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Nordic Wolf
User ID: 1269431 Switzerland 03/19/2014 02:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Haha this would really add a dimension to this whole mess.. Maybe this is why Putin wanted to move so fast? So that the turks didnt have time to claim Crimea.. Quoting: Nordic Wolf Arash Karami ‏@thekarami 1 tim If Crimea declares independence it returns to Turkey, according to Ottoman Empire treaty with Catherine the Great Now we're talking! I'd like to see the text of that treaty. There is a link in this thread.. Maybe there is something there. :) Thread: TURKEY: Under Ottoman Empire treaty with Catherine the Great if Crimea declares independence it returns to Turkey Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |
Nordic Wolf
User ID: 1269431 Switzerland 03/19/2014 02:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55616071 There is, don't worry, also here, Libya and Syria and many other places. But that won't be published in MSM Well thats like saying "Yes I do have proof.. I just dont have it on me right now".. Seems alot of that going around on all sides lately.. Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54888721 Bulgaria 03/19/2014 03:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Haha this would really add a dimension to this whole mess.. Maybe this is why Putin wanted to move so fast? So that the turks didnt have time to claim Crimea.. Quoting: Nordic Wolf Arash Karami ‏@thekarami 1 tim If Crimea declares independence it returns to Turkey, according to Ottoman Empire treaty with Catherine the Great Now we're talking! I'd like to see the text of that treaty. There is a link in this thread.. Maybe there is something there. :) Thread: TURKEY: Under Ottoman Empire treaty with Catherine the Great if Crimea declares independence it returns to Turkey There isn't Ottoman empire and there isn't Russian Tsarist empire as well. What we have is post-WW2 reality made by the victory of the USSR-USA-UK alliance, and post-Cold War adjustment of that reality. Let also notice that UNSC and the entire structure of international security is based on the post-WW2 balance of powers. Thus, Germany the strongest economic in Europe is not counted in, so are not countries like India, Brazil whose GDP rises at fast pace. Let alone their nuclear potential. Perhaps it is wise to talk of Germany Brazil S.Africa and Japan as paranuclear states that could produce nukes in very short terms should they are pressed to do so. In other words, to rewrite history is not wise and will ultimately lead to new world war. And here I agree with Kerry. |
JazzyG
Forum Administrator User ID: 5725534 United States 03/19/2014 03:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Turkey is NOT gonna like this: Crimean Tatars Will Have to Vacate Land – Official MOSCOW, March 18 (RIA Novosti) – Ukraine’s breakaway region of Crimea will ask Tatars to vacate part of the land where they now live in exchange for new territory elsewhere in the region, a top Crimean government official said Tuesday. [link to en.ria.ru] To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders. A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock. A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him. INTP-A |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54888721 Bulgaria 03/19/2014 03:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 EU never bothered to decide the problems of its new Eastern members to the level of rural communities. If you walk thru the capitals of the former socialist countries you will awe how much they look like their western counterparts. Forget the capitals and go into the rural reality. Instead of fixing everyday problems, EU donations created a class of superrich billionaires in these countries. That of course didn't help EU and instead of being tronger after adding so many new economies inside it entered into its biggest crisis in history. Spain and Greece are the two examples that easily could be followed by Italy, and even by mighty France. Now EU offers similar models if not exactly the same to Ukraine. Ukraine is torn apart by interior controversies. How does EU think to decide Ukrainian problems if Kiev signs tomorrow an agreement? By pouring inside the dairy products of Netherlands and German industrial products? Sure there are corrupt millionaires in Ukraine who will be glad to shop the same in Kiev as they now do in Koeln. For them that is not the problem. EU is heading towards the bottom and will crash due to its own weight. So it looks for exporting the crisis outside. Why didn't they accept Turkey after Turkey faithfully served "The West" during the entire Cold War and applied for EU membership for decades? Only because the Turks are Muslim? Paris and London also have Muslim population. Let alone Germany who invited millions of gastarbeiters from Turkey during the era of Socialism in the East. May be to show how better the Western system is. What happens now with these people? EU is endangered by its own double and triple standards and not by Ukraine Russians who don't want it. USA can help save EU from itself if there is still what to save. As the things go, we are talking of superrich North-West of EU from England to German eastern border, and much poorer South flooded by African immigrants. Is this the dreamland promised back in 1989 and being one of the strong reasons for the peaceful defeat of Socialism? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55491577 United States 03/19/2014 03:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Turkey is NOT gonna like this: Quoting: JazzyG Crimean Tatars Will Have to Vacate Land – Official MOSCOW, March 18 (RIA Novosti) – Ukraine’s breakaway region of Crimea will ask Tatars to vacate part of the land where they now live in exchange for new territory elsewhere in the region, a top Crimean government official said Tuesday. [link to en.ria.ru] No they won't. This is what they have been worried about all along and were not a month in and for them the clock is rolling back by decades now. |
