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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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No, most likely the Ukies won't let the convoy through, Putin will accuse them of genocide and declare war. I wrote a few days ago here that the scheduled meeting in Yalta is suspicious; well, now it's more suspicious.
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That is certainly one possibility. Of course it seems lost on most that Kiev really is engaging in a punitive operation. Real aid to civilians is just as much a threat to the overall strategy of the operation as arms supplies to the rebels. My bet is that this will be thoroughly exposed in the next few days as Kiev uses any pretext for delay and no significant aid actually reaches the intended beneficiaries.

This will make Russia's point better than claims of shelling civilians ever could. There are too many other times that aid has been rushed to victims without delay for the situation not to become obvious if the aid stalls interminably at the border. By placing it right there Russia has accomplished its goal.

What Russia does with the propaganda bonanza will be interesting. Putin can take it in many directions after that. By next week expect a lot of defensive excuses from Kiev and the US.
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You're right Kiev's plan is to kill as many civilians as possible, an aid convoy would just interfere with their overall strategy and their scorched earth policy.
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Give it a week and I wouldn't be surprised if Russian formal recognition of the breakaway republics isn't being discussed openly. That is the obvious and logical next step. How can a government which doesn't feed its people be a legitimate authority in the area in question?

This talk of immediate military response is mistaken IMO. Everyone will understand the significance of recognition if it happens. We can see real aid of all sorts at that point. No invasion necessary.
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How many prople were starved under stalin while nazis invaded?
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WE ARE NOT INVOLVED IN AID CONVOY DESPITE RUSSIAN STATEMENT - OSCE SPOKESMAN
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siren2
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Russian aid convoy will be accompanied by OSCE inside Ukraine

[link to www.kyivpost.com]

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'Send 280 KAMAZ with humanitarian aid for South-East - it is about the same as to first rob and then kill and then sit in a hospital bed and carefully to give a drink of water. It's like to hit the street on the head with a club, and then put under his head sympathetically's jacket and inquire whether the head is not spinning. Assess the scale of the disaster in the Donbas is difficult, but it is clear that there is a war. And in war people have not sweet. They really need help because they are in a war without the basic necessities. But the best of humanitarian aid, which can have my country neighboring Ukraine - it is not 280 KAMAZ vehicles with food, clothing and medicines. Much more useful would be to send back 280 empty KAMAZ. And then load them up with all the weapons that we were sent there, and all our people that we go openly or secretly sent. And solemnly give it all back home. And thereby save their own lives and the lives of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers - and most importantly the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.'

[link to www.echo.msk.ru]
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Did you really read that crap? Are you serious?
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'Send 280 KAMAZ with humanitarian aid for South-East - it is about the same as to first rob and then kill and then sit in a hospital bed and carefully to give a drink of water. It's like to hit the street on the head with a club, and then put under his head sympathetically's jacket and inquire whether the head is not spinning. Assess the scale of the disaster in the Donbas is difficult, but it is clear that there is a war. And in war people have not sweet. They really need help because they are in a war without the basic necessities. But the best of humanitarian aid, which can have my country neighboring Ukraine - it is not 280 KAMAZ vehicles with food, clothing and medicines. Much more useful would be to send back 280 empty KAMAZ. And then load them up with all the weapons that we were sent there, and all our people that we go openly or secretly sent. And solemnly give it all back home. And thereby save their own lives and the lives of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers - and most importantly the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.'

[link to www.echo.msk.ru]
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Did you really read that crap? Are you serious?
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Echo of Moscow is soros funded 5th column radio for your info. That's enough to know.
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'Send 280 KAMAZ with humanitarian aid for South-East - it is about the same as to first rob and then kill and then sit in a hospital bed and carefully to give a drink of water. It's like to hit the street on the head with a club, and then put under his head sympathetically's jacket and inquire whether the head is not spinning. Assess the scale of the disaster in the Donbas is difficult, but it is clear that there is a war. And in war people have not sweet. They really need help because they are in a war without the basic necessities. But the best of humanitarian aid, which can have my country neighboring Ukraine - it is not 280 KAMAZ vehicles with food, clothing and medicines. Much more useful would be to send back 280 empty KAMAZ. And then load them up with all the weapons that we were sent there, and all our people that we go openly or secretly sent. And solemnly give it all back home. And thereby save their own lives and the lives of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers - and most importantly the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.'

[link to www.echo.msk.ru]
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Did you really read that crap? Are you serious?
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judging by your tone, you did
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Euromaidan PR @EuromaidanPR · 4h

Huge Russian Convoy Leaves Moscow for Ukraine. Brilliant tactical PR move by Putin and by Russia.

