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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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firinne

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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
This explains everything, please read.

[link to futurefastforward.com]
 Quoting: firinne


This is good ! Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66146021


So you think physical gold will help secure russia?
epiclol
I don't think so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41247272


Physical gold is obviously better than fiat bogroll.

And the BRICS countries are hoarding tonnes of the stuff.
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This explains everything, please read.

[link to futurefastforward.com]
 Quoting: firinne


This is a very important read...
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
Andreas Cseh ‏@andreascseh · 21 hod.
#Bush family's "Project Hammer" The Takeover of #Russia's #Oil Industry [link to www.renewamerica.com] … @dajcstomi @zoltanspox

The Bush family's project hammer

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 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


I have to say this is your best post on the thread!!

As I said many times before, putin is not on russias side! He's one of them!

"In September 1991, George H. W. Bush and Alan Greenspan, both Pilgrims Society members, financed $240 billion in illegal bonds to economically decimate the Soviet Union and bring Soviet oil and gas resources under the control of Western investors, backed by the Black Eagle Trust and supported later by Putin who for the right price purged certain oligarchs."

He has been bought and paid for!
 Quoting: KipKat


I appreciate your interest but it looks like you missed 99,9% of this article. Let me help you - the article is about that westerners and mainly Americans (or more correctly the ruling elite) are bunch of swindlers and looters. They try to takeover control of Russian oil industry and wealth and loot it as they did in multiple other countries. In fact in this relatively long article is Putin named only three times. But there are many times named another persons, mainly from American government, secret services or financial sector. Some of them repeatedly. Of course you picked up that what is in accordance with your previous statements. Independent person at its best! But put it aside.

All mess with oligarchs (mainly western backed) is remnant of a coup attempt at early 90s (western backed according this article) and mainly it is a legacy of the Yeltsin era. Don't forget that putin is the president of the Russian federation since end of 1999 respectively May of 2000. 10 years of western owned or backed companies were able grow through the Russian business, oil industry and aother business with Russian resources. All of that I already said - Putin had to deal with very well organized and dangerous criminals backed and connected directly to the American government.

As I also said Putins agenda is mainly to keep Russian reasources, wealth and its control in Russia. It's not in conflict with the activities of foreign companies. Those companies just have to do what government want. What RUSSIAN government want. And it is reason for all this shitstorm.

But of course we can accept your "He's one of them!" statement. In that case surelly you are able to explain why each of his actions infuriated the West, why he is attacked by western hegemons every time, when is some Russian oligarch jailed and why he does everything possible to break free of the influence of the West and its attempts to loot Russia.

But, after all, all what I say all the time is that western elites try to build worldwide hegemony, steal resources and rule the world. I support Russia for its fight against those criminals, for its sovereignty and its wealth. It is fight against the worst criminals and it is fight not only for Russia but for all decent people, good citizens of all countries affected by criminal activities of the looting cabal. And your misunderstanding of my words is not my problem at all.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Everywhere they try to tell you Putin is "One of THEM" - you have to wonder why that is. They know they can't beat him, drives them nuts, so they say, "well he's one of us, don't be fooled, he's no better".
Well, actions speak louder than words ... Well said ZOD
People still haven't learned to look past the MSM hype during any major event and instead inform themselves. Press Freedom doesn't exist, only the few in charge of this theater have the freedom to form your opinion by spreading their version of events. Be careful guys!
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This explains everything, please read.

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 Quoting: firinne


For China and Russia surely a win-win.

Now I understand, the Sovjets sold their gold and the west thought Russia would do the same. Hehe! And why their top guy always grinning like a fed cat. He hasn't the slightest reason to start that "hot" war the west want to drive him in.
The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is).
No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it:
Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms.
It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people.
That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”.
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Some serious scary shit right there!
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 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


I have to say this is your best post on the thread!!

As I said many times before, putin is not on russias side! He's one of them!

"In September 1991, George H. W. Bush and Alan Greenspan, both Pilgrims Society members, financed $240 billion in illegal bonds to economically decimate the Soviet Union and bring Soviet oil and gas resources under the control of Western investors, backed by the Black Eagle Trust and supported later by Putin who for the right price purged certain oligarchs."

