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Russia's Web Brigades


The web brigades are alleged astroturfing groups linked to the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. They are purported to be teams of commentators that participate in political blogs and Internet forums to promote disinformation and prevent free discussions of undesirable subjects. Allegations of the existence of web brigades were made in the article "The Virtual Eye of the Big Brother" by French journalist Anna Politkovskaya in April, 2003, in US online media Vestnik Online.


An article "Conspiracy theory" by Alexander Yusupovskiy on 25 April 2003, published in Russian online media Russian Journal, edited by Russian politologist Gleb Pavlovsky, criticized Polyanskaya's theory of web brigades as an attempt at creating myths by people claiming to be Russian liberal thinkers in a response to the massive "sobering up" of the Russian people. A point was made that the observed behaviour of forum participants may be explained without a theory of FSB-affiliated brigades.


It was mentioned in the 2007 sociological research of large groups in Russian society by the RIO-Center, the belief in the existence of web-brigades is widespread in RuNet. Authors say "it's difficult to say whether hypothesis of existence of web-brigades corresponds to reality", but acknowledge that users professing views and methods ascribed to members of web-brigades may be found at all opposition forums of RuNet.


In January 2012 leaked information showed numerous references to an army of paid commenters that reportedly operated by pro-Kremlin youth organization Nashi in 2011. In 2013 Freedom House report said Russia (China and Bahrain) are at the forefront of paid, pro-government commenters and similar practices in the world.





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Pentagon to send 25 thousand Ukrainian military rations

International Panorama March 25, two thirty-six UTC +4

According to Rear Admiral John Kirby, the military asked about it themselves

WASHINGTON, March 25. / Correspondent. ITAR-TASS Ivan Lebedev /. The United States will give Ukraine in the coming days for the armed forces of the country about 25 thousand rations. As the official representative of the Ministry of Defense, Rear Admiral John Kirby, the products will be sent to the International Center for Peacemaking and security in Sycamores (Lviv region).
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@L0gg0l: Russian invasion into E. or S. Ukraine likely trigger for further sanctions on Russia, U.S official says
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What else could they do other than cut off the gas...
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They will deny Russians access to American porn sites!
jerkit
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Then Russia will block access to Russian pornstars!
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Pentagon to send 25 thousand Ukrainian military rations

International Panorama March 25, two thirty-six UTC +4

According to Rear Admiral John Kirby, the military asked about it themselves

WASHINGTON, March 25. / Correspondent. ITAR-TASS Ivan Lebedev /. The United States will give Ukraine in the coming days for the armed forces of the country about 25 thousand rations. As the official representative of the Ministry of Defense, Rear Admiral John Kirby, the products will be sent to the International Center for Peacemaking and security in Sycamores (Lviv region).
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cruise
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Pentagon to send 25 thousand Ukrainian military rations

International Panorama March 25, two thirty-six UTC +4

According to Rear Admiral John Kirby, the military asked about it themselves

WASHINGTON, March 25. / Correspondent. ITAR-TASS Ivan Lebedev /. The United States will give Ukraine in the coming days for the armed forces of the country about 25 thousand rations. As the official representative of the Ministry of Defense, Rear Admiral John Kirby, the products will be sent to the International Center for Peacemaking and security in Sycamores (Lviv region).
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cruise
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We can't have them eating each other can we? 25,000 rations, so eat well tomorrow and then what?

If this wasn't so silly it would be sad.
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Yeah that's going to work. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

HEY OBUMMER:

fullretard1
 Quoting: Rogue Coder


West controls the economic world...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56049057


Not really. Banksters do.

And if they like Russia more than EU / US, then that is just the way it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15192920


But they don't... Thus the sanctions... The Russian markets have dropped 400Pts since it began... Billions of dollars in damage already

It's funny when people say Obama has done nothing... The Russian markets are getting blasted
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56049057


Stock market is projection of future income, in times of crisis uncertainty brings it down, if the crisis resolves peacefully it goes right back up, if not, well, the actual damange is being done then (i.e., later).

