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DoS is now apparently blaming anti-Kiev (or "pro-Russian") activists for violence in Mariupol. I'm not even surprised anymore.

I'll quote something from one rather unortodox history book (translation from Russian by google and me, so very far from perfection):
"1875. Revolt against the Turks in Herzegovina spread to Bosnia, Serbia and Bulgaria. In May 1876 in Bulgaria there was a particularly large-scale massacre, which was supposed to have horrified the civilized world. So-called bashi-bazouks - Turkish irregular troops (as if to call them in a modern way - legal armed groups) - slaughtered 12,000 Bulgarian peasants. Europe was forced to condemn the Turks scournfully. They blame everything on the Russian Tsar, who had fueled unrest and forced poor bashi-bazouks to slaughter peasants.
To Benjamin Disraeli - now Prime Minister - the massacre victims do not cause much sympathy. He regards it as a kitchen gossip."
- Mikhail Leontyev, "The Great Game: British Empire vs. Russia and USSR" (2007)


History really likes to repeat itself.

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That is correct. More Ukrainians died in WWII than did Russians.
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NOPE..^^^^^^


Ukraine lost.... 6.8 million (1.8 military)

Russia lost 14 million.... (6.7 military)

USSR as a whole lost....26.5 million (10.7 million military)

 Quoting: firinne

Maybe its, more ukrainians died than Russia lost from military loss??
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Ukraine lost about 9 million of which 3.5 military. Losses are higher relative to total number of Ukrainians living in the SU. The highest losses relative to population was in Belarus.
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Well, it is good moment to clarify, that in fact second ww was started by Germany and Russia. Bolsheviks and fascists were cooperating very closely. Hitter's army just before iiww was training on soviet theritory. They even did tests with chemical weapon sprayed from airplanes.
There were factories build by Germans in soviet Union, building weapon for nazistów - heavy weapons, not just guns.
Seeing pro-Kremlin troops with signs of soviet Union, crying that they are attacked by fascists, is really funny. Also here, some antifascist activists and fans shouting about bad fascists and advocating " good people " guided by kgb officer makes me funny, but also frightened.
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Red Cross staff detained by Russian terrorist rebels in eastern Ukraine for ‘spying’ (AFP)
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Morning ! Nothing happened in Donestk this night ?
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Well, it is good moment to clarify, that in fact second ww was started by Germany and Russia. Bolsheviks and fascists were cooperating very closely. Hitter's army just before iiww was training on soviet theritory. They even did tests with chemical weapon sprayed from airplanes.
There were factories build by Germans in soviet Union, building weapon for nazistów - heavy weapons, not just guns.
Seeing pro-Kremlin troops with signs of soviet Union, crying that they are attacked by fascists, is really funny. Also here, some antifascist activists and fans shouting about bad fascists and advocating " good people " guided by kgb officer makes me funny, but also frightened.
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Well, many of factories in Germany was built by American and British companies. Why do you think Allies's bombers preferred to target people and not factories during bombing of Dresden?

Last Edited by Tamonten on 05/10/2014 03:19 AM
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian – ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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Tbh the most plausible plan was.

Demonize Russia and make Europe cut all trade with Russia and force it to completely switch its energy dependence from Russian gas to US imported shale gas. But then i dug a bit into the shale gas thingy and it looks like there's no logistical or infrastructural base as of yet that could cover any exports to Europe. It could be possible not earlier than 2022 to switch to US shale gas. So what will happen until then? The rise of the 4th Reich in Ukraine, Baltic States and Poland?
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Its for that reason I,m surprised the US innitiated this whole regime change operation in Ukraine before they removed Assad from Syria. As this whole removal of Assad thing is all about laying down a Qatari/Isreali gas pipeline to the EU via Syria, needless to say Assad SAID NO TO THIS PIPELINE, so the MSM made him public enemy no1. Though the true intention of the US here could be to provoke the Russians into invading eastern Ukraine in order to both bog down the Russian army in a long drawn out proxy war, and or to impose sanctions on Russian gas supplies to the EU. If the Russians get more bogged down in Ukraine it would leave the west free to get more involved militaraly in Syria.
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I'm pretty sure that Russians are well aware of all that ;)
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Tbh the most plausible plan was.

