becomes perfectly reasonable. Reasonable yes, but it is still probably questionable from a legal point of view. Why that? If Yaku is president, he doesn't even have to ask troops to leave the base - he can just allow them to under the agreement. So there there was no so-called "invasion" because if Obumba asks Canadian troops to come to US then Canada is not invading US. I don't know the ins and outs of the Ukrainian constitution, so I don't know if Yanukovych can do that without permission from the parliament. I'm not really sure that it entirely legitimises Putin's actions even if you take everything that tape says as 100% true. It would certainly undermine the authority of those in Kiev, but that doesn't - in itself, there are arguments about whether there was ever a danger to ethnic Russians - give Putin carte blanche to do what he's done. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux What it does, though, is further de-legitimise the new Kiev regime, or at least calls it into question. If that is accepted, then Yanukovich is still the president, and therefore Russia is there under official invitation. Everything he's done, at that point, becomes perfectly reasonable. Reasonable yes, but it is still probably questionable from a legal point of view. Maybe you're right... but in a situation as complex as this one, I suspect that a good lawyer could prove anything they wanted to but emphasising one aspect over others. At worst, I think Russia's actions become questionable rather than overtly illegal. However, I'm glad to say I'm not a lawyer. Indeed, a good lawyer could probably "prove" it either way. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 44631545 United States 03/05/2014 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Yes doom is off, Putin backed down to the US's threat of trade sanctions. America has defeated Russia once again. Dude don't say "US" anymore. There technically is no US or America anymore. What was the US is now the North American Soviet Union -- or NASU for short. Stop celebrating 4th of July, it's like celebrating the Roman empire. America is gone. |
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User ID: 55188312 Sweden 03/05/2014 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 They have entered the building. Was there going to be a Ukrainian rally at the same time? If so there will be trouble i think. Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55191878 United Kingdom 03/05/2014 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Can't keep up on this thread Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28022282 Is doom back on?? panic sex time again???? If the tape goes viral, mega doom on!! Putin will never back off and the new guys in Kiev can't be trusted see the thing is here if this tape actually makes any form of impact the west would withdraw support and funding for the current regime however, they could just palm it of as to being down to radicals of whom the original front men for the opposition have no affiliation with We only have to look at the tape that came out before when F the EU was released that effectively had no impact what so ever on what was going on... A lot of time and money has been sunk into this and I doubt very much that this will influence what is going to happen... But it does in fact legitimize Putin's actions but conflict seems to be inevitable there is an agenda set and nothing seems to be able to change that the west wants Russia to back down and Russia (from the cabinet meeting to approve Russian forces commitment on saturday) aren't going anywhere we have to realistically face what seems to be becoming a very much proven fact that there is no leeway we either back down from Ukraine and providing Russia refrains from pushing through to the north and western part which the Cabinet decided on Saturday to allow the whole of Ukraine to be under the spectrum of deployment, allow for the referendum to go ahead with Crimea and allow the situation to play out as History should allow it to... The west have really done a boo boo here and this kind of diplomacy is dangerous for so many people all because of we want the higher position in the Geopolitical scene so we can swing our dicks when we please... I'm not really sure that it entirely legitimises Putin's actions even if you take everything that tape says as 100% true. It would certainly undermine the authority of those in Kiev, but that doesn't - in itself, there are arguments about whether there was ever a danger to ethnic Russians - give Putin carte blanche to do what he's done. Ah yes that is true and the way I see things is there are too many chefs and not enough cooks, Russia has their own agenda some of which I'm sure is personal to Putin himself he grew up proud of the soviet union and was hurt when it went south, and the West obviously has their own agenda and that is to be able to Rule the world in a dramatic tense with the US being the head of the Snake the Irony is that since the Nuclear bomb came on the seen it gave us a pause in Realising what we are all being played for, now that more advances are being made in Regards to Missile defence the Nuclear Curtain we had to preserve peace in regards to Conventional on Conventional forces is and will be diminished Russia will not allow the US to have their AMD in place as this can be considered a De-facto 1st strike... we are destined for a big ass bust up its the only we world peace will be achieved, and that is through elimination of a rival Ideal there will always be differences and eventually it will come toe to toe in Europe as we seem to be historically the worlds battleground... I don't agree with any party involved in this as this is going to screw us all over bad but I do see points and pick out those that ring true to myself because at the end of it all we can all sit around and play the blame game but none of it will matter on the micro scale of things as we would still have to fight not for Queen or Country but for Ourselves and families our self survival dictates how Future generations will be educated History is written by the victors well the way I see things is we are the ones who can write our own histories but we have to write another persons 1st and that is the shell of society Revolution can only come with the Death of another... (and PS @ Limpan for the respect ) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1454349 Canada 03/05/2014 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Limpan If the tape goes viral, mega doom on!! Putin will never back off and the new guys in Kiev can't be trusted see the thing is here if this tape actually makes any form of impact the west would withdraw support and funding for the current