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Anonymous Coward User ID: 57312218 Germany 04/25/2014 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I'm calling for a DOOMcon forecast of 6 over the next 7 hours. After the DOOMcon 6 expires I call for a lower DOOMcon of 2 for the remainder of the weekend. Stay vigilant! Quoting: < DL > Haha i love your trash talk, always sounds like you are someone who knows more then others, some kind of expert..thats cool it's GLP! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 57324231 Croatia 04/25/2014 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I mean no disrespect to anyone who lives or is from Ukraine, but their country was sold to the highest bidder Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55875488 as was yours My, too There is an auction for countries? Where does it happen and who is the auctioneer? Is is ballot related? A voting initiative? It happens in The Club. You are not member of The Club. Neither am I. :( |
Montclair de Rallo-Tubbs User ID: 57319983 Germany 04/25/2014 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Kiev is refusing to pay gas debt because they disagree with the original price. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55875488 That is the stated reason. But the real reason is that they have no money and couldn't pay even a small fraction if they wanted to. No money at all. Zip. US, EU and IMF promises of money were all empty promises. No money has arrived so far, none. Well maybe USD50Million, a drop in the proverbial bucket against a need of perhaps 1000 times that amount of money. They did have USD1.5billion in gold bullion when the Junta came to power but it was looted and the metal now sits in Germany. They are not paying and they have no money. You can if you like argue that the reason for not paying is something else. But it's a bit academic. Also in terms of exchanges, it is all about promise and delivery, and only special players get to make big promises and big deliveries. But, gas is not like potato, either. Basically, control the Ukraine and control the energy flow into Europe (in theory). EU and mostly German interests wished to control it directly, and negotiate in stead of the East and South European countries, via their own oligarchs there. However, there is are also plans by others in the UK, USA and Canada to either directly escalate this into a war with Russia or at least turn the country into a failed states from which terror attacks can be launched on others. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44076807 United Kingdom 04/25/2014 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I mean no disrespect to anyone who lives or is from Ukraine, but their country was sold to the highest bidder Yes it was and the poor idiots didn't even know it. This American loves Ukraine people. Lovely people. Indeed both Nazi and Soviet see Ukraine like female they wish to woo, because, there is much to like. I think Ukraine and Poland know they are in the middle, long times sufferings and history of war. Better to talk, calmly and slowly. Indeed, it is more of a language/culture/alphabet war than anything else, right? So, how to un-Nimrod the world? Well, speaking in terms of Noah and all that. ;) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57325575 Ireland 04/25/2014 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Been arguing about this in the UK - they're all pro the West and blame Putin for everything. Latest reply to me: Quoting: Tess2012 "Sorry, but Russia is a bit hypocritical on that front with its views for the west not to get involved in Syria. Putin is playing a very dangerous game, he knows he cannot compete with America, not financially, economically, over resources and military, all he has is a last gamble of Nukes, which I am sure America has contingency plans to strike that out of the equation too. He is pushing his luck" So, can Russia compete with America? America has pathetically degenerated socially, politically, and economically such that it is the American leadership that will make it impossible for us to win in any kind of conflict against any kind of enemy, regardless of our material assets (and our troops are great people, don't get me wrong, but fish stink at the head). If this was the America of at least 10 or 20 years ago, different matter. Now, America is fucked. Posted your reply over there, got this: Sorry Tess, you are talking nonsense, the American oil reserve dwarfs the Russians and they are even playing the idea to piss off Putin, that is how much they are that bothered about it and America is not fucked, you actually offer nothing to support your reasoning accept opinion. American technology compared to the Russians is like a tank against the bow and arrow and no the new Russian fighters are crap compared to the new state of the art aircraft the yanks have, the F-15 is old and you are out of date on the technology, and weapons capabilities, where as most of Russians is obsolete. The yanks could take out all the Russian system in one air and missle strike, they also have far advanced defense systems, so I suggest you read up further, not forgetting