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Today in several places in #Donetsk #Ukraine the railroad was blown up. The motives behind this are not known. No reports of casualties.
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me interesting sabotages are they laying the ground work

for a Russian Invasion. just like Normandy blow-up rail lines maybe stop downing power and telephone poles and
cell towers next?
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#BREAKING: Russian Railways freight train derails after explosion on railway track in Ilovaisk- Kutéinikovo, #Ukraine USE_FULL_LINK_PLEASEi18EdZyuLQ
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Looks like it was a Russian frieght train.
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there are no such things as "nazis"... Most people are nationalists, it has nothing to do with "nazis".
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wtfdid

You are aware that the name Nazi = "National Socialist" right?

specialstupid
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"Nazi" refers directly to the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
Not nationalism, nationalism was exploited by the Nazi party, just like socialism was exploited by the Communist party.

Nationalism in itself is patriotism, and the majority of the people are nationalists, or by your definition, "Nazi".

If you call these people standing up for their country as "Nazi", then you might as well call anyone who loves their country a "Nazi", even if you cheer for your country's football team, this makes you a "Nazi" by your definition.
 Quoting: Skizzy


For you and for all of your kind this:
Nonazisukraine

Right hand rised included, swastika tattoo included, T-shirts with Totenkopf and SS rune symbols included, Ukrainian flags included, Pravy sektor flag included. So STFU and GTFO with you poor defense of nazi scum losers from wastelands of west Ukraine, u fool!

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The point is that they are a microscopic portion of Ukrainian nationalists, and they can very well be planted there. Less than 1% doesn't count.
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A very weak effort on your part. These facts may help-

"...fragmentation of the Soviet-built Tupolev aircraft and the dispersal of these pieces over a large area. Polish archeologists found approximately 60,000 such fragments at the crash site."

"...Russians brazenly contaminated and desecrated the crash site and the evidence. The wreckage was further torn apart using tools and machinery. Windows, which could contain evidentiary material, were smashed. The pieces of the fuselage were moved to the Severnyi tarmac and exposed to the effects of the weather. Other pieces were moved around the crash site, such as the left stabilizer, which was shifted about 20 meters based on satellite photos from April 11-12, 2010. Even top soil was moved around and trees cut down."

"Furthermore, the Russians continue to hold on to the black box -- which is legally the property of the Republic of Poland -- and have tampered with that evidence as well. The Poles were only given copies, which -- as it turned out -- were missing the last seconds of a crucial minute, which were apparently erased."

"Pilot error, resulting in a crash would not yield 60,000 aircraft fragments-but an explosion would. Direct evidence shows Russians tampered with the crash site rendering any kind of thorough and proper investigation impossible-A cover-up, if you will. The black boxes have been made available to the Pols or anyone else outside of Russia. Why?
Given the geopolitical situation at the time (Pols government was staunchly pro-American-Now we see a motive, b/c Pols approved a joint NATO/US missile defense shield in Poland." [link to www.iwp.edu] discusses-the-smolensk-plane-crash-four-years-later
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8082046


My money is still on the CIA. The chosen puppets were waiting to take over and proximity made it easy to shift the blame. Russia was always going to be framed for it whatever the evidence. Perfect black op.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59473884


Rumors say that they have 400-900 hours of tapes who know what people they record and what they say
tbh i dont know why they now try fall tusk goverment
i bet on usa
look on this a Sikorski stereotypical usa/cia and MI6 pupet what he say now on this tape ? literaly fuck usa and Poland army and Poland per se is USA white negro
ok i know evryone in Poland who have half brain know this but theese are word of cia and mi6 pupet
best part is if tusk goverment will fall who wil win election ? a second Kaczyński men who want serve USA and yews with all his heart.
same things like before ww2...setup obedient goverment and trow country on meagrinder to gain time.
And Smoleńsk "acident" same thing like Ron Brown "acident" but on much bigger scale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59492169

