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User ID: 34754802 Russia 05/24/2014 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 And again: do you really can say if they are Chechens or Osetins? "When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901) "But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008) "Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings" "Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew) Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat. "Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one. Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation! Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 40446176 Slovenia 05/24/2014 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55340581 I think you are correct. The Air Force can do the job but Turchynov is waiting until after elections to allow the elected President to make the call. I,m sure Putin will have a massive anti aircraft defense system in place all along the Russian/Ukrianian border. Could be just a wee bit of a deterrent. And this of cours. S-400 got 600 km range I believe. More than enough ;) If the Ukrainian air force started bombing civilian areas in the east, then Putin could claim he was protecting civilians by destroying the attackers. And he would have a point... Just like the Hinds are dropping same the Migs would. I believe seperatists were armed directly by red army. And IF they would need any particular counter weapon--the border is close. They would just ordered it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58417703 Portugal 05/24/2014 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I wonder no one is giving report about Rubezhnoye (Lugansk region) battle fight. There are some seriously destroyed pro-ukraine military vehicles and APCs including many casualties. Quoting: abraka_dabraka pics: [link to www.militaryphotos.net] [link to www.militaryphotos.net] [link to www.militaryphotos.net] [link to www.militaryphotos.net] video: [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] why nazi RussiaToday TV will not show it: [link to www.google.com (secure)] |
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User ID: 52431909 Ireland 05/24/2014 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 And again: do you really can say if they are Chechens or Osetins? Stupid shills think they gonna change people minds if they involve Muslims. These people from Chechenya and Ossetia are not muslims. They are Orthodox christians I believe. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 40446176 Slovenia 05/24/2014 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 And again: do you really can say if they are Chechens or Osetins? Stupid shills think they gonna change people minds if they involve Muslims. These people from Chechenya and Ossetia are not muslims. They are Orthodox christians I believe. Vostok batallion are Muslims. They've been chanting alahsnackbar on their videos. |
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User ID: 34754802 Russia 05/24/2014 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Two things: 1. Diplomacy - politician's words, actions and thoughts are three different things. Often not connected at all. 2. There are things called aging and experience. First one changes appearance, second - behavior. If you can't read diplomatic speech, don't try to discuss conspiracies. It's almost the same level of complexity here. Last Edited by Tamonten on 05/24/2014 10:13 AM "When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901) "But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008) "Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings" "Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew) Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat. "Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one. Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation! Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56032483 Luxembourg 05/24/2014 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55340581 I think you are correct. The Air Force can do the job but Turchynov is waiting until after elections to allow the elected President to make the call. I,m sure Putin will have a massive anti aircraft defense system in place all along the Russian/Ukrianian border. Could be just a wee bit of a deterrent. And this of cours. S-400 got 600 km range I believe. More than enough ;) So you think Putin is going to launch anti-aircraft missiles into Ukraine at Ukrainian jets? Hopefully neither you nor Putin are that stupid. yes there are precedents in international law created in Lybia, Iraq etc allowing him to establish a no fly zone in order to protect civilians. Like in Crimea the Kosovo precedent, that to declare independence one does not need permission from central gov. according to UN court, was used. |
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User ID: 52431909 Ireland 05/24/2014 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 These people from Chechenya and Ossetia are not muslims. They are Orthodox christians I believe. Vostok batallion are Muslims. They've been chanting alahsnackbar on their videos. I cant see the Muslims fighting for the Russians....but I may be wrong??? I thought that if any Muslims were thinking of heading to Ukraine it would have been to try and bolster a Saudi/CIA backed jihad, by the Crimean Tatars against the Russians.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6428218 United States 05/24/2014 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Putin is such a flaming hypocrite. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56977037 Putin today - \'US backed the \'coup\' that now threatens civil yar in Ukraine\' The government in Kiev is not a coup. The government in Kiev did not cause the unrest in the east. This thread is getting dumber by the day because of shills like you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55340581 Ukraine 05/24/2014 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Maxim Eristavi @MaximEristavi Denis Pushilin, DPR separatist leader fires up crowd with news of union with Luhansk rebels [link to pic.twitter.com] The man beside him is Ukraine MP Oleh Tsaryov and runs for Pres. A Ukrainian politician siding with terrorists AGAINST his country that he is supposed to be a protector of? Imagine this in your own country. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40446176 Slovenia 05/24/2014 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 These people from Chechenya and Ossetia are not muslims. They are Orthodox christians I believe. Vostok batallion are Muslims. They've been chanting alahsnackbar on their videos. I cant see the Muslims fighting for the Russians....but I may be wrong??? I thought that if any Muslims were thinking of heading to Ukraine it would have been to try and bolster a Saudi/CIA backed jihad, by the Crimean Tatars against the Russians.. I know its stupid. They would have to send them into hardcore Orthodox area. People are very reliugious in this parts of the world. Besides they couldnt just mingle with the area. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40446176 Slovenia 05/24/2014 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Maxim Eristavi @MaximEristavi Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55340581 Denis Pushilin, DPR separatist leader fires up crowd with news of union with Luhansk rebels [link to pic.twitter.com] The man beside him is Ukraine MP Oleh Tsaryov and runs for Pres. A Ukrainian politician siding with terrorists AGAINST his country that he is supposed to be a protector of? Imagine this in your own country. You have to deal with it and just let them go. These people have decided their faith. They want Russia NOT Ukraine. Same as in Yugo--just let them go and consider Will of the people. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56032483 Luxembourg 05/24/2014 10:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: firinne These people from Chechenya and Ossetia are not muslims. They are Orthodox christians I believe. Vostok batallion are Muslims. They've been chanting alahsnackbar on their videos. I cant see the Muslims fighting for the Russians....but I may be wrong??? I thought that if any Muslims were thinking of heading to Ukraine it would have been to try and bolster a Saudi/CIA backed jihad, by the Crimean Tatars against the Russians.. I know its stupid. They would have to send them into hardcore Orthodox area. People are very reliugious in this parts of the world. Besides they couldnt just mingle with the area. look those guys are prob. ossetians. There is not much work in Ossetia, economy is not really that great so there might be many volunteers from there or even mercs. Chechens I doubt it since they would stand out too much bc of their religion in that conflict. If there are chechens there then it is a small number of Kadyrov's spetsnaz chechen death squads and those guys certainly won't parade on pics. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55340581 Ukraine 05/24/2014 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Maxim Eristavi @MaximEristavi Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55340581 Denis Pushilin, DPR separatist leader fires up crowd with news of union with Luhansk rebels [link to pic.twitter.com] The man beside him is Ukraine MP Oleh Tsaryov and runs for Pres. A Ukrainian politician siding with terrorists AGAINST his country that he is supposed to be a protector of? Imagine this in your own country. You have to deal with it and just let them go. These people have decided their faith. They want Russia NOT Ukraine. Same as in Yugo--just let them go and consider Will of the people. No they the people of Donbas do not. The people of Donbas themselves are mostly for unified Ukraine. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56032483 Luxembourg 05/24/2014 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Maxim Eristavi @MaximEristavi Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55340581 Denis Pushilin, DPR separatist leader fires up crowd with news of union with Luhansk rebels [link to pic.twitter.com] The man beside him is Ukraine MP Oleh Tsaryov and runs for Pres. A Ukrainian politician siding with terrorists AGAINST his country that he is supposed to be a protector of? Imagine this in your own country. You have to deal with it and just let them go. These people have decided their faith. They want Russia NOT Ukraine. Same as in Yugo--just let them go and consider Will of the people. No they the people of Donbas do not. The people of Donbas themselves are mostly for unified Ukraine. you watch too much ukr msm |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40446176 Slovenia 05/24/2014 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Maxim Eristavi @MaximEristavi Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55340581 Denis Pushilin, DPR separatist leader fires up crowd with news of union with Luhansk rebels [link to pic.twitter.com] The man beside him is Ukraine MP Oleh Tsaryov and runs for Pres. A Ukrainian politician siding with terrorists AGAINST his country that he is supposed to be a protector of? Imagine this in your own country. You have to deal with it and just let them go. These people have decided their faith. They want Russia NOT Ukraine. Same as in Yugo--just let them go and consider Will of the people. No they the people of Donbas do not. The people of Donbas themselves are mostly for unified Ukraine. No they are not. Eminem says it best: If anything they want federalisation ;) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58307179 United States 05/24/2014 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Maxim Eristavi @MaximEristavi Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55340581 Denis Pushilin, DPR separatist leader fires up crowd with news of union with Luhansk rebels [link to pic.twitter.com] The man beside him is Ukraine MP Oleh Tsaryov and runs for Pres. A Ukrainian politician siding with terrorists AGAINST his country that he is supposed to be a protector of? Imagine this in your own country. You have to deal with it and just let them go. These people have decided their faith. They want Russia NOT Ukraine. Same as in Yugo--just let them go and consider Will of the people. No they the people of Donbas do not. The people of Donbas themselves are mostly for unified Ukraine. This controversy over who the people in the east and south really support is what drives these internet fights. I am actually more interested in the voting tomorrow in Oblasts in that area that have NOT declared their independence. Will there be reliable reporting of turnout in those regions? Who is observing that is trustworthy? Kiev cannot afford for people to vote with their feet there. No one expects turnout in Luhansk or Donetsk because of the fighting. If the other areas don't vote, or conversely, if they do, then we may learn something about what people really think. |
