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User ID: 58276109 Sweden 06/27/2014 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Epic win: from 30 June to 6 July events held International Forum of LGBT festival "KyyivPrayd2014" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57133195 It is a sign! Conchita has pledged visit! "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
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User ID: 58276109 Sweden 06/27/2014 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 RT ‏@RT_com 2 min RAW: Russian paratroopers hold massive military drill in Chelyabinsk. "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
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User ID: 27935715 Australia 06/27/2014 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 the invasion of Crimea started soon after olympic games, and now the world cup is over for russian team so...just saying Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9827179 what invasion? Kissinger: One has to ask oneself this question: He spent $60 billion on the Olympics. They had opening and closing ceremonies, trying to show Russia as a normal progressive state. So it isn't possible that he, three days later, would voluntarily start an assault on Ukraine. [link to globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com] You know, the one involving green men.. Last Edited by Tpotleoz on 06/27/2014 01:50 PM Eat the Reds |
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User ID: 27935715 Australia 06/27/2014 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: FormerlyBritish Correct. Thank you. It is the brutal put down of the people who held a referendum and voted for independence that justifies Russian aggression. That illegal referendum was rigged and completely invalid. Even assuming that is correct, nonetheless the referendums were held, the people voted for independence, they are being brutally put down to prevent independence, and for those reasons military aggression, even military warfare really is justified. But the earlier posts were correct, that Ukraine is being looted by the West is not, of itself, justification for aggression. What difference really, it was already being looted by its own people! That is comparable to if Mexicans immigrated in mass to California, then decided to hold a referendum to if California wants to become a part of Mexico, declare the result of the referendum whatever then want to declare it, and then declare that they are now living in a California People's Republic, soon to be annexed by Mexico. Who sanctioned this referendum? No official authority, this referendum was a joke and completely invalid. The Putin sluts never have an answer to that one... Eat the Reds |
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User ID: 27935715 Australia 06/27/2014 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Kissinger: One has to ask oneself this question: He spent $60 billion on the Olympics. They had opening and closing ceremonies, trying to show Russia as a normal progressive state. So it isn't possible that he, three days later, would voluntarily start an assault on Ukraine. Quoting: RTS REDUX [link to globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com] Yes, Kissinger's view is that Putin thinks he's a tsar. Here is Kissinger's opinion, from the article: --- "I think at all times he [Putin] wanted Ukraine in a subordinate position." ... “I think one has to interpret Putin not Hitler-like, as he has been, but as a Russian czar who is trying to achieve the maximum for his country,” Kissinger says. “Usually, those methods are excessive and we are correct in standing up to it." --- An even longer look at history indicates that Putin, just like Stalin and the tsars, thinks of himself as the successor to Genghis Khan's Mongol empire. [link to en.wikipedia.org] --- More important to the development of the state of Moscow, however, was its rule by a series of princes who collaborated with the Mongols. --- collaborated to the detriment of Kiev Eat the Reds |
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User ID: 55803746 United States 06/27/2014 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Who sanctioned this referendum? No official authority, this referendum was a joke and completely invalid. Quoting: Skizy The Putin sluts never have an answer to that one... I'm not sure whom you mean by Putin sluts, certainly not me, but I can answer about the referendums. The referendums (Crimea, Lugansk, Donetsk) were sanctioned and authorised by the various bodies that held them. Much the same has been true of all referendums since time immemorial. |
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User ID: 59689185 Estonia 06/27/2014 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Who sanctioned this referendum? No official authority, this referendum was a joke and completely invalid. Quoting: Skizy The Putin sluts never have an answer to that one... I'm not sure whom you mean by Putin sluts, certainly not me, but I can answer about the referendums. The referendums (Crimea, Lugansk, Donetsk) were sanctioned and authorised by the various bodies that held them. Much the same has been true of all referendums since time immemorial. A referendum certainly would need to be somehow authorized by the federal government, or else it is unconstitutional and therefor illegal. Also referendums and elections in general usually have neutral observers to limit the risk of fraud. OSCE declared the Crimea referendum as unconstitutional and did not send observers. |
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User ID: 27935715 Australia 06/27/2014 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Who sanctioned this referendum? No official authority, this referendum was a joke and completely invalid. Quoting: Skizy The Putin sluts never have an answer to that one... I'm not sure whom you mean by Putin sluts, certainly not me, but I can answer about the referendums. The referendums (Crimea, Lugansk, Donetsk) were sanctioned and authorised by the various bodies that held them. Much the same has been true of all referendums since time immemorial. was actually referring to the California analogy. So if mexicans sanction a referendum in California, that is all good? bring it on... i should let them know they have so many supporters from the US on the Ukraine thread @ GLP Eat the Reds |
