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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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@russian_market: Heavy battle near Kramatorsk. Ukrainian forces storm separatists.
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Serious question as to whether Russia has unlimited patience. It has been posted many times that Russia's credibility is on the line. All of this discussion about strategy doesn't change the fact that Russia has made statements about protecting people in east Ukraine it has not lived up to as of yet. The referendum gives Putin more options but the occupation, as it now can be called from Russia's perspective, still continues. The reconciliation talks to be held in Donetsk on the 17th if Interfax is to be believed are actually a new threat under the circumstances.
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It's not about patience. Russian special forces are operating in Ukraine since weeks. It's a question about costs. And the Ukrainian army is too strong to keep an open invasion in budget for Russia. Therefore they sent "tourists".
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Visa is no where I want to be, I just want to buy food and shit, Visa thinks they own me, well, rape does not = lovemaking and exploitation does not = stabilization

So Visa is for rich fucks, many Americans are not rich fucks and cannot stand listening to them as leaders either.
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Get ready for a surprise tomorrow - Ponomarev, people's mayor of Sloviansk.
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Did he say that personally? He has been speaking through a representative spokesperson for the most part. Probably better security since he was already rumored killed once.
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I first saw it tweeted here:

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Megalomaniac V.Ponomarev "mayor" #Slavyansk threatens EU with sanctions & "surprise" tomorrow [link to inforesist.org] … pic.twitter.com/F4nHC7M3dB



The pic has him speaking in front of a microphone
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If he said that in person it makes it more interesting. Realistically it is hard to see what sort of surprise it could be but still interesting. No matter what people think, he has been tough and effective as a wartime leader thus far.
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Moscow to find alternative to Visa, MasterCard if they refuse to work in Russia — Lavrov
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For sure. You can even live on Mars. But you can never come back.
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Says who?
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In connection of Putin's isolated world I was saying it.

In connection of Mars:

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Because like I said Nationalism is not Fascism, however Fascism is authoritarianism in the nationalism flavor, basically nationalism is just used to further the authoritarianism. And the Nazis were a political party who were fascists.
Nationalism in itself is patriotism.
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Nationalism is bullshit and FEAR. the concept of nation is just an illusion. maybe we have more in common than you and your neighbour. its just an excuse to mobilize the dumb masses to die for the rich class in their capitalist wars
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I agree. And that's why Germany should import much more Turks from Turkey.
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Then we must throw out the Ccool2roats first. And the rest of the "Yugo"-gang.
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Goes without saying. Why would you want to have so many Yu Nazis is beyond me
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@russian_market: Heavy battle near Kramatorsk. Ukrainian forces storm separatists.
 Quoting: Leonesse
Serious question as to whether Russia has unlimited patience. It has been posted many times that Russia's credibility is on the line. All of this discussion about strategy doesn't change the fact that Russia has made statements about protecting people in east Ukraine it has not lived up to as of yet. The referendum gives Putin more options but the occupation, as it now can be called from Russia's perspective, still continues. The reconciliation talks to be held in Donetsk on the 17th if Interfax is to be believed are actually a new threat under the circumstances.
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Bascially, Russia will supply the weaponry, whatever is needed short of nuclear weapons. But Russia will expect the breakaway republic(s) to raise their own volunteer army and air force (and, if need be, navy) to use them.
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@russian_market: Heavy battle near Kramatorsk. Ukrainian forces storm separatists.
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Serious question as to whether Russia has unlimited patience. It has been posted many times that Russia's credibility is on the line. All of this discussion about strategy doesn't change the fact that Russia has made statements about protecting people in east Ukraine it has not lived up to as of yet. The referendum gives Putin more options but the occupation, as it now can be called from Russia's perspective, still continues. The reconciliation talks to be held in Donetsk on the 17th if Interfax is to be believed are actually a new threat under the circumstances.
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It's not about patience. Russian special forces are operating in Ukraine since weeks. It's a question about costs. And the Ukrainian army is too strong to keep an open invasion in budget for Russia. Therefore they sent "tourists".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40045092


These are public promises that are not being honored. "Russian special forces" have nothing to do with it. If the Ukrainian army is too strong then that means Russia is too weak and that has real consequences for Russia's international credibility. It also costs Russia support on the ground in eastern Ukraine over time. The deaths cannot keep mounting forever unless Russia has decided that it must show unlimited patience. It really doesn't matter what the reason is.
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@russian_market: Heavy battle near Kramatorsk. Ukrainian forces storm separatists.
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Serious question as to whether Russia has unlimited patience. It has been posted many times that Russia's credibility is on the line. All of this discussion about strategy doesn't change the fact that Russia has made statements about protecting people in east Ukraine it has not lived up to as of yet. The referendum gives Putin more options but the occupation, as it now can be called from Russia's perspective, still continues. The reconciliation talks to be held in Donetsk on the 17th if Interfax is to be believed are actually a new threat under the circumstances.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22151615