He has been bought and paid for!
 Quoting: KipKat


I appreciate your interest but it looks like you missed 99,9% of this article. Let me help you - the article is about that westerners and mainly Americans (or more correctly the ruling elite) are bunch of swindlers and looters. They try to takeover control of Russian oil industry and wealth and loot it as they did in multiple other countries. In fact in this relatively long article is Putin named only three times. But there are many times named another persons, mainly from American government, secret services or financial sector. Some of them repeatedly. Of course you picked up that what is in accordance with your previous statements. Independent person at its best! But put it aside.

All mess with oligarchs (mainly western backed) is remnant of a coup attempt at early 90s (western backed according this article) and mainly it is a legacy of the Yeltsin era. Don't forget that putin is the president of the Russian federation since end of 1999 respectively May of 2000. 10 years of western owned or backed companies were able grow through the Russian business, oil industry and aother business with Russian resources. All of that I already said - Putin had to deal with very well organized and dangerous criminals backed and connected directly to the American government.

As I also said Putins agenda is mainly to keep Russian reasources, wealth and its control in Russia. It's not in conflict with the activities of foreign companies. Those companies just have to do what government want. What RUSSIAN government want. And it is reason for all this shitstorm.

But of course we can accept your "He's one of them!" statement. In that case surelly you are able to explain why each of his actions infuriated the West, why he is attacked by western hegemons every time, when is some Russian oligarch jailed and why he does everything possible to break free of the influence of the West and its attempts to loot Russia.

But, after all, all what I say all the time is that western elites try to build worldwide hegemony, steal resources and rule the world. I support Russia for its fight against those criminals, for its sovereignty and its wealth. It is fight against the worst criminals and it is fight not only for Russia but for all decent people, good citizens of all countries affected by criminal activities of the looting cabal. And your misunderstanding of my words is not my problem at all.
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When I'd tell this to my 13 yr old daughter she would understand, maybe with a few more words what's the story around it.

scratching jerkit
The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is).
No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it:
Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms.
It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people.
That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”.
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Russia has surpassed the US in production of combat planes — by @cencio4 via @TheAviationist [link to read.bi]
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Hmm wonder what that means, however Russia has a long way to go before they match the U.S. in aircraft numbers. Likewise for U.S. to match Russia in Armored Vehicles.
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Wonder why you think they'd need as much as the US needs them? Or do you really think they come to you?
The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is).
No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it:
Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms.
It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people.
That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”.
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Hmm wonder what that means, however Russia has a long way to go before they match the U.S. in aircraft numbers. Likewise for U.S. to match Russia in Armored Vehicles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12071262


US/NATO aircraft have been a joke, the last decent fighter was the F-16

the F-22 and F-35 barely fly.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Could say the same about Russia, but at the end of the day who has more experience with air dominance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12071262


the USA has more experience with hubris, that's for sure.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


YMMD!

rofl5
The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is).
No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it:
Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms.
It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people.
That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”.
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Major Anti-Russian False Flag Coming? [link to en.ukraina.ru]
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Some serious scary shit right there!
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That's the same I was talking about earlier, but it was in German language.
The main reason for my wish to change this society is that so many human skills have no chance to come to fruition. Instead they are used in a really sick way that people are maintaining their own suffering from wars, hunger and illness. But it cannot be changed “top-down”, only in some kind of “grassroots revolution” or better “evolution” where more and more people work together to get rid of TPTB (whoever that is).
No need for a “big event” but a development. One of my ideas to reach it:
Don’t play “their” games - don’t use “their” rules - don’t think in the box of “their” paradigms.
It’s more “refuse” than “resist” - without too much ideology. You don't need to know much about "what's going on behind the curtains", it's mainly to create your own rules together with likeminded people.
That is what I mean with “I’m on the side of the people”.
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This explains everything, please read.

[link to futurefastforward.com]
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For China and Russia surely a win-win.

Now I understand, the Sovjets sold their gold and the west thought Russia would do the same. Hehe! And why their top guy always grinning like a fed cat. He hasn't the slightest reason to start that "hot" war the west want to drive him in.
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Hey guys, any idea when that article was written? If only the answer remains quite so um, tidy.

