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It seems the fresh Ukr. army forces that passed #Mariupol enroute to #Donetsk came from #Melitopol. or #Kherson. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] …
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If the bullshit shill/troll reports continue the reporter will be banned. You have been warned...
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It seems the fresh Ukr. army forces that passed #Mariupol enroute to #Donetsk came from #Melitopol. or #Kherson.
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They wouldn't need to even do sanctions. The entirety of Europe would walk away from Russian gas in favor of US gas. ...
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Not possible. There is no US gas in Europe and there won't be for at very least three years, and probably never.
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Yes, I agree. It's laughable that folks actually think LNG shipped across the Atlantic is somehow going to fix europe gas issue. No tankers, would need a huge fleet, and would need the receiving facilities in Europe to receive and convert to gas form again. Then, you need the pipeline infrastructure. And then of course it has to all be economically viable. And does the USA REALLY have extra gas for Europe? Are you sure?????
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Gleb Bazov ‏@gbazov 18 min.
#FLASH - Powerful Video via @sashakots - #Slavyansk to #Nazi #Kiev #Juna - WE WILL NOT LEAVE OUR CITY! NO PASARAN!
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(under the line - don't forget that Kiev says there are almost no civilians)
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Oh they'll leave. They will be parallel to the ground, but they will leave.
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Very classy. You see people? They threaten civilians to leave Slavyansk in parallel position. Kids, women in this video. Thats what we are talking about whole time. Bloodthirsty savages...
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My guess is that it's Separatists/Mercenaries/Self Defense forces trying to troll the Ukrainians to fire back, so they can scream that "TEH UKRAINIAN NAZI JUNTA IS FYRING INTO RUSSIA!!" in order to push Russia into intervening in Ukraine.
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Friendly recommendations - stop reading Tymchuk's reports...
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Only your guesses are valid. I understand.
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No you dont, stop pretending to have abrain or a heart for that matter.
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Correct observation. A Kiev Nazi with a black heart.
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Russia will wait until stupid ones (aka ukristan junta) will totally exhaust and embarrass themselves and then will strike. Couple of days and they will capitulate. What is your opinion guys?
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As expected.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57271883


is this conflict going to go bad in 24-72 hours. ?

truthful answers non of the pro-con shrill troll nonsense

bullshit on who's dick is bigger.
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If Putin launches a full-scale invasion into Ukraine the American government will impose crippling sanctions, stage 4 and sectoral sanctions. These would drop the hammer on Putin's already fragile economy. Their would be no lag time for these, it would be felt the following day when markets open.
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They wouldn't need to even do sanctions. The entirety of Europe would walk away from Russian gas in favor of US gas. Russian invasion of Ukraine would literally make it so Russia could and would never sell another ounce of gas or oil to Europe for decades if not longer. This would have more impact that sanctions.
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europe never buy us gas . if needed but n. africa gas. in a way or other... us must not trust so in europe friendship . remember that us spy all comunication . gpt year.. and us will pay for thiss.. in same was..

us have more enemy than u think..
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Aren't I the popular one today. A bunch of random ACs come out of nowhere to attack me. I feel special.
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First of all I did both posts, and remember what I posted. It takes a simple search within the thread to find them. Secondly, the "wall of text" consists of a little over two paragraphs.

Instead of debating the validity of what I said, you resorted to ad hominems, which is VERY typical of almost all of the pro-Kiev/pro-NWO posters.

go figure
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Wikipedia shows the s-400 speed is Mach 4.8. ROFL at Mach 12.
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google this: Russian S-300 WORLDS FASTEST Anti Air missile 14,000 KM PER HOUR (MACH 12)

I tried to post that video but a different one appeared when I previewed the post.

start there not Wikipedia, which is hardly credible esp. when researching a topic like that
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Israeli fighter planes bombarded S-300 missile launchers in the Syrian port city of Latakia without any problem on January 2014 with F-16 jets.chuckle
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f-16 dont bombard nothing.. this was happened only in your fantasy :D
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Aren't I the popular one today. A bunch of random ACs come out of nowhere to attack me. I feel special.
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They're Putinbots. They find you threatening. If they find out you have real and meaningful ties to Ukraine, you will be attacked immediately. These ties give you credibility, something the Putinschills are terrified of.
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Wikipedia shows the s-400 speed is Mach 4.8. ROFL at Mach 12.
 Quoting: The Årtist


google this: Russian S-300 WORLDS FASTEST Anti Air missile 14,000 KM PER HOUR (MACH 12)