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User ID: 22992427 Czechia 06/27/2014 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 DRUDGE REPORT ‏@DRUDGE_REPORT 4 hod. MEXICAN MILITARY CHOPPER CROSSES INTO USA, FIRES AT BORDER AGENTS [link to drudge.tw] Mexico invades USA!!! “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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User ID: 27935715 Australia 06/27/2014 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The conversion of Ukraine and tensions between East and West In 988 Prince Volodymyr the Great established Christianity in its Byzantine-Slavic rite as the national religion of his country, Kievan-Rus. This happened before the Great Church Schism of 1054 divided Christian East from West. The Kievan Church inherited the traditions of the Byzantine East and was part of the Patriarchate of Constantinople. Yet this Church also remained in full communion with the Latin West and its patriarch, the Pope of Rome. Though Constantinople and Rome had their disputes, the Kievan hierarchy tried to work for Christian unity. Representatives from Rus participated in the Western Councils of Lyon (1245) and Constance (1418). Isidore, the Metropolitan of Kiev, was himself one of the creators of the Union of Florence (1439). While the Kievan metropolia was working towards reunion, a new metropolia arose north of Kiev, in Moscow. The Church of Moscow refused to accept the Union of Florence and separated from the ancient metropolia in Kiev, announcing its autocephaly (self-governing status) in 1448. In 1589, with Greek Orthodoxy and Constantinople subject to Turkish domination, the Church of Moscow became a patriarchate. Union with Rome and East/West divisions in Ukraine The Kievan Church was challenged by the Protestant Reformation and the renewed Catholicism of that period and was also suffering a serious internal crisis. The Synod decided to pass under the jurisdiction of the see of Rome, re-establishing full communion of the Church in Ukraine with the Successor of Peter in 1595. The traditional Eastern rite of the Kievan Church was preserved and its ethnic, cultural and ecclesial existence was guaranteed, This was confirmed at the Council of Brest in 1596, which is the beginning of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church as an institution. Some hierarchs and faithful of the Kievan Church, however, insisted on remaining under the jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Constantinople. Torn by internal division, the Central and Eastern sections of Ukraine passed under the control of the ruler of Moscow in 1654. Soon the Orthodox Kievan Metropolia was under the authority of the Moscow Patriarchate (1696). As the Tsarist Empire grew, it repressed the Greek Catholics and forced "conversions" to Russian Orthodoxy (1772, 1795, 1839, 1876). The Pratulin Martyrs died as a result of these repressions. Orthodox clergy and laity in Ukraine were dissatisfied with the close connections of the Russian Orthodox Church with Russian national interests. "Ukrainophile" movements began and after the Russian Revolution in 1917 a movement began to gain autocephalous status for Ukrainian Orthodoxy. Attempts to proclaim autocephaly in the 1920s and 1940s were, however, repressed by the Soviet powers. All of Ukraine had been part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth at the time of the Council of Brest, and western Ukraine remained so. The Church played a leading role in preserving the cultural and religious independence of the Ukrainian population there. As the Western Ukrainian lands later passed into Austrian control, the imperial government of the Hapsburgs supported and protected the Greek Catholic hierarchy. [link to www.ewtn.com] Eat the Reds |
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User ID: 55803746 United States 06/27/2014 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 A referendum certainly would need to be somehow authorized by the federal government, or else it is unconstitutional and therefor illegal. Also referendums and elections in general usually have neutral observers to limit the risk of fraud. Quoting: Skizy OSCE declared the Crimea referendum as unconstitutional and did not send observers. The OSCE were invited to send observers but having already made up their minds and being prescient they felt it wasn't necessary to actually go there so they could write about what happened from a position of ignorance of the facts. Certainly in the USA a referendum along the lines of that used in Crimea would be either illegal nor unconstitutional, though it likely would be non-binding. As a matter of fact exactly such a referendum is likely to take place in California and could result in the creation of the State of Jefferson. See [link to www.sos.ca.gov] 1648. (13-0063) Quoting: State of CaliforniaDivision of California into Six States. Initiative Statutory and Constitutional Amendment. Summary Date: 02/18/14 | Circulation Deadline: 07/18/14 | Signatures Required: 807,615 Tim Draper (650) 233-9000 Divides California into six states subject to approval by Congress. Assigns each county to a new state, unless county voters approve reassignment to different new state and second state approves. Establishes commission to settle California's financial affairs after division; upon failure to resolve, each new state would retain assets within its boundaries and would receive proportionate distribution of California's debts based on population. Authorizes counties to refuse to provide State-mandated programs and services absent sufficient State reimbursement. Empowers counties to make and enforce all laws governing local affairs. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: If the federal government approves the proposed creation of six new states, all tax collections and spending by the existing State of California would end, with its assets and liabilities divided among the new states. Decisions by appointed commissioners and elected leaders would determine how taxes, public spending, and other public policies would change for the new states and their local governments. (13-0063.) Texas is the only State in the USA that has a right to divide itself into (up to four) States without approval of the Federal government. This an artifact of how Texas became a State in the first place. |
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User ID: 27935715 Australia 06/27/2014 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 DRUDGE REPORT ‏@DRUDGE_REPORT 4 hod. Quoting: KneelB4Zod! MEXICAN MILITARY CHOPPER CROSSES INTO USA, FIRES AT BORDER AGENTS [link to drudge.tw] Mexico invades USA!!! I take it they were protecting the legitimate rights of ethnic Mexicans. Hint to FSB/RT.com: next target for your psyops Last Edited by Tpotleoz on 06/27/2014 02:50 PM Eat the Reds |
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