I'm somewhat freaking about Cuba..no, a LOT freaking about Cuba.
Firm allie of Russia for 62 years and now the u.s. plans a base there while lifting sanctions?
Has Cuba's gov't been hypnotized or what into the deep end of the river.
WTF IS GOING ON!
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Corrected it. ;)
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LOL
WAKE UP PEOPLE !
The change in the cuban policy to remove sanctions is aimed at the russian people. Crush russias economy pile on sanctions, wait till the russian people panic, which they are now. Then remove sanctions from cuba.
They are trying to use cuba as an example eg look if we remove sanctions cuba will prosper a d the people will be happy. They are useing cuba to make the russian people revolt on putin and remove him from power so they to can have sanctions removed as well. ITS ALL A SHOW FOR RUSSIA.......
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Wow!!!

An ancient Roman testudo formation
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Remember when all this started
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WAKE UP PEOPLE !
The change in the cuban policy to remove sanctions is aimed at the russian people. Crush russias economy pile on sanctions, wait till the russian people panic, which they are now. Then remove sanctions from cuba.
They are trying to use cuba as an example eg look if we remove sanctions cuba will prosper a d the people will be happy. They are useing cuba to make the russian people revolt on putin and remove him from power so they to can have sanctions removed as well. ITS ALL A SHOW FOR RUSSIA.......
 Quoting: THE WATCHER 66141899


No. Wait. Cuba knows the vultures they are dealing with have a slipknot around their necks. You don't get something from the u.s. without holding your country hostage with a gun to your head.
I want to know what happened to Cuba's gov't we don't know about.
The Cubans KNOW the kind of devil they're dealing with. A military base..that's an OVER for me.

Putin has already stated he sees the u.s. is attempting to disintegrate and fragment Russia on the inside. No surprises there.
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Major Anti-Russian False Flag Coming? [link to en.ukraina.ru]
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Some serious scary shit right there!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66143385


That's the same I was talking about earlier, but it was in German language.
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wtf finally read and wish I didn't! I mean I won't put anything past them to do whatever psychopathic mass killing event to get what they want, but a nuke in the heart of Europe? You have got to be fucking kidding me, if they try to pin something like this on Russia, this would NEVER work.HELL WOULD BREAK LOOSE - the huge amount of casualties, and considering the land being contaminated and what about the fallout! NO WAY they wouldn't do that. And would sheep swallow this one? If they don't, all hell would break loose there too. Loose loose scenario big time. I don't see that happening.

Some dirty bomb going off somewhere like some US Politicians said/suggested in the US is more likely, also FF of course. They would totally trace the materials used to Russia and blame Putin on it. At this point, when there's a blizzard going through the midwest, they blame Putin too.
People still haven't learned to look past the MSM hype during any major event and instead inform themselves. Press Freedom doesn't exist, only the few in charge of this theater have the freedom to form your opinion by spreading their version of events. Be careful guys!
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This explains everything, please read.

[link to futurefastforward.com]
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For China and Russia surely a win-win.

Now I understand, the Sovjets sold their gold and the west thought Russia would do the same. Hehe! And why their top guy always grinning like a fed cat. He hasn't the slightest reason to start that "hot" war the west want to drive him in.
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Hey guys, any idea when that article was written? If only the answer remains quite so um, tidy.


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Got it here

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LOL
WAKE UP PEOPLE !
The change in the cuban policy to remove sanctions is aimed at the russian people. Crush russias economy pile on sanctions, wait till the russian people panic, which they are now. Then remove sanctions from cuba.
They are trying to use cuba as an example eg look if we remove sanctions cuba will prosper a d the people will be happy. They are useing cuba to make the russian people revolt on putin and remove him from power so they to can have sanctions removed as well. ITS ALL A SHOW FOR RUSSIA.......
 Quoting: THE WATCHER 66141899


No. Wait. Cuba knows the vultures they are dealing with have a slipknot around their necks. You don't get something from the u.s. without holding your country hostage with a gun to your head.
I want to know what happened to Cuba's gov't we don't know about.
The Cubans KNOW the kind of devil they're dealing with. A military base..that's an OVER for me.

