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Didn't Ukraine say that they'd cut Europe off from transit gas from Russia if Russia cut Ukraine off?
If Ukraine blew up this pipeline I'm done being neutral in this conflict.
 Quoting: The Årtist
Seems a little too much of a coincidence for a section of this pipeline going through western Ukraine to blow up now, especially with Gazprom threatening to cut them off for the time being.

I believe Right Sector or other fringe parties actually made some threats months ago that they would hit these targets, i'm surprised that it's happening this late.

Still, it is quite concerning, one you start hitting vital targets like these, you hurt Russia directly. That it will respond to, even if the Ukrainian military has nothing to do with it if it cant control what is happening in it's own teritory.

Then again, why would you sabotage pipelines knowing full well it could very likely invite a full scale Russian response?
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There won't be a Russian military response over this.

Neither Russia not anyone else can defend the pipelines. You have to make people not want to blow them up. If there is popular support for the people who want to blow them up it can't be stopped.
The timing is no coincidence.
The issue is whether this is the first of many similar or an isolated incident. If it really is Pravvy Sektor work then it will not be an isolated incident.

We shall see.
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Not an entire people, the average citizen just wants to live, have a job and a roof above his head. It's the western aligned militias likely causing the trouble here. As the Ukraine minister of energy has admitted.

But really? You think Russia will just stare and sit idly by while it direct economic interests are taking a beating? So, this happened once, it will likely happen again. Russia will call upon Ukraine to control their territory more tightly and if they fail or turn a blind eye, what options are left?

Yes, the problem with pipelines is that they stretch across many countries, but when they are hit fingers will still be pointed.

As Russia relies so heavily on gas export it cannot permit being crippled, wars have been waged for less. You're talking about sabotaging one of the only sources of strength that makes Russia what it is today.
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Maybe Germany should have not encouraged this war by supporting the Kiev coup govt. You should be buying a wood burning stove.
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Threadneed: To drop the idea of wood burning stove tho it is useful, simple turbine or batteries of today make power localized and simple, if one can stop warmongers and dipshit politicians from wrecking the nation.
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Here you go:

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This guy is a walking dead man. And he knows it...true martyr of future OUR NWO.
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I'm sure there are people who want the new country if/when it happens to be called the United Council of Novorossiya.
United Council translates as Soyuz Soviet of course. Which means they could reinstate the medal "Hero of the Soviet Union" (with swords) and make him the first recipient in 23 years. Even if posthumously.
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Here you go:


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This guy is a walking dead man. And he knows it...true martyr of future OUR NWO.
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I am pretty sure he, Babai and Motorola will destroy all Lviv football hooligans in military disguise. For example Babai can destroy armored vehicles with bare hands. Didn't you know that?
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Here you go:


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I like Igor, seems like a good leader.

But, at the end of the day, he'd run East Germany to shit like his fathers did.
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chuckle
Eat the Reds
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Igor is tough and I like his measured and frankly dry words, he is quite funny, and that causes much pathos!

Yes, it's truly sad for Russian speakers in some regions, I say as an American, they should be protected just as fleeing Germans were.
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When push comes to bullet the Americans will not allow the Europeans to twist in the wind, especially if Russia or China are engaged in a non-friendly way. There are over 100 million Americans with ancestral ties to Europe. 50 million via Germany alone. They will not allow Obozo to stop them either. Obozo is dry humping the American's last exposed nerve. He may face his own Yanukovych Maidan, especially as they watch a convoy of UN armoured trucks head to the Southwest. America is showing tinderbox likenesses.
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Americans will never have an uprising against their gov. Not because they dont have balls to do it BUT because US gov is too strong to be toppled by the poeple.

Their riot police is among the best in the world. And they wouldnt use gloves like Yanukovich, when protecting white house. If police would fail US gov would just send national guard to deal with the populace.

I watched the Detroid riots on youtube, decades ago. In the end national guard came with APC's and started to shoot at rioters. They got no mercy.
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Americans will never have an uprising against their gov. Not because they dont have balls to do it BUT because US gov is too strong to be toppled by the poeple.

Their riot police is among the best in the world. And they wouldnt use gloves like Yanukovich, when protecting white house. If police would fail US gov would just send national guard to deal with the populace.

I watched the Detroid riots on youtube, decades ago. In the end national guard came with APC's and started to shoot at rioters. They got no mercy.
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;D

I see what you did there.
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When push comes to bullet the Americans will not allow the Europeans to twist in the wind, especially if Russia or China are engaged in a non-friendly way. There are over 100 million Americans with ancestral ties to Europe. 50 million via Germany alone. They will not allow Obozo to stop them either. Obozo is dry humping the American's last exposed nerve. He may face his own Yanukovych Maidan, especially as they watch a convoy of UN armoured trucks head to the Southwest. America is showing tinderbox likenesses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59356290


Americans will never have an uprising against their gov. Not because they dont have balls to do it BUT because US gov is too strong to be toppled by the poeple.