Ok fair enough, well thought out. For me, the crash scene evidence, it's tampering, the refusal to hand over the black boxes and when they did it showed missing time. For me, the evidence is quite clear, it was not pilot error. The fact that the Russians offered that excuse points to obfuscation and guilt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8082046

I dont try bleach Rusians
for me it is pure diplomacy
rusians hold all evidence without them they can be easily acused for 100% responsibile for crash in other hand if plane was tampered in Poland and rusian hold evidence they cant give this advantage for free and can do with polish goverment what they want.
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Unelected ukranian president began bombings in east. Crimea PM asked Russia for protection. Russia said yes. There was no invasion of Crimea.
 Quoting: HistoryPHD

Your ability to pack so many lies into a few sentences is quite amazing!

1) The acting president of Ukraine (Turchynov) was elected by the Ukrainian parliament after Yanukovych attempted to skip the country, defect to Russia, and call for an invasion.

2) Turchynov did not "begin bombings in east" or anywhere else. The political recovery from Yanukovych's defection was bloodless and peaceful.

3) Crimea's prime minister did not "ask Russia for protection." Just the opposite: The prime minister was dismissed by the Crimean parliament. The parliament then scheduled a May 25 referendum on greater autonomy within the Ukrainian state.

[link to www.themoscowtimes.com]

4) Russian agents then showed up in Crimea with automatic weapons. They directed rebels to begin the armed forcible takeover of government buildings and property, and to silence anyone who disagreed--particularly the Tatars, who are the indigenous people of Crimea. (Most current residents of Crimea are recent Russian "colonists" who arrived since 1944, when Stalin murdered or exiled all the Tatars in the province.)

5) Within a few weeks, armed Russian agents had engineered a bogus referendum in Crimea "voting" to join Russia.

6) Russia then brazenly violated the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the fundamental basis of Ukraine's security, by officially invading and "annexing" Crimea.


We must always remember that the tsarist empire held Poland for over 100 years before that evil empire's ignominious collapse paved the way for Poland to regain its independence; and similarly, the Soviet empire held Lithuania for 45 years until that evil empire's ignominious collapse paved the way for Lithuania to regain its independence.
 Quoting: Skeptic the First


1) that was as legal as the parliament of Sweden electing a president of Ukraine. They had no legal power to do so.

2) Yeah he did. First by molotovs then by bombs and rockets.

3) Please dont quote "Moscow Times" located in Helsinki.

4) Russian soldiers were in Crimea legaly as they had their base there. All citizens of Crimea have equal rights, regardless when they came to Crimea.

5) Referendum was organized by the Crimean authorities, not by Russia.

6) Budapest memorandum was never ratified by its parties, and was violated by the West staging a coup in Ukraine.

The rest is just you being butthurt.

By the way, what is your ethnnicity, or are you too ashamed to tell us?
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relentless Russian shillery, did they up your stipend?
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Why did they assassinate the Polish president?
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A very weak effort on your part. These facts may help-

"...fragmentation of the Soviet-built Tupolev aircraft and the dispersal of these pieces over a large area. Polish archeologists found approximately 60,000 such fragments at the crash site."

"...Russians brazenly contaminated and desecrated the crash site and the evidence. The wreckage was further torn apart using tools and machinery. Windows, which could contain evidentiary material, were smashed. The pieces of the fuselage were moved to the Severnyi tarmac and exposed to the effects of the weather. Other pieces were moved around the crash site, such as the left stabilizer, which was shifted about 20 meters based on satellite photos from April 11-12, 2010. Even top soil was moved around and trees cut down."

"Furthermore, the Russians continue to hold on to the black box -- which is legally the property of the Republic of Poland -- and have tampered with that evidence as well. The Poles were only given copies, which -- as it turned out -- were missing the last seconds of a crucial minute, which were apparently erased."

