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They're not talking about Ukrainian Army, but special forces (from SBU) and Blackwater mercenaries.
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So what. It could be Santa Claus and Justin Beiber, and it's still none of Russia's business.
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Yeah, Russia's neighbor with millions of ethnic Russians but not Russia's business. But it is EU's and US's business. Idiot.
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I never said it was US/EUs business. Stop being a douchebag.
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OK, had you confused. But still it is clearly Russia's business. Where are you from, US really? If Mexico were sending troops to massacre Americans living in Baha California, do you think it would be "none of US' business"? And in Donetsk case it is even more Russia's business because for 300 years it was Russia, it is only part of Ukraine because of some Communist mapmakers stealing this land from Russia and putting it in Ukraine.

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3 protesters killed in Lugansk after clashes with police

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So what. It could be Santa Claus and Justin Beiber, and it's still none of Russia's business.
 Quoting: NawtyBits

Yeah, Russia's neighbor with millions of ethnic Russians but not Russia's business. But it is EU's and US's business. Idiot.
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I never said it was US/EUs business. Stop being a douchebag.
 Quoting: NawtyBits

OK, had you confused. But still it is clearly Russia's business. Where are you from, US really? If Mexico were sending troops to massacre Americans living in Baha California, do you think it would be "none of US' business"? And in Donetsk case it is even more Russia's business because for 300 years it was Russia, it is only part of Ukraine because of some Communist mapmakers stealing this land from Russia and putting it in Ukraine.
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I'm in the US. Your analogy is poor. This isn't about Russian Citizens, it's about Ukrainians of Russian descent.
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Brooklyn Middleton ‏@BklynMiddleton · 1 min
Israeli source confirms chemical attacks in #Syria (Video) [link to www.ynetnews.com] …

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10 days ago ?
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disregard apparently it's a hoax. old video
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Brooklyn Middleton ‏@BklynMiddleton · 1 min
Israeli source confirms chemical attacks in #Syria (Video) [link to www.ynetnews.com] …

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10 days ago ?
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The confirmation was just released today to an attack that occurred 10 days ago.
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Civil war has started :(.

Thanks Nuland. I know you won't lose any sleep over it.
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Crazy scene in #Nikoleav. Pro Russians are #held_back from entering admin building and #protected by the same police unit, they are bashing!
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#Kharkov : police is now supports pro-#Kremlin forces
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#Kharkov : police is now supports pro-#Kremlin forces
“This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” General Wesley Clark
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OK, had you confused. But still it is clearly Russia's business. Where are you from, US really? If Mexico were sending troops to massacre Americans living in Baha California, do you think it would be "none of US' business"? And in Donetsk case it is even more Russia's business because for 300 years it was Russia, it is only part of Ukraine because of some Communist mapmakers stealing this land from Russia and putting it in Ukraine.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


I'm in the US. Your analogy is poor. This isn't about Russian Citizens, it's about Ukrainians of Russian descent.
 Quoting: NawtyBits

That's what you may call them, but that's now what many call themselves (even if they were forced to take Ukrainian passports in 1992 they did not want) and many others are in fact dual Russian / Ukrainian citizens. And even the ones that do consider themselves Ukrainians, they are still ethnic Russians, so clearly Russia's business. Some people watch out for their own, and some even pretend to watch out for others (like NATO in Syria or Libya).
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#Kharkov : police is now supports pro-#Kremlin forces
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The danger is if the police and security forces in the east side with the pro Russians en mass and Kiev sends in troops from the west.
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#Kharkov : police is now supports pro-#Kremlin forces
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The danger is if the police and security forces in the east side with the pro Russians en mass and Kiev sends in troops from the west.
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That could be tricky for sure. This is getting real confusing real fast, what with not knowing whose side will side with who.

A real recipe for a civil war.
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Ukraine Reporter&#8207;@StateOfUkraine·29 secs
#Kharkov : police is now supports pro-#Kremlin forces
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They got scared by the fire.

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#Kharkov : police is now supports pro-#Kremlin forces
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The danger is if the police and security forces in the east side with the pro Russians en mass and Kiev sends in troops from the west.
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And Yanukovych rallies the Eastern forces.....
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Under Ukrainian Constitution (Article 17 IIRC) the military is prohibited from involvement in internal disputes. And from what I understand the military is in complete agreement with this law.

