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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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@lennutrajektoor: Video: 4:15 #Slaviansk May 19 early morning terrorists' attack on #ATO positions @ TV tower.
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going on right now


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Video: #Slaviansk May 19 early morning terrorists' attack on #ATO positions @ TV tower.

[link to www.youtube.com]

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USA will fight Russia until last ukrainian... :(
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27520631


Was it Nuland that said that or McCain?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57703222


the U.S. and NATO are not going to fight Russia.
you Ukrainians are on your own.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58116557


Russia and Pro Russia have shown their hands which hold guns and Ukraine must fight back to protect herself. Most people have lived peacefully together in Ukraine but now some don't want peace. United we stand divided we fall.
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Russia's hopes of selling gas to China are fading

[link to www.themoscowtimes.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58142790


Russia and China are in this fight together. remember "Lend-Lease"?
well, the Russians never paid a penny.


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This fight at the TV tower hill sounds pretty serious.

From what I can tell, it looks and sounds like the terrorists are using mortars on the hill and the Ukr military at the hill are resonding with cannon fire and light guns.

This last video is a great vantage point of the hill from Sloviansk. I wish we could get a live feed from here!
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Russia's hopes of selling gas to China are fading

[link to www.themoscowtimes.com]
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and the article says exactly the opposite. you should be banned for stuff like this
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We are under a heavy propaganda war raging from all sides. I mean, how many Conchitas being shoved down your throat day and night through the MSM can you endure until you utter the words "Hitler Was Right"?

The Golden Dawn

It was in contact with similar German societies, some of whose members were later associated with Rudolf Steiner's famous anthroposophical movement and other influential sects during the pre-Nazi period. Later on it came under the leadership of Aleister Crowley,.........

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57703222


Since when is Crowley against deviance?

or Nazi's for that matter?

[link to constitutionalistnc.tripod.com]

like I've been saying..the queer NWO is butthurt over Putins decision to limit homosexual behavior at the olympics and seem willing to start WW3 over it.
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Any real arguements?
 Quoting: Tamonten


Kulaks were powerful and wealthy landowners who never wanted communism. The only way for to turn them communist was to starve the whole nation and confiscate property and send anyone who objected to the Gulags or kill them..
Not that it is really worth responding to your unfortunate lies. It seems your are extremely well educated in some respects and very much a product of propaganda in other respects. Not uncommon from someone who has been to university but has no other real source of information ie. actually talking to survivors or looking at sources not sanctioned by Academia in your particular part of the world.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


It is not true that only Russian academics question the "deliberate starvation" aspect of the famine of the period nor is it true that only Russian academics question the number of deaths. Check out The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933 by R.W. Davies and Stephen G. Wheatcrof, Emeritus professors of University of Birmingham and University of Melbourne respectively. It is an exhaustive modern work and they are clearly not apologists for Stalin's brutal policies towards the peasants. So there is that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1582927


Man, that's impressive! Emeritus professors. Likely have access to the same info and files as Professor Sutton and yet don't show the least interest that the alleged mortal enemy of communists --Wall Street Capitalists --- conspired to make communism work in the Soviet Union.

Yeah that's what I call scholarly integrity! Write a "how many angels dance on the head of a pin," study of Ukrainian starvation and somehow forget to connect the dots. They must be well paid.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58212379


Keep in mind that you are doubting the credibility of well researched and tenured people who are subject to peer review. If we adopt your standard of credibility, whatever it is, and for everyone equally, where does this leave your own, anonymous coward?
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Crimea was a very big loss to Ukraine. [link to www.nytimes.com]
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Crimea was a very big loss to Ukraine. [link to www.nytimes.com]
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and now they're fixing to lose all of their prime agricultural land.

:)
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We are under a heavy propaganda war raging from all sides. I mean, how many Conchitas being shoved down your throat day and night through the MSM can you endure until you utter the words "Hitler Was Right"?

