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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56719832 Portugal 04/13/2014 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: missanthropic55 Now it's 'limited support'. Changed their statement right and quick. U. S. Paymasters must have told them to dial it down a knotch :) It is nightfall. A lot can be going on to finalize preparations on the border while the UN Security Council meets. "Limited support" is probably a new talking point for Samantha Powers. It will take more than a new set of words to change the threat level on either side though. Do you think there is a real chance that NATO will get involved? I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me if the Russians took everything east of the Dnieper. The current UKR administration will be forced to fight or give up half the country. They will not want ti give up their power (however achieved) willingly. They need NATO. If Russia takes to the Dnieper, they will now share a border with Belarus, who IS in NATO. If Russia goes west, Poland will be really unhappy (unhappier than they are now.) Still a lot of variables. |
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djdandew1
User ID: 56763948 United Kingdom 04/13/2014 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Lol it looks like bin laiden's Russian cousin “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” General Wesley Clark |
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User ID: 1546575 United Kingdom 04/13/2014 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 NATO is prepared to let Russia take the Ukraine, without resorting to all out war. But once Russia has taken the Ukraine, tensions will be high and the politics complicated. So war could still result. Life is a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves. |
djdandew1
User ID: 56763948 United Kingdom 04/13/2014 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @MiddleEast_BRK 2m #BreakingNews A large Ukrainian army convoy moved towards #Mariupol this evening. “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” General Wesley Clark |
missanthropic55
User ID: 56677415 United Kingdom 04/13/2014 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 NATO is prepared to let Russia take the Ukraine, without resorting to all out war. Quoting: ThesonofhendriX But once Russia has taken the Ukraine, tensions will be high and the politics complicated. So war could still result. Don't believe it, if for no other reason than the pipelines Anti-Zionism NOT Antisemitism |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 45481459 United States 04/13/2014 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: missanthropic55 Now it's 'limited support'. Changed their statement right and quick. U. S. Paymasters must have told them to dial it down a knotch :) It is nightfall. A lot can be going on to finalize preparations on the border while the UN Security Council meets. "Limited support" is probably a new talking point for Samantha Powers. It will take more than a new set of words to change the threat level on either side though. Do you think there is a real chance that NATO will get involved? I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me if the Russians took everything east of the Dnieper. The current UKR administration will be forced to fight or give up half the country. They will not want ti give up their power (however achieved) willingly. They need NATO. If Russia takes to the Dnieper, they will now share a border with Belarus, who IS in NATO. If Russia goes west, Poland will be really unhappy (unhappier than they are now.) Still a lot of variables. Belarus is not in NATO. Belarus is a member of CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organization) a counter to NATO. It includes Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan, and Tadjikistan. |
missanthropic55
User ID: 56677415 United Kingdom 04/13/2014 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 NATO is prepared to let Russia take the Ukraine, without resorting to all out war. Quoting: ThesonofhendriX But once Russia has taken the Ukraine, tensions will be high and the politics complicated. So war could still result. Don't believe it, if for no other reason than the pipelines Actually ...scratch that. They are Russian pipelines lol Anti-Zionism NOT Antisemitism |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56769804 Croatia 04/13/2014 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I spent a summer in Lugansk several years ago, and made some very good friends, even though I am neither Russian nor Ukrainian, and just a typical American with a hatred of the NWO and what they have done to America. Here is a reply to an email I sent one of my female friends recently which I thought you all might find interesting regarding the situation in Lugansk right now. She is living in Toronto now but was born and raised there: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56678328 ---------- I am very pro-ukrainian ... and my parents are more pro-russian. . So I see the picture from both sides and this is how it looks: Protesters are being supported by Russia for sure. People of lugansk split into 2 groups , majority being on russian side and wants to join russia, minority wants to stay in Ukraine. Autonomy from Kiev is just a formal reason for protests as real reason separatism is a crime under Ukrainian law. People are brain washed by russian media on the edge of absurdity. As a bigger picture , everything in Lugansk and region is under control of Russian intelligence , all scenarios and demands are what Kremlin dictates... and what Kremlin/local oligarchs pay for. Of course with the help of local puppet leaders , "helpers" lulled by media , corrupted militia and ordinary people that are just desperate. Power guns and money rule in Lugansk now and God knows when it will be over. Sad but true is the fact that EU/USA and Russia won't stay out of Ukraine. It a bigger game that's is being played now on Ukrainian soil. Also, East and center/west of ukraine are way too different in their views, goals, needs and wants. We need a wise leader to unite this country, unfortunately I don't see such on the political arena at this moment. Hope this answers some of your questions on what's going on there. There aren't enough good sources of information in English on this topic if any. Of course I'm not claiming to be 100% right..it's my point of view. I bet anyone of the protesters would tell you a different story of ugly benderovtsy ( western Ukrainians ), fascism , nationalism , how their right as Russian speakers are being violated , how they are against "gay europe" , American intervention, nato , anything western whatsoever. There is a middle ground rather than pro Kiev or pro Russian. I believe the problem lies with an unelected Kiev gov. Elections are badly needed. Some protesters are saying they don't want a union with Russia, but they are against the current Kiev authorities. Keep believing. It really matters what you believe. Fuck the facts. |
