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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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Its the only way to Donbas victory. Other way they are doomed. Final objective for Kiev is Crimea and this conflict WILL involve Russia eventually. Russians seems determined to not let go Novorossiya.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Attacking Crimea would be suicide, they know that, and that's why it won't happen.

Heck, if there were no other way to repel an attempted invasion of Crimea except nuclear weapons then a nuclear strike on Ukraine is what it would be. Probably the seat of government in Kiev being the first target.
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The world may have a different view on it, but to Russia, Crimea is now their own territory. It's as simple as that. Ukraine's attempt to reclaim the peninsula by force would be an open declaration of war, and from that point on the gloves are off. The Ukrainian army would be decimated within a matter of days and Russian tanks would roll through Kiev's streets.

The Ukraine as we know it today would cease to exist, at the very least. Whether NATO has the gall to interfere remains to be seen at that point.

As for direct opposition from Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldavia, Georgia, Romania etc, their armies don't compare. By the time the conflict is over Russia could have very likely regained it's old territories while the west sits on it's collective ass thinking sanctions actually matter.

And if it doesn't work out in a conventional way for either side, we all know where it ends.
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Well said.
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AJSB ‏@A_J_S_B 15 min
NEWS FLASH: #Ukraine 25th brigade that shelled #Slavyansk during its siege, is now under siege of NAF forces
"When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die."
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What a surprise:

Peter Spiegel @SpiegelPeter · 1 min
Sounds like those expecting tough new measures from #EU today on #Russia likely to be disappointed.
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ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK · 8 seg

#BreakingNews Russian invaders claim,they closed the circle around the Ukr. 25th airmobil brigade on the Rus border.
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
Its the only way to Donbas victory. Other way they are doomed. Final objective for Kiev is Crimea and this conflict WILL involve Russia eventually. Russians seems determined to not let go Novorossiya.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Attacking Crimea would be suicide, they know that, and that's why it won't happen.

Heck, if there were no other way to repel an attempted invasion of Crimea except nuclear weapons then a nuclear strike on Ukraine is what it would be. Probably the seat of government in Kiev being the first target.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


The world may have a different view on it, but to Russia, Crimea is now their own territory. It's as simple as that. Ukraine's attempt to reclaim the peninsula by force would be an open declaration of war, and from that point on the gloves are off. The Ukrainian army would be decimated within a matter of days and Russian tanks would roll through Kiev's streets.

The Ukraine as we know it today would cease to exist, at the very least. Whether NATO has the gall to interfere remains to be seen at that point.

As for direct opposition from Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldavia, Georgia, Romania etc, their armies don't compare. By the time the conflict is over Russia could have very likely regained it's old territories while the west sits on it's collective ass thinking sanctions actually matter.

And if it doesn't work out in a conventional way for either side, we all know where it ends.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57271883


AC this is one of the best comments on this thread today

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ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK · 8 seg

#BreakingNews Russian invaders claim,they closed the circle around the Ukr. 25th airmobil brigade on the Rus border.
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 Quoting: Luisport


this is where shells are likely to land on Russian soil
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For those, thinking, the Ukr. forces are winning on all fronts .. they are not!
Especially situation on the Russian border is terrible!

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English version of "Voice of Sevastopol" website is up now. They are posting all relevant information about Ukraine/Novorossia conflict.
[link to en.voicesevas.ru]

Also warmap on cassad.net: [link to cassad.net]

And Major of Kiev Klichko supported pathriotic action af painting all the bridges in Kiev in colors of Ukrainian flag.
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Ukraine rebels kidnap 9 Nigerian students in Luhansk - Lysenko

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Delta Just Halted All Flights To Israel [link to read.bi]

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Not a single response from #Kiev or #US on #Russian #MH17 radar evidence shown yesterday that i saw. No further admission of guilt is needed.

CNN...silent.

FOX...silent.

CNBC...silent.

BBC...silent.

100% admission of guilt from Britain and the US.
 Quoting: PIR


They'd never break a story like this, which tells everyone that everything they've been told so far, might be wrong.

But, in the UK at least, protests against BBC bias are growing:

[link to stopwar.org.uk]

But most people in the UK have no idea this is happening (because they get their daily 5 minute dose of "news" from the BBC).
 Quoting: henrykamens


Exactly. I posted a comment in an English newspaper (the Express) giving a link about the Ukranian jet followng the downed plane. It was up for about five minutes then removed, as were any comments which didn't go along with the anti-Russian propaganda.