JazzyG
Forum Administrator User ID: 5725534 United States 03/19/2014 03:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Turkey is NOT gonna like this: Quoting: JazzyG Crimean Tatars Will Have to Vacate Land – Official MOSCOW, March 18 (RIA Novosti) – Ukraine’s breakaway region of Crimea will ask Tatars to vacate part of the land where they now live in exchange for new territory elsewhere in the region, a top Crimean government official said Tuesday. [link to en.ria.ru] No they won't. This is what they have been worried about all along and were not a month in and for them the clock is rolling back by decades now. Yep. This could mean a whole new level of doom in a very short time. Putin has absolutely no love for anything muslim and will not tolerate being dictated to by any of them. To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders. A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock. A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him. INTP-A |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 53277355 North Macedonia 03/19/2014 03:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Haha this would really add a dimension to this whole mess.. Maybe this is why Putin wanted to move so fast? So that the turks didnt have time to claim Crimea.. Quoting: Nordic Wolf Arash Karami ‏@thekarami 1 tim If Crimea declares independence it returns to Turkey, according to Ottoman Empire treaty with Catherine the Great Now we're talking! I'd like to see the text of that treaty. There is a link in this thread.. Maybe there is something there. :) Thread: TURKEY: Under Ottoman Empire treaty with Catherine the Great if Crimea declares independence it returns to Turkey Neither of those countries exists today, so the agreement is void! Btw, Crimea declared independence and request of unification with Russia which was already ratified... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55488284 Canada 03/19/2014 03:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Turkey is NOT gonna like this: Quoting: JazzyG Crimean Tatars Will Have to Vacate Land – Official MOSCOW, March 18 (RIA Novosti) – Ukraine’s breakaway region of Crimea will ask Tatars to vacate part of the land where they now live in exchange for new territory elsewhere in the region, a top Crimean government official said Tuesday. [link to en.ria.ru] Why did the new government/Russians 'rush' so much to make this known? And what are the specifics? How many are affected, why no one bothered until now, etc? What are Crymean Tatar leaders saying? It is possible they need to be moved right away, but to me it seems more likely this is a generous gift from Russians. They are sending a strong message to the 'socii', and the message is they are not building a xenophobic nation state, but an empire. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54317569 United States 03/19/2014 03:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 BREAKING AP reporting storming of #Ukraine navy headquarters in #Sevastopol by pro #Russia forces [link to twitter.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54317569 United States 03/19/2014 03:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 AP: AP photographer says Crimea self-defence forces have stormed Ukrainian navy headquarters in Sevastopol [link to twitter.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55491577 United States 03/19/2014 03:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Turkey is NOT gonna like this: Quoting: JazzyG Crimean Tatars Will Have to Vacate Land – Official MOSCOW, March 18 (RIA Novosti) – Ukraine’s breakaway region of Crimea will ask Tatars to vacate part of the land where they now live in exchange for new territory elsewhere in the region, a top Crimean government official said Tuesday. [link to en.ria.ru] Why did the new government/Russians 'rush' so much to make this known? And what are the specifics? How many are affected, why no one bothered until now, etc? What are Crymean Tatar leaders saying? It is possible they need to be moved right away, but to me it seems more likely this is a generous gift from Russians. They are sending a strong message to the 'socii', and the message is they are not building a xenophobic nation state, but an empire. I would imagine they are in line with Turkey honestly. Your not talking a couple thousand people either. Probably more like a quarter million in Ukraine alone. They are opening Pandoras box by pushing this and turkey has said all song there security is of the upmost importance not onlky for Turkey but the effect it will have on destabalising the entire area. As to why they rushed I have no idea but Stalin didnt play games with them either and that hatred is alive and well right now. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54888721 Bulgaria 03/19/2014 03:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 AP: AP photographer says Crimea self-defence forces have stormed Ukrainian navy headquarters in Sevastopol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54317569 [link to twitter.com (secure)] so much of the truce and ultimatum of 21st. This is it. Putin waited until sign with Crimea and now starts the real things |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55651721 United States 03/19/2014 03:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Damon M. Wilson ‏@DamonMacWilson · 31m Arrived in #Norway as 16,000 @NATO troops begin cold-weather exercise on Russian-Norway border: #reassurance [link to www.ibtimes.com] … |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54888721 Bulgaria 03/19/2014 03:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 unfortunately there is no way at the moment to change thinking of Kremlin leaders. It remains EU to change thinking or the big war is a done fact. I supposed change in Russian leadership but this is the last thing to be done in external crisis as they call it. Perhaps at one future moment it will be done. Perhaps in the course of the war when the lack of military skills transpire in the current Kremlin leadership. Every general could see that much clearer than I do. But for now "united they stand". |
