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we have a map today? please share!

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Not yet afaik...
“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
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Wir sind ne Scheiß US Kolonie ohne Friedensvertag..

ohne gesamtdeutsche VERFASSUNG...

"da gibts nix auzusteigen von!"

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 Quoting: OTTO VON BISMARCK


Richtig
 Quoting: Weltenbrand


Ein NATO Ausstieg wäre für die BRD weit katastrophaler als ein Verbleib.
Daher NATO VOR NOCH EIN TOR!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67546844


Was bist du doch für eine "dreckige NUTTE"..

ach warte, du bist so ein Ukrainischer Tourist bei uns zu Besuch? Klaro... am Besten du gehst nach Hause, oder gleich in die USA. Dich können wir entbehren.
 Quoting: OTTO VON BISMARCK


Wir könne ja versuchen auszusteigen.
Leider sterben wir alle kurz drauf.
Also da leb ich lieber no ein bisschen.
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we have a map today? please share!

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Not yet afaik...
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ty I am waiting for it, ty in advance when posted too
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those are Gvozdikas 2.0?
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 Quoting: Blueyez:


those are Gvozdikas 2.0?
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Pios maybe.
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Russia24 TV trolling...

Weather forecast on Debaltsevo:

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I didn't understand a single world. Maybe with subs it could go viral.
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Weather forecast for Debaltseve:

Cold, snow, freezing fog and smoke.
100% chance of precipitation in the form of shells and shrapnel possible.

Thunderstorms of grad fire also likely.
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hf
The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is).
No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it:
Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms.
It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people.
That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”.
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#Belarus: #Minsk passes law defining any violation of sovereignty, by "volunteer" force or not, as act of war
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Nato is said to have concentrated entire brigade at belarus border.
Belarus calling up reserves.
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Misk is next.

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Richtig
 Quoting: Weltenbrand


Ein NATO Ausstieg wäre für die BRD weit katastrophaler als ein Verbleib.
Daher NATO VOR NOCH EIN TOR!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67546844


Was bist du doch für eine "dreckige NUTTE"..

ach warte, du bist so ein Ukrainischer Tourist bei uns zu Besuch? Klaro... am Besten du gehst nach Hause, oder gleich in die USA. Dich können wir entbehren.
 Quoting: OTTO VON BISMARCK


Wir könne ja versuchen auszusteigen.
Leider sterben wir alle kurz drauf.
Also da leb ich lieber no ein bisschen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67546844


Wie gesagt, erstens können wir aus nix "aussteigen", weil wir offiziell eine von den 3 verbliebenen Allierten kontrollierte Besatzungszone sind, die BRD also nur treuhändlerisch nach VORGABE verwaltet, und zweitens... das auch gar nicht Nötig ist.. genau betrachtet erledigt sich die NATO doch gerade selber - ziemlich egal ob Polen und die Baltischen Regierungen sich willentlich zu "billigen Fotzen" machen..

BUT I agree that we should resume to correspond in English.. plz. Google translate is a pain in the butt.

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 Quoting: Blueyez:


those are Gvozdikas 2.0?
 Quoting: Matjaz


Pios maybe.
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Looks to be 2S19 Msta...a 152 mm howitzer
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Would it help when people in West Ukraine see vids like this one?
 Quoting: Böze_Tante


Would it help the russians to see the conditions on the resort in Donetsk?

[link to osp-ua.info]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67533764


[liveleak] [link to www.liveleak.com]
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Well, this video is very sad indeed. Consequences of actions of western politics are just terrible. As I am merciless about neo-nazis, national extremists and similar filth I must to say that it is just disgusting how greedy hegemons can divide whole society in the name of their interests. Very hard to find right words for me as not native English speaker. It is something rotten, perverted in those beings who cynical brought their cookies to the place, where alredy was planned massmurder. It is the same pure evil what I can observe on some users of this forum. Mindless, psychopatic hatred what is very useful for those, who want to rule the world. Sick...
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


I'd say they are mindless. They don't understand that they will gain nothing from it. Even someone whose wealth is around 5 mio $ will be a poor bastard in this game. Those users you mentioned use Russia and Putin as a substitute because they are too afraid to face the real threat.
The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is).
No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it:
Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms.
It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people.
That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”.
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Ein NATO Ausstieg wäre für die BRD weit katastrophaler als ein Verbleib.
Daher NATO VOR NOCH EIN TOR!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67546844


Was bist du doch für eine "dreckige NUTTE"..

ach warte, du bist so ein Ukrainischer Tourist bei uns zu Besuch? Klaro... am Besten du gehst nach Hause, oder gleich in die USA. Dich können wir entbehren.
 Quoting: OTTO VON BISMARCK


Wir könne ja versuchen auszusteigen.
Leider sterben wir alle kurz drauf.
Also da leb ich lieber no ein bisschen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67546844


Wie gesagt, erstens können wir aus nix "aussteigen", weil wir offiziell eine von den 3 verbliebenen Allierten kontrollierte Besatzungszone sind, die BRD also nur treuhändlerisch nach VORGABE verwaltet, und zweitens... das auch gar nicht Nötig ist.. genaubetrachtet erledigt sich die NATO doch gerade selber - ziemlich egal ob Polen und die Baltischen Regierungen sich willentlich zu "billigen Fotzen" machen..