The Golden Dawn

It was in contact with similar German societies, some of whose members were later associated with Rudolf Steiner's famous anthroposophical movement and other influential sects during the pre-Nazi period. Later on it came under the leadership of Aleister Crowley,.........

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57703222


Since when is Crowley against deviance?

or Nazi's for that matter?

[link to constitutionalistnc.tripod.com]

like I've been saying..the queer NWO is butthurt over Putins decision to limit homosexual behavior at the olympics and seem willing to start WW3 over it.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Kissinger: One has to ask oneself this question: He spent $60 billion on the Olympics. They had opening and closing ceremonies, trying to show Russia as a normal progressive state. So it isn't possible that he, three days later, would voluntarily start an assault on Ukraine.

[link to globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com]
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@shelomovskiy: #Donetsk: TV signal if off at our hotel. Reception says there's no signal from the TV tower
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Kulaks were powerful and wealthy landowners who never wanted communism. The only way for to turn them communist was to starve the whole nation and confiscate property and send anyone who objected to the Gulags or kill them..
Not that it is really worth responding to your unfortunate lies. It seems your are extremely well educated in some respects and very much a product of propaganda in other respects. Not uncommon from someone who has been to university but has no other real source of information ie. actually talking to survivors or looking at sources not sanctioned by Academia in your particular part of the world.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


It is not true that only Russian academics question the "deliberate starvation" aspect of the famine of the period nor is it true that only Russian academics question the number of deaths. Check out The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933 by R.W. Davies and Stephen G. Wheatcrof, Emeritus professors of University of Birmingham and University of Melbourne respectively. It is an exhaustive modern work and they are clearly not apologists for Stalin's brutal policies towards the peasants. So there is that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1582927


Man, that's impressive! Emeritus professors. Likely have access to the same info and files as Professor Sutton and yet don't show the least interest that the alleged mortal enemy of communists --Wall Street Capitalists --- conspired to make communism work in the Soviet Union.

Yeah that's what I call scholarly integrity! Write a "how many angels dance on the head of a pin," study of Ukrainian starvation and somehow forget to connect the dots. They must be well paid.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58212379


Keep in mind that you are doubting the credibility of well researched and tenured people who are subject to peer review. If we adopt your standard of credibility, whatever it is, and for everyone equally, where does this leave your own, anonymous coward?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35308151


What do you mean by well researched people? Do you mean a person who has had a security check, or should you have written people who research well? At any rate, bucko, there are plenty of credible tenured professors, so I figure I can pick and choose what academics I read and respect based on my own interests and studies. I'm not particularly interested in why the Soviet bureaucracy fucked up without understanding who was the Soviet bureaucracy and who funded and supported the Bolshevik revolution.
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@lennutrajektoor: Video: 4:15 #Slaviansk May 19 early morning terrorists' attack on #ATO positions @ TV tower.
 Quoting: Leonesse


I only see explosions near the TV tower where the Ukrainian fascists are located. Do they not have the ability to return fire of equal power? That would explain why the so called "antiterrorist operation" continues to fail. How hard is it to take a city controlled by overweight men in their 50s and 60s?
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I beg to differ on the subject of kulaks or "rich peasants." They were not rich and powerful land owners but rather the descendants of serfs freed from the land by Alexander II. Instead of just turfing them out like the US did with it's slaves, the Tsar divided large estates and distributed small holdings to the former serfs which they farmed and and value added to their output starting dairies, making sausages, pickling vegetables etc.

Their industry paid off and village life flourished. Naturally they did not want to give their land up to the state theft of the Bolsheviks and in response, as well as to raise money on the international market, the Communists seized their output and they starved.

It's also true what Tamonten says, this did not just happen in Ukraine.
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They are not trying to take the cities. I believe they are intentionally dragging out the operations so they can move more machines and men into the regions. After the elections in kiev there will be a full attack on the antimaidan areas. This in turn will facilitate a large armed force on the border of Russia. Dangerous times my friends..
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Is there any AC here who is from the pro-Ukrainian/pro-west/pro-USorEU/pro-NATO/anti-Russian side who has been able to post for more than a few hours without being banned from the forum?