"Pilot error, resulting in a crash would not yield 60,000 aircraft fragments-but an explosion would. Direct evidence shows Russians tampered with the crash site rendering any kind of thorough and proper investigation impossible-A cover-up, if you will. The black boxes have been made available to the Pols or anyone else outside of Russia. Why?
Given the geopolitical situation at the time (Pols government was staunchly pro-American-Now we see a motive, b/c Pols approved a joint NATO/US missile defense shield in Poland." [link to www.iwp.edu] discusses-the-smolensk-plane-crash-four-years-later
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8082046


My money is still on the CIA. The chosen puppets were waiting to take over and proximity made it easy to shift the blame. Russia was always going to be framed for it whatever the evidence. Perfect black op.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59473884


Rumors say that they have 400-900 hours of tapes who know what people they record and what they say
tbh i dont know why they now try fall tusk goverment
i bet on usa
look on this a Sikorski stereotypical usa/cia and MI6 pupet what he say now on this tape ? literaly fuck usa and Poland army and Poland per se is USA white negro
ok i know evryone in Poland who have half brain know this but theese are word of cia and mi6 pupet
best part is if tusk goverment will fall who wil win election ? a second Kaczyński men who want serve USA and yews with all his heart.
same things like before ww2...setup obedient goverment and trow country on meagrinder to gain time.
And Smoleńsk "acident" same thing like Ron Brown "acident" but on much bigger scale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59492169

Ok fair enough, well thought out. For me, the crash scene evidence, it's tampering, the refusal to hand over the black boxes and when they did it showed missing time. For me, the evidence is quite clear, it was not pilot error. The fact that the Russians offered that excuse points to obfuscation and guilt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8082046


Except that the Russians have no real history of publicly blowing the CIA's cover in an operation like this. They did not do it over JFK even though there was some effort to blame them then. They knew Oswald was not who he appeared to be and said nothing. They even sent a defector with a ridiculous cover story.

They have played along with 911. They just do not want to go that route. In the west they cannot win a credibility contest or argue about who deleted what from the black box. Not exonerating them but the history does nothing to rule out the CIA as a suspect.
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My money is still on the CIA. The chosen puppets were waiting to take over and proximity made it easy to shift the blame. Russia was always going to be framed for it whatever the evidence. Perfect black op.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59473884


Rumors say that they have 400-900 hours of tapes who know what people they record and what they say
tbh i dont know why they now try fall tusk goverment
i bet on usa
look on this a Sikorski stereotypical usa/cia and MI6 pupet what he say now on this tape ? literaly fuck usa and Poland army and Poland per se is USA white negro
ok i know evryone in Poland who have half brain know this but theese are word of cia and mi6 pupet
best part is if tusk goverment will fall who wil win election ? a second Kaczyński men who want serve USA and yews with all his heart.
same things like before ww2...setup obedient goverment and trow country on meagrinder to gain time.
And Smoleńsk "acident" same thing like Ron Brown "acident" but on much bigger scale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59492169

Ok fair enough, well thought out. For me, the crash scene evidence, it's tampering, the refusal to hand over the black boxes and when they did it showed missing time. For me, the evidence is quite clear, it was not pilot error. The fact that the Russians offered that excuse points to obfuscation and guilt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8082046


Except that the Russians have no real history of publicly blowing the CIA's cover in an operation like this. They did not do it over JFK even though there was some effort to blame them then. They knew Oswald was not who he appeared to be and said nothing. They even sent a defector with a ridiculous cover story.

