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Kent User ID: 54313590 Norway 02/24/2014 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Stalin created famines in Crimea in the 20s to depopulate the locals and later exported the survivors to their deaths in the 40's Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20912 Stalin created famines in all Ukraine in the 30's and sent many more to the Gulags from which few escaped alive. To replace millions killed millions of Russians were imported to take over possession. Thats what this is all about. Ukraine owes Russia nothing for decades of extraction, at least no more than any rape and murder victim owes her rapist/murderer. What is being discussed here is what will satisfy the claims of the Marxist/nee Russian rapist/murder for repayment from its victims.. And it is granted by the hand of he who bedazzled you., Dec 30 2005 By David Chirko (Sudbury, Ontario Canada) - See all my reviews This review is from: Fraud, famine and fascism: The Ukrainian genocide myth from Hitler to Harvard (Paperback) Before I review the work in question, let me first say that back on April 27, 1983, Bob McKeown of CBC TV's "The Fifth Estate" program did a one-sided story, produced by Oleh Rumak, on the alleged 1932-3 famine in Ukraine, entitled "The Ukrainian Famine." During 1988, when speaking with visiting, paternal relatives--though of Belarusan/Polish ancestry, but residents of that area, I was apprised that no such famine during these, albeit trying, times ever took place. Incidentally, my aforementioned relatives are practising Christians with no pro-Communist ties. Let me also add that a reliable source regarding the famine issue is an article by Ann Elwood, named, "(9.) Severe Crop Failure In Soviet Union [from] Hearst newspapers, 1935" under "9 Memorable Newspaper Stories That Never Happened" of Chapter 10. "Communications" in "The People's Almanac #3" by David Wallechinsky and Irving Wallace (Toronto: Bantam Books, 1981, page 420). It explains how the "famine" was really a newspaper hoax concocted by the anti-Soviet, anti-semitic and very powerful publishing magnate, William Randolph Hearst, who, through the services of forgerer, ex-jailbird from a Colorado state prison, and self-styled reporter, Robert Green--alias Thomas Walker, utilized a series of photographs from the 1921 Volga famine to create the illusion of mass starvation in Ukraine (where he never set foot in), in the 1930's. Regardless of the factual aspect of a scenario Hearst wished to distort, he was once quoted as saying, "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war." Lindsay Parrot, foreign correspondent, spoke elsewhere in the same Hearst newspapers (if and when it was allowed to be printed) of the abundant harvest in Ukraine! Space doesn't permit me to cover all of the enlightening points in Douglas Tottle's "Fraud, Famine and Fascism" book. However, I'll start by saying it is a landmark volume that debunks the famine myth by elaborating on how the Hearst misinformation campaign evolved in the 1930's, in conjunction with publications by Hitler's Nazis, who, in 1934, acceded to buying world news from Hearst's International News Service. This presaged the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union (who some did not want in the League of Nations, either). The campaign was later developed during the Cold War by Ukrainian Nationalist post World War II emigrants, some of whom fill posts in North American universitys' East European studies departments, using their spurious scholarship to cover up atrocities they committed earlier in their homeland, and who accuse the "Jewish state apparatus" and Soviets of masterminding the "famine." Of note here is Yurij Chumatskyj's anti-semitic work, "Why Is One Holocaust Worth More Than Others?" (Lidcombe, Australia: Veterans of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, 1986), which Tottle examines. My only peeve with this superlative book is that it lacks an index--which would be most helpful. Tottle's book is mandatory reading for those seeking verisimilitude regarding William Randolph Hearst's yellow journalism and anti-semitic, famine propaganda campaign. To conclude, I will say that I am not Left on the political spectrum. I know that Stalin sent many of his opponents to the Gulags--or had them murdered outright. However, he did not deliberately have starved to death millions of Ukrainians in 1932-3. Douglas Tottle's "Fraud, Famine and Fascism" amply proves this. Read it and remember: propaganda is insidiously seductive and it is granted by the hand of he who bedazzled you. www.amazon.ca/Fraud-famine-fascism-Ukrainian-genocide/dp/0919396518 Thank you for this contribution!! Take care |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54811334 Egypt 02/24/2014 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 looks legit people. Vlad Moran in Kiev just twittered this pic of Russian armored scout troops on the outskirts of Kiev. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52090858 [link to tinypic.com] If that's genuine, holy shit, how did they get near Kiev already? Only thing I can say to what you are saying is what i have said all along. Do you guys ACTUALLY believe Russia will broadcast what it is doing. Im in full belief that while we have been arguing here they have been mobilizing quietly. Hello - Vlad Moran? And it's from 2008 Georgia war ;) If anything is moving we won't see pics or see it on MSM. |
