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User ID: 18164985 Denmark 06/05/2014 09:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Just tell me - How long can hundreds of the volunteers arrive daily? One month? Six months? How many of them can arrive? This is what i would like to know... “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Tamonten
User ID: 34754802 Russia 06/05/2014 09:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 About officers of Finland - I too can't really elaborate into this, but the thing is I do not think that Russian rule was something bad for Finland. Quoting: Tamonten You are right, the autonomy enjoyed in the Russian empire was better than what the situation was with Sweden, and within the autonomy we gained most governing instances that made independence easier. Both Sweden and Russia did have cultural influences. That’s the thing. Russian Empire was never a repressive one. And I see it as close to ideal superstate as it’s possible. Russia will welcome any territory that (1) want to join Russia (with overwhelming vote) and (2) ready for that (economically, politically etc.). Quoting: Tamonten On first count the referendums have hardly been believable in Ukraine and on the second don't view the groups that held them capable of lawful governance. More on this in few paragraphs below. Actually, referendums in Crimea and Sevastopol are as close to the truth, as possible. I may not have direct acquaintances there, but my friends (mentioned several days ago here) are regulars to Crimea for many (5+) years. They confirm that the sentiment “back to Russia as soon as it’s possible” was always there. And both Crimea and Sevastopol had some bit of autonomy in Ukraine, so they’ve managed to actually use bits of it to perform their duties for that month of declared independency and provide enough legal base to referendums. With DPR and LPR situation is different. While they are the most pro-Russian regions of the rest of Ukraine, they didn’t have enough autonomy to swiftly do everything needed to be admitted to Russia. Governors there were from Kiev and they didn’t have enough experience to effectively manage everything. By strong ruler I define primarly the competent one. And, while a large number of sufferings were caused by strong rulers, weak ones had a share of blood on their hands. Quoting: Tamonten True, what I meant was someone who wishes his name to live in history, create 'legacy' of some kind, etc. In this sense those rulers who are weak AND want to create 'legacy' are the worst of all. In short - there really was a number of problems during all the last 23 years. And events in Kiev really indicated that it would just increase in future. Quoting: Tamonten There was the one example you referred and I don't know what to make of that incident. The person did get the passport with her real name after all. Disagreeable as it was, and I don't doubt there are many instances like it, it's hardly the kind of discrimination that warrants violence. And there are democratic channels to rectify these issues. Case mentioned by me is just an indication of how far it progressed. Such things happened on all levels. And those stories (including a story that one of those acquaintances was forced to quit his work as physical education teacher and deputy principal because he preferred to use Russian language) made the other stories believable to me. What I meant was Russian media perpetrated that there was virtual genocide going while nothing of the kind was observed. But now the foot is in the other foot and UN reports terror, targeted murders, torture towards Ukrainian speakers in the Sloviansk region perpetrated by Strelkov/Girkin militia group. In comparison the passport incident is rather minor. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58805422 Conversely, the situation the western Ukraine did have sporadic incidents according to the same report so they're not blameless either, but no reports of repression on the scale of separatist controlled areas. [link to www.youtube.com] – this one for example? It’s just a small bit of it. The thing is that UN is useless if there are no balance between sides. All the UN representatives during SC meetings are talking according to the same script. Same with the other institutions of UN including humanitarian ones. How many Russians are employed there? Do they represent our country’s position? I wouldn’t comment the alleged “tortures” until there are some solid proof. I’ve seen a lot of video and photographic proofs of Odessa and Mariupol incedents, of bombings of Slavyansk, Donetsk and Lugansk that was confirmed by Russian experts – of course ignored by the West. On the other side we see just some claims without real proofs. Even Maidan snipering thing turned out to be a sham. I know that before the conflict escalated the new Kiev government did try to appeal to the eastern areas, abandoned that language law that caused strife, offered increased autonomy to eastern regions, amnesties, etc. Even in hindsight I don't know what more they have done. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58805422 Actually, conflict escalated way before those in Kiev began to even think about East. They are ignoring de facto situation and trying to ignore local leaders writing them off as terrorists. That’s what actually making situation difficult. If they really wanted to give autonomy to the East nothing like that would have happened. Other factor here is that Kiev can’t be considered by anyone there as a side with which talks are possible or useful. They ignored February 21 agreement – along with Brusseles one. They constantly ignore the laws and even common sense. Neither do I view the separatism in this case as any kind of spontaneous incident but organized from Russia. This is supported by the nationalities of the fighters, identical methods by which the civilian governance was abolished in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, and the sudden appearance of separatist leaders who previously were nonentities, or from Russia like Strelkov/Girkin. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58805422 There’s a saying – something like “revolution gives birth to it’s heroes”. There’s no real leaders in this regions. All the political life during last 50 years in USSR and post-Soviet states was discouraging honest – or at least competent – people from having some connection with it. Have you noted that Chaliy who was proclaimed “people’s governor of Sevastopol” abandoned the post as soon as reunification with Russia thing was done? There are some good strong leaders in SE Ukraine – they are all pro-Russian and are considered criminals by current Kiev: Aksyonov, Konstantinov, Tsaryov… And excuse me – do you believe that coup in Kiev was completely natural and there was no involvement from outside there? The view of Ukraine's government is the same any sane leadership would be, to quell it with arms if need to be rather than be cut to pieces by foreign power. Perhaps both parties have maneuvered themselves to corner and cannot back down. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58805422 We are living in completely different media spaces. And my media space (famous “Russian Propaganda” one) is confirmed by my personal experiences, acquaintances, knowledge of history and of post-Soviet situation. What I can’t understand is what supports your universe aside from MSM? I'm pretty egoistic myself, but I believe in some higher entities at the same time. And main of this entities (above all the gods and laws of physics) is the Truth in it's perfect sense. And, quoting Molotov, "Ours is a righteous cause. The enemy shall be defeated. Victory will be ours." Quoting: Tamonten I have noted some similarities between religious fanaticism and the pro-Russian crowd. :) I’ll clarify one more time – I’m Pagan and don’t like all Semitic religions In general. And in this aspect I’m pretty much disconnected from general population of Russia (which is generally Orthodoxal, Muslim and atheistic in some proportions). But belief that those who are fighting for Truth are prone to win is one of the central things uniting Russia in a state. It’s not religious fanaticism, it patriotism – a thing that was pretty foreign to me just a year or so ago. And, paradoxically, it’s what makes me believe in what Putin and other “hawks” (including ‘trumpet of Kremlin propaganda’ Kiselyov) are saying. They must understand that lying to Russian people is the shortest way to destroy the country. "When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901) "But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008) "Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings" "Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew) Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat. "Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one. Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation! Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55945924 France 06/05/2014 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 "Mercenaries, deserters and volunteers in the fight Who are the armed combatants in the Donbass region?" According to reports, Chechens areamong them. Observers say among the locals their are more and more armed men from Russia. [link to www.dw.de] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55945924 France 06/05/2014 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 "Russia never annexed Crimea, no plans to intervene Ukraine, it's Western delusion - Putin" [link to voiceofrussia.com] Putin has destroyed his and Russia's credibility on the international community. |
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User ID: 52951355 Romania 06/05/2014 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 IF IT'S REAL Edit: That does look a lot like Bezler... Not good. Last Edited by Dorset Moran on 06/05/2014 09:44 AM -Tom |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 40933356 Canada 06/05/2014 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 LOL: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55945924 "Russia never annexed Crimea, no plans to intervene Ukraine, it's Western delusion - Putin" [link to voiceofrussia.com] Putin has destroyed his and Russia's credibility on the international community. Haven't all leaders lied and been hypocritical? |