They have played along with 911. They just do not want to go that route. In the west they cannot win a credibility contest or argue about who deleted what from the black box. Not exonerating them but the history does nothing to rule out the CIA as a suspect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59473884


And now we can come to statement that THEY ALL go TOGETHER hand in hand
fucking matrix is quite painful when you understand this.
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Rumors say that they have 400-900 hours of tapes who know what people they record and what they say
tbh i dont know why they now try fall tusk goverment
i bet on usa
look on this a Sikorski stereotypical usa/cia and MI6 pupet what he say now on this tape ? literaly fuck usa and Poland army and Poland per se is USA white negro
ok i know evryone in Poland who have half brain know this but theese are word of cia and mi6 pupet
best part is if tusk goverment will fall who wil win election ? a second Kaczyński men who want serve USA and yews with all his heart.
same things like before ww2...setup obedient goverment and trow country on meagrinder to gain time.
And Smoleńsk "acident" same thing like Ron Brown "acident" but on much bigger scale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59492169

Ok fair enough, well thought out. For me, the crash scene evidence, it's tampering, the refusal to hand over the black boxes and when they did it showed missing time. For me, the evidence is quite clear, it was not pilot error. The fact that the Russians offered that excuse points to obfuscation and guilt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8082046


Except that the Russians have no real history of publicly blowing the CIA's cover in an operation like this. They did not do it over JFK even though there was some effort to blame them then. They knew Oswald was not who he appeared to be and said nothing. They even sent a defector with a ridiculous cover story.

They have played along with 911. They just do not want to go that route. In the west they cannot win a credibility contest or argue about who deleted what from the black box. Not exonerating them but the history does nothing to rule out the CIA as a suspect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59473884


And now we can come to statement that THEY ALL go TOGETHER hand in hand
fucking matrix is quite painful when you understand this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59492169


Yes, they do...
the U.S - Russia rivalry is like the fake Democrat - Republican rivalry, only on a bigger scale.
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 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Why did they assassinate the Polish president?
 Quoting: Skizzy


'The banned truth

The news of Katyn and other mass murders of Poles on Soviet-occupied territory of pre-war Poland reached the then Polish Government-in-Exile in London through many channels. The secret truth of Katyn prompted the Soviets to break the diplomatic relations with the legal Polish government in London and to prepare their own communist-controlled political solution for Poland, still during the war. When the then Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Army in the West, and Prime Minister of the Government-in-Exile, General Wladyslaw Sikorski attempted to obtain proof of the Soviet mass murders and wanted to officially inform the governments of Great Britain and the United States about these atrocities, his plane was crashed in Gibraltar on July 4, 1943 and he was proclaimed to have died in the accident. Some Polish and foreign historians question the “Gibraltar Catastrophe” and prove that it was a cold-blood murder of the Polish Prime-Minister, performed by his Polish political enemies under the guidance of the British Secret Service. One of these historians and film documentary authors, Dr. Dariusz Baliszewski, devoted the last 15 years to prove this theory. The remains of General W. Sikorski were returned to Poland and were exhumated again in 2009, to confirm his identity. But his death still remains one of the greatest mysteries of Poland’s and the European history. General Sikorski’s elimination ended the hopes for re-establishment of free Poland after 2d World War and was often named “decapitation” of the leadership of our country. But one year later, in August to October 1944, Stalin’s decision not to help the Warsaw Uprising led to the extermination of the best soldiers of the then secret Polish Home Army (AK) and to full destruction of Warsaw by German troops and the death of about 200 thousand of its inhabitants. After Katyn and General Sikorski’s tragic death, this was the last act of “decapitation” of Poland’s political, military and intellectual elites during the war. Then followed the brutal communist repressions after the end of WWII, extended in time until Stalin’s death in 1953.

The truth of Katyn and of other mass murders of Poles by Soviets was banned from the post-war history of Poland for several decades, until the regime change in 1989.

...But not all of the hidden truth was revealed until now. Though former Russian President Boris Yeltsin told Lech Walesa “Pardon us, if you can”, no official apology for the Katyn and other mass murders of Poles by the Soviets was uttered by Russian authorities, including the President and now Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and the actual President – Dmitry Medvedev. The Polish-Russian last joint ceremony at the Katyn Memorial Cemetery, to where Vladimir Putin invited his Polish counterpart Donald Tusk, held on April 7, 2010, was a big leap forward to acknowledge the Katyn truth. But no legal action followed so far. The investigation of the mass murders by Soviets by the Polish Institute of National Memory is very difficult and meets many obstacles from the Russian side. In Russia, there are still many influential groups claiming – against all evidence – that the Katyn murders have been committed by Germans.

