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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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U.N. Security Council members are considering a draft resolution to authorize cross-border aid deliveries into Syria at four points without government consent, diplomats said on Thursday, after an earlier council demand for greater access was ignored.
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Because it doesn't really matter what the people want anyway.
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congress said no because parliament said no..
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The fact is Obama had very little support for military action against Syria with or without the UK vote
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he would have had more if the vote went the other way.
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Fair enough, what would it have achieved?

Obama showing the world he's a man of his word?

By declaring red lines he put himself in a difficult position, regardless of what other countries wanted he really should have not declared red lines or went ahead with French and Arab League support.
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agreed... obama needs to go...
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Mark Mardell: So this is the Obama doctrine - we will fight for core interests, and for allies. But not just to prevent bad stuff from happening. At least not that alone. This has a potential danger - it is a signal to potential foes that while they have got to leave Lithuania and Latvia alone, the US won't fight for Ukraine or Georgia. Likewise Japan can rest easy. But not Vietnam. It makes sense but drawing red lines too clearly means people know where they can take action with impunity.
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It would have helped if Britain had his back when the shit hit the fan in syria...
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The government wanted to go in but parliament rejected it.

Same happened in the US, congress said no.
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Putin said NO^^^^^....the price for this is what you are now seeing in Ukraine..


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what a dumb twit...
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BREAKING: Russia doesn't exclude military support for terrorists in Eastern Ukraine [link to deschide.md] …
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The fact is Obama had very little support for military action against Syria with or without the UK vote
 Quoting: Unit 88


he would have had more if the vote went the other way.
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Fair enough, what would it have achieved?

Obama showing the world he's a man of his word?

By declaring red lines he put himself in a difficult position, regardless of what other countries wanted he really should have not declared red lines or went ahead with French and Arab League support.
 Quoting: Unit 88


agreed... obama needs to go...
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But the chemical attack was a false flag committed by the rebels..

[link to www.lrb.co.uk]
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he would have had more if the vote went the other way.
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Fair enough, what would it have achieved?

Obama showing the world he's a man of his word?

By declaring red lines he put himself in a difficult position, regardless of what other countries wanted he really should have not declared red lines or went ahead with French and Arab League support.
 Quoting: Unit 88


agreed... obama needs to go...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58606051


But the chemical attack was a false flag committed by the rebels..

[link to www.lrb.co.uk]
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and what about the thousands of attacks against Israel and Iran/syria's constant state of war against the west..
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Third NATO Ship Enters Black Sea, Russia Vows Increased Military Air Presence [link to www.atlanticcouncil.org] …
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Abkhazia's parliament asks president to resign [link to en.itar-tass.com]
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Third NATO Ship Enters Black Sea, Russia Vows Increased Military Air Presence [link to www.atlanticcouncil.org] …
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we are sending in some secret weapons...
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Mark Mardell: So this is the Obama doctrine - we will fight for core interests, and for allies. But not just to prevent bad stuff from happening. At least not that alone. This has a potential danger - it is a signal to potential foes that while they have got to leave Lithuania and Latvia alone, the US won't fight for Ukraine or Georgia. Likewise Japan can rest easy. But not Vietnam. It makes sense but drawing red lines too clearly means people know where they can take action with impunity.
 Quoting: Unit 88


It would have helped if Britain had his back when the shit hit the fan in syria...
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bsflag

IF he's gonna open his mouth and draw a "red line" then he better have the balls to back up his threat.

The blaming of congress or UK parliament for not backing him is bullshit. He didn't want to shoulder the responsibility of a unilateral military response in syria so he copped out by deferring to congress for the final say.
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Abkhazia's parliament asks president to resign [link to en.itar-tass.com]
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Reportedly Abkhasia will be annexed by #Russia, with a border along r.Inguri RT @stabilizec @TakiSkazala #Georgia

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What are we watching, Russia don't invades.. but slice the countries like a pizza. annexing a territory at a time.
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People fleeing heavy fighting in Sloviansk, #Ukraine in our latest dispatch [link to news.vice.com (secure)] …

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[link to www.youtube.com]

full text here

[link to new.lugansk-online.info]

Any war - is death, blood and destruction. There are different ways to treat it , but the attitude to human life - as the most valuable thing in our troubled world - should be one.

Today I at the reception were relatives of those guys who are now in captivity. These men - the real heroes . Impossible to convey the feelings that cover , when you look into the eyes of their mothers and wives . We all want to help get our soldiers from captivity. We take all possible measures to do so. We have someone to exchange them .

Yesterday and today have been the action for the release of military units on the territory of Lugansk. Parents of conscripts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine came to him with a request to release their children. Unfortunately , there were no casualties. But , nevertheless , the guys left for their homes and are now able to make your own choice. We're not going to chase them and their families . These are people who have become hostages of the situation. And not for us to judge them . We will judge those who made the guys take the weapon and use it against their own brothers and sisters.

Unlike Kiev junta , we do not shoot someone in the back, do not scoff at the prisoners ,

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Since everyone is saying Russia is about to make a move, I'll once again say Friday afternoon when markets close!

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Fair enough, what would it have achieved?

Obama showing the world he's a man of his word?

By declaring red lines he put himself in a difficult position, regardless of what other countries wanted he really should have not declared red lines or went ahead with French and Arab League support.
 Quoting: Unit 88


agreed... obama needs to go...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58606051


But the chemical attack was a false flag committed by the rebels..