Bascially, Russia will supply the weaponry, whatever is needed short of nuclear weapons. But Russia will expect the breakaway republic(s) to raise their own volunteer army and air force (and, if need be, navy) to use them.
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They have that option but they have not declared it yet. That is one way to respond but it will invite the same sanctions as invasion would. Right now Russia is just talking and the "special forces" can't eject the Ukraine army from the eastern areas that have declared their independence.
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now with english captions


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Levchenko is actuaaly talking some sense? Is he out of his drugs or something? Or did he just finally understand that his electorate is saying bye-bye to Kiev?
He participiated in a show on Russian TV two times. Both times he was even more loud and annoying than Zhyrinovskiy...
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The kids good but he say "no bandits in the easT" which is as much a lie as "no nazis in the west"

But the chub faced dude barking at the end, is not anyone I would want in charge of my debates. He looks like a total bag of shit.
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That's Turschinov, the one they've named Acting President or something.

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@russian_market: Heavy battle near Kramatorsk. Ukrainian forces storm separatists.
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Serious question as to whether Russia has unlimited patience. It has been posted many times that Russia's credibility is on the line. All of this discussion about strategy doesn't change the fact that Russia has made statements about protecting people in east Ukraine it has not lived up to as of yet. The referendum gives Putin more options but the occupation, as it now can be called from Russia's perspective, still continues. The reconciliation talks to be held in Donetsk on the 17th if Interfax is to be believed are actually a new threat under the circumstances.
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If ukraine is so vital for u.s. interests, as in the perpetuation of the petrodollar, then Russia really has something to be scared of.
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#Tymoshenko: 'If I'm elected prez of #Ukraine, we'll stop the war and reclaim #Crimea.' Easier said than done
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"We'll return Crimea!"
"You've already returned Crimea. Now return South-East."
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

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now with english captions


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Levchenko is actuaaly talking some sense? Is he out of his drugs or something? Or did he just finally understand that his electorate is saying bye-bye to Kiev?
He participiated in a show on Russian TV two times. Both times he was even more loud and annoying than Zhyrinovskiy...
 Quoting: Tamonten


The kids good but he say "no bandits in the easT" which is as much a lie as "no nazis in the west"

But the chub faced dude barking at the end, is not anyone I would want in charge of my debates. He looks like a total bag of shit.
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That's Turschinov, the one they've named Acting President or something.
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I don't see any English captions when I play the clip. Am I the only one?
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Visa is no where I want to be, I just want to buy food and shit, Visa thinks they own me, well, rape does not = lovemaking and exploitation does not = stabilization

So Visa is for rich fucks, many Americans are not rich fucks and cannot stand listening to them as leaders either.
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Drink less alcohol, try working harder, and you will get VISA. And always remember that Putin pays his propaganda commentators very different. Some earn much and can effort VISA. Some cannot.
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Found them. Sorry.
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So you are Rudolph Nureyev?

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@russian_market: Heavy battle near Kramatorsk. Ukrainian forces storm separatists.
 Quoting: Leonesse
Serious question as to whether Russia has unlimited patience. It has been posted many times that Russia's credibility is on the line. All of this discussion about strategy doesn't change the fact that Russia has made statements about protecting people in east Ukraine it has not lived up to as of yet. The referendum gives Putin more options but the occupation, as it now can be called from Russia's perspective, still continues. The reconciliation talks to be held in Donetsk on the 17th if Interfax is to be believed are actually a new threat under the circumstances.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22151615

Bascially, Russia will supply the weaponry, whatever is needed short of nuclear weapons. But Russia will expect the breakaway republic(s) to raise their own volunteer army and air force (and, if need be, navy) to use them.
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Russia already sent special forces. They do not support. They invaded.
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So you are Rudolph Nureyev?

