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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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the latest speculation I have from a western military expert is that at the moment there is no need for Putin to invade, quite simply because the tide is going his way with many areas falling in to separatist control.
The time to invade, I was told, is likely to be when the separatists formally aim to establish themselves with referendums, which will be ignored by Kiev. Russia may then move into the territory, citing the rights of the separatists are being ignored when they are seeking cessation from Ukraine.
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Makes sense.
Up until the undercover Spetznaz supporting the uprisings in ukraine fuck up or get "murphey'd", which is worse, and get pinched or ghosted, either would be proof enough.
Hard to deny your hands in the pie when your.....caught with your hand in the pie.
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Actually, watching the scenes in Kiev yesterday it seems more likely that the next coup in Kiev will be a move by the right wing factions. Would not be surprised to see the Parliament building trashed soon.

Important too is May 9, that is the date that Ukraine Gazprom gas (including transit gas) goes on pre-payment terms. Which means in all likelihood that it will be turned off because pre-payments will not have been made. It's just sound commerce - you don't cut off a customer because they owe you money but you do insist on payment in advance for all future supplies.
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if the hard right take control then that is the wild card in the equation. That may force the Russian hand to act. I think any major action against the Pro-Russian people, which involved mass casualties would be an immediate trigger and would stop Putin waiting it out. Right now, he can afford to wait, but if the Right Sector go on the rampage I see action in hours
delivering the news
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Ukraine Reporter @StateOfUkraine
US IT companies, inc. Microsoft, Oracle, Symantec, HP cease cooperation w/ sanctioned RU companies; #Russia has to create software&hardware
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If I was living in the US, I would be extremely concerned that the Petrodollar might soon come to a bitter and sad end.
Knowing this, criminals in DC seem to be more inclined to start WW3 than anything else now (at the expense of the American people), with this escalating in rhetoric.
I wonder how they intend to get the money to fight Russia and China.
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Now China has signalled it's position by diverting investment funds targetted for Nevada to Crimea it is apparent that sides are forming up.

One of the more stupid things is that Russia is still willing to ship American military assets out of Afghanistan by rail but USA is too pig headed to accept with humility. So they will try to ship out by Pakistan losing a good half along the way and making mortal enemies out of Pakistan's long standing foe which is India.

What is next? I can see the BRICS becoming the BRICSI if Iran is invited to have associate membership to help corner the world market on gold. Russia investing in South Africa gold mines to settle the workers' strikes.
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US IT companies, inc. Microsoft, Oracle, Symantec, HP cease cooperation w/ sanctioned RU companies; #Russia has to create software&hardware
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So what does that mean No More Software Updates
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
the latest speculation I have from a western military expert is that at the moment there is no need for Putin to invade, quite simply because the tide is going his way with many areas falling in to separatist control.
The time to invade, I was told, is likely to be when the separatists formally aim to establish themselves with referendums, which will be ignored by Kiev. Russia may then move into the territory, citing the rights of the separatists are being ignored when they are seeking cessation from Ukraine.
 Quoting: Janey

Makes sense.
Up until the undercover Spetznaz supporting the uprisings in ukraine fuck up or get "murphey'd", which is worse, and get pinched or ghosted, either would be proof enough.
Hard to deny your hands in the pie when your.....caught with your hand in the pie.
 Quoting: SenterSun

Actually, watching the scenes in Kiev yesterday it seems more likely that the next coup in Kiev will be a move by the right wing factions. Would not be surprised to see the Parliament building trashed soon.

Important too is May 9, that is the date that Ukraine Gazprom gas (including transit gas) goes on pre-payment terms. Which means in all likelihood that it will be turned off because pre-payments will not have been made. It's just sound commerce - you don't cut off a customer because they owe you money but you do insist on payment in advance for all future supplies.
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if the hard right take control then that is the wild card in the equation. That may force the Russian hand to act. I think any major action against the Pro-Russian people, which involved mass casualties would be an immediate trigger and would stop Putin waiting it out. Right now, he can afford to wait, but if the Right Sector go on the rampage I see action in hours
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Why? Let all the World see that shit.
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[link to korrespondent.net]

Military will go in Kiev at 1 of May for training
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Putin has ordered 150 concentration camps be built across Russia for Russians. Each can hold 5000. Also mass graves are bing dug by each of them. They have more people than they can afford and Putin plans to get rid of half of the population by 2016.
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FEMA advising him are they?
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Exactly my first thought
These anti Putin shills confuse Putin with Obama
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Ukraine Reporter @StateOfUkraine
US IT companies, inc. Microsoft, Oracle, Symantec, HP cease cooperation w/ sanctioned RU companies; #Russia has to create software&hardware
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So what does that mean No More Software Updates
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They won't sell licenses, probably
Total BS
First of all it's not good for the companies they will lose the Russian Market this way
Billions of dollars
Or it means that Russian companies will not care about licensing using the software solutions
No support no money
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
U.S. urges Russia to "leave Ukraine with Peace" and warned that "every inch" of its territory will be defended if threatened. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said that Russia has failed to comply with the agreement to avoid escalating tensions and caused the escalation of the crisis, reported AP.

