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REPORTS of a "red glow" coming from centre of #Slavyansk after "something" flew into the centre of the city.

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REPORTS of a "red glow" coming from centre of #Slavyansk after "something" flew into the centre of the city.

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ROFL....dont jump too fast to UFO conclusion...they let us down for uncountable times now...
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Life under Siege #Slavyansk #Ukraine [link to youtu.be]
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Rock Solid Politics&#8207;@BradCabana·7 secs
REPORTS of a "red glow" coming from centre of #Slavyansk after "something" flew into the centre of the city.
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Red glow.
Grad rocket salvos would be the most likely.

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Nothing decisive from the Gazprom talks, just more delays and stalling for time.
[link to en.itar-tass.com]
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unless you have journalists on the ground, or live feeds, i dont care../. nobody cares!
I thought this would be exciting to like the shock and awe attacks in Iraq...

I was wrong.... who wants war when you dont even get to watch it on tv... nobody wants the true reality of war, its grim.
Life is a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.
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that was f117-a not b2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59039647


Officially it was one f117a. Unofficially it was a few f117a and one b2 Spirit.
 Quoting: N.O.S. (nli) 58902340


Thats why they propably retired f-117.
 Quoting: Matjaz


The surface-to-air missile system used to down the one at Bu&#273;anovci was old Soviet S-125 Neva/Pechora. imagine what more modern Rusian systems would do to those "invisible" aircraft...
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Locals report on shootout in #Kramatorsk downtown and in the city's outskirts, via @poppoppopkt |EMPR #ATO #Donbas

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Locals report heavy fighting in #Kramatorsk, ATO forces destroying pro-#Russia|ns barricades #Ukraine

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UNCONFIRMED: #Ukraine forces attack NAF positions in #Kramatorsk

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Rock Solid Politics&#8207;@BradCabana·1 min
RT @A_J_S_B 2m BREAKING NEWS - UNCONFIRMED: Apparently NAF CAPTURED 3 T-64 MBTs from #Ukraine Army
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these are obsolete tanks but still nice to have
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Ukraine has upgraded T64 tanks, and recently brought them to the battle.
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It would also depend on the shells that are being loaded.

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...


That's still a rumored plane.

+ it was made 1990.
Don't you think a anti-air system capable of shooting down f-22 rapor, would be able to take down that spyplane?
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I don't, because I believe it uses completely different tech than the F-22. The raptor represents the evolution of prior jet fighter technology, making it more vulnerable to conventional anti aircraft weaponry. The TR-3 is likely a completely new platform in terms of aircraft design and propulsion, basically the first generation of what will replace conventional jet tech over time.
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So the F-22 is more vulnerable than conventional anti-aircraft? This is total bullshit. In what way is it more vulnerable?
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What are you ppl talking about?

S-500 System is afaik still under development/testing. And TR3B is a myth. Even if it's exists it's nonsense to speculate about technics because there are no hard technical facts. And if it's exists it's actually so advanced that they surely dont use it for war/crisis use; they use it for ...well interplanetary flights. IF it exists the famous photo from Belgium UFO Wave 90/91 with the Triangle is showing one.

Thats really like the biiiiiiiig white shark outthere. Rumours of existing, of sigthings, but no hard proof.
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This, tr-3b is of no military usw.
Stop poking in dogshit. Antigravity craft is most important tech, not for war.
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Over 4000 Pages and Putin is still sat on his lazy arse and done nothing????

Why are all those Russian Troops sat there on the border, they must be bored shitless!!

wtf
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Rock Solid Politics&#8207;@BradCabana·7 secs
REPORTS of a "red glow" coming from centre of #Slavyansk after "something" flew into the centre of the city.

 Quoting: < DL >


xxxcite fuckyeah5
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1293267


pics or gtfo lolsignlolsignstoner
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oh no... not the dreaded "red glow".

scared
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Over 4000 Pages and Putin is still sat on his lazy arse and done nothing????

