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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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those that voted yes were affirming their approval of the nazi takeover in Ukraine and showing a willingness to return to statist collectivism (Agenda 21) sponsored by the Vatican.
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wtfdid
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


both Stalin and Hitler were Jesuits which is why I said a "return" to statism.

China and Russia are moving away that sort of thing as the west is moving towards it. (Agenda 21)
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I still don't understand why they were "affirming their approval of the nazi takeover in Ukraine". The vote regarded the validity of the Crimean declaration of independence, and had nothing to do with the putsch in Kiev. I doubt most of the countries voting thought they were approving the coup; under one conception of international law a region of a country cannot split off legally, regardless of the circumstances.

Also I don't understand what the Vatican has to do with sponsoring Agenda 21 (which is a non-binding UN program) but I leave that for another thread :).

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If you want a vote to represent what those voting REALLY think it has to be by secret ballot. That applies to individuals, UN Representatives, or legislators IMO. If the vote isn't secret there are too many ways to coerce an outcome. Just my two cents.
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What? A speech at 4am? Doesn't look good if true.
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hidingwtf
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Proper TV - Direct Broadcast Live Press Conference of the President of Ukraine VF Yanukovych




Press Conference of the President of Ukraine VF Yanukovych from Rostov-on-Don
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So, it's actually 3pm?
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Yes. The video had the wrong time when it started which led to some confusion. they corrected that.

my favourite comment from that page.

Yanukovych: "I rested. I come"

surely RT will broadcast and provide a live translation
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gandalf greybeard ‏@gerrydogma 4m

WSJ : Russian troops massing near UKR actively concealing positions & establishing supply lines that could be used in a prolonged deployment





gandalf greybeard ‏@gerrydogma 1m

WSJ : US fears stoked by rapid speed of Russian deployments and efforts to camouflage forces + IC struggling with assessing Putin intentions
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why the big countdown tho theyve staryted counting down from like 6 hours ago very strange to start countdown that early
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As Janey pointed out, if the purpose of the speech is to add legitimacy to a Russian intervention in mainland Ukraine, then the Russians would likely already have started moving in by the time the speech actually starts. Similar to Bush's speech at the start of the Iraq war. Makes for an interesting 12 hour countdown. Hopefully it won't happen but it is hard not to wonder the way things are setting up right now.
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gandalf greybeard ‏@gerrydogma · 52s
WSJ : Military officials said the camouflaging has further complicated U.S. efforts to assess the size and scope of the military forces
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why the big countdown tho theyve staryted counting down from like 6 hours ago very strange to start countdown that early
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ikr...I found that a little strange too.
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As Janey pointed out, if the purpose of the speech is to add legitimacy to a Russian intervention in mainland Ukraine, then the Russians would likely already have started moving in by the time the speech actually starts. Similar to Bush's speech at the start of the Iraq war. Makes for an interesting 12 hour countdown. Hopefully it won't happen but it is hard not to wonder the way things are setting up right now.
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We'll know in the next few hours. It's 2:30am in the URK. If the Russians come it will likely be just before daybreak
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gandalf greybeard ‏@gerrydogma · 52s
WSJ : Military officials said the camouflaging has further complicated U.S. efforts to assess the size and scope of the military forces
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Not exactly a ragtag group of insurgents in Toyota trucks now is it.
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Since you refuse to use your own brain, let me spell it out for you: how is Russia "isolated", or how has it "lost", when countries representing 2/3 of the world's population say what it did is OK?

There is no logic at all to pointing out 2/3ds of the world's population is under governments that are fine with Crimea declaring independence. Really? That to you means nothing? What's more important is the number of ambassadors that voted "Yes" at the UN?