Their riot police is among the best in the world. And they wouldnt use gloves like Yanukovich, when protecting white house. If police would fail US gov would just send national guard to deal with the populace.

I watched the Detroid riots on youtube, decades ago. In the end national guard came with APC's and started to shoot at rioters. They got no mercy.
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I would scrap "land of the free and home of the brave" from their anthem. If you don't mean it, dont sing it.
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Babay ‏@Truth_Seeker_11 · 2 min. 
#Russia sends 4 battalions to #Ukraine's border: 2 amphibious ass. div., 56th Air Ass. Brig., 19th Mot. Rifle Brig. pic.twitter.com/qg7NFkF5N7

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Russia takes its time to move because when it does it is definitive.
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3rd week of June...near the solstice.
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lining up nicely
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ConflictReporter ‏@MiddleEast_BRK · 2 min. 
Russian media claims, the Ukrainian govt. blew up a gas pipeline in #Poltava btw. #Kharkiv and #Dnipropetrovsk .
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)] …


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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Cutting gas from europe is about the best way to unite the europen people.

If russia want's 800 million people come ransacking over there they just have to cut the gas flow or fail ensureing it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59351959

The product Europe has ordered is to be shipped in full. Russia is not responsible for it after it enters the Ukraine, in fact Russia is strongly suggesting the south line be completed and that route used to ship the product to it's European customers. Europe could pay the Ukrainian debt and that would give them a gas discount for the next 25 years.

If the line carried gas to the rest of Europe but didn't affect the Ukraine system the Kiev is just trying to show Europe how important Kiev is. The answer is, 'Not very, ... even when the leaders have the backing of the people.
In the bit below did Kiev just get a loan from Europe that will be for gas purchases from Europe at some time in the future. A loan that be repaid @ interest. The best way to replace the gas Ukraine needs is to open the south line and sell that Russian gas back to Kiev at the highest price possible. That is probably legally sound also.

[link to news.yahoo.com]

The EU also said Tuesday that 500 million euros ($680 million), part of a 1.6 billion euro aid package, had been disbursed to Kiev, the proceeds of which could pay for the reverse flows.

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Cutting gas from europe is about the best way to unite the europen people.

If russia want's 800 million people come ransacking over there they just have to cut the gas flow or fail ensureing it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59351959

The product Europe has ordered is to be shipped in full. Russia is not responsible for it after it enters the Ukraine, in fact Russia is strongly suggesting the south line be completed and that route used to ship the product to it's European customers. Europe could pay the Ukrainian debt and that would give them a gas discount for the next 25 years.

If the line carried gas to the rest of Europe but didn't affect the Ukraine system the Kiev is just trying to show Europe how important Kiev is. The answer is, 'Not very, ... even when the leaders have the backing of the people.
 Quoting: Wayfaring Stranger


That means ukraine has to become NATO/EU member right now!
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#Russia sends 4 battalions to #Ukraine's border: 2 amphibious ass. div., 56th Air Ass. Brig., 19th Mot. Rifle Brig. pic.twitter.com/qg7NFkF5N7

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they are going in to the east this is the kind of line up expected to enter to secure supply routes
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Russian media claims, the Ukrainian govt. blew up a gas pipeline in #Poltava btw. #Kharkiv and #Dnipropetrovsk .
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!

There is no way in tarnation that the Ukrainian government did this.

Given that it happened near Poltava, and bearing in mind the timing then Yarosh has to be behind this.

Remember he promised months ago that he would destroy pipelines to prevent transit if he didn't get his way.

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...


Is either that, or you guys are gonna have a horrible winter, which is approaching...
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Our people won't accept it.
Im pretty sure about that.
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Maybe Germany should have not encouraged this war by supporting the Kiev coup govt. You should be buying a wood burning stove.
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We never even talked to kiev until after the civilians got murdered by berkut.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59351959


Please dont do this. Who was shooting at who that day is STILL debatable. I think it was done by both sides. There were dead Berkut guys on the scene also, ya know...You think they shoot at their own?
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Shares in Gazprom, Russia's & the world's largest gas producer, fall on report of Europe pipeline fire, then recover pic.twitter.com/5Ptgbimsnn

Someone just took over gazprom i bet.
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Yep, or maybe Russian Gov. guaranteed Gazprom's contract obligations, or maybe a cash infusion.
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In light of the massive Gazprom sell-off and 1/2 recovery Putin better grow eyes in the back of his head, hire more personal security. As stated earlier there will come a time when Russian oligarchs have had enough of watching their billions melt away under insane Putin policies. They will make deals (cash pay-offs) with the military generals and certain Duma elite, paving the way for Putin's ouster.
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Cutting gas from europe is about the best way to unite the europen people.