Why are all those Russian Troops sat there on the border, they must be bored shitless!!

wtf
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Well it's the russian border...a lot of them would sit there anyway...regardless of the ukraine situation
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RT @RT_com · 1 min

E. Ukraine warzone: Demolished houses, fires after heavy shelling (VIDEOS) [link to on.rt.com]

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Rock Solid Politics&#8207;@BradCabana·7 secs
REPORTS of a "red glow" coming from centre of #Slavyansk after "something" flew into the centre of the city.
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Red glow.
Grad rocket salvos would be the most likely.
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


Tommahawk Crusie Missile?
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Full scale ATO underway in #Kramatorsk right now! APC's and tanks said to be in city centre. #Ukraine
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that was f117-a not b2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59039647


Officially it was one f117a. Unofficially it was a few f117a and one b2 Spirit.
 Quoting: N.O.S. (nli) 58902340


Thats why they propably retired f-117.
 Quoting: Matjaz


The surface-to-air missile system used to down the one at Bu&#273;anovci was old Soviet S-125 Neva/Pechora. imagine what more modern Rusian systems would do to those "invisible" aircraft...
 Quoting: N.O.S. (nli) 58902340


According to this video the F-117 was not shot down by a SAM but by regular air defense artillery and it was caught out by an old aged out of fashion radar system. The older radar use long wavelength which made it hard for the F-117 scatter it's reflection. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Officially it was one f117a. Unofficially it was a few f117a and one b2 Spirit.
 Quoting: N.O.S. (nli) 58902340


Thats why they propably retired f-117.
 Quoting: Matjaz


The surface-to-air missile system used to down the one at Bu&#273;anovci was old Soviet S-125 Neva/Pechora. imagine what more modern Rusian systems would do to those "invisible" aircraft...
 Quoting: N.O.S. (nli) 58902340


According to this video the F-117 was not shot down by a SAM but by regular air defense artillery and it was caught out by an old aged out of fashion radar system. The older radar use long wavelength which made it hard for the F-117 scatter it's reflection. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Newer systems probably incorporate this no?
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Constantine the Great, which is also a Saint, didnt convert the empire to catholicism. The Empire was East Orthodox. And was never converted, since catholicism was invented after the 1054 A.C. schism among the Orthodox Church and the catholicism heresy.
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False. Please re-take History 101.

The Western (Catholic) Church and Eastern (Orthodox) Church were generally united ("in communion") until 1054. Thus, the two terms Catholic and Orthodox were considered equivalent until that time.

Even after that, the two Churches made at least two serious attempts to reconcile their differences. But each reunion was sabotaged by stubborn Eastern separatists:

The Second Council of Lyon in 1274
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Council of Florence in 1438
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Eventually, Eastern churches began re-declaring their communion with the Western (Catholic) Church individually. Here is a list of the dozens of Eastern churches that are in communion with the Bishop of Rome, along with the year that each church re-declared communion:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Skeptic the First

There is no communion between the Orthodox CHURCH and the catholic heresy.

There is NO UNION whatsoever.

There can be none since the Orthodox Church its the authentic continuation of the Apostolic Church, while the catholic heresy has cut all bonds with the ONE, TRUE Church and has become a heretic twist of the Truth that Jesus teached

By the way, if you base your historic knowledge to wikipedia you are a joke as the type of info people tend to write there
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So the PRC is closely aligned with Russia now, hmm.
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Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has said on numerous occasions that a war with the United States would end in a quick and decisive end, with Russia losing. Just how quick does Rogozin think the American victory will be? 6 hours or less. Stunning stuff come from Russia's Deputy Prime Minister.

Dmitry Rogozin: "The United States can destroy a few hours up to 90% of our nuclear capability"

Extremely sad prospects in the event of war with the United States described the Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, speaking on Friday at the scientific-practical conference "Be strong: a guarantee of Russia's national security." In addition, he identified five types of threats to Russia and stated "gap on a number of critical core technologies from leading countries of the West in some areas up to tens of years."

"For more than ten years in the United States worked out the concept of Prompt Global Strike. It provides a striking non-nuclear weapons at any point of the planet in one hour, "- said Rogozin. "According to the results of the war game, held at the Pentagon late last year by 3.5-4 thousand units of U.S. precision weapons can destroy 6 hours basic infrastructural facilities of the enemy and prevent him to resist," - he added.

According to him, if such a blow will be dealt to Russia, the main objectives will be of strategic nuclear deterrence forces. "In essence, the U.S. expert estimates, as a result of such an attack can be destroyed from 80 to 90 percent of our nuclear potential," - said Deputy Prime Minister.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13293442


The newly adopted "first strike" doctrine of the US does not give them much of an advantage against superpowers, maybe even former, like Russia or China who by themselves have extensive spy satelite networks and probably other equipment capable of detecting an indiscriminate nuclear attack from the west and give them ample time to respond. An increased buildup of naval vessels in the vicinity would already raise suspicion. There's no way to sneak up on such countries.