Gorgol
User ID: 1278422 Netherlands 02/24/2014 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 So we can say, there's no movement of troops from Russia, just lots disinfo and misinfo. But there's other stuff going on by NATO in Ukraine seems, plus Israel in Syria and Lebanon front inciting to start something. There was heavy shelling in Golan a couple days ago. Very telling... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54811334 Sure starting to sound WW to me. Israel & Hezbollah going again as well Last Edited by Gorgol on 02/24/2014 05:12 PM Gorgol -No Jab, No Jitter |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14739362 United Kingdom 02/24/2014 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Where have the Police gone in Kiev? Watching UK news and it showed parliament being protected by yobs, they said the Police are no where to be found. Mob rule in Kiev! Where have the Police gone? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17507338 United States 02/24/2014 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Gregor Peter ‏@L0gg0l · 4 min Quoting: Luisport TURKEY'S MAIN OPPOSITION PARTY SAYS ERDOGAN GOVERNMENT LOST ALL LEGITIMACY, MUST RESIGN well how fucking cute is that the Ukraine is starting to blow up. and all of a sudden Turkey pops up. and Israel and the Army of god are at it again. Guys this is how World Wars Start because they look like they are playing this for real now. I don't know any thing about the Turkish Government that PM Erdogan is part of are they a solid pro EU and if this government does resign. could a more anti EU-pro Russia Government step in. because Turkey in Nato is a very important part of Nato containment against Russia and with the Ukraine crisis going on and getting hotter I find it very interesting this is happen right now. |
SnakeBite
User ID: 53982305 Canada 02/24/2014 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 So we can say, there's no movement of troops from Russia, just lots disinfo and misinfo. But there's other stuff going on by NATO in Ukraine seems, plus Israel in Syria and Lebanon front inciting to start something. There was heavy shelling in Golan a couple days ago. Very telling... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54811334 Not what ive heard from Russians that i know. Word is troops are on the way. I cannot in anyway confirm this as it is information my friend is getting from his grandmother who lives in crimea |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54811334 Egypt 02/24/2014 05:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 So we can say, there's no movement of troops from Russia, just lots disinfo and misinfo. But there's other stuff going on by NATO in Ukraine seems, plus Israel in Syria and Lebanon front inciting to start something. There was heavy shelling in Golan a couple days ago. Very telling... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54811334 Not what ive heard from Russians that i know. Word is troops are on the way. I cannot in anyway confirm this as it is information my friend is getting from his grandmother who lives in crimea She's probably hoping for that after all the threats against them there. As I said, if there's movements we won't see or hear about it. Can't blame them for taking precaucions. Good luck to your friend's grandmother there. |
Lime Flavoured Redux
User ID: 54630658 United Kingdom 02/24/2014 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The Interpreter ‏@Interpreter_Mag 2m Ukraine Liveblog: Two VERY disturbing signs that Russia could indeed be making preparations for invading Crimea [link to www.interpretermag.com] |
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SnakeBite
User ID: 53982305 Canada 02/24/2014 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 So we can say, there's no movement of troops from Russia, just lots disinfo and misinfo. But there's other stuff going on by NATO in Ukraine seems, plus Israel in Syria and Lebanon front inciting to start something. There was heavy shelling in Golan a couple days ago. Very telling... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54811334 Not what ive heard from Russians that i know. Word is troops are on the way. I cannot in anyway confirm this as it is information my friend is getting from his grandmother who lives in crimea She's probably hoping for that after all the threats against them there. As I said, if there's movements we won't see or hear about it. Can't blame them for taking precaucions. Good luck to your friend's grandmother there. My friend is very worried for her. And apparently they are even more worried. They fully think nazis have come and they are preparing for them as we speak here. Think about that, There is a place on this planet right now that is fully getting ready to repel what they believe is a full blown nazi take over. HOLY FUCKING SHIT I LIVE IN A MOVIE! |