So far no damage, just speculation of possible future damage.
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Fucking dumb russians.
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Ukrainians are not smarter. Joining the EU and losing Crimea is not a very clever move.
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In EU they will lose even mother's milk

But let them enjoy the ride alien11
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Tbilisi wants to interrogate ex-president Saakashvili ‘despite US concerns’

The US State Department concerns over the Georgian prosecutors’ decision to interrogate former President Mikhail Saakashvili is considered by Tbilisi merely as a partner’s advice, RIA Novosti quoted Georgia’s Deputy Foreign Minister David Dzhalagania as saying on Monday. This would not affect the determination of Georgian authorities to complete investigations, the official said. The former president, who is in the Netherlands, his wife's native country, told Georgian Rustavi 2 television on Sunday that he would not obey the summons to appear on Thursday for questioning in the 2005 death of his prime minister and other cases, AP reported. Saakashvili left Georgia shortly after his second term ended in November.
[link to rt.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55977982


You know, this is HUGE news in Georgia - the list of cases which Saakashvili needs to answer to includes the probable unlawful killing of his own Prime Minister - possibly even by Saakashvili's own hand, along with the theft of over 8 million dollars of state funds, presiding over a prison system where torure and sodomy (with broomsticks) was a widespread practice, selling state property to his friends and family for a knock-down price, trying to bankrupt his rivals, terrorizing the public with a mock TV news report saying that the Russians had invaded (3 people died of heart attacks because of that little PR stunt), and much MUCH more.

WHY is this NOT being reported in the Western Media - there's not a word about it on the BBC website, for instance. This is a major story - but it doesn't fit the narrative, does it?
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Because it is Russian Propaganda!
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War has many dimensions. We can win this through economic war, and I see that playing out.

That is the new skillful way to fight.
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Cyberwar will change everything. Russia and its friends have some significant cyberwar capabilities. Just drain funds from US bank accounts, shut down the stock markets, freeze the electric distribution systems, shut off military communications systems etc. etc.
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Russia's Web Brigades


The web brigades are alleged astroturfing groups linked to the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. They are purported to be teams of commentators that participate in political blogs and Internet forums to promote disinformation and prevent free discussions of undesirable subjects. Allegations of the existence of web brigades were made in the article "The Virtual Eye of the Big Brother" by French journalist Anna Politkovskaya in April, 2003, in US online media Vestnik Online.


An article "Conspiracy theory" by Alexander Yusupovskiy on 25 April 2003, published in Russian online media Russian Journal, edited by Russian politologist Gleb Pavlovsky, criticized Polyanskaya's theory of web brigades as an attempt at creating myths by people claiming to be Russian liberal thinkers in a response to the massive "sobering up" of the Russian people. A point was made that the observed behaviour of forum participants may be explained without a theory of FSB-affiliated brigades.


It was mentioned in the 2007 sociological research of large groups in Russian society by the RIO-Center, the belief in the existence of web-brigades is widespread in RuNet. Authors say "it's difficult to say whether hypothesis of existence of web-brigades corresponds to reality", but acknowledge that users professing views and methods ascribed to members of web-brigades may be found at all opposition forums of RuNet.


In January 2012 leaked information showed numerous references to an army of paid commenters that reportedly operated by pro-Kremlin youth organization Nashi in 2011. In 2013 Freedom House report said Russia (China and Bahrain) are at the forefront of paid, pro-government commenters and similar practices in the world.





[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: HL Shancken


Yup and they are all over this site day and night with their propaganda... they even argue with themselves.. using proxies
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EU and with the rest of the West is making Russia an economic nightmare.

Putin screwed up. Plain and simple and he and his cronies and then that larger country will pay large economic tolls for the illegal annexation of Crimea.

This is how the world works now. Get into the 21st century and accept that the global economic world won't tolerate this.

Russia is fucked
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56049057


RIIIGHT! GREAT OLD WEST done nothing illegal! WOW

15 years ago: NATO's ‘humanitarian’ bombing of Yugoslavia

for their own interests, surpassing UN

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Iraq, UN lol who cares



OH but that how 'world' works today (and yesterday)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56037421


Keep them coming, AC. These are ongoing, still people are dying in the rubble left of Iraq, Libya..all those countries whose deaths came from constant unending lies.
I think it was by Dec. 2004 the bodycount in Iraq was then estimated at 100,000.