BUT I agree that we should resume to correspond in English.. plz. Google translate is a pain in the butt.
 Quoting: OTTO VON BISMARCK


This Conflict is wanted.
No one of us will change that.
All we can do is prepare for day x.
Me personally thinks europe will be engaged in war before august 2015.
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ukie blockpost near Uglegorsk
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Militia units during battle operations in the area of Uglegorsk. Some tanks disabled by mines:


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


When you spread too many lies, it becomes increasingly harder to keep the story straight!!
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 Quoting: Blueyez:


those are Gvozdikas 2.0?
 Quoting: Matjaz


Pios maybe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67546844


Looks to be 2S19 Msta...a 152 mm howitzer
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I looked up the stats

Rate of fire 6-8 rounds per minute
Maximum firing range Base bleed: 29km (18 mi)
RAP: 36 km (22 mi)

Now that has some nice reach!

Look out Ukrops!
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Gorlovka still shelled by Kiev forces.


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 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Militia units during battle operations in the area of Uglegorsk. Some tanks disabled by mines:


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


When you spread too many lies, it becomes increasingly harder to keep the story straight!!
 Quoting: KipKat


noway1

First photos are from Uglegorsk, proved by multiple reportages. Second are from outskirts of the town. Sto shillin' ostrich.

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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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for kiev junta to agree to wage war on behalf of washington with the stipulation that they can never receive any air support whatsoever is treason of the highest order.

this is butchery and masochism
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 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Militia units during battle operations in the area of Uglegorsk. Some tanks disabled by mines:


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


When you spread too many lies, it becomes increasingly harder to keep the story straight!!
 Quoting: KipKat


noway1

First photos are from Uglegorsk, proved by multiple reportages. Second are from outskirts of the town. Sto shillin' ostrich.
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The last picture shows the same tanks shown in the video! So are they rebel or ukr? They can't be both!
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This Conflict is wanted.
No one of us will change that.
All we can do is prepare for day x.
Me personally thinks europe will be engaged in war before august 2015.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67546844


Yes the current automat machinations are put in place, but here is the big error NATO and the USA are making... While they experience a tough time with their military draft in Ukraine itself.. They will NEVER ever be able to mobilze the amount of soldiers needed to actually put something together that even looks anything close to a "serious military offense force" to be send to the "OSTFRONT"..

It's not gonna happen, simply because the Germans will not be made to pick up arms to march against Russia.. neither will the French! Say what! They learned from history, the US has none in this respect.. woe! you poor foolish yankees!

The US isn't ever going to be able to win a war against Russia, not even if they would try going it all by themselves with some Baltic and Polish lunatics..

Not saying this war can't or wont spread also into EU, but... that really would be more due to collapse of central governance and the spread of local Anarchy thereafter, same is true for the USA. They won't have time to conquer Russia while trying to maintain stability within.

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 Quoting: Blueyez:


those are Gvozdikas 2.0?
 Quoting: Matjaz


Pios maybe.
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Looks to be 2S19 Msta...a 152 mm howitzer
 Quoting: PIR


You are right, 30km range. Soon we'll see shells falling on Kramatorsk airport. Ukies got hind choppers stationed there, what they got left.
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for kiev junta to agree to wage war on behalf of washington with the stipulation that they can never receive any air support whatsoever is treason of the highest order.

this is butchery and masochism
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u still think the US/EU cabal cares about Ukraine? Nope the more ukies die the merrier they are...
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 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Militia units during battle operations in the area of Uglegorsk. Some tanks disabled by mines:


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


When you spread too many lies, it becomes increasingly harder to keep the story straight!!
 Quoting: KipKat


noway1

First photos are from Uglegorsk, proved by multiple reportages. Second are from outskirts of the town. Sto shillin' ostrich.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


The last picture shows the same tanks shown in the video! So are they rebel or ukr? They can't be both!
 Quoting: KipKat


Also the cammeraman operator says that some of those tanks were captured from Kiev forces if I understand right. Tanks with "skull" (No. 415) has the same "skull" as this one in the video, what is also marked as captured (1:40). You = fail.


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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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This Conflict is wanted.
No one of us will change that.
All we can do is prepare for day x.
Me personally thinks europe will be engaged in war before august 2015.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67546844


Yes the current :automat: machinations are put in place, but here is the big error NATO and the USA are making... While they experience a tough time with their military draft in Ukraine itself.. They will NEVER ever be able to mobilze the amount of soldiers needed to actually put something together that even looks anything close to anything of a "serious military offense force" to be send to the "OSTFRONT"..

It's not gonna happen, simply because the Germans will not be made to pick up arms to march against Russia.. neither will the French!

The US isn't ever going to be able to win a war against Russia, not even if they would try going it all by themselves with some Baltic and Polish lunatics..

Not saying this war can't or wont spread also into EU, but... that really would be more due to collapse of central governance and the spread of local Anarchy thereafter, same is true for the USA. They won't have time to conquer Russia while trying to maintain stability within.
 Quoting: OTTO VON BISMARCK


The main goal is not to win against russia.
The main goal ist to avoid alliances between th EU and russia.
No matter who wins or looses.
If russia aproacher Rhein(the true NATO border towards teh east) 500k us troops will drop in in no time to block em from british and french bases.

No one wnats to take russia down.
What they want is to coantain and weaken russia.
Slowly, painfully and costly

YOu really think they giave a dime for people in europe dying as long as it serves their strategic cause?

Ermh.
NO!

This is all about containment and exploiting weak spots of both rhe EU and BRICS.

Nobody will change that.
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for kiev junta to agree to wage war on behalf of washington with the stipulation that they can never receive any air support whatsoever is treason of the highest order.

this is butchery and masochism
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Air support is useless.

They are not fighting rag tag goat herders here.

The NAF have Igla-S and Verbas (Willows)

Not only can they take out any and all helicopters and fighter jets like the F-16 the Verba can even take out drones and cruise missiles.

Anything in the air in Ukraine is in danger.

So no air support will be seen.





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