what the EU can also bring to the table |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57264912 United Kingdom 04/25/2014 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I have the impression the EU wants Russia to cut the gas off so they can then reverse flow the pipelines.. given that they are gazprom pipelines it makes for an interesting situation, push Russia to cut off the gas then the EU can reverse flow the pipes as part of a humanitarian effort, the EU have already set up the reverse flow in Slovakia, but that can't happen without making the changes in Ukraine, although their PM was worried they won't get paid.. Back in 2013... [link to www.euractiv.com] yes even if technically possible they still would have to pay market price of 500+usd, only germany has a special deal of 280usd Ah but taking control of the pipelines means the EU has control of the flow in any direction, the nitty gritty part is that once they have control the contract and EU law would allow the flow into Germany to be sent where ever in that network, right now Russia controls parts of the network that make it impossible.. if the EU gets control legaly they can send that gas where ever they like. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 57264912 United Kingdom 04/25/2014 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57264912 I have the impression the EU wants Russia to cut the gas off so they can then reverse flow the pipelines.. given that they are gazprom pipelines it makes for an interesting situation, push Russia to cut off the gas then the EU can reverse flow the pipes as part of a humanitarian effort, the EU have already set up the reverse flow in Slovakia, but that can't happen without making the changes in Ukraine, although their PM was worried they won't get paid.. Back in 2013... [link to www.euractiv.com] yes even if technically possible they still would have to pay market price of 500+usd, only germany has a special deal of 280usd Ah but taking control of the pipelines means the EU has control of the flow in any direction, the nitty gritty part is that once they have control the contract and EU law would allow the flow into Germany to be sent where ever in that network, right now Russia controls parts of the network that make it impossible.. if the EU gets control legaly they can send that gas where ever they like. so basically Germany would buy the gas at half market price and distribute it to all of the EU. Not going to happen, Gazprom will set a market price for Germany too then. Not if it is already in the contract and if it falls within EU law... while I really don't think that would happen, they can within the contract and it would be within the law. As an aside, it is about controls the flow of gas though.. and Ukraine is the linchpin to achieving that, how the Russian and Gazprom react is a whole other kettle of fish :) |
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User ID: 56760006 Australia 04/25/2014 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57303900 You bet, it's the Bolsheviks and Reds coming yet again. And people still think the Russians were behind all this, if they don't all wake up soon to reality we are all toast. agreed tables have turned Actually they were always like that, what was done to Russia was done by the enemies of Russia, why else did they let millions starve to death. It's just they play a good game of deception. Many just won't figure it out til its too late again. yes indeed it's a long topic anyway I'm not an expert but I know that the Romanovs were a pain in the ass to a certain elite and what ensued was a lost century for Russia. And maybe it was the plan all along to create a massive war, how else would 2 guys like Stalin and Hitler emerge at the same time all of a sudden to destroy each other for the profit of the financiers. A bit strange for it to be a simple coincidence Last Edited by Tpotleoz on 04/25/2014 02:27 PM Eat the Reds |
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User ID: 11619293 United States 04/25/2014 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I'm calling for a DOOMcon forecast of 6 over the next 7 hours. After the DOOMcon 6 expires I call for a lower DOOMcon of 2 for the remainder of the weekend. Stay vigilant! Quoting: < DL > Haha i love your trash talk, always sounds like you are someone who knows more then others, some kind of expert..thats cool it's GLP! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55875488 United States 04/25/2014 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Kiev is refusing to pay gas debt because they disagree with the original price. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55875488 That is the stated reason. But the real reason is that they have no money and couldn't pay even a small fraction if they wanted to. No money at all. Zip. US, EU and IMF promises of money were all empty promises. No money has arrived so far, none. Well maybe USD50Million, a drop in the proverbial bucket against a need of perhaps 1000 times that amount of money. They did have USD1.5billion in gold bullion when the Junta came to power but it was looted and the metal now sits in Germany. They are not paying and they have no money. You can if you like argue that the reason for not paying is something else. But it's a bit academic. No argument here was just restating what Kiev claims its motive to be. You are spot on about them being broke. Makes me wonder if the only reason for the IMF loan is to fund the fighting and NOT to help the debts |