This is why they also never interfered in Maidan.
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OK. But this is really none of Russia's business.
 Quoting: NawtyBits

They're not talking about Ukrainian Army, but special forces (from SBU) and Blackwater mercenaries.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


So what. It could be Santa Claus and Justin Beiber, and it's still none of Russia's business.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


So Russia stay out of it, say nothing, and get more sanctions? That's precisely what Kerry is now saying - heads we win tails you lose.

If Russia do nothing Ukraine will be fucked one way or another for the next several years. On the one hand they'll have crippling debt and civil unrest caused by all the austerity measures, and on the other they'll have Russia clawing at them, making sure that those wounds don't heal.

I personally think that Russia can live with that, profit from it, and live with the sanctions longer than the countries who imposed them can, so we'll start to see some face-saving statements coming from the west so they can start relaxing those sanctions.
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separatists' Zello channel reports white busses w/ #Kyiv number plates near Chuguyiv heading #Donetsk and #Kharkiv. could be National Guard
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OK, had you confused. But still it is clearly Russia's business. Where are you from, US really? If Mexico were sending troops to massacre Americans living in Baha California, do you think it would be "none of US' business"? And in Donetsk case it is even more Russia's business because for 300 years it was Russia, it is only part of Ukraine because of some Communist mapmakers stealing this land from Russia and putting it in Ukraine.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


I'm in the US. Your analogy is poor. This isn't about Russian Citizens, it's about Ukrainians of Russian descent.
 Quoting: NawtyBits

That's what you may call them, but that's now what many call themselves (even if they were forced to take Ukrainian passports in 1992 they did not want) and many others are in fact dual Russian / Ukrainian citizens. And even the ones that do consider themselves Ukrainians, they are still ethnic Russians, so clearly Russia's business. Some people watch out for their own, and some even pretend to watch out for others (like NATO in Syria or Libya).
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Many Ukrainians have dual Polish or Romanian passports, so, using your analogy, Poland should be involved and making "threats", too.

Also, technically, the Ukrainian Constitution prohibits dual citizenship.
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RiaNovosti: Russia Won’t Let NGOs Be Used for Destructive Ends as in Ukraine – Putin

"“Modern Russian legislation creates all of the conditions for the transparent and free activity of non-governmental social organizations, but we will never allow them to be used for destructive goals,” Putin said at a meeting with the country’s Federal Security Service (FSB).

"Putin said NGOs in Ukraine had sponsored nationalistic and neo-Nazi organizations, as well as the gunmen who became “the main striking force of the government’s unconstitutional overthrow” in February."

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Yeah, Russia's neighbor with millions of ethnic Russians but not Russia's business. But it is EU's and US's business. Idiot.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


I never said it was US/EUs business. Stop being a douchebag.
 Quoting: NawtyBits

OK, had you confused. But still it is clearly Russia's business. Where are you from, US really? If Mexico were sending troops to massacre Americans living in Baha California, do you think it would be "none of US' business"? And in Donetsk case it is even more Russia's business because for 300 years it was Russia, it is only part of Ukraine because of some Communist mapmakers stealing this land from Russia and putting it in Ukraine.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


I'm in the US. Your analogy is poor. This isn't about Russian Citizens, it's about Ukrainians of Russian descent.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


I don't know if you are being willfully contentions or you are not aware of the dynamics of Ukraine. The eastern Ukrainians speak Russian and have more in common with their former country, Russia. The western Ukrainisns have resurrected the Ukrainian language since the USSR breakup and now are speaking what they consider their native language and DO not identify or like Russia. It is not a good mix for a country. it will Never survive as a single country, in spite of the usurpers in Kiev. Yeah, I think Russia has an interest in Eastern Ukraine and it's people. I've met several Eastern Ukrainians and I don't think they spoke a word of Ukrainian, although one spoke Spanish and English as well as Russian.
I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.



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#Russian terrorists' site now claiming #UA troops,National Guard & 150 members of American Blackstone group in disguise on way to #Donetsk
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OK, had you confused. But still it is clearly Russia's business. Where are you from, US really? If Mexico were sending troops to massacre Americans living in Baha California, do you think it would be "none of US' business"? And in Donetsk case it is even more Russia's business because for 300 years it was Russia, it is only part of Ukraine because of some Communist mapmakers stealing this land from Russia and putting it in Ukraine.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


I'm in the US. Your analogy is poor. This isn't about Russian Citizens, it's about Ukrainians of Russian descent.
 Quoting: NawtyBits

That's what you may call them, but that's now what many call themselves (even if they were forced to take Ukrainian passports in 1992 they did not want) and many others are in fact dual Russian / Ukrainian citizens. And even the ones that do consider themselves Ukrainians, they are still ethnic Russians, so clearly Russia's business. Some people watch out for their own, and some even pretend to watch out for others (like NATO in Syria or Libya).
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Many Ukrainians have dual Polish or Romanian passports, so, using your analogy, Poland should be involved and making "threats", too.