The bizarre thing about this with every new country invaded suddenly it's regarded as a new thing.
Guess what, the Ukraine is no different..the same fate awaits them..they will be run over like beercans on the way to isolating Russia.
Same with Syria and Iran who are next.
Even lunatics here tout the destruction of Damascus as some religious thrill.

Just keep the criminals in the spotlight whenever you need a reminder who is standing over us.
Go there often.
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RT &#8207;@RT_com · 4 min
BREAKING: I’ll raise the whole world to reduce Russia to ashes – Tymoshenko in leaked phone tape [link to on.rt.com]


 Quoting: Luisport



video here:


I wonder if its a crime in that part of the world to threaten to kill a sitting President? If so, Yulia may just find herself back in the slammer!
 Quoting: P. Henry


If I remember well , last time a political figure threatened to use a nuclear weapon against another state( although he didn't have one), and the whole world was "shocked", was Iran's president Ahmadinejad , and he was referring to Israel.
Should we expect a similar harsh stance from the civilized world versus Timoschenko's threat?...I didn't think so either, this would totally ruin any decent double standard in US-EU-NATO policies...Just saying.
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Ahmadinejad never made such a threat.

stfu
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Thank you for that. You are the first person on this thread who had the decency to tell the truth.
Majority of posters here are smart enough to know that Ahmadinejad never made this threat and anything else regarding wiping off the map comment was a lie.
Yet it serves their purpose not to mention the truth. This is very shamful.
Indeed the poster from Egypt knew this too when he posted this comment, but collectively it serves all sides to lie in order to make their point seem stronger.
Isn't this attitude exactly the reason we are all in this mess right now?
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@KyleWOrton: UKR Intel Gen: "No attempt must be made to appease Putin, as that will lead to the Third World War." [link to t.co] via @20committee
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This coward should just go fight to get back Crimea or STFU. Appeasement is recognizing the new fascist government, of which this guy is a part.

Funny how every time you don't go full-out nuclear on a dispute it is "appeasement". I vote to banish "appeasement", "Nazi" and "Hitler" from the lexicon ;), nobody know WTF they are talking about and it comes up in every discussion like weeds.
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I've been following this thread closely but noticed Vlad has been relatively quiet since Friday. Anyone else notice this? You know that old saying, "silence speaks volumes"....
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I noted this some many hundred pages back.

Remember how outspoken he was during the Syria situation?

This Ukraine situation is very different just judging by how little he is actually saying.

For me? That's a big tell.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

Or something
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@L0gg0l: Russian invasion into E. or S. Ukraine likely trigger for further sanctions on Russia, U.S official says
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What else could they do other than cut off the gas...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54504562


They will deny Russians access to American porn sites!
jerkit
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Then Russia will block access to Russian pornstars!
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NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!


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Holodomor:
BRIEF SUMMARY

The term Holodomor refers specifically to the brutal artificial famine imposed by Stalin's regime on Soviet Ukraine and primarily ethnically Ukrainian areas in the Northern Caucasus in 1932-33.

In its broadest sense, it is also used to describe the Ukrainian genocide that began in 1929 with the massive waves of deadly deportations of Ukraine's most successful farmers (kurkuls, or kulaks, in Russian) as well as the deportations and executions of Ukraine's religious, intellectual and cultural leaders, culminating in the devastating forced famine that killed millions more innocent individuals. The genocide in fact continued for several more years with the further destruction of Ukraine's political leadership, the resettlement of Ukraine's depopulated areas with other ethnic groups, the prosecution of those who dared to speak of the famine publicly, and the consistent blatant denial of famine by the Soviet regime.
Yes, this is what they want to do again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54622593


Hmm how many others including ethnic Russians suffered under Stalin, Hitler, Israel, the US, ect?

What sense does genocide make for Russia in the Ukraine when Russia has a declining population?