Demonize Russia and make Europe cut all trade with Russia and force it to completely switch its energy dependence from Russian gas to US imported shale gas. But then i dug a bit into the shale gas thingy and it looks like there's no logistical or infrastructural base as of yet that could cover any exports to Europe. It could be possible not earlier than 2022 to switch to US shale gas. So what will happen until then? The rise of the 4th Reich in Ukraine, Baltic States and Poland?
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Its for that reason I,m surprised the US innitiated this whole regime change operation in Ukraine before they removed Assad from Syria. As this whole removal of Assad thing is all about laying down a Qatari/Isreali gas pipeline to the EU via Syria, needless to say Assad SAID NO TO THIS PIPELINE, so the MSM made him public enemy no1. Though the true intention of the US here could be to provoke the Russians into invading eastern Ukraine in order to both bog down the Russian army in a long drawn out proxy war, and or to impose sanctions on Russian gas supplies to the EU. If the Russians get more bogged down in Ukraine it would leave the west free to get more involved militaraly in Syria.
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I'm pretty sure that Russians are well aware of all that ;)
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Kind of explains why Russia has NOT invaded eastern Ukraine, along with the fact that this was never their intention.

Despite the B/S the western MSM are drip feeding the sheeple.
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Tbh the most plausible plan was.

Demonize Russia and make Europe cut all trade with Russia and force it to completely switch its energy dependence from Russian gas to US imported shale gas. But then i dug a bit into the shale gas thingy and it looks like there's no logistical or infrastructural base as of yet that could cover any exports to Europe. It could be possible not earlier than 2022 to switch to US shale gas. So what will happen until then? The rise of the 4th Reich in Ukraine, Baltic States and Poland?
 Quoting: NotZuckerberg


Its for that reason I,m surprised the US innitiated this whole regime change operation in Ukraine before they removed Assad from Syria. As this whole removal of Assad thing is all about laying down a Qatari/Isreali gas pipeline to the EU via Syria, needless to say Assad SAID NO TO THIS PIPELINE, so the MSM made him public enemy no1. Though the true intention of the US here could be to provoke the Russians into invading eastern Ukraine in order to both bog down the Russian army in a long drawn out proxy war, and or to impose sanctions on Russian gas supplies to the EU. If the Russians get more bogged down in Ukraine it would leave the west free to get more involved militaraly in Syria.
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I'm pretty sure that Russians are well aware of all that ;)
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Kind of explains why Russia has NOT invaded eastern Ukraine, along with the fact that this was never their intention.

Despite the B/S the western MSM are drip feeding the sheeple.
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Western European nations will get a shock if they (Germany, UK, France) try to get the population to accept a conflict between Nato and Russia. They'll never get it through the parliaments. Thanks to the Russians (Syria) and the disgusting efforts by the West to Kill 100's of thousands in Iraq. Western European Governments cannot go to war without the majority of it's people agreeing to it.

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Tbh the most plausible plan was.

Demonize Russia and make Europe cut all trade with Russia and force it to completely switch its energy dependence from Russian gas to US imported shale gas. But then i dug a bit into the shale gas thingy and it looks like there's no logistical or infrastructural base as of yet that could cover any exports to Europe. It could be possible not earlier than 2022 to switch to US shale gas. So what will happen until then? The rise of the 4th Reich in Ukraine, Baltic States and Poland?
 Quoting: NotZuckerberg


Its for that reason I,m surprised the US innitiated this whole regime change operation in Ukraine before they removed Assad from Syria. As this whole removal of Assad thing is all about laying down a Qatari/Isreali gas pipeline to the EU via Syria, needless to say Assad SAID NO TO THIS PIPELINE, so the MSM made him public enemy no1. Though the true intention of the US here could be to provoke the Russians into invading eastern Ukraine in order to both bog down the Russian army in a long drawn out proxy war, and or to impose sanctions on Russian gas supplies to the EU. If the Russians get more bogged down in Ukraine it would leave the west free to get more involved militaraly in Syria.
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I'm pretty sure that Russians are well aware of all that ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57906734


Kind of explains why Russia has NOT invaded eastern Ukraine, along with the fact that this was never their intention.