Putin is a tactical genius. I knew Ukraine was fucked the moment that they decided to pick a fight with Putin.
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RUSSIA SAYS IT INTENDS TO HAND OVER AID TO RED CROSS AFTER CROSSING BORDER IN TO UKRAINE - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY
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this is just madness
 Quoting: Anderson_G


Whole point is to cause confusion until they are actually past the border ,imo
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Casualties of Russia's war against Ukraine(Infographic)

[link to www.kyivpost.com]
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RUSSIA SAYS IT INTENDS TO HAND OVER AID TO RED CROSS AFTER CROSSING BORDER IN TO UKRAINE - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY
 Quoting: Janey


this is just madness
 Quoting: Anderson_G


wonder whats the reason for changing that now. They stated they are going to hand the aid over at the border. So crossing shouldn't be necessary...
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I think they will end up driving all the way through they know its the only way it will get there at all
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RUSSIA SAYS IT INTENDS TO HAND OVER AID TO RED CROSS AFTER CROSSING BORDER IN TO UKRAINE - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY
 Quoting: Janey


this is just madness
 Quoting: Anderson_G


Whole point is to cause confusion until they are actually past the border ,imo
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I feel for those Civi's on the ground they haven't a clue whats going to happen
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RUSSIA SAYS IT INTENDS TO HAND OVER AID TO RED CROSS AFTER CROSSING BORDER IN TO UKRAINE - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY
 Quoting: Janey


this is just madness
 Quoting: Anderson_G


wonder whats the reason for changing that now. They stated they are going to hand the aid over at the border. So crossing shouldn't be necessary...
 Quoting: °Lucy°


I think they will end up driving all the way through they know its the only way it will get there at all
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Yeah, there's no way Russia is going to allow its aid to find its way to Ukrainian soldiers.
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08/12 17:45 RUSSIA, EGYPT TO BOOST FUTURE COOPERATION IN ENERGY - PUTIN
-Interfax
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Many of those Egyptian oilfield workers really know their stuff. Learned it in Kuwait and Saudi.
They will be keen to take a one year tour of duty working in Russian oilfields.
Egyptian petroleum engineers are damned good too, keen and knowledgeable, educated people.
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'Send 280 KAMAZ with humanitarian aid for South-East - it is about the same as to first rob and then kill and then sit in a hospital bed and carefully to give a drink of water. It's like to hit the street on the head with a club, and then put under his head sympathetically's jacket and inquire whether the head is not spinning. Assess the scale of the disaster in the Donbas is difficult, but it is clear that there is a war. And in war people have not sweet. They really need help because they are in a war without the basic necessities. But the best of humanitarian aid, which can have my country neighboring Ukraine - it is not 280 KAMAZ vehicles with food, clothing and medicines. Much more useful would be to send back 280 empty KAMAZ. And then load them up with all the weapons that we were sent there, and all our people that we go openly or secretly sent. And solemnly give it all back home. And thereby save their own lives and the lives of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers - and most importantly the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions.'

[link to www.echo.msk.ru]
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Did you really read that crap? Are you serious?
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judging by your tone, you did
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No I didn't, I read only small piece of that crap you posted. No need to put a finger in poop to know that it smells bad eekalert
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RUSSIA SAYS IT INTENDS TO HAND OVER AID TO RED CROSS AFTER CROSSING BORDER IN TO UKRAINE - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY
 Quoting: Janey


this is just madness
 Quoting: Anderson_G


Whole point is to cause confusion until they are actually past the border ,imo
 Quoting: BioReaper


I feel for those Civi's on the ground they haven't a clue whats going to happen
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MOST of the world is Oblivious
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Casualties of Russia's war against Ukraine(Infographic)

[link to www.kyivpost.com]
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There would be no casualties if it really was a war of Russia against Ukraine you weak imbecile nazi cockroaches. There would be few days precise airstrikes on important buildings in kiev, dnepropetrovsk and end of war.
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Unloading, checking, and then loading into Red Cross and/or Ukrainian trucks is going to take a very long time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50492102

All the Russians have to do is to unload the stuff in no-man's-land between the two border posts then turn around and leave. Over to the Red Cross at that point since they insist on taking over.
Nice publicity disaster for them when the supplies sit there for weeks rotting away.
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RUSSIA SAYS IT INTENDS TO HAND OVER AID TO RED CROSS AFTER CROSSING BORDER IN TO UKRAINE - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY
 Quoting: Janey


this is just madness
 Quoting: Anderson_G


wonder whats the reason for changing that now. They stated they are going to hand the aid over at the border. So crossing shouldn't be necessary...
 Quoting: °Lucy°