The intention of the late President Lech Kaczynski, who insisted to visit Katyn Memorial Cemetery himself on April 10,2010, was to demand a more clear and univocal apology from the Russian authorities and to prompt the legal procedures. Yet, on that day, President Kaczynski met his own fate, and he and 95 other victims, including many prominent Polish political and military people were killed in an unexpected crash of the presidential plane, a Soviet-built TU-154M, before the airfield of their destination near Smolensk.'

[link to www.canadafreepress.com]

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RAW: #Ukraine nationalists clash with police outside Orthodox Church in #Kiev [link to on.rt.com]
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 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Why did they assassinate the Polish president?
 Quoting: Skizzy


'The banned truth

The news of Katyn and other mass murders of Poles on Soviet-occupied territory of pre-war Poland reached the then Polish Government-in-Exile in London through many channels. The secret truth of Katyn prompted the Soviets to break the diplomatic relations with the legal Polish government in London and to prepare their own communist-controlled political solution for Poland, still during the war. When the then Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Army in the West, and Prime Minister of the Government-in-Exile, General Wladyslaw Sikorski attempted to obtain proof of the Soviet mass murders and wanted to officially inform the governments of Great Britain and the United States about these atrocities, his plane was crashed in Gibraltar on July 4, 1943 and he was proclaimed to have died in the accident. Some Polish and foreign historians question the “Gibraltar Catastrophe” and prove that it was a cold-blood murder of the Polish Prime-Minister, performed by his Polish political enemies under the guidance of the British Secret Service. One of these historians and film documentary authors, Dr. Dariusz Baliszewski, devoted the last 15 years to prove this theory. The remains of General W. Sikorski were returned to Poland and were exhumated again in 2009, to confirm his identity. But his death still remains one of the greatest mysteries of Poland’s and the European history. General Sikorski’s elimination ended the hopes for re-establishment of free Poland after 2d World War and was often named “decapitation” of the leadership of our country. But one year later, in August to October 1944, Stalin’s decision not to help the Warsaw Uprising led to the extermination of the best soldiers of the then secret Polish Home Army (AK) and to full destruction of Warsaw by German troops and the death of about 200 thousand of its inhabitants. After Katyn and General Sikorski’s tragic death, this was the last act of “decapitation” of Poland’s political, military and intellectual elites during the war. Then followed the brutal communist repressions after the end of WWII, extended in time until Stalin’s death in 1953.

The truth of Katyn and of other mass murders of Poles by Soviets was banned from the post-war history of Poland for several decades, until the regime change in 1989.'

[link to www.canadafreepress.com]
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Churchill was good at such "favors". Sikorski as a favor to Stalin, Joe Kennedy as a favor to Roosevelt. The list is long.
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 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Why did they assassinate the Polish president?
 Quoting: Skizzy