Despite the B/S the western MSM are drip feeding the sheeple.
 Quoting: firinne


Yes, but what US is doing to push their agenda is beyond hypocrisy, its beyond every common sense, and I really, really hope there are some sheeple out there who can recognize disgusting provocations like this one;

US blames Russia as Kiev unleashes armored vehicles against civilians
[link to rt.com]

Can't see this bitch anymore lying so openly on press conf. Disgusting
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always more action on the weekends in Ukraine ...
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Lots of chatter coming across that some major trubble is spected today in Mariupol around 1pm or thereabouts.
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Lots of chatter coming across that some major trubble is spected today in Mariupol around 1pm or thereabouts.
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Where?
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#Mariupol update: @hrw's @AnnaNeistat says 5 dead, 40 seriously wounded after being shot in legs, abdomen. 60 injured in total.



and in case any of you missed it, 1) the incident was started by armed Russian terrorists attacking the police station, and 2)lots of pics and videos of plain clothed terrorists with guns and shooting guns disproves the Russian propaganda BS that Ukr military just came in and started shooting unarmed civialians. That shit is not gonna fly.
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Lots of chatter coming across that some major trubble is spected today in Mariupol around 1pm or thereabouts.
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Where?
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chatter? from whom?
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All sense is lost.

US keeps blaming Russia for this another failed state they've created.

Way to go US, you're really the sh1t!
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Lots of chatter coming across that some major trubble is spected today in Mariupol around 1pm or thereabouts.
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Where?
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chatter? from whom?
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who else
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There is one thing I cannot understand, and has repeated in Kramatorsk, Slaviansk and now Mariupol. Army enters the town, shoots, kills some people, takes some buildings and then - retreats.

WTH are they trying to acomplish? From all casultie reports, army took quite few casulties so one can't say they're being repelled and kicked out.

What do they gain from entering town and inflicting casulties and then falling back? This certainly isn't way to archieve victory.
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There is one thing I cannot understand, and has repeated in Kramatorsk, Slaviansk and now Mariupol. Army enters the town, shoots, kills some people, takes some buildings and then - retreats.

WTH are they trying to acomplish? From all casultie reports, army took quite few casulties so one can't say they're being repelled and kicked out.

What do they gain from entering town and inflicting casulties and then falling back? This certainly isn't way to archieve victory.
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Sounds like the west are trying to bait the russians into a war with Ukraine.
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I just don't know what Kiev thinks they will gain out of all this...fucking annoys me. I know Russia wouldn't mind some friendly republics popping out here and there etc, but why is Kiev escalating it so much when it's obvious Russia won't invade unless they commit serious crimes and bomb cities or something.
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Most believable speculation that they are actually trying very hard to make Russia invade to defend local population. After that NATO (or US which is almost the same) would be free to proclaim Russia agressor and begin it's own military operation there. As a result - WW3 and justified by it devaluation of dollar and/or writing off of US national debt.
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I actually think it's NATO/US/EU elements that are sniping the people to get their war.

The puppets in Kiev have no clue - and the military they sent before all defected or refused orders, and now they were put under pressure by the banksters (IMF) to get control of the country, so they hired some "help", little do they know they invited a third party that wants to see their country go to war with Russia.
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Exactly, these murderers are apparently trained terrorists with many rounds in Syria, Egypt, Chechnya and so on. Pro-Russians say they acted strangely as if on some drugs, they also used canisters with poisonous gas - pure war criminals for which atrocity is a daily routine.
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There is one thing I cannot understand, and has repeated in Kramatorsk, Slaviansk and now Mariupol. Army enters the town, shoots, kills some people, takes some buildings and then - retreats.

WTH are they trying to acomplish? From all casultie reports, army took quite few casulties so one can't say they're being repelled and kicked out.

What do they gain from entering town and inflicting casulties and then falling back? This certainly isn't way to archieve victory.
 Quoting: Duby


Sounds like the west are trying to bait the russians into a war with Ukraine.
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They would do better job to draw Russia in if they take a city and start full scale clean-up operations in order to neutralize the rebels and firmly hold the town. That would put more pressure on Russia.

There must be something more to this...
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There is one thing I cannot understand, and has repeated in Kramatorsk, Slaviansk and now Mariupol. Army enters the town, shoots, kills some people, takes some buildings and then - retreats.

WTH are they trying to acomplish? From all casultie reports, army took quite few casulties so one can't say they're being repelled and kicked out.

What do they gain from entering town and inflicting casulties and then falling back? This certainly isn't way to archieve victory.
 Quoting: Duby


Sounds like the west are trying to bait the russians into a war with Ukraine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57431808


They would do better job to draw Russia in if they take a city and start full scale clean-up operations in order to neutralize the rebels and firmly hold the town. That would put more pressure on Russia.