It looks like all pro-Ukraine and/or anti-Russian AC's are being banned from the forum after a few posts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58142790


You're gonna get reported / banned if you come in here calling anything not agreeing with your point of view a nazi, fascist, or a shill.

Be objective, try to see both sides.

Straight up name calling and other nonsense shenanigans are going to get you banned. They're not productive, informative, or useful. And, generally speaking, when people see it they simply think it's dumb.

Being open and having a discussion won't get you banned. Here's an example.

Poster 1: I think Russia / Ukraine has the higher moral ground.
Poster 2: Effin' stupid mother effin' nazi fascist scumbag shill, you are stupid.

Poster 2 = banned -> EVERYTIME

Bring a reasonable argument to defend claims or position and not resort to the above example = not banned.
 Quoting: The Årtist


I have not done any of that. Only posted updates which would be seen as pro-Ukrainian government and keep getting banned.


If what you say is true, then we should have AC's from the pro-Ukrainian pro-western side who have been posting in this thread for a while without getting banned then right?

maybe they will show up and prove me wrong ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58142790


The forum does auto ban from time to time as well. It's a method to get frequent "free" users to help the forum financially.
 Quoting: The Årtist


And then there are the A-ban for certain subjects and words
(not foul language) and the A-delete (60 seconds) for same.

And then off course the permaban.

Where have most of original posters (+ a few more) gone.

Lots of info out there.

Take care
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IP changing is a bannable offense in and of itself

Do you guys wanna trash this thread up or do you wanna get back to a good exchange of current events?

I just can't understand for the life of me why all you new guys from all these different places wouldn't wanna do that...
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Every time I restart my computer the IP changes. I have a so called internet stick, because where I live there is no cable. What I don't understand that the mods of GLP don't know that some people can not avoid IP changing.

I do not know how this works, but even if I did know, it would be too stupid to do this.

If NotZuck does this, I think that's not good at all , although I quite agree with what he had written under his name. I hate lies and deceit . I wonder what his " agenda " is/was. At least I'm pretty sure he is from Luxembourg or from the area, I had him tested . Since he is averted, the "news flow" is apparently quite declined.

My " agenda " is that I want to have a few peaceful years ahead and can see my daughter grow up . Unfortunately, I could so far little to contribute news , maybe I'm too slow. Sometimes I try to add a different perspective added to a posting. Sometimes it needs to see the bigger picture to understand the news. Maybe that someone sees this as BS or " shilling ", whatever that means.

Now I hope that I will not be banned for these explanations. .
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Kulaks were powerful and wealthy landowners who never wanted communism. The only way for to turn them communist was to starve the whole nation and confiscate property and send anyone who objected to the Gulags or kill them..
Not that it is really worth responding to your unfortunate lies. It seems your are extremely well educated in some respects and very much a product of propaganda in other respects. Not uncommon from someone who has been to university but has no other real source of information ie. actually talking to survivors or looking at sources not sanctioned by Academia in your particular part of the world.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


It is not true that only Russian academics question the "deliberate starvation" aspect of the famine of the period nor is it true that only Russian academics question the number of deaths. Check out The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933 by R.W. Davies and Stephen G. Wheatcrof, Emeritus professors of University of Birmingham and University of Melbourne respectively. It is an exhaustive modern work and they are clearly not apologists for Stalin's brutal policies towards the peasants. So there is that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1582927


Man, that's impressive! Emeritus professors. Likely have access to the same info and files as Professor Sutton and yet don't show the least interest that the alleged mortal enemy of communists --Wall Street Capitalists --- conspired to make communism work in the Soviet Union.