[link to www.blitz.bg]
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Kerry
rofl5
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“Dear Kiev residents and guests of the capital! A tactical-special exercise will be held in Kiev on the night from April 30 to May 1,” says the short statement published on the city hall website. “Columns of combat vehicles are expected to be moving through the city as part of the exercise. Take advise that deployment of troops and hardware will happen in center of the city.”
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U.S. urges Russia to "leave Ukraine with Peace" and warned that "every inch" of its territory will be defended if threatened. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said that Russia has failed to comply with the agreement to avoid escalating tensions and caused the escalation of the crisis, reported AP.

[link to www.blitz.bg]
 Quoting: NotZuckerberg


Kerry
rofl5
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Yeah, every inch except Crimea lol
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@RT_russian 6m
Today, in the center of Kiev will be held military exercises involving armored vehicles
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What happens if unarmed protestors block the vehicles for goodness sakes?
Somebody did not think this through.
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“Dear Kiev residents and guests of the capital! A tactical-special exercise will be held in Kiev on the night from April 30 to May 1,” says the short statement published on the city hall website. “Columns of combat vehicles are expected to be moving through the city as part of the exercise. Take advise that deployment of troops and hardware will happen in center of the city.”
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Well, since there has been more talk of Right sector and protests in Kiev against the acting gov, then I think those drills are performed to deter any further action. Not sure if that'll stop them though.
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If you want to start prospering and growing stronger,start focusing on supporting others.

If you want to start prospering and growing stronger, focus on supporting others where you can. Give to others that cross YOUR PATH and you soon discover you will be given more. The 5th Dimension principal of harmony means that you will always have an abundance to do a good work.
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“Dear Kiev residents and guests of the capital! A tactical-special exercise will be held in Kiev on the night from April 30 to May 1,” says the short statement published on the city hall website. “Columns of combat vehicles are expected to be moving through the city as part of the exercise. Take advise that deployment of troops and hardware will happen in center of the city.”
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Exercise in the city center? Will the firing demonstration?
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“Dear Kiev residents and guests of the capital! A tactical-special exercise will be held in Kiev on the night from April 30 to May 1,” says the short statement published on the city hall website. “Columns of combat vehicles are expected to be moving through the city as part of the exercise. Take advise that deployment of troops and hardware will happen in center of the city.”
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Source?
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“Dear Kiev residents and guests of the capital! A tactical-special exercise will be held in Kiev on the night from April 30 to May 1,” says the short statement published on the city hall website. “Columns of combat vehicles are expected to be moving through the city as part of the exercise. Take advise that deployment of troops and hardware will happen in center of the city.”
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Source?
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


[link to rt.com]
"The master understands that the universe is always out of control".
-Lao Tzu


The 5th Dimension principal of harmony reveals that supporting others creates strength. The lower dimension mind believes that acquiring or taking from others makes you stronger. Yet, as you can imagine, if all people desire to "take" from others, the fabric of the reality tears itself apart.
If you want to start prospering and growing stronger,start focusing on supporting others.

If you want to start prospering and growing stronger, focus on supporting others where you can. Give to others that cross YOUR PATH and you soon discover you will be given more. The 5th Dimension principal of harmony means that you will always have an abundance to do a good work.
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
All this talk of Russia going to invade Ukraine is nonsense. Russia is absolutely no benefit, desire or need to invade Ukraine. They will simply sit back, watch the chaos unfold and in time Ukraine will come running to them. without doubt this is Putin's strategy.

The Wests strategy (for now at least) is about trying to prevent this happening!

The West will soon realise the cost of what they are doing and how complicated the situation is in Ukraine, then their game will change. Then it might suit the American desire to ostracise Russia more if Russia did invade.
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@RT_russian 6m
Today, in the center of Kiev will be held military exercises involving armored vehicles
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so, doom on now? This Ukrainian roller coaster ride need to come to some form of conclusion, I'm getting sick of all the ups and downs, its been like forever, right?

Please, for the love of Satan, finish it!!! nuke
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Ukraine Reporter @StateOfUkraine
US IT companies, inc. Microsoft, Oracle, Symantec, HP cease cooperation w/ sanctioned RU companies; #Russia has to create software&hardware
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57527795


So what does that mean No More Software Updates
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57531953


They won't sell licenses, probably
Total BS
First of all it's not good for the companies they will lose the Russian Market this way
Billions of dollars
Or it means that Russian companies will not care about licensing using the software solutions
No support no money
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What a bunch of idiots those twitter Western cheerleaders.