Iskander User ID: 48349548 Sweden 05/24/2014 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56977037 WHERE THE HELL IS THE UKRAINIAN AIR FORCE?? Why does it not attack and destroy easily visible rebel convoys after their enter from #Russia?! /\ He's right you know! Ukraine has a capable air force that can precision bomb. After the elections, its gone be bombs galore though. If they want mass civilian casualties like in Syria, sure they can call in air force. What PUTIN wants is mass civilian casualties like Syria, and will try it even if it's his men that have to do it and frame Ukrainians for it. Ukraine is aware of Putin's games however. We know him well. As for the Air Force, they can handle their jobs far better than you give credit. Judging by the available information, Ukraine only has a few dozen servicable combat aircraft, mostly Su-25 and some Mig-29 and Su-27. Even the Hind's are flying less sorties now in certain areas because of the MANPADS threat. I think the situation is a bit more problematic than you make it appear. |
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User ID: 34754802 Russia 05/24/2014 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 These people from Chechenya and Ossetia are not muslims. They are Orthodox christians I believe. Vostok batallion are Muslims. They've been chanting alahsnackbar on their videos. I cant see the Muslims fighting for the Russians....but I may be wrong??? I thought that if any Muslims were thinking of heading to Ukraine it would have been to try and bolster a Saudi/CIA backed jihad, by the Crimean Tatars against the Russians.. Actually Muslims were fighting for Russia since 16th century. Kazan and Astrakhan were Muslim Khanats, that were conquered by Ivan IV. Last Edited by Tamonten on 05/24/2014 10:46 AM "When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901) "But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008) "Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings" "Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew) Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat. "Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one. Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation! Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56032483 Luxembourg 05/24/2014 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56977037 WHERE THE HELL IS THE UKRAINIAN AIR FORCE?? Why does it not attack and destroy easily visible rebel convoys after their enter from #Russia?! /\ He's right you know! Ukraine has a capable air force that can precision bomb. After the elections, its gone be bombs galore though. If they want mass civilian casualties like in Syria, sure they can call in air force. What PUTIN wants is mass civilian casualties like Syria, and will try it even if it's his men that have to do it and frame Ukrainians for it. Ukraine is aware of Putin's games however. We know him well. As for the Air Force, they can handle their jobs far better than you give credit. Judging by the available information, Ukraine only has a few dozen servicable combat aircraft, mostly Su-25 and some Mig-29 and Su-27. Even the Hind's are flying less sorties now in certain areas because of the MANPADS threat. I think the situation is a bit more problematic than you make it appear. they have recently upgraded some of their helis with jamming devices against IGLA manpads not sure how effective those are though. Not a military geek |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 50128911 United States 05/24/2014 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Maxim Eristavi @MaximEristavi Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55340581 Denis Pushilin, DPR separatist leader fires up crowd with news of union with Luhansk rebels [link to pic.twitter.com] The man beside him is Ukraine MP Oleh Tsaryov and runs for Pres. A Ukrainian politician siding with terrorists AGAINST his country that he is supposed to be a protector of? Imagine this in your own country. You have to deal with it and just let them go. These people have decided their faith. They want Russia NOT Ukraine. Same as in Yugo--just let them go and consider Will of the people. No they the people of Donbas do not. The people of Donbas themselves are mostly for unified Ukraine. statements like this one derive from opinion, and in no way shape or form fact. (not implying the opposite is true) all statements like the 1 I have pointed out tend to lead to shilling from agents of both parties in these threads, so if both sides can start providing CONCRETE and NOT STATE SPONSORED opinion polls then we can start to have discussions. |
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User ID: 52431909 Ireland 05/24/2014 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: firinne These people from Chechenya and Ossetia are not muslims. They are Orthodox christians I believe. Vostok batallion are Muslims. They've been chanting alahsnackbar on their videos. I cant see the Muslims fighting for the Russians....but I may be wrong??? I thought that if any Muslims were thinking of heading to Ukraine it would have been to try and bolster a Saudi/CIA backed jihad, by the Crimean Tatars against the Russians.. Actually Muslims were fighting for Russia since 16th century. Kazan and Astrakhan was Muslim Khanats, that were conquered by Ivan IV. I,m sure many Muslims fought for the Russians during the two world wars also. |
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User ID: 34754802 Russia 05/24/2014 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 A corner of Russian imperial propaganda here: "When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901) "But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008) "Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings" "Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew) Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat. "Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one. Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation! Remember that future is always proceeded by its shadows. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58269188 Russia 05/24/2014 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Maxim Eristavi @MaximEristavi Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55340581 Denis Pushilin, DPR separatist leader fires up crowd with news of union with Luhansk rebels [link to pic.twitter.com] The man beside him is Ukraine MP Oleh Tsaryov and runs for Pres. A Ukrainian politician siding with terrorists AGAINST his country that he is supposed to be a protector of? Imagine this in your own country. You have to deal with it and just let them go. These people have decided their faith. They want Russia NOT Ukraine. Same as in Yugo--just let them go and consider Will of the people. No they the people of Donbas do not. The people of Donbas themselves are mostly for unified Ukraine. You're lying. We've seen a lot of people in Donetsk and Lugansk region who have voted for independence from Ukraine. It has been a people moovement. |
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