If russia want's 800 million people come ransacking over there they just have to cut the gas flow or fail ensureing it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59351959

The product Europe has ordered is to be shipped in full. Russia is not responsible for it after it enters the Ukraine, in fact Russia is strongly suggesting the south line be completed and that route used to ship the product to it's European customers. Europe could pay the Ukrainian debt and that would give them a gas discount for the next 25 years.

If the line carried gas to the rest of Europe but didn't affect the Ukraine system the Kiev is just trying to show Europe how important Kiev is. The answer is, 'Not very, ... even when the leaders have the backing of the people.
In the bit below did Kiev just get a loan from Europe that will be for gas purchases from Europe at some time in the future. A loan that be repaid @ interest. The best way to replace the gas Ukraine needs is to open the south line and sell that Russian gas back to Kiev at the highest price possible. That is probably legally sound also.

[link to news.yahoo.com]

The EU also said Tuesday that 500 million euros ($680 million), part of a 1.6 billion euro aid package, had been disbursed to Kiev, the proceeds of which could pay for the reverse flows.
 Quoting: Wayfaring Stranger


This is how this problem is going to be solved: UN will send peacekeeping troops (read NATO) to guard the pipelines from Ukraine.
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Cutting gas from europe is about the best way to unite the europen people.

If russia want's 800 million people come ransacking over there they just have to cut the gas flow or fail ensureing it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59351959

The product Europe has ordered is to be shipped in full. Russia is not responsible for it after it enters the Ukraine, in fact Russia is strongly suggesting the south line be completed and that route used to ship the product to it's European customers. Europe could pay the Ukrainian debt and that would give them a gas discount for the next 25 years.

If the line carried gas to the rest of Europe but didn't affect the Ukraine system the Kiev is just trying to show Europe how important Kiev is. The answer is, 'Not very, ... even when the leaders have the backing of the people.
 Quoting: Wayfaring Stranger


That means ukraine has to become NATO/EU member right now!
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:Asd

Nobody wants those ukrainian barbarians, they are just tools.
Only as a buffer zone.
So NATO can sign some defence treaty with them, mayby use their ground for missles etc. So the first nuke will fly to kiev not Berlin - there will be time for Merkel to hide to the bunker.

EU is falling apart and kept only by printing huge amounts of Euros. Ukraine enters EU - means end of EU.

Russia is no diffrent then Nato, dosnt also cares about Ukrainian people.

And lets be fair here, Ukrainians are barbarians, savages, they got no soul. And all things that are happening right now just proves it. They are cheering killing babies, genocide, ethnic cleanse etc.

Just google SS galizien : in short, when Hitler invaded east Europe he was searching for traitors in conquered countries to serve on Siberian Front etc.
Poland gave 3 people, Ukraine gave 80 000. It was such a shock for Hitler, that there are so many blood hungry Ukrainians, that they had problem arming them :)
So what they did is sent 40 000 to the front (they ware looking for 20 000) and the rest of ukrainian volontieres, worked at death camps, formed SS Galizien which worked like this :

- 1 squad shooting at polish towns villigies at night
- 2 squad enters the town and kills everyone in it (babies included)
- 3 squad enters the town and the looting begins.

They anihilated many towns, wiped whole sociaties from the face of earth.

Everybody know this, even look how they lived under oligarh and first chance they got to elect some one else.... no, another oligarh please.

This is savage dumb land - and it is beign played by all powers. Nobody cares about them and Ukraine is gone, im not sure if it will be a slave zone for EU or a slave zone for Russia. We shall see that. But one thing is sure, those savages will not have their own country anymore.

The funny part is, they asked for it :)
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When push comes to bullet the Americans will not allow the Europeans to twist in the wind, especially if Russia or China are engaged in a non-friendly way. There are over 100 million Americans with ancestral ties to Europe. 50 million via Germany alone. They will not allow Obozo to stop them either. Obozo is dry humping the American's last exposed nerve. He may face his own Yanukovych Maidan, especially as they watch a convoy of UN armoured trucks head to the Southwest. America is showing tinderbox likenesses.
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Americans will never have an uprising against their gov. Not because they dont have balls to do it BUT because US gov is too strong to be toppled by the poeple.