I tried to post that video but a different one appeared when I previewed the post.

start there not Wikipedia, which is hardly credible esp. when researching a topic like that
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

Israeli fighter planes bombarded S-300 missile launchers in the Syrian port city of Latakia without any problem on January 2014 with F-16 jets.chuckle
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f-16 dont bombard nothing.. this was happened only in your fantasy :D
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Wrong. Israeli's hit and destroyed them. They weren't operational yet, and is the difference.
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Aren't I the popular one today. A bunch of random ACs come out of nowhere to attack me. I feel special.
 Quoting: hIndsIght2020

They're Putinbots. They find you threatening. If they find out you have real and meaningful ties to Ukraine, you will be attacked immediately. These ties give you credibility, something the Putinschills are terrified of.
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I think Putin is a piece of shit commie but that is my opinion. That doesn't make me a shill or a troll. I am tired of the reporting of shill/troll just because someone disagrees with your point of view. It is getting very old...
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Aren't I the popular one today. A bunch of random ACs come out of nowhere to attack me. I feel special.
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Ofcourse you feel. That's the reason why you wrote about it...
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There he is! Hey, why not mention the Trillion dollar f-35 lightning failures. Hell we spend more than every other nation combined on defense. Do you think the ruskies would ever confront the US directly? We can still scramble our old F-15s to control airspace. The things we hear about in the news are not even the tip of the iceberg. Kinetic weapons in space, cyber, etc. One misstep and the entire world goes up in flames. Never happen, and that's a good thing, Vlad Jr.
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you must have overlooked this post from yesterday huh?

$40-BILLION MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM PROVES UNRELIABLE

(snip)The Ground-based Midcourse Defense system, or GMD, was supposed to protect Americans against a chilling new threat from "rogue states" such as North Korea and Iran. But a decade after it was declared operational, and after $40 billion in spending, the missile shield cannot be relied on, even in carefully scripted tests that are much less challenging than an actual attack would be, a Los Angeles Times investigation has found.

The Missile Defense Agency has conducted 16 tests of the system's ability to intercept a mock enemy warhead. It has failed in eight of them, government records show.

Despite years of tinkering and vows to fix technical shortcomings, the system's performance has gotten worse, not better, since testing began in 1999. Of the eight tests held since GMD became operational in 2004, five have been failures. The last successful intercept was on Dec. 5, 2008. Another test is planned at Vandenberg, on the Santa Barbara County coast, later this month.

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and this post from 6/2?

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active surface to air missiles.

US

MIM-104 Patriot = Mach 5

ERAM (SM-6) = Mach 3.5

Russia

S-300 = Mach 12

S-400 = Mach 12

S-500 = Mach 14
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 Quoting: RTS REDUX

Lets see the sources for the MACH 12,12,14
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it's best to do your own research imo.

I spent about an hour or two on it and that's what I discovered.

Russians seem serious about that sort of stuff but it's only for defense, unlike US/NATO who I think tend to underestimate them, along with laughable "sources" such as Cracked.com and their sheep readers who believe them.
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I agree, I think the Russians have the most lethal A2/AD air systems on the planet. I just have different information on their terminal velocity. The other question is there seems to be some ambiguity about the number of S-400 battalions and where they are deployed. Up until very recently it was a known fact that the S-400s were assigned to the Ministry of Interior, Putin's regimes preservation force. So, until I see evidence that they have redeployed I'm skeptical.
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They wouldn't need to even do sanctions. The entirety of Europe would walk away from Russian gas in favor of US gas. ...
 Quoting: The Årtist

Not possible. There is no US gas in Europe and there won't be for at very least three years, and probably never.
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Yes, I agree. It's laughable that folks actually think LNG shipped across the Atlantic is somehow going to fix europe gas issue. No tankers, would need a huge fleet, and would need the receiving facilities in Europe to receive and convert to gas form again. Then, you need the pipeline infrastructure. And then of course it has to all be economically viable. And does the USA REALLY have extra gas for Europe? Are you sure?????
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We demolished the prior German subs and will do the same to the [insert names here] subs that try to fuck with US helping Europe, in the future, I bet.
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As expected.
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is this conflict going to go bad in 24-72 hours. ?

truthful answers non of the pro-con shrill troll nonsense

bullshit on who's dick is bigger.
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Hm, well, Putin pretty much told Poroshenko to back down. And the seperatists are there to stay for a while and i didn't think they'd stop fighting anyway. That is i don't think that they are in much of a position to attack anything, only to defend what they've still got.