Also, technically, the Ukrainian Constitution prohibits dual citizenship.
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I see they follow the constitution like Oblama! lol

Many Ukrainians are Russian and or Polish, like the ones in my family. A little bit of everything. My son's GF is jewish/polish/russian. And not one of them will speak slow enough so I can learn their languages other than basic things and swear words.
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That's what you may call them, but that's now what many call themselves (even if they were forced to take Ukrainian passports in 1992 they did not want) and many others are in fact dual Russian / Ukrainian citizens. And even the ones that do consider themselves Ukrainians, they are still ethnic Russians, so clearly Russia's business. Some people watch out for their own, and some even pretend to watch out for others (like NATO in Syria or Libya).
 Quoting: NawtyBits


Many Ukrainians have dual Polish or Romanian passports, so, using your analogy, Poland should be involved and making "threats", too.

Also, technically, the Ukrainian Constitution prohibits dual citizenship.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer

If Kiev were threatening to massacare ethnic Poles in Western Ukraine, I sure hope Poland would try to protect them!!!!

As to constitution what are you writing about?

"Article 25

"A citizen of Ukraine shall not be deprived of citizenship and of the right to change citizenship.

"...

"Ukraine guarantees care and protection to its citizens who are beyond its borders.
"

I left in the last paragraph for your consideration when saying Russians in Ukraine are none of Russia's business.

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Electricity just cut at occupied govt building in Donetsk, raising crackdown fears

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#Russian terrorists' site now claiming #UA troops,National Guard & 150 members of American Blackstone group in disguise on way to #Donetsk
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"Russian terrorists' site" putin ...the rest is true though
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Electricity just cut at occupied govt building in Donetsk, raising crackdown fears

 Quoting: djdandew1


is the 2 hour deadline up that they give the separatist to

leave ? before they attack to take back the buildings
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RiaNovosti: OPINION: Violent Crackdown on Ukrainian Protesters Would End in Civil War

"According to Ishenko, there are several possible reactions by the interim government to the ongoing demonstrations, including launching negotiations, cancelling the upcoming early May 25 presidential election and adopting a new constitution that would provide for a federal form of government and guarantee Russian as an official language."

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OK, had you confused. But still it is clearly Russia's business. Where are you from, US really? If Mexico were sending troops to massacre Americans living in Baha California, do you think it would be "none of US' business"? And in Donetsk case it is even more Russia's business because for 300 years it was Russia, it is only part of Ukraine because of some Communist mapmakers stealing this land from Russia and putting it in Ukraine.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


I'm in the US. Your analogy is poor. This isn't about Russian Citizens, it's about Ukrainians of Russian descent.
 Quoting: NawtyBits

That's what you may call them, but that's now what many call themselves (even if they were forced to take Ukrainian passports in 1992 they did not want) and many others are in fact dual Russian / Ukrainian citizens. And even the ones that do consider themselves Ukrainians, they are still ethnic Russians, so clearly Russia's business. Some people watch out for their own, and some even pretend to watch out for others (like NATO in Syria or Libya).
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Many Ukrainians have dual Polish or Romanian passports, so, using your analogy, Poland should be involved and making "threats", too.

Also, technically, the Ukrainian Constitution prohibits dual citizenship.
 Quoting: NawtyBits


Maybe they would if pro-Russian activists had taken over Kiev and the Western Ukrainians felt threatened. But, that is not the situation.
The pity is that the western Ukrainians just want freedom from all outside forces and they are forced to choose between the devil(US, EU) and the deep blue sea(Russia)
I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.



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Electricity just cut at occupied govt building in Donetsk, raising crackdown fears

 Quoting: djdandew1


is the 2 hour deadline up that they give the separatist to

leave ? before they attack to take back the buildings
 Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box


I believe the deadline is in 40 minutes...
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@mike_giglio 2m
Electricity just cut at occupied govt building in Donetsk, raising crackdown fears

 Quoting: djdandew1


is the 2 hour deadline up that they give the separatist to

leave ? before they attack to take back the buildings
 Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box


if true, crimean self-defence forces are on their way and will liberate those buildingspopcorn asap





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