Putin has already stated he sees the u.s. is attempting to disintegrate and fragment Russia on the inside. No surprises there.
 Quoting: DawaSatso


True, this is something very strange going on - but then the whole Cuba thing has been strange from the start.
I think this is their attempt to isolate Russia from its allies/friends now, but gets bought will eventually fall hard. Dirty money has never brought luck in the long term.
People still haven't learned to look past the MSM hype during any major event and instead inform themselves. Press Freedom doesn't exist, only the few in charge of this theater have the freedom to form your opinion by spreading their version of events. Be careful guys!
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Obama ends Cuba sanctions, prepares to sign new round of sanctions against Russia
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Let's translate it - almighty US of A defeated by the island nearby Florida...
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


You know this whole Cuba thing is very interesting and coincidental.... I find it suspect how they bring Cuba into the picture here all of a sudden, since a poster the other day described this scenario like the Cuban missile crisis, but in reverse.
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Obama ends Cuba sanctions, prepares to sign new round of sanctions against Russia
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Let's translate it - almighty US of A defeated by the island nearby Florida...
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Does this mean I can finally get me some hand rolled Havanas?
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^------THIS!!!!! times 1000
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Major Anti-Russian False Flag Coming? [link to en.ukraina.ru]
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Some serious scary shit right there!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66143385


That's the same I was talking about earlier, but it was in German language.
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wtf finally read and wish I didn't! I mean I won't put anything past them to do whatever psychopathic mass killing event to get what they want, but a nuke in the heart of Europe? You have got to be fucking kidding me, if they try to pin something like this on Russia, this would NEVER work.HELL WOULD BREAK LOOSE - the huge amount of casualties, and considering the land being contaminated and what about the fallout! NO WAY they wouldn't do that. And would sheep swallow this one? If they don't, all hell would break loose there too. Loose loose scenario big time. I don't see that happening.

Some dirty bomb going off somewhere like some US Politicians said/suggested in the US is more likely, also FF of course. They would totally trace the materials used to Russia and blame Putin on it. At this point, when there's a blizzard going through the midwest, they blame Putin too.
 Quoting: Bes Maat

Hope you are right!

But knowing well what kind of psychos are wandering on the streets in D.C. can't help to remove that chilling shit effect!
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LOL
WAKE UP PEOPLE !
The change in the cuban policy to remove sanctions is aimed at the russian people. Crush russias economy pile on sanctions, wait till the russian people panic, which they are now. Then remove sanctions from cuba.
They are trying to use cuba as an example eg look if we remove sanctions cuba will prosper a d the people will be happy. They are useing cuba to make the russian people revolt on putin and remove him from power so they to can have sanctions removed as well. ITS ALL A SHOW FOR RUSSIA.......
 Quoting: THE WATCHER 66141899


No. Wait. Cuba knows the vultures they are dealing with have a slipknot around their necks. You don't get something from the u.s. without holding your country hostage with a gun to your head.
I want to know what happened to Cuba's gov't we don't know about.
The Cubans KNOW the kind of devil they're dealing with. A military base..that's an OVER for me.

Putin has already stated he sees the u.s. is attempting to disintegrate and fragment Russia on the inside. No surprises there.
 Quoting: DawaSatso


True, this is something very strange going on - but then the whole Cuba thing has been strange from the start.
I think this is their attempt to isolate Russia from its allies/friends now, but gets bought will eventually fall hard. Dirty money has never brought luck in the long term.
 Quoting: Bes Maat

Good insight here :)
Yet we've seen this isolate from allie approach so many times or intimidate allies with a desperate catch-22 so they don't dare make any moves of support toward their allies in distress.
SOP tool.
Why would Cuba sellout on a reliable support and go with one they know is going to fuck you over every single time.
Willingly walk through that door.
This is too improbable to be real.

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The Bush family's project hammer

[link to www.renewamerica.com]
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


I have to say this is your best post on the thread!!

As I said many times before, putin is not on russias side! He's one of them!

