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N.O.S. (nli) User ID: 65663141 Serbia 12/01/2014 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ...Just ask the pilots of the two stealthy F-117 bombers that were put out of action by Serbs in the 1999 Kosovo air war using antiquated radar systems. Quoting: RTS REDUX FYI more than just 2 F-117s were hit during "Operation Allied Force/Operation Noble Anvil" + also a B2 spirit was hit and destroyed. The Americans will only admit the F-117 shot down at Budjanovci but unfortunately it was proved in that very bombing campaign that "stealth" technology is one big expensive fail ;) Those "invisible" aircraft were hit by some very outdated stuff. Imagine what modern anti-aircraft weapons will do to those expensive peaces of junk. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22629649 United States 12/01/2014 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: KneelB4Zod! :omnomnom: (Ukraine Reporter ‏@StateOfUkraine 44 min. #Ukraine says that Russian military representatives have agreed to a ceasefire at Donetsk airport but a source says this is meaningless) wow, even Ukraine Reporter is doubting brainwashington's media fodder Well, there has to be a ceasefire somewhere? It's is still officially that and Minsk protocol yada-yada. I consider this news more less as the entertainment one. Russian general is probably something like nuclear shelling of Lugansk airport or Bezler killed by SpetsNaz. Just like the reports that stated India cancels 22bn usd deal with France if France refuse to release Mistrals to Putin. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22629649 United States 12/01/2014 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ...Just ask the pilots of the two stealthy F-117 bombers that were put out of action by Serbs in the 1999 Kosovo air war using antiquated radar systems. Quoting: RTS REDUX FYI more than just 2 F-117s were hit during "Operation Allied Force/Operation Noble Anvil" + also a B2 spirit was hit and destroyed. The Americans will only admit the F-117 shot down at Budjanovci but unfortunately it was proved in that very bombing campaign that "stealth" technology is one big expensive fail ;) Those "invisible" aircraft were hit by some very outdated stuff. Imagine what modern anti-aircraft weapons will do to those expensive peaces of junk. Exactly how was the F-117 defeated? The one that American's admit to, anyway. |
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User ID: 65323411 United States 12/01/2014 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Moscow and Ankara agree to build offshore gas pipeline to Turkey — Gazprom head [link to en.tass.ru] A major cooperation agreement between Turkey and Russia. SouthStream had been intended to lessen risk by routing through Bulgaria instead of (as well as) Turkey. In many ways this pipeline duplicates the already existing BlueStream pipeline. Except it is nearly FOUR times the throughput. BlueStream 16bn m3/year Turkey's share of new pipe 14bn m3/year Greece share of new pipe 49bn m3/year Of course Greece's share including all gas transit through Greece to Italy, Macedonia and Serbia and beyond. A nice profitable deal for Greece. Bulgaria and Moldova are screwed. SouthStream could still be built in spite of all. But the EU would have to totally switch from obstructionism to putting up money with Russia for a joint venture. Seems unlikely but you never know. Last Edited by FormerlyBritish on 12/01/2014 02:58 PM |
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N.O.S. (nli) User ID: 65663141 Serbia 12/01/2014 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ...Just ask the pilots of the two stealthy F-117 bombers that were put out of action by Serbs in the 1999 Kosovo air war using antiquated radar systems. Quoting: RTS REDUX FYI more than just 2 F-117s were hit during "Operation Allied Force/Operation Noble Anvil" + also a B2 spirit was hit and destroyed. The Americans will only admit the F-117 shot down at Budjanovci but unfortunately it was proved in that very bombing campaign that "stealth" technology is one big expensive fail ;) Those "invisible" aircraft were hit by some very outdated stuff. Imagine what modern anti-aircraft weapons will do to those expensive peaces of junk. Exactly how was the F-117 defeated? The one that American's admit to, anyway. It was shot down by an outdated Soviet surface to air system S-125 Neva/Pečora (NATO name SA-3 Goa). |
FormerlyBritish
User ID: 65323411 United States 12/01/2014 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 FYI more than just 2 F-117s were hit during "Operation Allied Force/Operation Noble Anvil" + also a B2 spirit was hit and destroyed. The Americans will only admit the F-117 shot down at Budjanovci but unfortunately it was proved in that very bombing campaign that "stealth" technology is one big expensive fail ;) Those "invisible" aircraft were hit by some very outdated stuff. Imagine what modern anti-aircraft weapons will do to those expensive peaces of junk. Quoting: N.O.S. (nli) 65663141 Exactly how was the F-117 defeated? The one that American's admit to, anyway. It was shot down by an outdated Soviet surface to air system S-125 Neva/Pečora (NATO name SA-3 Goa). I really don't want to get into this "my weapon is better than your weapon" childishness. But the experts will tell you that stealth is not about being invisible. It's about being spotted later and catching the defenders off-guard. Stealth works best when you have the element of surprise on your side. Not so much value if you are expected. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65666502 France 12/01/2014 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Moscow and Ankara agree to build offshore gas pipeline to Turkey — Gazprom head Quoting: FormerlyBritish [link to en.tass.ru] A major cooperation agreement between Turkey and Russia. SouthStream had been intended to lessen risk by routing through Bulgaria instead of (as well as) Turkey. In many ways this pipeline duplicates the already existing BlueStream pipeline. Except it is nearly FOUR times the throughput. BlueStream 16bn m3/year Turkey's share of new pipe 14bn m3/year Greece share of new pipe 49bn m3/year Of course Greece's share including all gas transit through Greece to Italy, Macedonia and Serbia and beyond. A nice profitable deal for Greece. Bulgaria and Moldova are screwed. SouthStream could still be built in spite of all. But the EU would have to totally switch from obstructionism to putting up money with Russia for a joint venture. Seems unlikely but you never know. In view of growing sales of Turkmenistan gas to China and decline of its re-sales by Russia, as well as coming shortage of own gas due to absence of investments into development of new gas fields and building of necessary pipelines during long years aggravated by actual western sanctions and ban for financing/equipement/technologies Russia would not have enough gas for South Stream quite soon. So, a decision to stop its implementation looks fully justified. At least one clever decision taken by Kremlin during last years. |
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N.O.S. (nli) User ID: 65663141 Serbia 12/01/2014 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: N.O.S. (nli) 65663141 FYI more than just 2 F-117s were hit during "Operation Allied Force/Operation Noble Anvil" + also a B2 spirit was hit and destroyed. The Americans will only admit the F-117 shot down at Budjanovci but unfortunately it was proved in that very bombing campaign that "stealth" technology is one big expensive fail ;) Those "invisible" aircraft were hit by some very outdated stuff. Imagine what modern anti-aircraft weapons will do to those expensive peaces of junk. Exactly how was the F-117 defeated? The one that American's admit to, anyway. It was shot down by an outdated Soviet surface to air system S-125 Neva/Pečora (NATO name SA-3 Goa). I really don't want to get into this "my weapon is better than your weapon" childishness. But the experts will tell you that stealth is not about being invisible. It's about being spotted later and catching the defenders off-guard. Stealth works best when you have the element of surprise on your side. Not so much value if you are expected. Well they were marketed as "invisible". :) ...and were shot down, or damaged by "obsolete junk". Anyways... A weapon is only as good as the one who wields it. ;) In this case the former Army of Yugoslavia had some skillful people in its air defense units. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1273864 United States 12/01/2014 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Exactly how was the F-117 defeated? The one that American's admit to, anyway. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22629649 The Serbs received info from Russia/China/sources in Nato about the departure and routes of F-117 missions. They had a probable timeframe and trajectory when a F-117 would be in a certain 'airbox'. Then they would pump a massive amount of ordenance and SAMs in that airbox. They SAMs were heatseakers that were activated on arriving in that airbox and started roaming for a heatsource to attack. |
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User ID: 65520503 Czechia 12/01/2014 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22629649 Exactly how was the F-117 defeated? The one that American's admit to, anyway. It was shot down by an outdated Soviet surface to air system S-125 Neva/Pečora (NATO name SA-3 Goa). I really don't want to get into this "my weapon is better than your weapon" childishness. But the experts will tell you that stealth is not about being invisible. It's about being spotted later and catching the defenders off-guard. Stealth works best when you have the element of surprise on your side. Not so much value if you are expected. Well they were marketed as "invisible". :) ...and were shot down, or damaged by "obsolete junk". Anyways... A weapon is only as good as the one who wields it. ;) In this case the former Army of Yugoslavia had some skillful people in its air defense units. American "invisible" planes, first of them was F-117 in service since 1983, could be detected by Czech made radiolocator Tamara (NATO callsign Trash Can) developed by state company Tesla between 1981 and 1983. Also we developed other great radiolocators as VERA or Ramona. So "invisibile" was not very accurate designation... [link to upload.wikimedia.org] [link to bemil.chosun.com] Last Edited by KneelB4Zod! on 12/01/2014 04:21 PM “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