If the West wanted, they could handle the aid themselves thereby insuring no military transfer was made. Wasn't Israel just sent 225 million for the Iron Dome? That would have gone a long way in Donbass.
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Yan M.@ymatusik · 4h
Head of Russian Red Cross says that the Russian "humanitarian" convoy has left without any of his aid workers on @EchoMskRu
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He doesn't have a fast car to catch up with the slow convoy?
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Luke Johnson@johnson · 2h

ICRC tells me re: Russian convoy to #Ukraine "I can confirm that it's not our convoy," wasn't told ab't it til after it left.
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Yan M.@ymatusik · 4h
Head of Russian Red Cross says that the Russian "humanitarian" convoy has left without any of his aid workers on @EchoMskRu
 Quoting: Newshunter

He doesn't have a fast car to catch up with the slow convoy?
 Quoting: FormerlyBritish


sanctions meant he has fred flitstone as his driver
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'Ukrainians didn’t elect Poroshenko for his charisma or his barnstorming speeches. They voted for him because he backed the Maidan protesters from the start, he was the frontrunner, and he is competent. His most effective campaign slogan—which appeared with no photo or visual image, just words, on billboards across the country — was “to stop the war, let’s elect a president on the first ballot.” Ukraine is normally a sort of Slavic Italy—a disputatious society that revels in political disagreement and debate. It is a measure of the gravity of the moment that Ukrainians accepted Poroshenko’s argument and, for the first time since independence, chose a president on the first ballot and with strong backing from across the country.

Ukraine’s second success is its unprecedented degree of national unity. That reality is obscured by the lazy shorthand that often frames the conflict in eastern Ukraine as a Yugoslav-style civil war, driven by ancient cultural, linguistic and religious divisions. In fact, the fight in Ukraine is almost entirely a political and even ideological struggle. This isn’t about Russian speakers vs. Ukrainian speakers—an absurd idea in a country so at ease with its nearly universal bilingualism that everything from television interviews to jokes to parliamentary debates are conducted in an easy back-and-forth between Ukrainian and Russian.

The dividing line in what Ukrainians call their “dignity revolution” is instead the choice between Western liberal democracy and the Kremlin’s neo-authoritarianism. What has been striking is how determinedly most of Ukraine has chosen democracy. For Ukrainians, this isn’t about the reshaping of the world’s geostrategic chessboard—who would chose to be a pawn in someone else’s power play? But Ukrainians have now seen both Western democracy and Putin’s post-Soviet kleptocracy up close. They have made the same choice all of us would, and they are proving they are willing to fight, and to die, for it.

[link to www.politico.com]
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Ukraine's national currency is STILL free falling! Today it is reported at 13.14 to the USD. Yesterday it was 12.83. Two weeks ago it was steady at 11.70 for months. Before the Maidan madness, it was steady at 8.00 for years!
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What is the estimated recoverable value of gas and oil in the Black Sea that the Ukr national government had sole sovereign claim to? Putler will never allow any negotiating on this matter. Sorry Kyiv, you're dealing with reckless, narcissistic nuke possessing bandits.
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RUSSIA SAYS IT INTENDS TO HAND OVER AID TO RED CROSS AFTER CROSSING BORDER IN TO UKRAINE - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY
 Quoting: Janey


this is just madness
 Quoting: Anderson_G


Whole point is to cause confusion until they are actually past the border ,imo
 Quoting: BioReaper


I feel for those Civi's on the ground they haven't a clue whats going to happen
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What is going to happen?



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RUSSIA SAYS IT INTENDS TO HAND OVER AID TO RED CROSS AFTER CROSSING BORDER IN TO UKRAINE - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY
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this is just madness
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this is just madness
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this is just madness
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Whole point is to cause confusion until they are actually past the border ,imo
 Quoting: BioReaper


I feel for those Civi's on the ground they haven't a clue whats going to happen
 Quoting: Anderson_G



What is going to happen?



hiding
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thats just it what will happen will they have their food or what this year lol
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Casualties of Russia's war against Ukraine(Infographic)

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There would be no casualties if it really was a war of Russia against Ukraine you weak imbecile nazi cockroaches. There would be few days precise airstrikes on important buildings in kiev, dnepropetrovsk and end of war.
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Oh you mean 'no casualties' like how Russia did in Chechnya were they killed about 150,000 noncombatant civilians in the past 20 years?

The cockroaches are the Russians. Hopefully the world exterminates them once and for all.
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What is the estimated recoverable value of gas and oil in the Black Sea that the Ukr national government had sole sovereign claim to? Putler will never allow any negotiating on this matter. Sorry Kyiv, you're dealing with reckless, narcissistic nuke possessing bandits.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61530618


You mean the gas and oil that WESTERN co,s wanted to exploit.

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