"In September 1991, George H. W. Bush and Alan Greenspan, both Pilgrims Society members, financed $240 billion in illegal bonds to economically decimate the Soviet Union and bring Soviet oil and gas resources under the control of Western investors, backed by the Black Eagle Trust and supported later by Putin who for the right price purged certain oligarchs."

He has been bought and paid for!
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I appreciate your interest but it looks like you missed 99,9% of this article. Let me help you - the article is about that westerners and mainly Americans (or more correctly the ruling elite) are bunch of swindlers and looters. They try to takeover control of Russian oil industry and wealth and loot it as they did in multiple other countries. In fact in this relatively long article is Putin named only three times. But there are many times named another persons, mainly from American government, secret services or financial sector. Some of them repeatedly. Of course you picked up that what is in accordance with your previous statements. Independent person at its best! But put it aside.

All mess with oligarchs (mainly western backed) is remnant of a coup attempt at early 90s (western backed according this article) and mainly it is a legacy of the Yeltsin era. Don't forget that putin is the president of the Russian federation since end of 1999 respectively May of 2000. 10 years of western owned or backed companies were able grow through the Russian business, oil industry and aother business with Russian resources. All of that I already said - Putin had to deal with very well organized and dangerous criminals backed and connected directly to the American government.

As I also said Putins agenda is mainly to keep Russian reasources, wealth and its control in Russia. It's not in conflict with the activities of foreign companies. Those companies just have to do what government want. What RUSSIAN government want. And it is reason for all this shitstorm.

But of course we can accept your "He's one of them!" statement. In that case surelly you are able to explain why each of his actions infuriated the West, why he is attacked by western hegemons every time, when is some Russian oligarch jailed and why he does everything possible to break free of the influence of the West and its attempts to loot Russia.

But, after all, all what I say all the time is that western elites try to build worldwide hegemony, steal resources and rule the world. I support Russia for its fight against those criminals, for its sovereignty and its wealth. It is fight against the worst criminals and it is fight not only for Russia but for all decent people, good citizens of all countries affected by criminal activities of the looting cabal. And your misunderstanding of my words is not my problem at all.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Everywhere they try to tell you Putin is "One of THEM" - you have to wonder why that is. They know they can't beat him, drives them nuts, so they say, "well he's one of us, don't be fooled, he's no better".
Well, actions speak louder than words ... Well said ZOD
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A tiger never changes his stripes remember that...
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WAKE UP PEOPLE !
The change in the cuban policy to remove sanctions is aimed at the russian people. Crush russias economy pile on sanctions, wait till the russian people panic, which they are now. Then remove sanctions from cuba.
They are trying to use cuba as an example eg look if we remove sanctions cuba will prosper a d the people will be happy. They are useing cuba to make the russian people revolt on putin and remove him from power so they to can have sanctions removed as well. ITS ALL A SHOW FOR RUSSIA.......
 Quoting: THE WATCHER 66141899


No. Wait. Cuba knows the vultures they are dealing with have a slipknot around their necks. You don't get something from the u.s. without holding your country hostage with a gun to your head.
I want to know what happened to Cuba's gov't we don't know about.
The Cubans KNOW the kind of devil they're dealing with. A military base..that's an OVER for me.

Putin has already stated he sees the u.s. is attempting to disintegrate and fragment Russia on the inside. No surprises there.
 Quoting: DawaSatso


True, this is something very strange going on - but then the whole Cuba thing has been strange from the start.
I think this is their attempt to isolate Russia from its allies/friends now, but gets bought will eventually fall hard. Dirty money has never brought luck in the long term.
 Quoting: Bes Maat

Good insight here :)
Yet we've seen this isolate from allie approach so many times or intimidate allies with a desperate catch-22 so they don't dare make any moves of support toward their allies in distress.
SOP tool.
Why would Cuba sellout on a reliable support and go with one they know is going to fuck you over every single time.
This is too improbable to be real.
 Quoting: DawaSatso


Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Oh ... lol that would be funny. cool2
But that would mean the US Administration is more stupid than even I thought they are. I don't think that's possible.

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People still haven't learned to look past the MSM hype during any major event and instead inform themselves. Press Freedom doesn't exist, only the few in charge of this theater have the freedom to form your opinion by spreading their version of events. Be careful guys!
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I have to say this is your best post on the thread!!