In any case, the ATO will go on. It was foolhardy to think that a real cease fire would hold because Kiev is hardly in control of its entire army. One itchy trigger finger and the fight continues.

So how will Russia respond, anyones guess. But their recent buildup at the border shortly after they retreated from the border seems like a decision has been made to prepare. But a peacekeeping operation would be combined with a no fly zone and limit the ATO quite a bit. And i doubt Kiev would just take that punch sitting down, in some way they'll respond hoping for their new western allies to back them up, but ofcourse, they wont.
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100% on spot. ukristan is bankrupt. who is able at present with financial crisis deepening in all directions to support multiscale warfare, that's suicide. Only thing is more sanctions, crippling one will be implemented afterward.
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The Ukrainian army would be steamrolled in two days at the very least facing a modern army. If Russia invades from Crimea, near Rostov, and north of Kiev, they can punch straight through and pincer attack a demoralized, corrupt, exhausted and starving army. What the UA has presented in the eastern Ukraine is just barely able to regain ground from the seperatists while new fighters flow into an open border every day, despite claims to close it completely. Anyone with a brain knows that this is near impossible. As to how long Ukraine is able to finance an ongoing operation without rebellion growing in it's ranks, and there already are signs... Not for long.

Just what happens after Russia does decide to go in? Even these two regions are plenty of ground to cover. How long would you try and protect these citizens, months, years? What course of action must be taken should Kiev (and very likely will) retaliate? Depose Poroshenko? Install a new loyal government and split everything west from Kharkiv to Odessa? How do you deal with a western part that sees its country splitting up? Will it accept the outcome or resist, so then what, do you take Ukraine completely because they have no choice, at the risk of quelling a bloody civil unrest? (Hungary revolution 1956)

Okay, so that happened. Russia is hit by worsening relationships (and outrage) with NATO allies like Estonia, Lithuania, Poland and the rest of the western sphere of influence, etc. While having gained the "Novorossiya" region, he possibly risks losing grip over former Soviet states for decades to come.

But on the other hand, letting the fighting go on will decrease Putin's own popularity under enormous pressure (by ongoing calls from seperarist leaders, the media and the state Duma) to put an end to the conflict and secure the regions that want to live under Russia's flag or federalization/autonomy (Crimea style) with strong ties to Russia. The latter will likely never happen. At the least, being catapulted back into a cold war (if we arent already) is a given. Another long lasting split between east and west.

Both options leads to opening pandoras box. Because Putin strikes me as a person who is willing to drag the rest down with him should he fear to lose everything he build up over the years. Maybe he doesn't want to invade, but the situation there is steered toward the inevitable.

Finally, because China feels cornered by a USA policy to regard it as a growing economic/military adversary, these two superpowers will be, so to say, driven into eachothers arms... There is no denying that this has a potential for WW3. But the west has left me thinking it only picks out targets it knows it can defeat, and those it fought with have turned into a complete mess. Like ISIL, Libyan civil war... NATO will have to look hard to find political will to engage Russia openly beside sanctions. And i dont think they will.
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If Putin launches a full-scale invasion into Ukraine the American government will impose crippling sanctions, stage 4 and sectoral sanctions. These would drop the hammer on Putin's already fragile economy. Their would be no lag time for these, it would be felt the following day when markets open.
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But, whatever it is, they are going to do the same thing whether Russia launches an invasion or doesn't launch an invasion.

The only difference will be the rationale given for taking the action.

If the Soviet Union could survive Operation Barbarossa then Russia can survive this attack.
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Barbarossa and sectoral, stage 4 sanctions are not comparable.
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Now that RU reporters back in RU will they release new statement or let statement stand. [link to en.censor.net.ua] …
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Gleb Bazov ‏@gbazov 18 min.
#FLASH - Powerful Video via @sashakots - #Slavyansk to #Nazi #Kiev #Juna - WE WILL NOT LEAVE OUR CITY! NO PASARAN!
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(under the line - don't forget that Kiev says there are almost no civilians)
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Oh they'll leave. They will be parallel to the ground, but they will leave.
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Very classy. You see people? They threaten civilians to leave Slavyansk in parallel position. Kids, women in this video. Thats what we are talking about whole time. Bloodthirsty savages...
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and people like that are absolutely convinced that Pussy Riot holds the moral high ground over Putin because that's what their programming told them.