There must be something more to this...
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But if they would do that, then it would very hard for them not to be portrayed as the aggressors. Russia would be then seen as a saviour by half of the world.

US really wants Russia to be the portrayed aggressor...
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DoS is now apparently blaming anti-Kiev (or "pro-Russian") activists for violence in Mariupol. I'm not even surprised anymore.

I'll quote something from one rather unortodox history book (translation from Russian by google and me, so very far from perfection):
"1875. Revolt against the Turks in Herzegovina spread to Bosnia, Serbia and Bulgaria. In May 1876 in Bulgaria there was a particularly large-scale massacre, which was supposed to have horrified the civilized world. So-called bashi-bazouks - Turkish irregular troops (as if to call them in a modern way - legal armed groups) - slaughtered 12,000 Bulgarian peasants. Europe forced to condemn the Turks scournfully. They blame everything on the Russian Tsar, which fueled unrest and forced poor bashi-bazouks to slaughter peasants.
To Benjamin Disraeli - now Prime Minister - the massacre victims do not cause much sympathy. He regards it as a kitchen gossip."
- Mikhail Leontyev, "The Great Game: British Empire vs. Russia and USSR" (2007)


History really likes to repeat itself.
 Quoting: Tamonten


Spot on, Russian Brother!

The West kept their eyes diligently closed of what their allies did for the sake of geopolitical benefit, as we see them do in Ukraine.

There were despicable atrocities - newly born babies slain or simply crushed against rocks. Those who did not convert to islam beheaded by the thousands.

We see a clear genocide against chrisitians as in Syria and all over the world backyards.

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That is correct. More Ukrainians died in WWII than did Russians.
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NOPE..^^^^^^


Ukraine lost.... 6.8 million (1.8 military)

Russia lost 14 million.... (6.7 military)

USSR as a whole lost....26.5 million (10.7 million military)

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Maybe its, more ukrainians died than Russia lost from military loss??
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Ukraine lost about 9 million of which 3.5 military. Losses are higher relative to total number of Ukrainians living in the SU. The highest losses relative to population was in Belarus.
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The 1.8 million military is the Ukrainians who died fighting for the allies.
The 3.5 million also includes Ukrainians who died fighting against the allies.
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There is one thing I cannot understand, and has repeated in Kramatorsk, Slaviansk and now Mariupol. Army enters the town, shoots, kills some people, takes some buildings and then - retreats.

WTH are they trying to acomplish? From all casultie reports, army took quite few casulties so one can't say they're being repelled and kicked out.

What do they gain from entering town and inflicting casulties and then falling back? This certainly isn't way to archieve victory.
 Quoting: Duby


Sounds like the west are trying to bait the russians into a war with Ukraine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57431808


They would do better job to draw Russia in if they take a city and start full scale clean-up operations in order to neutralize the rebels and firmly hold the town. That would put more pressure on Russia.

There must be something more to this...
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But if they would do that, then it would very hard for them not to be portrayed as the aggressors. Russia would be then seen as a saviour by half of the world.

US really wants Russia to be the portrayed aggressor...
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Both of you are right. But the longer Ukr government persists in such operations, they really risk for this tactics to explode in their faces. It is government of Ukraine now that is at risk of being portrayed as "bad guys" too.
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Red Cross staff detained by Russian terrorist rebels in eastern Ukraine for ‘spying’ (AFP)
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False alarm. [link to twitter.com (secure)]

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#Denial Red Cross workers were not kidnapped in Donetsk. - David Pierre MARQUET from ICRC (CICR)
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No, real alarm, confirmed.
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05/10/2014 05:23 AM
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
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NOPE..^^^^^^


Ukraine lost.... 6.8 million (1.8 military)

Russia lost 14 million.... (6.7 military)

USSR as a whole lost....26.5 million (10.7 million military)

 Quoting: firinne

Maybe its, more ukrainians died than Russia lost from military loss??
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Ukraine lost about 9 million of which 3.5 military. Losses are higher relative to total number of Ukrainians living in the SU. The highest losses relative to population was in Belarus.
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The 1.8 million military is the Ukrainians who died fighting for the allies.
The 3.5 million also includes Ukrainians who died fighting against the allies.
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Bullshit ! What are you smoking ?
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05/10/2014 05:28 AM
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Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387
@PaulaSlier_RT

People of #Donetsk are expected to cast their votes tomorrow from 8am till 10pm.





GLP