Today the UK is starting an inquiry into the death of a Russian spy a couple of years back. Why bring this up now?
 Quoting: Tess2012

So what if the Ukrainan plane guarded MH17? If you look at the pictures of the plane wreck with an expert, he would tell you, that it has damages like it has been hit by surface-to-air missile. Now if you add the fact, that terrorist were happy to yell, that they shot a plane down, it's pretty clear to me that it's Russian fault that 298 men and women died.
If it was a false flag, the creators should have isolated the wreck site immediately.
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#Timmermans: no new #EU sanctions agreed. Diplos to look at wider measures, but tied to future #Russsian cooperaiton - not downing of #MH17

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Delta Just Halted All Flights To Israel [link to read.bi]


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BREAKING: Major US air companies suspend flights to and from #Israel [link to on.rt.com]

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Not a single response from #Kiev or #US on #Russian #MH17 radar evidence shown yesterday that i saw. No further admission of guilt is needed.

CNN...silent.

FOX...silent.

CNBC...silent.

BBC...silent.

100% admission of guilt from Britain and the US.
 Quoting: PIR


They'd never break a story like this, which tells everyone that everything they've been told so far, might be wrong.

But, in the UK at least, protests against BBC bias are growing:

[link to stopwar.org.uk]

But most people in the UK have no idea this is happening (because they get their daily 5 minute dose of "news" from the BBC).
 Quoting: henrykamens


Exactly. I posted a comment in an English newspaper (the Express) giving a link about the Ukranian jet followng the downed plane. It was up for about five minutes then removed, as were any comments which didn't go along with the anti-Russian propaganda.

Today the UK is starting an inquiry into the death of a Russian spy a couple of years back. Why bring this up now?
 Quoting: Tess2012

So what if the Ukrainan plane guarded MH17? If you look at the pictures of the plane wreck with an expert, he would tell you, that it has damages like it has been hit by surface-to-air missile. Now if you add the fact, that terrorist were happy to yell, that they shot a plane down, it's pretty clear to me that it's Russian fault that 298 men and women died.
If it was a false flag, the creators should have isolated the wreck site immediately.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58282033


I'll just say that if this is result of guarding by Ukrainian army, it's better to be unprotected.

About the rest... there were no any real conclusions about damage characteristics from experts on the spot. But comments of "internet experts" on uploaded photos were that it's likely to be air-to-air missile's fault.
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Ukr using white phosphorus ????

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WATCH LIVE: EU foreign policy chief speaks after discussion of new Russian sanctions [link to on.rt.com] #MH17
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#BREAKINGFOOTAGE Russian invaders attack the 25th airmobile brigade w/ T-64,BTR,BMP,ATGM.
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NEW: U.S. publishes trajectory of missile it says downed MH17 CNN

Big fucking fat ZERO! How about I publish the trajectory of my piss stream, b/c that has the same relevance as the US's published airplane/missile trajectories. At least fucking Russia's presentation was interactive. Good work, Obozo.
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My idiotic neighbour can render shit better than this drawing on a cardboard.
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Not a single response from #Kiev or #US on #Russian #MH17 radar evidence shown yesterday that i saw. No further admission of guilt is needed.

CNN...silent.

FOX...silent.

CNBC...silent.

BBC...silent.

100% admission of guilt from Britain and the US.
 Quoting: PIR


They'd never break a story like this, which tells everyone that everything they've been told so far, might be wrong.

But, in the UK at least, protests against BBC bias are growing:

[link to stopwar.org.uk]

But most people in the UK have no idea this is happening (because they get their daily 5 minute dose of "news" from the BBC).
 Quoting: henrykamens


Exactly. I posted a comment in an English newspaper (the Express) giving a link about the Ukranian jet followng the downed plane. It was up for about five minutes then removed, as were any comments which didn't go along with the anti-Russian propaganda.

Today the UK is starting an inquiry into the death of a Russian spy a couple of years back. Why bring this up now?
 Quoting: Tess2012

So what if the Ukrainan plane guarded MH17? If you look at the pictures of the plane wreck with an expert, he would tell you, that it has damages like it has been hit by surface-to-air missile. Now if you add the fact, that terrorist were happy to yell, that they shot a plane down, it's pretty clear to me that it's Russian fault that 298 men and women died.
If it was a false flag, the creators should have isolated the wreck site immediately.
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70kg of High explosive this is warhead of 9M28M1 missile aka Buk M1
so aluminium jet got hit by blast from this "small" warhead and go almost in one piece to ground ?
or just got hit by lightweight R-60 aa missile launched from ukies jet...too weak to blow it to pieces but sufficient to shot down
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Ashton: Sanctions will target Russian capital markets, defense, energy sectors [link to on.rt.com]

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BREAKING: Belgian Air Force flies to #Kiev to pick up black boxes #MH17. They will be flown to London for further investigation.
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lol what? to Kiev? The blackbox already being given to Malaysian experts in Donetsk last night yeah..
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SVT have met kidnapped Sölve Nilsson, 64, of Ukraine "I get food three times a day, the same food as the soldiers. They treat me well"
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Ukraine 25th brigade was in charge to keep a supply corridor for offensive against #Luhansk, now, no more supplies from it !
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White House says US intelligence officials today will lay out intel regarding #MH17 downing.
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NAF attack to Dmitrijevka area was HUGE success thanks to artillery support,even #Ukraine air force couldn't stop it.
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They'd never break a story like this, which tells everyone that everything they've been told so far, might be wrong.