Yeah that's what I call scholarly integrity! Write a "how many angels dance on the head of a pin," study of Ukrainian starvation and somehow forget to connect the dots. They must be well paid.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58212379


Keep in mind that you are doubting the credibility of well researched and tenured people who are subject to peer review. If we adopt your standard of credibility, whatever it is, and for everyone equally, where does this leave your own, anonymous coward?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35308151



To my knowledge there are some reasons to doubt the publications of scientific societies. Even in the field of natural sciences some scammers have been exposed, even though their "findings" were previously recognized as scientifically correct. Peer review does not work 100% correctly, and the reviewer may be biased.
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Russia transfers special signalers to the border with Ukraine

[link to www.kyivpost.com]

In recent days there was a transfer of communication specialists FSO RF to the Ukrainian border. Roman Burko wrote about this on his Facebook page.

“Our sources in the Defence Ministry reported that in recent days there has been fixed transfer of FSO RF communications specialists to the Ukrainian border. Russian special signallers transferred to the Russian border town of Kamensk-Shakhtinskiy, which is near the border checkpoint “Izvarino” in town Krasnodon, Luhansk region; there pro-Russian militants have already established two checkpoints, which are blocking the main roads from Ukraine.

The way from the Russian territory through “Izvarino” in Krasnodon is fully open to smuggling of arms and transfer of Russian fighters. It is noteworthy that the main task of the FSO specialists, which are transferred to Kamensk-Shakhtinskiy, apart from organization of SCS is opto-electronic reconnaissance of the ground using UAVs,” – says Roman.

“These border towns require increased attention from the ATO. If these arteries are not closed then the violent conflict in the Donbas will be constantly fed by new terrorist forces from the Russian Federation!” – added journalist.

“In addition to town Krasnodon in Krasniy Lutch district of Luhansk region there is also a problem with a border zone. There was a break through of 6 KAMAZ and 1 URAL vehicles with arms and people,” – he reminded.
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@lennutrajektoor: Per #Ukraine TCH channel morgue in #Slaviansk is full. Terrorists berry their dead in woods. #ATO
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LOL This conflict is no longer newsworthy stuff
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#Donbass Heavy fighting this morning near TV station #Slavyansk as self defense attacks #Kiev regime forces [link to www.youtube.com] …

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going on right now


lennutrajektoor @lennutrajektoor
Video: #Slaviansk May 19 early morning terrorists' attack on #ATO positions @ TV tower.

[link to www.youtube.com]


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58142790



This fight at the TV tower hill sounds pretty serious.

From what I can tell, it looks and sounds like the terrorists are using mortars on the hill and the Ukr military at the hill are resonding with cannon fire and light guns.

This last video is a great vantage point of the hill from Sloviansk. I wish we could get a live feed from here!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58142790




UPDATE on that:

ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK
Source: 1 Ukrainian soldier was killed and 3 injured in a rebel mortar attack on their position near #Sloviansk
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After the elections in kiev there will be a full attack on the antimaidan areas.
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Which, given that Berkut had a hand in tampering with the last elections before the coup in which 100 people lost their lives, it's not hard to understand why Kiev will fight against those elements that cost so many lives.

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Condoleezza Rice with her own version of "FUCK THE EU"

CUI BONO ?


 Quoting: firinne


WAR TALK!

How stupid can they be to go in war with nuclear superpower?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55337742


I think these lunatics actually believe what they are seeing through their own geopolitical goggles, as in best case scenario is massive military budget increase and the supply of gas and oil to the EU by US and Canadian corps.
 Quoting: firinne


All I heard was we need customers and we have chosen Europe and we intend to supply to them.

Do we have a choice over here, why not approach through the normal Chanel and negotiate an agreement in a suitable time scale. Instead of rushing things through and giving us little choice where we get supplies from. Not to mention the infrastructure is not even in place yet.
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PUTIN ORDERS TROOPS ON UKRAINE BORDER BACK TO BASE - PUTIN SPOKESMAN

Yes, I know that was supposed to have happened last week too, but its a new press release!
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