Russia currently (by 2013 estimates) still has an arsenal of 8,500 missiles spread out across the country, Topol launch pads, underground and whatnot. China about 240 (which is still enough to cause severe mayhem).

There is plenty of guarantee that there will still be some form of MAD. Technologies like the Star Wars program and the weaponization of space are still far away and will likely be answered by an Sino-Russian (and who knows what other countries) alliance similiar like NATO (which is already in the making) in some way.

Even if half of the opposing arensal is destroyed or taken out in some way, the effects of a limited strike is quite simply devastating to the planet itself and human society. There are no winners in nuclear war, advantage or not.
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REPORTS GRAD rockets being used in battle at #Kramatorsk now. #Slavyansk #Donetsk #Ukraine #cdnpoli

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etweeted by Nathan J Hunt
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Another video claims to show intense battles taking place in #Kramatorsk tonight. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] … #Ukraine
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Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has said on numerous occasions that a war with the United States would end in a quick and decisive end, with Russia losing. Just how quick does Rogozin think the American victory will be? 6 hours or less. Stunning stuff come from Russia's Deputy Prime Minister.

Dmitry Rogozin: "The United States can destroy a few hours up to 90% of our nuclear capability"

Extremely sad prospects in the event of war with the United States described the Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, speaking on Friday at the scientific-practical conference "Be strong: a guarantee of Russia's national security." In addition, he identified five types of threats to Russia and stated "gap on a number of critical core technologies from leading countries of the West in some areas up to tens of years."

"For more than ten years in the United States worked out the concept of Prompt Global Strike. It provides a striking non-nuclear weapons at any point of the planet in one hour, "- said Rogozin. "According to the results of the war game, held at the Pentagon late last year by 3.5-4 thousand units of U.S. precision weapons can destroy 6 hours basic infrastructural facilities of the enemy and prevent him to resist," - he added.

According to him, if such a blow will be dealt to Russia, the main objectives will be of strategic nuclear deterrence forces. "In essence, the U.S. expert estimates, as a result of such an attack can be destroyed from 80 to 90 percent of our nuclear potential," - said Deputy Prime Minister.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13293442


The newly adopted "first strike" doctrine of the US does not give them much of an advantage against superpowers, maybe even former, like Russia or China who by themselves have extensive spy satelite networks and probably other equipment capable of detecting an indiscriminate nuclear attack from the west and give them ample time to respond. An increased buildup of naval vessels in the vicinity would already raise suspicion. There's no way to sneak up on such countries.

Russia currently (by 2013 estimates) still has an arsenal of 8,500 missiles spread out across the country, Topol launch pads, underground and whatnot. China about 240 (which is still enough to cause severe mayhem).

There is plenty of guarantee that there will still be some form of MAD. Technologies like the Star Wars program and the weaponization of space are still far away and will likely be answered by an Sino-Russian (and who knows what other countries) alliance similiar like NATO (which is already in the making) in some way.

Even if half of the opposing arensal is destroyed or taken out in some way, the effects of a limited strike is quite simply devastating to the planet itself and human society. There are no winners in nuclear war, advantage or not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57271883

Rogozin' was making the point that the prompt global strike tech is capable of hitting any target anywhere in Russia in one hour or less. He used the nuke example to demonstrate the Americans can use a variety of munitions in its prompt global strike, including 'bunker busters' powerful enough to penetrate hardened nuke bunkers. No one in their right mind would think you can destroy all the nukes-thats ridiculous. So an array of munitions and the ability to hit anywhere in Russia in one hour; these three things, I believe was the point behind his remarks.
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Rock Solid Politics &#8207;@BradCabana 7m

REPORTS GRAD rockets being used in battle at #Kramatorsk now. #Slavyansk #Donetsk #Ukraine #cdnpoli

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This seems to get reported every day, but never confirmed.
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Kramatorsk right now.


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you can hear GRADS in this video from a few days back
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I don't get it???
Here in Sweden they are reporting that a deal have been struck between Russian and Ukraine tonight????
Wtf is going on?

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