Their riot police is among the best in the world. And they wouldnt use gloves like Yanukovich, when protecting white house. If police would fail US gov would just send national guard to deal with the populace.

I watched the Detroid riots on youtube, decades ago. In the end national guard came with APC's and started to shoot at rioters. They got no mercy.
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I would scrap "land of the free and home of the brave" from their anthem. If you don't mean it, dont sing it.
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Well, this is all just opinions from people who don't live here.
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That means ukraine has to become NATO/EU member right now!
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She became a NATO Pledgling some time ago, say with the start of that $5B the US sent in before any trouble started in the streets.
It means the other line would be the next target.
[link to news.yahoo.com]

Police said the affected pipeline was the Urengoy–Pomary–Uzhgorod, a major supply route for gas being transported through Ukraine to the European Union.

"We cannot say anything at the moment, because it is an area of responsibility of Ukrtransgaz (Ukraine's state gas transport monopoly)," Gazprom spokesman Sergei Kupriyanov said.

But a Gazprom source said: "Exports have not been cut. There is a parallel pipeline."


If that line gets repaired then everything is back to normal but what if that line is abandoned and to the west new gas would be supplied by Europe and Kiev could not supply any to the east of that break citing the lines keep getting blown up so Russia would have to give the area free gas or a lot of innocents would suffer needlessly.

NATO gets them to cut any other ties and then the Membership is dangled until NATO bleeds out everything they would have gotten through a war with the Ukraine.
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This is how this problem is going to be solved: UN will send peacekeeping troops (read NATO) to guard the pipelines from Ukraine.
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Impossible. No-one can guard literally thousands of miles of pipelines that criss-cross Ukraine. Up hill and down dale, over the fields and through the woods to grandma's place.

You have to make people not want to destroy the pipes. That is how it was, that is what they must go back to.

Poroshenko's policies ("we will not negotiate, we will vanquish") simply do not work in the real world.
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When push comes to bullet the Americans will not allow the Europeans to twist in the wind, especially if Russia or China are engaged in a non-friendly way. There are over 100 million Americans with ancestral ties to Europe. 50 million via Germany alone. They will not allow Obozo to stop them either. Obozo is dry humping the American's last exposed nerve. He may face his own Yanukovych Maidan, especially as they watch a convoy of UN armoured trucks head to the Southwest. America is showing tinderbox likenesses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59356290


Americans will never have an uprising against their gov. Not because they dont have balls to do it BUT because US gov is too strong to be toppled by the poeple.

Their riot police is among the best in the world. And they wouldnt use gloves like Yanukovich, when protecting white house. If police would fail US gov would just send national guard to deal with the populace.

I watched the Detroid riots on youtube, decades ago. In the end national guard came with APC's and started to shoot at rioters. They got no mercy.
 Quoting: Matjaz

Americans have 91 guns per 100 people. They also buy shitloads of rounds-this means they practice. Unlike now, race riots were over a very different issue. What the American govenment, Obama, is doing is threatening the very republic, on multiple fronts. This affects the people in every location, every gender, every minority. Race riots were contained to what, maybe ten cities. An uprising today would envelope the entire country. Probably won't happen, but UN trucks in convoy's have the trigger happy Yanks real fucking angry-read their sites. Obama has virtually no support from the military and after a litany of foreign fuck-ups, the vast intel orgs hate Obozo.
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
In light of the massive Gazprom sell-off and 1/2 recovery Putin better grow eyes in the back of his head, hire more personal security. As stated earlier there will come a time when Russian oligarchs have had enough of watching their billions melt away under insane Putin policies. They will make deals (cash pay-offs) with the military generals and certain Duma elite, paving the way for Putin's ouster.
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remember how shaken he looked after telling the novorussians to back down. he could tell it was inevitable.
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Well, this is all just opinions from people who don't live here.
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Martial law was called in part of Canada once, it pretty much voided anything they thought they were guaranteed as far as being free to do what you wanted unless staying inside with the doors locked is what you were going to do that week anyway. The fact that it was declared by the words, 'Just watch.' is a little eerie.
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In light of the massive Gazprom sell-off and 1/2 recovery Putin better grow eyes in the back of his head, hire more personal security. As stated earlier there will come a time when Russian oligarchs have had enough of watching their billions melt away under insane Putin policies. They will make deals (cash pay-offs) with the military generals and certain Duma elite, paving the way for Putin's ouster.
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It doesnt matter anyway who is in charge of Kremlin. Their foreign politics would stay the same. Theres a Good chance they would even became more agressive. There are a lot of HC nationalists waiting in the background to fill the void.





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