NawtyBits
User ID: 56733092 United States 04/13/2014 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 NATO is prepared to let Russia take the Ukraine, without resorting to all out war. Quoting: ThesonofhendriX But once Russia has taken the Ukraine, tensions will be high and the politics complicated. So war could still result. If this happens, Russia will border the NATO countries of: Poland Slovakia Hungary Romania And Poland remembers..... WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45481459 United States 04/13/2014 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56775373 It is nightfall. A lot can be going on to finalize preparations on the border while the UN Security Council meets. "Limited support" is probably a new talking point for Samantha Powers. It will take more than a new set of words to change the threat level on either side though. Do you think there is a real chance that NATO will get involved? I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me if the Russians took everything east of the Dnieper. The current UKR administration will be forced to fight or give up half the country. They will not want ti give up their power (however achieved) willingly. They need NATO. If Russia takes to the Dnieper, they will now share a border with Belarus, who IS in NATO. If Russia goes west, Poland will be really unhappy (unhappier than they are now.) Still a lot of variables. Belarus is not in NATO. Belarus is a member of CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organization) a counter to NATO. It includes Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan, and Tadjikistan. Russia already shares a border with Belarus. It is possible that they have troops in Belarus. |
Unit 88
User ID: 18308887 United Kingdom 04/13/2014 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Transition to War Stage 2 Hospitals being cleared Make room for casualties from the front line and allow reservists to mobilise Hospitals, the fire brigade and other emergency services could be overstretched after conventional or terrorist attack, if they still exist. Fewer medical staff, due to reserves mobilisation. |
NawtyBits
User ID: 56733092 United States 04/13/2014 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56775373 It is nightfall. A lot can be going on to finalize preparations on the border while the UN Security Council meets. "Limited support" is probably a new talking point for Samantha Powers. It will take more than a new set of words to change the threat level on either side though. Do you think there is a real chance that NATO will get involved? I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me if the Russians took everything east of the Dnieper. The current UKR administration will be forced to fight or give up half the country. They will not want ti give up their power (however achieved) willingly. They need NATO. If Russia takes to the Dnieper, they will now share a border with Belarus, who IS in NATO. If Russia goes west, Poland will be really unhappy (unhappier than they are now.) Still a lot of variables. Belarus is not in NATO. Belarus is a member of CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organization) a counter to NATO. It includes Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan, and Tadjikistan. I stand corrected. Thank you. Belarus joined NATO’s Partnership for Peace (PfP) in 1995. NATO and Belarus have established a relationship based on the pursuit of common interests, while also keeping open channels for dialogue. Belarus has developed an Individual Partnership Programme (IPP) and participates in the Planning and Review Process (PARP). WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
Kent User ID: 56775462 Greece 04/13/2014 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @electradiffusa 2m Quoting: djdandew1 Yanukovich: Kiev authorities ordered military op in Ukraine's east aft. meeting wth CIA chief John Brennan [link to rt.com] Why is this guy still flapping his mouth? He'll never get back to a position of power ever again. He won't have to. He is serving a purpose now. So are you, me, and everyone else, here and everywhere. Sad, but true. Think about it. Take care |
missanthropic55
User ID: 56677415 United Kingdom 04/13/2014 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I spent a summer in Lugansk several years ago, and made some very good friends, even though I am neither Russian nor Ukrainian, and just a typical American with a hatred of the NWO and what they have done to America. Here is a reply to an email I sent one of my female friends recently which I thought you all might find interesting regarding the situation in Lugansk right now. She is living in Toronto now but was born and raised there: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56678328 ---------- I am very pro-ukrainian ... and my parents are more pro-russian. . So I see the picture from both sides and this is how it looks: Protesters are being supported by Russia for sure. People of lugansk split into 2 groups , majority being on russian side and wants to join russia, minority wants to stay in Ukraine. Autonomy from Kiev is just a formal reason for protests as real reason separatism is a crime under Ukrainian law. People are brain washed by russian media on the edge of absurdity. As a bigger picture , everything in Lugansk and region is under control of Russian intelligence , all scenarios and demands are what Kremlin dictates... and what Kremlin/local oligarchs pay for. Of course with the help of