'The banned truth

The news of Katyn and other mass murders of Poles on Soviet-occupied territory of pre-war Poland reached the then Polish Government-in-Exile in London through many channels. The secret truth of Katyn prompted the Soviets to break the diplomatic relations with the legal Polish government in London and to prepare their own communist-controlled political solution for Poland, still during the war. When the then Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Army in the West, and Prime Minister of the Government-in-Exile, General Wladyslaw Sikorski attempted to obtain proof of the Soviet mass murders and wanted to officially inform the governments of Great Britain and the United States about these atrocities, his plane was crashed in Gibraltar on July 4, 1943 and he was proclaimed to have died in the accident. Some Polish and foreign historians question the “Gibraltar Catastrophe” and prove that it was a cold-blood murder of the Polish Prime-Minister, performed by his Polish political enemies under the guidance of the British Secret Service. One of these historians and film documentary authors, Dr. Dariusz Baliszewski, devoted the last 15 years to prove this theory. The remains of General W. Sikorski were returned to Poland and were exhumated again in 2009, to confirm his identity. But his death still remains one of the greatest mysteries of Poland’s and the European history. General Sikorski’s elimination ended the hopes for re-establishment of free Poland after 2d World War and was often named “decapitation” of the leadership of our country. But one year later, in August to October 1944, Stalin’s decision not to help the Warsaw Uprising led to the extermination of the best soldiers of the then secret Polish Home Army (AK) and to full destruction of Warsaw by German troops and the death of about 200 thousand of its inhabitants. After Katyn and General Sikorski’s tragic death, this was the last act of “decapitation” of Poland’s political, military and intellectual elites during the war. Then followed the brutal communist repressions after the end of WWII, extended in time until Stalin’s death in 1953.

The truth of Katyn and of other mass murders of Poles by Soviets was banned from the post-war history of Poland for several decades, until the regime change in 1989.

...But not all of the hidden truth was revealed until now. Though former Russian President Boris Yeltsin told Lech Walesa “Pardon us, if you can”, no official apology for the Katyn and other mass murders of Poles by the Soviets was uttered by Russian authorities, including the President and now Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and the actual President – Dmitry Medvedev. The Polish-Russian last joint ceremony at the Katyn Memorial Cemetery, to where Vladimir Putin invited his Polish counterpart Donald Tusk, held on April 7, 2010, was a big leap forward to acknowledge the Katyn truth. But no legal action followed so far. The investigation of the mass murders by Soviets by the Polish Institute of National Memory is very difficult and meets many obstacles from the Russian side. In Russia, there are still many influential groups claiming – against all evidence – that the Katyn murders have been committed by Germans.

The intention of the late President Lech Kaczynski, who insisted to visit Katyn Memorial Cemetery himself on April 10,2010, was to demand a more clear and univocal apology from the Russian authorities and to prompt the legal procedures. Yet, on that day, President Kaczynski met his own fate, and he and 95 other victims, including many prominent Polish political and military people were killed in an unexpected crash of the presidential plane, a Soviet-built TU-154M, before the airfield of their destination near Smolensk.'

[link to www.canadafreepress.com]
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Well Russia would indeed have a very hard time if they had to answer for all the Soviet crimes.
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Pro-Ukrainian activists in occupied #Horlivka put a Russian flag in each bin in the city park.
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they damped their waste in ukristan lol
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 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Why did they assassinate the Polish president?
 Quoting: Skizzy


'The banned truth

The news of Katyn and other mass murders of Poles on Soviet-occupied territory of pre-war Poland reached the then Polish Government-in-Exile in London through many channels. The secret truth of Katyn prompted the Soviets to break the diplomatic relations with the legal Polish government in London and to prepare their own communist-controlled political solution for Poland, still during the war. When the then Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Army in the West, and Prime Minister of the Government-in-Exile, General Wladyslaw Sikorski attempted to obtain proof of the Soviet mass murders and wanted to officially inform the governments of Great Britain and the United States about these atrocities, his plane was crashed in Gibraltar on July 4, 1943 and he was proclaimed to have died in the accident. Some Polish and foreign historians question the “Gibraltar Catastrophe” and prove that it was a cold-blood murder of the Polish Prime-Minister, performed by his Polish political enemies under the guidance of the British Secret Service. One of these historians and film documentary authors, Dr. Dariusz Baliszewski, devoted the last 15 years to prove this theory. The remains of General W. Sikorski were returned to Poland and were exhumated again in 2009, to confirm his identity. But his death still remains one of the greatest mysteries of Poland’s and the European history. General Sikorski’s elimination ended the hopes for re-establishment of free Poland after 2d World War and was often named “decapitation” of the leadership of our country. But one year later, in August to October 1944, Stalin’s decision not to help the Warsaw Uprising led to the extermination of the best soldiers of the then secret Polish Home Army (AK) and to full destruction of Warsaw by German troops and the death of about 200 thousand of its inhabitants. After Katyn and General Sikorski’s tragic death, this was the last act of “decapitation” of Poland’s political, military and intellectual elites during the war. Then followed the brutal communist repressions after the end of WWII, extended in time until Stalin’s death in 1953.