Nordic Wolf
User ID: 1269431 Switzerland 03/19/2014 03:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Crimean forces storm Ukrainian navy HQ [link to hosted.ap.org] … Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55488284 Canada 03/19/2014 03:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 AP: AP photographer says Crimea self-defence forces have stormed Ukrainian navy headquarters in Sevastopol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54317569 [link to twitter.com (secure)] so much of the truce and ultimatum of 21st. This is it. Putin waited until sign with Crimea and now starts the real things AP photographer? So where are the photos? |
WhatsItAllAbout Alfie
User ID: 23734716 United States 03/19/2014 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Let's be real. Ukraine taking on Russia is like the South Dakota National Guard taking on the U.S. Army. Quoting: WhatsItAllAbout Alfie It's the Bilderburges, the NWO, Neo Cons knowing that time is running out. Didn't Obama just mention time is short. He was endorsed by Henry Kissenger when first elected. To bring on 1000 points of light. So far he has been in office for 6 years. He has only 2 years left. you forgot kissinger also said barry will get 3rd term if he doesn't finish what he's doing No way. Enough already. |
Nordic Wolf
User ID: 1269431 Switzerland 03/19/2014 03:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Putin: "We have no intention to annex crimea" - Crimea is annexed Putin: "We will not drive the tatars away" - The tatars are being driven away. Putin: "We call a truce until the 21st of march" - Killings and assault beeing done (18th/19th of march). Putin: "We have no intention of going in to eastern Ukraine" - ??? His credibility seems solid dont you think?? Last Edited by Nordic Wolf on 03/19/2014 03:46 AM Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |
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Limpan
User ID: 1474973 Sweden 03/19/2014 03:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Morning people!!! Calm morning!! Is Friday the day??? Soldiers have to leave there bases then. Ukraine in Basel today to sign further corporation. With EU. Swedish media reporting another military base being stormed right now. |
Nordic Wolf
User ID: 1269431 Switzerland 03/19/2014 03:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Morning people!!! Quoting: Limpan Calm morning!! Is Friday the day??? Soldiers have to leave there bases then. Ukraine in Basel today to sign further corporation. With EU. Swedish media reporting another military base being stormed right now. Morning.. Not so quiet, it all started with an assault on Navy HQ in sevastopol. :) Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55488284 Canada 03/19/2014 03:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Putin: "We have no intention to annex crimea" - Crimea is annexed Quoting: Nordic Wolf Putin: "We will not drive the tatars away" - The tatars are being driven away. Putin: "We call a truce until the 21st of march" - Killings and assault beeing done (18th/19th of march). Putin: "We have no intention of going in to eastern Ukraine" - ??? His credibility seems solid dont you think?? Yeah! Next time they should send a handful of Tatars with boxcutters to destroy half of Moscow before they make such obviously false statements. And rename the tatar sauce into freedom sauce. |
JazzyG
Forum Administrator User ID: 5725534 United States 03/19/2014 03:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Russia, Crimea Sign Historic Reunification Treaty (RIA Novosti) – Russian President Vladimir Putin and the leaders of Crimea signed a treaty Tuesday reunifying the Ukrainian breakaway region with Russia after 60 years as part of Ukraine. [link to en.ria.ru] To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders. A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock. A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him. INTP-A |
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JazzyG
Forum Administrator User ID: 5725534 United States 03/19/2014 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Livestream of Svestopol Navy Headquarters: [link to www.ustream.tv] To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders. A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock. A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him. INTP-A |
Nordic Wolf
User ID: 1269431 Switzerland 03/19/2014 03:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Shaun Walker‏@shaunwalker7·6 min Crimean interior ministry says shooter at base yesterday was a 17 year old from Lviv, probably of Pravy Sektor, shooting at both sides. Hmm. No 3rd force crap.. Just a nut case... Loosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth. ~Ludwig Börne Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance. ~George Bernard Shaw |
JazzyG
Forum Administrator User ID: 5725534 United States 03/19/2014 04:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Crimean forces storm Ukrainian navy HQ SEVASTOPOL, Crimea (AP) -- Crimea's self-defense forces on Wednesday stormed the Ukrainian navy base in the Black Sea port of Sevastopol a day after Russia signed a treaty with local authorities to annex the region. [link to hosted.ap.org] To know where your heart is, look where your mind goes when it wanders. A rock in bad hands killed Abel. A rock in good hands killed Goliath. It isn't about the rock. A true warrior fights not because he hates the one in front of him, but because he loves those behind him. INTP-A |