regime however, they could just palm it of as to being down to radicals of whom the original front men for the opposition have no affiliation with We only have to look at the tape that came out before when F the EU was released that effectively had no impact what so ever on what was going on... A lot of time and money has been sunk into this and I doubt very much that this will influence what is going to happen... But it does in fact legitimize Putin's actions but conflict seems to be inevitable there is an agenda set and nothing seems to be able to change that the west wants Russia to back down and Russia (from the cabinet meeting to approve Russian forces commitment on saturday) aren't going anywhere we have to realistically face what seems to be becoming a very much proven fact that there is no leeway we either back down from Ukraine and providing Russia refrains from pushing through to the north and western part which the Cabinet decided on Saturday to allow the whole of Ukraine to be under the spectrum of deployment, allow for the referendum to go ahead with Crimea and allow the situation to play out as History should allow it to... The west have really done a boo boo here and this kind of diplomacy is dangerous for so many people all because of we want the higher position in the Geopolitical scene so we can swing our dicks when we please... I'm not really sure that it entirely legitimises Putin's actions even if you take everything that tape says as 100% true. It would certainly undermine the authority of those in Kiev, but that doesn't - in itself, there are arguments about whether there was ever a danger to ethnic Russians - give Putin carte blanche to do what he's done. Ah yes that is true and the way I see things is there are too many chefs and not enough cooks, Russia has their own agenda some of which I'm sure is personal to Putin himself he grew up proud of the soviet union and was hurt when it went south, and the West obviously has their own agenda and that is to be able to Rule the world in a dramatic tense with the US being the head of the Snake the Irony is that since the Nuclear bomb came on the seen it gave us a pause in Realising what we are all being played for, now that more advances are being made in Regards to Missile defence the Nuclear Curtain we had to preserve peace in regards to Conventional on Conventional forces is and will be diminished Russia will not allow the US to have their AMD in place as this can be considered a De-facto 1st strike... we are destined for a big ass bust up its the only we world peace will be achieved, and that is through elimination of a rival Ideal there will always be differences and eventually it will come toe to toe in Europe as we seem to be historically the worlds battleground... I don't agree with any party involved in this as this is going to screw us all over bad but I do see points and pick out those that ring true to myself because at the end of it all we can all sit around and play the blame game but none of it will matter on the micro scale of things as we would still have to fight not for Queen or Country but for Ourselves and families our self survival dictates how Future generations will be educated History is written by the victors well the way I see things is we are the ones who can write our own histories but we have to write another persons 1st and that is the shell of society Revolution can only come with the Death of another... (and PS @ Limpan for the respect ) Well said! |
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User ID: 44465073 Estonia 03/05/2014 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 BREAKING: Estonian Foreign Ministry confirms authenticity of leaked call on Kiev snipers [link to rt.com] To those who wouldn't believe me ;) Last Edited by FunkY on 03/05/2014 10:06 AM "The master understands that the universe is always out of control". -Lao Tzu The 5th Dimension principal of harmony reveals that supporting others creates strength. The lower dimension mind believes that acquiring or taking from others makes you stronger. Yet, as you can imagine, if all people desire to "take" from others, the fabric of the reality tears itself apart. If you want to start prospering and growing stronger,start focusing on supporting others. If you want to start prospering and growing stronger, focus on supporting others where you can. Give to others that cross YOUR PATH and you soon discover you will be given more. The 5th Dimension principal of harmony means that you will always have an abundance to do a good work. |
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User ID: 55188312 Sweden 03/05/2014 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 On BBC.. 15:03: US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel says Washington plans to expand military cooperation with its "allies" Poland and the Baltic States Good way of defusing the situation.. NOT! Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |
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User ID: 44465073 Estonia 03/05/2014 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel says Washington plans to expand military cooperation with its "allies" Poland and the Baltic States. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55168473 "The master understands that the universe is always out of control". -Lao Tzu The 5th Dimension principal of harmony reveals that supporting others creates strength. The lower dimension mind believes that acquiring or taking from others makes you stronger. Yet, as you can imagine, if all people desire to "take" from others, the fabric of the reality tears itself apart. If you want to start prospering and growing stronger,start focusing on supporting others. If you want to start prospering and growing stronger, focus on supporting others where you can. Give to others that cross YOUR PATH and you soon discover you will be given more. The 5th Dimension principal of harmony means that you will always have an abundance to do a good work. |
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User ID: 55188312 Sweden 03/05/2014 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 BREAKING: Estonian Foreign Ministry confirms authenticity of leaked call on Kiev snipers Quoting: FunkY [link to rt.com] To those who wouldn't believe me ;) Well I never said I didnt believe you but I still think there is more behind the scenes than what can be heard on the tape. :) Thanks for the update though.. Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7801970 Italy 03/05/2014 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 32 sec #Donetsk RSA attacked by 2000 pro-#russian protesters.#Ukrainians will come to the central square at 6pm for the rally -5channel |PR News |