Sorry if this is a bit hard to grasp. But if you try to understand the situation rather than score some cheap propaganda victory maybe you will start to understand, not just this event, but all the events about to unfold ....
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Crimea didn't declare independence. Governments that "represent" people can be fine with anything. With Gulag Archipelago, occupation of Tibet or prevention of independence of Kashmir.
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What? First the Crimean Parliament declared independence from Ukraine - [link to www.npr.org] - and then the people by referendum ratified that - [link to en.wikipedia.org] ("Many Western and Ukrainian commentators argued that both choices [on the Crimean referendum ballot] would result in de facto separation from Ukraine.")
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KGB is history - they failed to overthrow Gorby and now there are new agencies. I don't pretend Russia is always my friend, there are many things I don't like about Russia. But there are also many things I like about the US government. In this particular case I support the (democratic) re-unification of the Russian people across national boundaries drawn by the Bolsheviks; I would also support re-unification of the Koreas, and I fully supported the re-unification of Germany and that of China (with Hong Kong - Taiwan I would do if done democratically). In this regard I am quite consistent.
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As Janey pointed out, if the purpose of the speech is to add legitimacy to a Russian intervention in mainland Ukraine, then the Russians would likely already have started moving in by the time the speech actually starts. Similar to Bush's speech at the start of the Iraq war. Makes for an interesting 12 hour countdown. Hopefully it won't happen but it is hard not to wonder the way things are setting up right now.
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We'll know in the next few hours. It's 2:30am in the URK. If the Russians come it will likely be just before daybreak
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so much for goign to bed early huh newshunter?
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Russian Buildup Stokes Worries
Pentagon Alarmed as Troops Mass Near Ukraine Border
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gandalf greybeard ‏@gerrydogma 4m

WSJ : Russian troops massing near UKR actively concealing positions & establishing supply lines that could be used in a prolonged deployment





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WSJ : US fears stoked by rapid speed of Russian deployments and efforts to camouflage forces + IC struggling with assessing Putin intentions
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US should show evidence of these troop deployments and supply lines.
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WSJ : Russian troops massing near UKR actively concealing positions & establishing supply lines that could be used in a prolonged deployment





gandalf greybeard ‏@gerrydogma 1m

WSJ : US fears stoked by rapid speed of Russian deployments and efforts to camouflage forces + IC struggling with assessing Putin intentions
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Maybe the Intelligence Community (IC) should stop taking selfies and do their job interpreting intel!!! WTF
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As Janey pointed out, if the purpose of the speech is to add legitimacy to a Russian intervention in mainland Ukraine, then the Russians would likely already have started moving in by the time the speech actually starts. Similar to Bush's speech at the start of the Iraq war. Makes for an interesting 12 hour countdown. Hopefully it won't happen but it is hard not to wonder the way things are setting up right now.
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We'll know in the next few hours. It's 2:30am in the URK. If the Russians come it will likely be just before daybreak
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They certainly aren't likely to wait until the afternoon when the speech is scheduled. That would make no sense at all. I agree that if that is the purpose of the speech then the Russian move should come much sooner. Not long to wait.
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gandalf greybeard ‏@gerrydogma · 52s
WSJ : Military officials said the camouflaging has further complicated U.S. efforts to assess the size and scope of the military forces
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Not exactly a ragtag group of insurgents in Toyota trucks now is it.
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LOL, "technicals"....
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if operations begin how long will it take before we the public would know about it
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if operations begin how long will it take before we the public would know about it
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GLP 10-15 min

MSM 2-3 hours
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if operations begin how long will it take before we the public would know about it
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Can be as little as like an hour, or up to 12. Depending...
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Big time jamming going on....

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Kiev sunrise is at 5:44 AM local time. About three hours from now.
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if operations begin how long will it take before we the public would know about it
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GLP 10-15 min

MSM 2-3 hours
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hesright
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if operations begin how long will it take before we the public would know about it
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This is GLP. Like 5 minutes bro!!
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if operations begin how long will it take before we the public would know about it
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not very long at all. expect mdm to delay a bit till they have their script and great video and photo of the invaders lol
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Big time jamming going on....

8992.00

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any idea on location that's taking place in? wether that would be europe or middle east?
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Big time jamming going on....

8992.00

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You know, I was about to say you don't know what you're talking about blah blah blah. So I went on over popped in 8992.00 and holy crap, I've never ever seen a big ass laser beam that wide blowing out all communications in those freqs like ever in the years I've monitored.

By jove, I think you're correct. Whatever that is it's blocking everything in a wide ass spectrum.
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Soyuz TMA-10M spacecraft carrying an American astronaut and two Russian cosmonauts docks at the International Space Station. _LIVE

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damn a world power has to hitch a ride in space from a regional power.

how pathetic
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Big time jamming going on....

8992.00

[link to websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901]
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any idea on location that's taking place in? wether that would be europe or middle east?
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13200 is fine.
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Big time jamming going on....

8992.00

[link to websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901]
 Quoting: JazzyG


any idea on location that's taking place in? wether that would be europe or middle east?
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it seemed to be widely dispersed...multiple frequencies

it has stopped now
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