Russia will not be creating anything. They will just use Linux OR illegal software. It's not like someone in the US will be able to check on what Russian companies are using anyway.

What's the big deal?

Even if they stop using those products, if anything they will be safer by avoiding NSA backdoors.
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Obama has ordered 150 concentration camps be built across US. Each can hold 5000. Also mass graves are bing dug by each of them. They have more people than they can afford and Obama plans to get rid of half of the population by 2016.
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Here fixed it for you...
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Ukraine Reporter @StateOfUkraine
US IT companies, inc. Microsoft, Oracle, Symantec, HP cease cooperation w/ sanctioned RU companies; #Russia has to create software&hardware
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57527795


So what does that mean No More Software Updates
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57531953


They won't sell licenses, probably
Total BS
First of all it's not good for the companies they will lose the Russian Market this way
Billions of dollars
Or it means that Russian companies will not care about licensing using the software solutions
No support no money
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9500409


What a bunch of idiots those twitter Western cheerleaders.

Russia will not be creating anything. They will just use Linux OR illegal software. It's not like someone in the US will be able to check on what Russian companies are using anyway.

What's the big deal?

Even if they stop using those products, if anything they will be safer by avoiding NSA backdoors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2687088



Basically that means that the NSA backdoors will not any longer coming to russian IT Systems which are running under above vendor products automatically.

Oh the drama
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“Dear Kiev residents and guests of the capital! A tactical-special exercise will be held in Kiev on the night from April 30 to May 1,” says the short statement published on the city hall website. “Columns of combat vehicles are expected to be moving through the city as part of the exercise. Take advise that deployment of troops and hardware will happen in center of the city.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57527795


Well, since there has been more talk of Right sector and protests in Kiev against the acting gov, then I think those drills are performed to deter any further action. Not sure if that'll stop them though.
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Could also be an indication toward an impending coup so people won't take care about unusual police and military in the streets; kiev city hall could not be necessary loyal to government, who knows.
And btw, a statement like that is usually issued by government itself, not on city hall website lol.
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3081 pages and NO DOOMhuffy
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“Dear Kiev residents and guests of the capital! A tactical-special exercise will be held in Kiev on the night from April 30 to May 1,” says the short statement published on the city hall website. “Columns of combat vehicles are expected to be moving through the city as part of the exercise. Take advise that deployment of troops and hardware will happen in center of the city.”
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Source?
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


[link to rt.com]
 Quoting: FunkY


it is confirmed, although this appears not to be about intimidating the Right Sector from acting.

They are convinced that there is going to be a Russian attack, involving an attempt on Kiev that is imminent.
delivering the news
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Ukraine, Kiev, Today, 14:34
"Against the leadership of the three power units opened criminal proceedings for refusing to open fire at the anti-terrorist operation. This was announced by the Acting Head of the Presidential Administration of Ukraine Serhiy Pashinsky. According to him, a special unit "Alfa" fully suspended from conducting anti-terrorist operation."
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Glory to honest ukrainian officers!
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“Dear Kiev residents and guests of the capital! A tactical-special exercise will be held in Kiev on the night from April 30 to May 1,” says the short statement published on the city hall website. “Columns of combat vehicles are expected to be moving through the city as part of the exercise. Take advise that deployment of troops and hardware will happen in center of the city.”
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Source?
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


[link to rt.com]
 Quoting: FunkY


direct source: [link to kievcity.gov.ua]
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Putin has ordered 150 concentration camps be built across Russia for Russians. Each can hold 5000. Also mass graves are bing dug by each of them. They have more people than they can afford and Putin plans to get rid of half of the population by 2016.
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FEMA advising him are they?
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Exactly my first thought
These anti Putin shills confuse Putin with Obama
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It's hard to confuse Putin with Obama. Obama is a lying, babbling idiot. Putin is a smart, confident man...big difference!
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3081 pages and NO DOOMhuffy
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It's much more amusing to watch Putin headfucking the bankers and the criminals in DC than watching millions of people die and have GLP shut down.
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“Dear Kiev residents and guests of the capital! A tactical-special exercise will be held in Kiev on the night from April 30 to May 1,” says the short statement published on the city hall website. “Columns of combat vehicles are expected to be moving through the city as part of the exercise. Take advise that deployment of troops and hardware will happen in center of the city.”
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Good chance for Pravy sektor to seize that armoured vehicles and make their coup d'état...
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CNN Breaking News ‏@cnnbrk 1 h

Ukraine military placed on full combat readiness, interim President says.





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