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No, I'm not! I can't even danse at all.
You can see my real name if you'll follow URL to twitter in my profile.
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@russian_market: Heavy battle near Kramatorsk. Ukrainian forces storm separatists.
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Serious question as to whether Russia has unlimited patience. It has been posted many times that Russia's credibility is on the line. All of this discussion about strategy doesn't change the fact that Russia has made statements about protecting people in east Ukraine it has not lived up to as of yet. The referendum gives Putin more options but the occupation, as it now can be called from Russia's perspective, still continues. The reconciliation talks to be held in Donetsk on the 17th if Interfax is to be believed are actually a new threat under the circumstances.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22151615


It's not about patience. Russian special forces are operating in Ukraine since weeks. It's a question about costs. And the Ukrainian army is too strong to keep an open invasion in budget for Russia. Therefore they sent "tourists".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40045092


These are public promises that are not being honored. "Russian special forces" have nothing to do with it. If the Ukrainian army is too strong then that means Russia is too weak and that has real consequences for Russia's international credibility. It also costs Russia support on the ground in eastern Ukraine over time. The deaths cannot keep mounting forever unless Russia has decided that it must show unlimited patience. It really doesn't matter what the reason is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22151615


It's about costs: How much does Putin have to pay to be reelected and to proceed with his corrupt system? Will he spend his money in special forces in Ukraine or in lower food prices in Russia? It's all about an election campaign for Putin. (Of course as far as there are "elections" in Russia.)
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Planes take an even more southern street than in the last few nights. See the empty airspace over Ukraine. Something coming!
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There is another problem looming on the horizon: nuclear energy. Below are three quotes from different sources which highlight some potential consequences.

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Nuclear Power in Ukraine

-- Ukraine is heavily dependent on nuclear energy – it has 15 reactors generating about half of its electricity.

-- Ukraine receives most of its nuclear services and nuclear fuel from Russia.

-- In 2004 Ukraine commissioned two large new reactors. The government plans to maintain nuclear share in electricity production to 2030, which will involve substantial new build.

[snip] (more at link)

Source: World Nuclear Association - WNA
[link to www.world-nuclear.org]

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Ukraine, 16 Nuclear Reactors in a State of Turmoil - Pressure Grows on EU to Hit Ukraine Reginme with Sanctions
Submitted by NUCBIZ on February 20, 2014 - 14:36

Baku, Fineko/abc.az. Ukrainian revolution has finally resulted in a new phenomenon for the world - civil war in nuclear-weapon state.

Yesterday’s events in Kiev and Ukrainian regions leave no other choice for U.S. and Russia, as the guarantors of territorial integrity and stability of this state, except bringing their troops into the territory of Ukraine. They have no other chance to provide security for the nuclear sites in Ukraine and first of all for the largest in Europe Zaporozhskaya nuclear power plant.

[snip] (more at link)

Source: Professional Reactor Operator Society
[link to www.nucpros.com]

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National Revolution and Nuclear Sites Safety. Who’ll Disarm Ukrainian Arms Toting Gunslingers?

Under certain circumstances the nationalist armed formations may capture nuclear stations (the Rovenskaya plant, for instance) and nuclear burials. Who’ll take the AKMS (Kalashnikov modernized automatic rifle) away from gunslinger Sashok Biliy, the new boss in town?!

Having established control over nuclear sites, Nazi will resort to blackmail demanding for themselves top positions in the country’s power agencies like the Ministry of Defense and the Ukrainian Security Service.

The chances of accident increase because militants are totally incompetent; they have no basic knowledge and knacks needed to operate plants. They can be used. The responsibility for nuclear contamination of territory and death of thousands could be shifted by real perpetrators on illiterate and bigoted extremists.

The subversive actions against Ukrainian nuclear plants could be staged by operatives of Western special services infiltrated into the ranks of militants.

Nuclear burials are of special concern. The one in Dneprodzerzhinsk, near Pridneprovsk chemical plant is especially vulnerable.

[snip] (more at link)

Source: Strategic Culture Foundation
[link to m.strategic-culture.org]
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I don't see any English captions when I play the clip. Am I the only one?
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switch them on, bottom right corner
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Got it. Sorry and thanks for posting the clip.
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Putsch fascist killer from Maiden+Right Sector, instrumental in Odessa massacre meets justice
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He was killed?
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May. 12th, 2014 12:50 pm (UTC)
There is something wrong! Clearly!
Vitaly Bud'ko - it Boatswain, who was suspected as a "thick gunners." He did not creeping over the windows in the house of Trade Unions. "Tolstoy in the mask" (presumably Vitaly Bud'ko or Boatswain) was taken to the emergency room, after they have under the guise of "pro-Russian activists" shot by fans and neo-fascists because police cover.

Most likely, it simply eliminated as a witness who could give the necessary evidence.

Thick Maidan on windows in blue shirt - creeping centurion Mikola, improvised Parurupiya (parubeya). I thought it was the same man who had changed. But the centurion Mikola alive.
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#Tymoshenko: 'If I'm elected prez of #Ukraine, we'll stop the war and reclaim #Crimea.' Easier said than done
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"We'll return Crimea!"
"You've already returned Crimea. Now return South-East."
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Hm, wasn't "Russia" a part of Kiew's territory some years ago?
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It's not about patience. Russian special forces are operating in Ukraine since weeks. It's a question about costs. And the Ukrainian army is too strong to keep an open invasion in budget for Russia. Therefore they sent "tourists".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40045092


And where's this strong army now? Or where has it been for last 2 months?