local puppet leaders , "helpers" lulled by media , corrupted militia and ordinary people that are just desperate. Power guns and money rule in Lugansk now and God knows when it will be over. Sad but true is the fact that EU/USA and Russia won't stay out of Ukraine. It a bigger game that's is being played now on Ukrainian soil. Also, East and center/west of ukraine are way too different in their views, goals, needs and wants. We need a wise leader to unite this country, unfortunately I don't see such on the political arena at this moment. Hope this answers some of your questions on what's going on there. There aren't enough good sources of information in English on this topic if any. Of course I'm not claiming to be 100% right..it's my point of view. I bet anyone of the protesters would tell you a different story of ugly benderovtsy ( western Ukrainians ), fascism , nationalism , how their right as Russian speakers are being violated , how they are against "gay europe" , American intervention, nato , anything western whatsoever. There is a middle ground rather than pro Kiev or pro Russian. I believe the problem lies with an unelected Kiev gov. Elections are badly needed. Some protesters are saying they don't want a union with Russia, but they are against the current Kiev authorities. Keep believing. It really matters what you believe. Fuck the facts. Wtf? The facts are the current authorities TOOK CONTROL. You going to dispute that? Anti-Zionism NOT Antisemitism |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56783344 Uruguay 04/13/2014 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 NATO is prepared to let Russia take the Ukraine, without resorting to all out war. Quoting: ThesonofhendriX But once Russia has taken the Ukraine, tensions will be high and the politics complicated. So war could still result. If this happens, Russia will border the NATO countries of: Poland Slovakia Hungary Romania And Poland remembers..... +Bulgaria and Turkey by water |
PIR
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56719832 Portugal 04/13/2014 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The Times of London ‏@thetimes · 7 min Tomorrow's front page: This is war, Ukraine's leader tells Kremlin [link to thetim.es] [link to twitter.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55383624 Poland 04/13/2014 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56775373 It is nightfall. A lot can be going on to finalize preparations on the border while the UN Security Council meets. "Limited support" is probably a new talking point for Samantha Powers. It will take more than a new set of words to change the threat level on either side though. Do you think there is a real chance that NATO will get involved? I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me if the Russians took everything east of the Dnieper. The current UKR administration will be forced to fight or give up half the country. They will not want ti give up their power (however achieved) willingly. They need NATO. If Russia takes to the Dnieper, they will now share a border with Belarus, who IS in NATO. If Russia goes west, Poland will be really unhappy (unhappier than they are now.) Still a lot of variables. Not quite, got countries wrong. Belarus is not part of Nato. Ukraine border with other EU and NATO countries. |
djdandew1
User ID: 56763948 United Kingdom 04/13/2014 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @gerrydogma 1m Ukrainian military train loading or offloading, Myrhorod, central Ukraine “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” General Wesley Clark |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55698097 Estonia 04/13/2014 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to www.militaryphotos.net] Old Vostok member. |
NawtyBits
User ID: 56733092 United States 04/13/2014 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @electradiffusa 2m Quoting: djdandew1 Yanukovich: Kiev authorities ordered military op in Ukraine's east aft. meeting wth CIA chief John Brennan [link to rt.com] Why is this guy still flapping his mouth? He'll never get back to a position of power ever again. He won't have to. He is serving a purpose now. So are you, me, and everyone else, here and everywhere. Sad, but true. Think about it. Take care True. But I'm not in a position to fuck up the world. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 53990064 United Kingdom 04/13/2014 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 To that guy who seems confused with regards to Belarus; Belarus is firmly in the Russian camp and certainly is not a member of NATO. It is so pro-Russian that they even use the exact same roundels still - the red star. Exactly the same as used by Russia. Russia has very close defence ties with Belarus and is beefing up it's presence there. Belarus is, for all intents and purposes, a Russian proxy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56778624 Uruguay 04/13/2014 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to www.militaryphotos.net] Old Vostok member. But that's not him. Are you blind? |
missanthropic55
User ID: 56677415 United Kingdom 04/13/2014 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The Times of London ‏@thetimes · 7 min Quoting: Luisport Tomorrow's front page: This is war, Ukraine's leader tells Kremlin [link to thetim.es] [link to twitter.com (secure)] See how the West is playing this. 'Ukraine's Leader'.... what, by popular support? Not going by Crimea or Eastern Ukraine. By democratic election? Did I miss that? Anti-Zionism NOT Antisemitism |
GodzillaReturns
Apex Predator User ID: 55298648 United States 04/13/2014 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Transition to War Quoting: Unit 88 Stage 2 Hospitals being cleared Make room for casualties from the front line and allow reservists to mobilise Hospitals, the fire brigade and other emergency services could be overstretched after conventional or terrorist attack, if they still exist. Fewer medical staff, due to reserves mobilisation. you really think it's come to that? For the ACs..there is NOTHING that you can do to me on this platform..you can throw all the insults you want won’t do a thing because IDGAF If you give me red don’t be a pussy and put your name on it. Have the balls to stand by what you say |