It seems that the current Ukrainian government is more prone to genocide & nuclear war, as can be inffered from their previous history, public statements & actions.
 Quoting: M1.618


The starvation in Ukraine was carried out by a communist
regime that actually killed about three times more Russian citizens than Ukrainians. Stalin was Georgian, his man in charge of implementing and masterminding the famine was Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich, a Ukrainian, Khruschev also a key operative in the Famine was Ukrainian and for his role in the famine was rewarded by being promoted to Premiere in the USSR. Trying to stir up hatred betweeen Russians and Ukrainians by trying to blame the Russian people for the famine doesn't get very far once one researches the key players and operatives responsible for implementing the famine - most of whome turn out to be non-Russian, either Ukrainian or some other minority.
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Bravo, but haters gotta hate, nothing you can do about it :(. Ukrainians always conveniently forget their own role in Communism and Holodomer and many other bad things, it is always easier to blame the other "group".

peace
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Hillary Clinton's comparison of Vladimir Putin and Adolf Hitler checks out [link to www.abc.net.au]
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NEED CONFIRMATION

Power failure plunged much of the Crimean capital, Simferopol, into darkness on Monday, the second partial blackout in two days -@nytimes
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You need confirmation of a NY Times tweet? Do you even understand the news vetting process?
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No, I don't, but would love to learn: pray tell, what procedures of "news vetting" does NYT use for tweets from the field?
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video here:

I wonder if its a crime in that part of the world to threaten to kill a sitting President? If so, Yulia may just find herself back in the slammer!
 Quoting: P. Henry


If I remember well , last time a political figure threatened to use a nuclear weapon against another state( although he didn't have one), and the whole world was "shocked", was Iran's president Ahmadinejad , and he was referring to Israel.
Should we expect a similar harsh stance from the civilized world versus Timoschenko's threat?...I didn't think so either, this would totally ruin any decent double standard in US-EU-NATO policies...Just saying.
 Quoting: Mariush2002


Ahmadinejad never made such a threat.

stfu
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Thank you for that. You are the first person on this thread who had the decency to tell the truth.
Majority of posters here are smart enough to know that Ahmadinejad never made this threat and anything else regarding wiping off the map comment was a lie.
Yet it serves their purpose not to mention the truth. This is very shamful.
Indeed the poster from Egypt knew this too when he posted this comment, but collectively it serves all sides to lie in order to make their point seem stronger.
Isn't this attitude exactly the reason we are all in this mess right now?
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This is another one russian bullshit ! Could someone prove characters were real ? - No ! Imimators, there are plenty of them everywhere. And these were too bad - amateurs !
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@RamiAlLolah: Reports of huge explosion rocking #Turkey #Syria borders.. Second one in 24 hours!!
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I think this thread should be renamed WW3 and perma pinned!
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@RamiAlLolah: #BreakingNews Huge explosion heard in #Reyhanl&#305; or Bab al-Hawa border crossing between #Tureky and #Syria few minutes ago..
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If I remember well , last time a political figure threatened to use a nuclear weapon against another state( although he didn't have one), and the whole world was "shocked", was Iran's president Ahmadinejad , and he was referring to Israel.
Should we expect a similar harsh stance from the civilized world versus Timoschenko's threat?...I didn't think so either, this would totally ruin any decent double standard in US-EU-NATO policies...Just saying.
 Quoting: Mariush2002


Ahmadinejad never made such a threat.

 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Thank you for that. You are the first person on this thread who had the decency to tell the truth.
Majority of posters here are smart enough to know that Ahmadinejad never made this threat and anything else regarding wiping off the map comment was a lie.
Yet it serves their purpose not to mention the truth. This is very shamful.
Indeed the poster from Egypt knew this too when he posted this comment, but collectively it serves all sides to lie in order to make their point seem stronger.
Isn't this attitude exactly the reason we are all in this mess right now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54681128


This is another one russian bullshit ! Could someone prove characters were real ? - No ! Imimators, there are plenty of them everywhere. And these were too bad - amateurs !
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In "Fairyland Rus" cartoon Yanukovich is really wonderful:

[link to www.youtube.com]
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I think this thread should be renamed WW3 and perma pinned!
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hesright
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Open your mind to the images you see when you are asleep. Sense the feeling when you are dormant.