As I said many times before, putin is not on russias side! He's one of them!

"In September 1991, George H. W. Bush and Alan Greenspan, both Pilgrims Society members, financed $240 billion in illegal bonds to economically decimate the Soviet Union and bring Soviet oil and gas resources under the control of Western investors, backed by the Black Eagle Trust and supported later by Putin who for the right price purged certain oligarchs."

He has been bought and paid for!
 Quoting: KipKat


I appreciate your interest but it looks like you missed 99,9% of this article. Let me help you - the article is about that westerners and mainly Americans (or more correctly the ruling elite) are bunch of swindlers and looters. They try to takeover control of Russian oil industry and wealth and loot it as they did in multiple other countries. In fact in this relatively long article is Putin named only three times. But there are many times named another persons, mainly from American government, secret services or financial sector. Some of them repeatedly. Of course you picked up that what is in accordance with your previous statements. Independent person at its best! But put it aside.

All mess with oligarchs (mainly western backed) is remnant of a coup attempt at early 90s (western backed according this article) and mainly it is a legacy of the Yeltsin era. Don't forget that putin is the president of the Russian federation since end of 1999 respectively May of 2000. 10 years of western owned or backed companies were able grow through the Russian business, oil industry and aother business with Russian resources. All of that I already said - Putin had to deal with very well organized and dangerous criminals backed and connected directly to the American government.

As I also said Putins agenda is mainly to keep Russian reasources, wealth and its control in Russia. It's not in conflict with the activities of foreign companies. Those companies just have to do what government want. What RUSSIAN government want. And it is reason for all this shitstorm.

But of course we can accept your "He's one of them!" statement. In that case surelly you are able to explain why each of his actions infuriated the West, why he is attacked by western hegemons every time, when is some Russian oligarch jailed and why he does everything possible to break free of the influence of the West and its attempts to loot Russia.

But, after all, all what I say all the time is that western elites try to build worldwide hegemony, steal resources and rule the world. I support Russia for its fight against those criminals, for its sovereignty and its wealth. It is fight against the worst criminals and it is fight not only for Russia but for all decent people, good citizens of all countries affected by criminal activities of the looting cabal. And your misunderstanding of my words is not my problem at all.
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Everywhere they try to tell you Putin is "One of THEM" - you have to wonder why that is. They know they can't beat him, drives them nuts, so they say, "well he's one of us, don't be fooled, he's no better".
Well, actions speak louder than words ... Well said ZOD
 Quoting: Bes Maat


A tiger never changes his stripes remember that...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65700688


That's a very narrow minded way to look at things...what, you were part of this thing 30 years ago? BAM, that's how you are etc...
People evolve just like the geopolitical, economical and financial system has evolved. And ever heard of double/triple agents? What do we know really about Mr. Putin hm? But what I see is, Russia is like someone else put it correctly, I think it was Taskforce88 words in Israel thread, they're just reacting to the Wests move. Someone should look at the other side that is provoking all this "crisis" to begin with.
People still haven't learned to look past the MSM hype during any major event and instead inform themselves. Press Freedom doesn't exist, only the few in charge of this theater have the freedom to form your opinion by spreading their version of events. Be careful guys!
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major change in position RT @MoscowTimes: Lavrov: Not Pushing 4Ukraine Federalization USE_FULL_LINK_PLEASEqmPue4nObd - Putin want to make peace?
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EU losing trust in Ukraine

Europe is fed up with Kiev’s demands, the Ukrainian media report Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has not even been invited to the EU summit on Ukraine.

"The EU Council’s new President Donald Tusk raised objections. He insists that this is not the right time for such a visit and that it’s better he doesn’t come," the local media report.
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Russia has no plans to annex war-torn eastern Ukraine, whose fate is for Ukrainians to decide, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.

"We are not suggesting federalization [of Ukraine], we're not suggesting autonomy," Lavrov said in an interview to France-24 television channel aired Tuesday.

"It's for Ukrainians to decide," the minister said in an English-language interview.
[link to www.themoscowtimes.com]
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