N.O.S. (nli) User ID: 65663141 Serbia 12/01/2014 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Exactly how was the F-117 defeated? The one that American's admit to, anyway. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22629649 The Serbs received info from Russia/China/sources in Nato about the departure and routes of F-117 missions. They had a probable timeframe and trajectory when a F-117 would be in a certain 'airbox'. Then they would pump a massive amount of ordenance and SAMs in that airbox. They SAMs were heatseakers that were activated on arriving in that airbox and started roaming for a heatsource to attack. Hm... Most valuable info was gathered from western sources opposed to the NATO bombing campaign. The Russians helped also, and the Chinese embassy NATO bombing "accident" in Belgrade was not an accident... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 65300231 Netherlands 12/01/2014 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @Novorossiyan: Just read #Novorossiyan defence forces are now 45,000 strong and that number of tanks equals those of #Ukraine. @Poroshenko @pmbreedlove Quoting: Lyonesse That would be a huge concentration of armor in a tiny spot, in comparison with Ukraine itself. But Ukraine's airforce looks nonexistent right about now. |
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User ID: 65520503 Czechia 12/01/2014 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Photos from snowy Donbass: [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] Last Edited by KneelB4Zod! on 12/01/2014 04:49 PM “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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User ID: 61828182 United States 12/01/2014 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 MOSCOW—The ruble plunged to record lows Monday, amid its sharpest fall this year, as investors sold the currency following a dive in the price of oil—Russia’s main source of foreign-currency revenues. The ruble slid around 6%—its worst daily drop since the 1998 crisis when the currency was devalued and Russia defaulted on its debt—to almost 54 to the dollar in volatile trading, before recovering to around 52 by the end of the main trading session on the Moscow Exchange. Traders said the recovery seemed to be the result of intervention by the central bank, which doesn’t report its activities on the market in real time. The ruble is now down nearly 40% against the dollar this year, making it the second-worst performer in the world. The latest drop spooked other investors, as well, with Russia’s benchmark RTS stock index dropping and the cost of insuring the country’s debt jumping sharply Monday. <50% [link to online.wsj.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64980533 Austria 12/01/2014 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Now why does Russia want to invade any other country when they have so much territory?... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54622593 When did you stop beating your wife? Secondary school debate team tactic. lmao You obviously didn't get the irony. Take care |
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User ID: 65520503 Czechia 12/01/2014 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ceasefire on Donetsk airport - explosions and flares... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
hIndsIght2020
User ID: 61828182 United States 12/01/2014 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Chart showing the Ruble's crash [link to www.businessinsider.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56826617 Luxembourg 12/01/2014 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 MOSCOW—The ruble plunged to record lows Monday, amid its sharpest fall this year, as investors sold the currency following a dive in the price of oil—Russia’s main source of foreign-currency revenues. Quoting: hIndsIght2020 The ruble slid around 6%—its worst daily drop since the 1998 crisis when the currency was devalued and Russia defaulted on its debt—to almost 54 to the dollar in volatile trading, before recovering to around 52 by the end of the main trading session on the Moscow Exchange. Traders said the recovery seemed to be the result of intervention by the central bank, which doesn’t report its activities on the market in real time. The ruble is now down nearly 40% against the dollar this year, making it the second-worst performer in the world. The latest drop spooked other investors, as well, with Russia’s benchmark RTS stock index dropping and the cost of insuring the country’s debt jumping sharply Monday. <50% [link to online.wsj.com] so is the australian dollar Putinbot, it's at a 4 year low vs USD...although the Ruble has lost more because of the oil price it's not really something out of the ordinary. The ruble recovered not bc of the central bank but because oil price rose again today mid-day |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65280895 United States 12/01/2014 05:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 MOSCOW—The ruble plunged to record lows Monday, amid its sharpest fall this year, as investors sold the currency following a dive in the price of oil—Russia’s main source of foreign-currency revenues. Quoting: hIndsIght2020 The ruble slid around 6%—its worst daily drop since the 1998 crisis when the currency was devalued and Russia defaulted on its debt—to almost 54 to the dollar in volatile trading, before recovering to around 52 by the end of the main trading session on the Moscow Exchange. Traders said the recovery seemed to be the result of intervention by the central bank, which doesn’t report its activities on the market in real time. The ruble is now down nearly 40% against the dollar this year, making it the second-worst performer in the world. The latest drop spooked other investors, as well, with Russia’s benchmark RTS stock index dropping and the cost of insuring the country’s debt jumping sharply Monday. <50% [link to online.wsj.com] Na na na na, Na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye Russia! |