Time is nearing to a close. September is when it all goes down. Mark it down. 6 months.
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I think this thread should be renamed WW3 and perma pinned!
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hesright
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hesright
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A Canadian talking about eating people? That's weird...

During portuguese colonial war in Africa, portuguese troops fought against tribes that drank their enemies blood from skull.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52557879


I was referring back to a poster from Ukraine that was mentioning reports of Ukrainians eating people or something to that effect. I just forgot to quote it. Trust me, I don't eat people while I am surfing the net. lol
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oh my god you eat people while on the net?! tounge
 Quoting: GodzillaReturns


Vore happens! :D

But to a more serious topic, things are SNAFU here. The gas and food prices are going up. Which in term effects a lot of things. I bet when summer comes and harvest time is here, we will see further hoarding and price jumps.

The Government here is talking heavily about rationing water and electricity. As well as limiting freedom of expresson, as it's a "Western notion". Things like that are dangerous in such troubled times is their reasoning behind it. Considering how's there almost no Middle Class in Russia a lot of people are going to suffer over the next years.
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Where is link about government rationing water/electricity? And also on free expression being a "Western notion"? Thanks :)
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Obama getting strong w/Putin said "I always bet on black!" in what was a clearly a misunderstanding of the game Russian Roulette.
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lmao that's a good one, have to remember
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Holodomor:
BRIEF SUMMARY

The term Holodomor refers specifically to the brutal artificial famine imposed by Stalin's regime on Soviet Ukraine and primarily ethnically Ukrainian areas in the Northern Caucasus in 1932-33.

In its broadest sense, it is also used to describe the Ukrainian genocide that began in 1929 with the massive waves of deadly deportations of Ukraine's most successful farmers (kurkuls, or kulaks, in Russian) as well as the deportations and executions of Ukraine's religious, intellectual and cultural leaders, culminating in the devastating forced famine that killed millions more innocent individuals. The genocide in fact continued for several more years with the further destruction of Ukraine's political leadership, the resettlement of Ukraine's depopulated areas with other ethnic groups, the prosecution of those who dared to speak of the famine publicly, and the consistent blatant denial of famine by the Soviet regime.
Yes, this is what they want to do again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54622593


Hmm how many others including ethnic Russians suffered under Stalin, Hitler, Israel, the US, ect?

What sense does genocide make for Russia in the Ukraine when Russia has a declining population?

It seems that the current Ukrainian government is more prone to genocide & nuclear war, as can be inffered from their previous history, public statements & actions.
 Quoting: M1.618


The starvation in Ukraine was carried out by a communist
regime that actually killed about three times more Russian citizens than Ukrainians. Stalin was Georgian, his man in charge of implementing and masterminding the famine was Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich, a Ukrainian, Khruschev also a key operative in the Famine was Ukrainian and for his role in the famine was rewarded by being promoted to Premiere in the USSR. Trying to stir up hatred betweeen Russians and Ukrainians by trying to blame the Russian people for the famine doesn't get very far once one researches the key players and operatives responsible for implementing the famine - most of whome turn out to be non-Russian, either Ukrainian or some other minority.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1593102


Bravo, but haters gotta hate, nothing you can do about it :(. Ukrainians always conveniently forget their own role in Communism and Holodomer and many other bad things, it is always easier to blame the other "group".

peace
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


My grandfather & his generations are from Kiev,
The rest of my ancestors are Russian. When the powers that destroyed
the country known as Russia and formed the USSR, my family left as the alternative was the camps, starvation & death that were part of the result of the USSR for us, like other people who lived there. Including many non indigenous nationalities that migrated there during Peter the greats, reformation of Russia.

The only thing that matters after everything is said and done, is the quality of life, for the common man, in that region. If some feel it is better with the west, they have that option. Yet many feel that it is better with Russia, this is obvious, propaganda aside and their choice should be considered.
Especially when the US (EU whatever) resembles a time in history that could be likened to Stalinist/ Nazi systems of government and population control, during the time these systems were being staged.
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