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User ID: 54754051 France 02/24/2014 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The Interpreter ‏@Interpreter_Mag 2m Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux Ukraine Liveblog: Two VERY disturbing signs that Russia could indeed be making preparations for invading Crimea [link to www.interpretermag.com] |
Gorgol
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 52090858 Australia 02/24/2014 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 looks legit people. Vlad Moran in Kiev just twittered this pic of Russian armored scout troops on the outskirts of Kiev. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52090858 [link to tinypic.com] If that's genuine, holy shit, how did they get near Kiev already? Maybe they did an Armored Thrust Maneuver from Novozybkov to the northeast? It only takes 4 hours 42 minutes to drive from Russia to Kiev! [link to www.gomapper.com] |
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Flameworker
User ID: 10990462 United States 02/24/2014 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Where have the Police gone in Kiev? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14739362 Watching UK news and it showed parliament being protected by yobs, they said the Police are no where to be found. Mob rule in Kiev! Where have the Police gone? Check this out.. *snip from link* "How does it look, when the roles change? Ukraine after the fall of Yanukovych. A bunch of armed vigilantes from pro-Nazi "Bandera" movement identify and question scared cops. Nazi vigilant to cop: "Your ID!" Scared cop quietly: "Good afternoon. Who are you Sir? Why should I give you my ID?" Nazi vigilant: "I have the authority of the supreme parliament! I'm also armed, so do not let me use it as the last tool!" Cop quietly: "I'm armed also." Nazi vigilant yelling: "I'm armed, and you are armed. Who do you think will be killed?! This is the last warning, give me your ID!" Read more at [link to www.liveleak.com] Read more at [link to www.liveleak.com] [liveleak] [link to www.liveleak.com] Last Edited by Flameworker on 02/24/2014 05:20 PM MORE FIRE!!!... and sling it while it's hot.!! Ass, gas, or grass, nobody rides for free.! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20912 United States 02/24/2014 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The Russian Ukrainians so love their country that they want RUSSIA to come in and take if over for them. I cant wait for all the posters thinking that minority rule makes sense demanding that Mexico come in to save the USA, although in the states Mexicans may not be minorities for very long. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54811334 Egypt 02/24/2014 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 So we can say, there's no movement of troops from Russia, just lots disinfo and misinfo. But there's other stuff going on by NATO in Ukraine seems, plus Israel in Syria and Lebanon front inciting to start something. There was heavy shelling in Golan a couple days ago. Very telling... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54811334 Not what ive heard from Russians that i know. Word is troops are on the way. I cannot in anyway confirm this as it is information my friend is getting from his grandmother who lives in crimea She's probably hoping for that after all the threats against them there. As I said, if there's movements we won't see or hear about it. Can't blame them for taking precaucions. Good luck to your friend's grandmother there. My friend is very worried for her. And apparently they are even more worried. They fully think nazis have come and they are preparing for them as we speak here. Think about that, There is a place on this planet right now that is fully getting ready to repel what they believe is a full blown nazi take over. HOLY FUCKING SHIT I LIVE IN A MOVIE! How old is she? If she's over 80 then she probably has still memories or at least those stories in her head told by her mother/father, no wonder they're scared. I hope they stay safe |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54755929 Portugal 02/24/2014 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The Interpreter ‏@Interpreter_Mag 2m Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux Ukraine Liveblog: Two VERY disturbing signs that Russia could indeed be making preparations for invading Crimea [link to www.interpretermag.com] |