Also I would like to know what proof (except of DoS hearsay) do you have of Russian special forces?

There's a joke I've heard recently.
"Referendum clearly showed that there indeed are agents of Putin in Eastern Ukraine. Several millions of them!"
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Lavrov said that unilateral Western sanctions, if Washington and its allies chose to act against Russia the way they did with Iran, would hurt the Russian economy to a degree, but it would also hurt the West as well. And not only Europe, which has strong trade ties with Russia, but possibly the US as well.

“If the West for the sake of revenge is ready to sacrifice its reputation as a reliable partner for the entire world economy and for the entire world financial system, if the United States is prepared to sacrifice its reputation as the holder of the key reserve currency, then it’s up to them to decide,” he said.

This path would lead to other nations seeking ways to limit America’s leverage on them, Lavrov believes.

“If the next morning somebody in Washington woke up in a bad mood and decided to start a coup elsewhere – not in Ukraine, but in Latin America, in their own backyard as they perceive it – those people must be prepared for this situation,” he said.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov interview to Bloomberg TV channel, Moscow, May 14, 2014

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Serious question as to whether Russia has unlimited patience. It has been posted many times that Russia's credibility is on the line. All of this discussion about strategy doesn't change the fact that Russia has made statements about protecting people in east Ukraine it has not lived up to as of yet. The referendum gives Putin more options but the occupation, as it now can be called from Russia's perspective, still continues. The reconciliation talks to be held in Donetsk on the 17th if Interfax is to be believed are actually a new threat under the circumstances.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22151615


It's not about patience. Russian special forces are operating in Ukraine since weeks. It's a question about costs. And the Ukrainian army is too strong to keep an open invasion in budget for Russia. Therefore they sent "tourists".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40045092


These are public promises that are not being honored. "Russian special forces" have nothing to do with it. If the Ukrainian army is too strong then that means Russia is too weak and that has real consequences for Russia's international credibility. It also costs Russia support on the ground in eastern Ukraine over time. The deaths cannot keep mounting forever unless Russia has decided that it must show unlimited patience. It really doesn't matter what the reason is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22151615


It's about costs: How much does Putin have to pay to be reelected and to proceed with his corrupt system? Will he spend his money in special forces in Ukraine or in lower food prices in Russia? It's all about an election campaign for Putin. (Of course as far as there are "elections" in Russia.)
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I understand what you are saying. Russia has picked a fight it is not prepared to finish. That is what time will tell.
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Raw video of UN-marked Mil Mi-24 helicopter 'used by Kiev against militia'

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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
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#Tymoshenko: 'If I'm elected prez of #Ukraine, we'll stop the war and reclaim #Crimea.' Easier said than done
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"We'll return Crimea!"
"You've already returned Crimea. Now return South-East."
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Hm, wasn't "Russia" a part of Kiew's territory some years ago?
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Oh, goodness. Again this arguements. I'm really glad, that I've took my time compiling index of my postings here.

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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
Visa is no where I want to be, I just want to buy food and shit, Visa thinks they own me, well, rape does not = lovemaking and exploitation does not = stabilization

So Visa is for rich fucks, many Americans are not rich fucks and cannot stand listening to them as leaders either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55794679


Drink less alcohol, try working harder, and you will get VISA. And always remember that Putin pays his propaganda commentators very different. Some earn much and can effort VISA. Some cannot.
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Hehe I am poor American who has integrity and cannot support this shitgov, but as for Visa to work elsewhere, it's damn hard!

No I meant Visa as being essential for paying for shit. No I mean like I have mule and my bro has 500 carrots to trade for the mule, so who needs these debt mongering crapheads and rich capital fuckers like Carlos Slim and shits like that??

We need person to person commerce and ditch the govt and Generals all at once.
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
It's not about patience. Russian special forces are operating in Ukraine since weeks. It's a question about costs. And the Ukrainian army is too strong to keep an open invasion in budget for Russia. Therefore they sent "tourists".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40045092


And where's this strong army now? Or where has it been for last 2 months?

Also I would like to know what proof (except of DoS hearsay) do you have of Russian special forces?

There's a joke I've heard recently.
"Referendum clearly showed that there indeed are agents of Putin in Eastern Ukraine. Several millions of them!"
 Quoting: Tamonten


Here in Hongkong nobody believes that there was a referendum. There were just some prefilled pieces of paper. But you in Russia obviously have your own reality.





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