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If Putin launches a full-scale invasion into Ukraine the American government will impose crippling sanctions, stage 4 and sectoral sanctions. These would drop the hammer on Putin's already fragile economy. Their would be no lag time for these, it would be felt the following day when markets open.
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But, whatever it is, they are going to do the same thing whether Russia launches an invasion or doesn't launch an invasion.
The only difference will be the rationale given for taking the action.
If the Soviet Union could survive Operation Barbarossa then Russia can survive this attack.
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Barbarossa and sectoral, stage 4 sanctions are not comparable.
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I beg to respectfully differ on that.
There are strong parallels.
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Another video of unmarked tanks moving through #Mariupol suburbs. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] … I can only hope,they belong to the Ukr. Nat.Guard!
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Aren't I the popular one today. A bunch of random ACs come out of nowhere to attack me. I feel special.
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Ofcourse you feel. That's the reason why you wrote about it...
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Exactly. He's acting he doesn't care, but is reporting people who "attack" him so they get banned.
I'm the dutch guy from a few pages back and know for 100% sure he reported me. I don't mind, because I keep coming back, but it makes me smile he's such a sensitive guy. I still love him, so I forgive him for reporting me.

But it's time to get back ontopic.
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I agree, I think the Russians have the most lethal A2/AD air systems on the planet. I just have different information on their terminal velocity. The other question is there seems to be some ambiguity about the number of S-400 battalions and where they are deployed. Up until very recently it was a known fact that the S-400s were assigned to the Ministry of Interior, Putin's regimes preservation force. So, until I see evidence that they have redeployed I'm skeptical.

What are you talking about? S-400 are deployed all over Russia. They even sent 14 batteries to Crimea.

Now S-500 are the ones protecting the "regime" in Moscow ;)

Russian S-400 AIR DEFENCE heading to Russia - Ukraine ( Crimea ) border

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Aren't I the popular one today. A bunch of random ACs come out of nowhere to attack me. I feel special.
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Ofcourse you feel. That's the reason why you wrote about it...
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Exactly. He's acting he doesn't care, but is reporting people who "attack" him so they get banned.
I'm the dutch guy from a few pages back and know for 100% sure he reported me. I don't mind, because I keep coming back, but it makes me smile he's such a sensitive guy. I still love him, so I forgive him for reporting me.

But it's time to get back ontopic.
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As expected.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57271883


is this conflict going to go bad in 24-72 hours. ?

truthful answers non of the pro-con shrill troll nonsense

bullshit on who's dick is bigger.
 Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box

If Putin launches a full-scale invasion into Ukraine the American government will impose crippling sanctions, stage 4 and sectoral sanctions. These would drop the hammer on Putin's already fragile economy. Their would be no lag time for these, it would be felt the following day when markets open.
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They wouldn't need to even do sanctions. The entirety of Europe would walk away from Russian gas in favor of US gas. Russian invasion of Ukraine would literally make it so Russia could and would never sell another ounce of gas or oil to Europe for decades if not longer. This would have more impact that sanctions.
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US gas? A gas pipeline under the Atlantic ocean? A fleet of Gas tankers? Where?

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Aren't I the popular one today. A bunch of random ACs come out of nowhere to attack me. I feel special.
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They're Putinbots. They find you threatening. If they find out you have real and meaningful ties to Ukraine, you will be attacked immediately. These ties give you credibility, something the Putinschills are terrified of.
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I think Putin is a piece of shit commie but that is my opinion. That doesn't make me a shill or a troll. I am tired of the reporting of shill/troll just because someone disagrees with your point of view. It is getting very old...
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So why is this 4 waves not being reported in the news?
 Quoting: Unit 88


Pictured: Dramatic moment MoD scrambled RAF Typhoon fighter jets after 'multiple' Russian planes were spotted in Baltic airspace

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]
 Quoting: Tess2012


Meh...60s Soviet tech. This is all routine crap anyway, but Putin would never confront the 'western world' directly. Not in my lifetime.
 Quoting: FritoBandito


You are obviously speaking from the grave then. How is it down there?

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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
Nathan J Hunt ‏@ISNJH · 7m
Now that RU reporters back in RU will they release new statement or let statement stand. [link to en.censor.net.ua] …
 Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box


Confessions like that say more about the people who extract and promote them than about anyone doing the confessing. Would you take that as genuine? If so, why?





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