[link to www.lrb.co.uk]
 Quoting: firinne


and what about the thousands of attacks against Israel and Iran/syria's constant state of war against the west..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58606051


Isreal in my view is guilty of ethnic cleansing on a grand scale, the creation of Isreal is the root cause of all the unrest across the middle east..

For every action there is a reaction....
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and what about the thousands of attacks against Israel and Iran/syria's constant state of war against the west..
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agreed... obama needs to go...
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But the chemical attack was a false flag committed by the rebels..

[link to www.lrb.co.uk]
 Quoting: firinne


and what about the thousands of attacks against Israel and Iran/syria's constant state of war against the west..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58606051


Isreal in my view is guilty of ethnic cleansing on a grand scale, the creation of Isreal is the root cause of all the unrest across the middle east..

For every action there is a reaction....
 Quoting: firinne


Islamic Arabs own and control 22 countries in the middle east... Why do they want Israel? Think about it? I'm not happy with Israel but not because of what you mention but because they deny Jesus and their own Prophets like the book of Jeremiah says..
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Since everyone is saying Russia is about to make a move, I'll once again say Friday afternoon when markets close!

iwish
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DL Keep an eye on Syria $ Israel especially around the golan heights,intel sugests big things about to go down
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Islamic Arabs own and control 22 countries in the middle east... Why do they want Israel? Think about it? I'm not happy with Israel but not because of what you mention but because they deny Jesus and their own Prophets like the book of Jeremiah says..

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Because Israel was created as a knife in a heart of the Arabian world.
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Since everyone is saying Russia is about to make a move, I'll once again say Friday afternoon when markets close!

iwish
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DL Keep an eye on Syria $ Israel especially around the golan heights,intel sugests big things about to go down
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Russia was pulling all their troops and tanks out as of 6 am this morning all the sudden they have made a 180 degree turn..


what happened..?
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BREAKING: Russia doesn't exclude military support for terrorists in Eastern Ukraine [link to deschide.md] …
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Translation of the story at that link:

Kremlin official statement that will help terrorists in Ukraine providing humanitarian aid them about this press secretary said Russian President Dmitry Peskov , says censor.net.ua .

Peskov said Russia will provide humanitarian support ru , OF THE Ukraine , which Kiev ] qualifies terrorist groups . " Humanitarian aid will be given to safety , but about military aid , can not say anything yet ," said Peskov .

Press Secretary now argues that Moscow has not received any request annexation to Russia and humanitarian support .

Earlier Russian news service said that the president of the People Donetsk, Denis Pu&#351;ilin Russian president sent a letter requesting the annexation of the region to Russia and humanitarian aid in the fight against the Russian National Guard .

Foreign affairs in Kiev Kremlin qualify intention a step against the Ukrainian police who are successful as a result of terrorist operation .

"It's a propaganda element to show the Russian public benevolent intentions of the Kremlin using the crisis that Russia itself has caused the southeastern region of Ukraine," reads the message they Kiev Foreign Ministry .


So Peskov can't say anything about military assistance yet, which can mean many things, interpretation is even more difficult because of the translation.
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Islamic Arabs own and control 22 countries in the middle east... Why do they want Israel? Think about it? I'm not happy with Israel but not because of what you mention but because they deny Jesus and their own Prophets like the book of Jeremiah says..

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Because Israel was created as a knife in a heart of the Arabian world.
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Not sure what that means?
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Source is Rt... doubt its accuracy...
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If they did not surrender then they were killed in the explosion...
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Nobody suffered except those 50 terrosits that were simply killed by NG during assault.
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You have to take their training into account. The National Guard was created after Yats took temporary office. They were conscripted, given two weeks of training and immediately sent to the front. This force is going up against trained mercenaries with fighting experience. The UA regulars are doing things like seizing and protecting building, the NG is dedicated cannon fodder. Such is war...
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I am afraid you are mistaken. National Guard troops are either not yet there or just sent only. There is certain misunderstanding and confusion as for the use of this name. If to speak about those you mentionned, they just finished training and as I understood it was quite good. Not sure whether it concerns all units or just some of them, but good. It's also necesary to take into account their moral superiority over mercenaries because most of them are volunteers which joined NG to defend their country. Naturally they are missing some real life experience, but no doubts they will quickly acquire it.
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Since everyone is saying Russia is about to make a move, I'll once again say Friday afternoon when markets close!

iwish
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DL Keep an eye on Syria $ Israel especially around the golan heights,intel sugests big things about to go down
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Uncle intel?
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Since everyone is saying Russia is about to make a move, I'll once again say Friday afternoon when markets close!

iwish
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I still think Autumn or after next weeks D-day anniversary but who knows this is fast moving
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Islamic Arabs own and control 23 countries in the middle east... Why do they want Israel? Think about it? I'm not happy with Israel but not because of what you mention but because they deny Jesus and their own Prophets like the book of Jeremiah says..

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But the chemical attack was a false flag committed by the rebels..

[link to www.lrb.co.uk]
 Quoting: firinne


and what about the thousands of attacks against Israel and Iran/syria's constant state of war against the west..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58606051


Isreal in my view is guilty of ethnic cleansing on a grand scale, the creation of Isreal is the root cause of all the unrest across the middle east..

For every action there is a reaction....
 Quoting: firinne


Islamic Arabs own and control 22 countries in the middle east... Why do they want Israel? Think about it? I'm not happy with Israel but not because of what you mention but because they deny Jesus and their own Prophets like the book of Jeremiah says..

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58606051


Man....These religious nutjobs are going to provoke WW3, you cant expell the entire population of a country because you believe god told you to do so, and expect no reaction from indiginous population, or their co-religionists.
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