But, in the UK at least, protests against BBC bias are growing:

[link to stopwar.org.uk]

But most people in the UK have no idea this is happening (because they get their daily 5 minute dose of "news" from the BBC).
 Quoting: henrykamens


Exactly. I posted a comment in an English newspaper (the Express) giving a link about the Ukranian jet followng the downed plane. It was up for about five minutes then removed, as were any comments which didn't go along with the anti-Russian propaganda.

Today the UK is starting an inquiry into the death of a Russian spy a couple of years back. Why bring this up now?
 Quoting: Tess2012

So what if the Ukrainan plane guarded MH17? If you look at the pictures of the plane wreck with an expert, he would tell you, that it has damages like it has been hit by surface-to-air missile. Now if you add the fact, that terrorist were happy to yell, that they shot a plane down, it's pretty clear to me that it's Russian fault that 298 men and women died.
If it was a false flag, the creators should have isolated the wreck site immediately.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58282033


I'll just say that if this is result of guarding by Ukrainian army, it's better to be unprotected.

About the rest... there were no any real conclusions about damage characteristics from experts on the spot. But comments of "internet experts" on uploaded photos were that it's likely to be air-to-air missile's fault.
 Quoting: Tamonten

If it was air-to-air missile, that downed MH17, then Ukrainians should have immediately taken wreck site under their control and hide the evidence. I bet that it was a surface-to-air missile. The big question is, which one, Buk M1, newer version or something else.
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chorus chorus



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Exactly. I posted a comment in an English newspaper (the Express) giving a link about the Ukranian jet followng the downed plane. It was up for about five minutes then removed, as were any comments which didn't go along with the anti-Russian propaganda.

Today the UK is starting an inquiry into the death of a Russian spy a couple of years back. Why bring this up now?
 Quoting: Tess2012

So what if the Ukrainan plane guarded MH17? If you look at the pictures of the plane wreck with an expert, he would tell you, that it has damages like it has been hit by surface-to-air missile. Now if you add the fact, that terrorist were happy to yell, that they shot a plane down, it's pretty clear to me that it's Russian fault that 298 men and women died.
If it was a false flag, the creators should have isolated the wreck site immediately.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58282033


I'll just say that if this is result of guarding by Ukrainian army, it's better to be unprotected.

About the rest... there were no any real conclusions about damage characteristics from experts on the spot. But comments of "internet experts" on uploaded photos were that it's likely to be air-to-air missile's fault.
 Quoting: Tamonten

If it was air-to-air missile, that downed MH17, then Ukrainians should have immediately taken wreck site under their control and hide the evidence. I bet that it was a surface-to-air missile. The big question is, which one, Buk M1, newer version or something else.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58282033


I,d say the junta brought the plane down just a few secs/mins too late, as it came down on the rebel side of the front line.

Just another monumental fuck up.
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chorus chorus



chorus wave chorus
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clappayoda
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Veneration of warmongers and armed fighters sickens me. (This also includes those in favour of the Ukrainian army, btw.)
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So what if the Ukrainan plane guarded MH17? If you look at the pictures of the plane wreck with an expert, he would tell you, that it has damages like it has been hit by surface-to-air missile. Now if you add the fact, that terrorist were happy to yell, that they shot a plane down, it's pretty clear to me that it's Russian fault that 298 men and women died.
If it was a false flag, the creators should have isolated the wreck site immediately.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58282033


I'll just say that if this is result of guarding by Ukrainian army, it's better to be unprotected.

About the rest... there were no any real conclusions about damage characteristics from experts on the spot. But comments of "internet experts" on uploaded photos were that it's likely to be air-to-air missile's fault.
 Quoting: Tamonten

If it was air-to-air missile, that downed MH17, then Ukrainians should have immediately taken wreck site under their control and hide the evidence. I bet that it was a surface-to-air missile. The big question is, which one, Buk M1, newer version or something else.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58282033


I,d say the junta brought the plane down just a few secs/mins too late, as it came down on the rebel side of the front line.

Just another monumental fuck up.
 Quoting: firinne


But then no-one would have believed that it was the militia.
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