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User ID: 11619293 United States 04/25/2014 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Sangwon Yoon‏@sangwonyoon·24 secs #Ukraine has information that it's in danger of #Russian invasion, demands @KremlinRussia to explain troops on border: Deputy FM Lubkivsky |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44076807 United Kingdom 04/25/2014 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Even Minister of Finance for Nazi regime didn't think until the last minute WW2 would kick off. 1 mil bbl of oil and fabulous trade between Russia and Germany and then BOOM, the agreements were tossed out, and essentially, Germany and Russia, played by Pius 12 and his Jesuit confessor, would send so many millions to their cold graves. A true crime against such a great continent. Business is fine, but WAR makes family-lines, hehe. |
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User ID: 57191761 United Kingdom 04/25/2014 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 IM none the wiser lol. Ukraine currently still getting gas from Russia who's threatening to turn it off due to non-payment. Current Russian gas supplied to europe goes through Ukraine? Ok so europe can reverse feed into Ukraine..where does that come from (norway)? Does Russia have alternative pipes to ship to Europe if this crisis gets any worse? Anti-Zionism NOT Antisemitism |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47938575 United States 04/25/2014 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Terrorists in Slovyansk took OSCE monitors hostage, placed them in SBU office that serves as separatists' hostage headquarters. These actions are being controlled directly from the Kremlin, as we've seen when Ostowsky was released and the self-proclaimed mayor who is supposed to be in charge didnt even know it yet in an interview after the fact. The Russian mil and intel in Sloviansk is calling the shots there, not any locals. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States 04/25/2014 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I'm calling for a DOOMcon forecast of 6 over the next 7 hours. After the DOOMcon 6 expires I call for a lower DOOMcon of 2 for the remainder of the weekend. Stay vigilant! Quoting: < DL > Haha i love your trash talk, always sounds like you are someone who knows more then others, some kind of expert..thats cool it's GLP! No he is now expect but he did sleep at a holiday Inn. Hi DL. so that qualifies DL to Be a 5 Start GPL GENERAL OF DOOM |
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User ID: 11619293 United States 04/25/2014 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine Reporter‏@StateOfUkraine·23 mins Residents of #Sloviansk #Ukraine are shocked that pro-#Kremlin forces beat up local children taking pictures of them [link to obozrevatel.com] … Most likely prop, but link looks legit |
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User ID: 11619293 United States 04/25/2014 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine Reporter‏@StateOfUkraine·23 mins Quoting: < DL > Residents of #Sloviansk #Ukraine are shocked that pro-#Kremlin forces beat up local children taking pictures of them [link to obozrevatel.com] … Most likely prop, but link looks legit Euromaidan PR‏@EuromaidanPR·2 mins Pro-#Russia separatists beat children in #Slovyansk for taking pics of them on one of the checkpoints they were at [link to espreso.tv] … |
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User ID: 11619293 United States 04/25/2014 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I'm calling for a DOOMcon forecast of 6 over the next 7 hours. After the DOOMcon 6 expires I call for a lower DOOMcon of 2 for the remainder of the weekend. Stay vigilant! Quoting: < DL > Haha i love your trash talk, always sounds like you are someone who knows more then others, some kind of expert..thats cool it's GLP! No he is now expect but he did sleep at a holiday Inn. Hi DL. so that qualifies DL to Be a 5 Start GPL GENERAL OF DOOM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47938575 United States 04/25/2014 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine Reporter‏@StateOfUkraine·23 mins Quoting: < DL > Residents of #Sloviansk #Ukraine are shocked that pro-#Kremlin forces beat up local children taking pictures of them [link to obozrevatel.com] … Most likely prop, but link looks legit Euromaidan PR‏@EuromaidanPR·2 mins Pro-#Russia separatists beat children in #Slovyansk for taking pics of them on one of the checkpoints they were at [link to espreso.tv] … A 16 yr old was beaten to death and another seriously injured for speaking Ukrainian in Crimea. Multiple news stories can be found by doing twitter search for ' crimea 16 killed ' |
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