Double O Zero
User ID: 10397260 United States 02/24/2014 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 A bit tangential, but if NATO and Russian forces are staring each other down in Ukraine, how long do you think it would take before the Chinese nab some of those islands they've been agitating about for months now? This is a very WWI like situation, where countries mobilizing and acting in their interests could lead to very unexpected results. The lines might surprise people, but I don't think a war would be nuclear, oddly enough. The big countries will still be there, but the governments and lines may change. It may not come to that, but I wouldn't be surprised. What I wonder about Ukraine though, is if Putin demands Crimea back to Russia as the price for "peace in our time", if that ends it. It should, but I doubt it will. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54811334 Egypt 02/24/2014 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Where have the Police gone in Kiev? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14739362 Watching UK news and it showed parliament being protected by yobs, they said the Police are no where to be found. Mob rule in Kiev! Where have the Police gone? Check this out.. *snip from link* "How does it look, when the roles change? Ukraine after the fall of Yanukovych. A bunch of armed vigilantes from pro-Nazi "Bandera" movement identify and question scared cops. Nazi vigilant to cop: "Your ID!" Scared cop quietly: "Good afternoon. Who are you Sir? Why should I give you my ID?" Nazi vigilant: "I have the authority of the supreme parliament! I'm also armed, so do not let me use it as the last tool!" Cop quietly: "I'm armed also." Nazi vigilant yelling: "I'm armed, and you are armed. Who do you think will be killed?! This is the last warning, give me your ID!" Read more at [link to www.liveleak.com] Read more at [link to www.liveleak.com] [liveleak] [link to www.liveleak.com] Like I said earlier, NATO/PRO-EU Thugs, armed with Kalshnikov's are protecting the gangsters in Kiev right now. This is not like the MSM is reporting it. I just watch shaking my head and getting angry when they show the Parliament, new President, who looks like a Mafia Boss. I feel like I'm watching a really bad movie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54571335 France 02/24/2014 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18498458 This is just raving madness. Everyone knows that white people have been in North America since the time of the Vikings. Also there is no group of Russians waving a Russian flag in the United States. Are you retarded. were the vikkings the majority of people living in Murika before getting whacked by the "otherwhites". who tells you about group of russians waving a russian flag in the US? are you Kanye west or Katy perry? You argue like a rabid dog. touched a nerve didn't i? No you are just angry and don't make any sense. rabid dog is a good analogy. All I heard was "blah blah profanity Kanye west." It didn't make a lot of sense. |
Gorgol
User ID: 1278422 Netherlands 02/24/2014 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Where have the Police gone in Kiev? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14739362 Watching UK news and it showed parliament being protected by yobs, they said the Police are no where to be found. Mob rule in Kiev! Where have the Police gone? Check this out.. *snip from link* "How does it look, when the roles change? Ukraine after the fall of Yanukovych. A bunch of armed vigilantes from pro-Nazi "Bandera" movement identify and question scared cops. Nazi vigilant to cop: "Your ID!" Scared cop quietly: "Good afternoon. Who are you Sir? Why should I give you my ID?" Nazi vigilant: "I have the authority of the supreme parliament! I'm also armed, so do not let me use it as the last tool!" Cop quietly: "I'm armed also." Nazi vigilant yelling: "I'm armed, and you are armed. Who do you think will be killed?! This is the last warning, give me your ID!" Read more at [link to www.liveleak.com] Read more at [link to www.liveleak.com] [liveleak] [link to www.liveleak.com] A nice lesson for all police. Last Edited by Gorgol on 02/24/2014 05:24 PM Gorgol -No Jab, No Jitter |
Corn Dog
User ID: 28518686 United States 02/24/2014 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The Interpreter ‏@Interpreter_Mag 2m Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux Ukraine Liveblog: Two VERY disturbing signs that Russia could indeed be making preparations for invading Crimea [link to www.interpretermag.com] Why would they need to invade Crimea? The majority of citizens are Russian. I think the question to ask is who is looking out for the citizens? Whether Ukraine or Russian who has their best interest at heart? |