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User ID: 18164985 Denmark 06/05/2014 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 marqs ‏@MarQs__ · 5 hod. BREAKING: #Pushilin says residents of #Odessa region trying to join #Donetsk&#Lugansk announcing creation of People's Republic of Odessa. “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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User ID: 52951355 Romania 06/05/2014 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Fuck it. Bezler was right to execute those cunts. Karma for all the NAF POW's executed, and Civilians killed by the UA army. Last Edited by Dorset Moran on 06/05/2014 09:53 AM -Tom |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 58897353 Poland 06/05/2014 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 He is saying that he have a 6 more oficers some coloner sbu and milita/army oficers and this is message to turchynow and some other kiev oficials if they do not release his men (cant understand that this is one men or mens) he will execute by pairs 6 others... for me it looks real and this guy must be very desperate to geting back his men heh he talk like this is some personal case. |
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User ID: 52951355 Romania 06/05/2014 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 RT @Catherina_News #Semenovka just hell now, you can go deaf (from the explosions) #Slaviansk #Slavyansk #Ukraine #cdnpoli marqs ‏@MarQs__ 1m BREAKING: 2nd video of separatists moving towards #Amvrosiivka [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] … Last Edited by Dorset Moran on 06/05/2014 09:58 AM -Tom |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51685491 Ukraine 06/05/2014 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine Reporter @StateOfUkraine · 9 min Quoting: Luisport video of #Russian/pro-#Russian forces in APC heading Amvrosiivka to fight #Ukraine National Guards via @novostidnua … already posted, you dont read your own thread? CAN YOU STOP TO BE RUDE!!! Thank you. Everyone in this thread needs to be less rude. We can have the discussion without name-calling, personal attacks, and general rudeness that is getting more and more frequent here. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13293442 United States 06/05/2014 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine Reporter @StateOfUkraine · 9 min Quoting: Luisport video of #Russian/pro-#Russian forces in APC heading Amvrosiivka to fight #Ukraine National Guards via @novostidnua … already posted, you dont read your own thread? GTFO. Go see if The Moscow Times will publish your drivel. |
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User ID: 54058774 United States 06/05/2014 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 LOL: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55945924 "Russia never annexed Crimea, no plans to intervene Ukraine, it's Western delusion - Putin" [link to voiceofrussia.com] Putin has destroyed his and Russia's credibility on the international community. Putin is correct...Russia did NOT annex Crimea. The people of Crimea demonstrated their God given right of self determination and voted to leave Ukraine and join Russia. Take your bullshit new world order lies elsewhere shill. |
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User ID: 52431909 Ireland 06/05/2014 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine Reporter @StateOfUkraine · 9 min Quoting: Luisport video of #Russian/pro-#Russian forces in APC heading Amvrosiivka to fight #Ukraine National Guards via @novostidnua … already posted, you dont read your own thread? GTFO. Go see if The Moscow Times will publish your drivel. Moscow Times is a pro NWO rag....I think. |
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User ID: 4064223 United States 06/05/2014 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Retweeted by AJSB Catherina ‏@Catherina_News 38m #Lugansk Phone hotline overloaded Many calling from #Slavyansk complaining that #Ukraine Forces won't let women evac out via @sashakots Last Edited by Dorset Moran on 06/05/2014 10:15 AM -Tom |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58757472 Belgium 06/05/2014 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Gregor Peter @L0gg0l · 1 min CAMERON: SECTORAL SENCTIONS TO HIT RUSSIA IF STATUS QUO DOESN'T CHANGE Cameron set to have a meeting with Putin tonight.... time to hit Russians financial institutes. Russians will withdraw there money and put em on EU banks. Down down with russia's economy |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58487295 United States 06/05/2014 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ahh yes, this is Putin. The master strategist, master chess player. This is Putin stimulating his economy? Russia is on the precipice of recession and Herr Putler continues to scare away foreign enterprises, who are currently in Russia or those that would like to set-up businesses in Russia. lol what? what are foreign NGOs having to do with businesses. Let me help you with that - nothing. Yes, I see your point and my explanation is lacking. In emerging markets, NGO can play a significant role in partnering with foreign enterprises for the purposes of launching and sustaining for profit enterprises. NGOs have an advantage because they are many times indigenous entities, a local footprint. They provide local knowledge of markets, social norms, things that are critical to understanding market segmentation for products and services. If a government has policies that undermine the NGO, maybe businesses go elsewhere. Ukraine should have rejected the 5 billion investment and made their NGO's register as agents. Formerly AIPAC was required to register as agents. As it should be. |