The truth of Katyn and of other mass murders of Poles by Soviets was banned from the post-war history of Poland for several decades, until the regime change in 1989.

...But not all of the hidden truth was revealed until now. Though former Russian President Boris Yeltsin told Lech Walesa “Pardon us, if you can”, no official apology for the Katyn and other mass murders of Poles by the Soviets was uttered by Russian authorities, including the President and now Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and the actual President – Dmitry Medvedev. The Polish-Russian last joint ceremony at the Katyn Memorial Cemetery, to where Vladimir Putin invited his Polish counterpart Donald Tusk, held on April 7, 2010, was a big leap forward to acknowledge the Katyn truth. But no legal action followed so far. The investigation of the mass murders by Soviets by the Polish Institute of National Memory is very difficult and meets many obstacles from the Russian side. In Russia, there are still many influential groups claiming – against all evidence – that the Katyn murders have been committed by Germans.

The intention of the late President Lech Kaczynski, who insisted to visit Katyn Memorial Cemetery himself on April 10,2010, was to demand a more clear and univocal apology from the Russian authorities and to prompt the legal procedures. Yet, on that day, President Kaczynski met his own fate, and he and 95 other victims, including many prominent Polish political and military people were killed in an unexpected crash of the presidential plane, a Soviet-built TU-154M, before the airfield of their destination near Smolensk.'

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Well Russia would indeed have a very hard time if they had to answer for all the Soviet crimes.
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karma is a bitch
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Why did they assassinate the Polish president?
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'The banned truth

The news of Katyn and other mass murders of Poles on Soviet-occupied territory of pre-war Poland reached the then Polish Government-in-Exile in London through many channels. The secret truth of Katyn prompted the Soviets to break the diplomatic relations with the legal Polish government in London and to prepare their own communist-controlled political solution for Poland, still during the war. When the then Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Army in the West, and Prime Minister of the Government-in-Exile, General Wladyslaw Sikorski attempted to obtain proof of the Soviet mass murders and wanted to officially inform the governments of Great Britain and the United States about these atrocities, his plane was crashed in Gibraltar on July 4, 1943 and he was proclaimed to have died in the accident. Some Polish and foreign historians question the “Gibraltar Catastrophe” and prove that it was a cold-blood murder of the Polish Prime-Minister, performed by his Polish political enemies under the guidance of the British Secret Service. One of these historians and film documentary authors, Dr. Dariusz Baliszewski, devoted the last 15 years to prove this theory. The remains of General W. Sikorski were returned to Poland and were exhumated again in 2009, to confirm his identity. But his death still remains one of the greatest mysteries of Poland’s and the European history. General Sikorski’s elimination ended the hopes for re-establishment of free Poland after 2d World War and was often named “decapitation” of the leadership of our country. But one year later, in August to October 1944, Stalin’s decision not to help the Warsaw Uprising led to the extermination of the best soldiers of the then secret Polish Home Army (AK) and to full destruction of Warsaw by German troops and the death of about 200 thousand of its inhabitants. After Katyn and General Sikorski’s tragic death, this was the last act of “decapitation” of Poland’s political, military and intellectual elites during the war. Then followed the brutal communist repressions after the end of WWII, extended in time until Stalin’s death in 1953.

The truth of Katyn and of other mass murders of Poles by Soviets was banned from the post-war history of Poland for several decades, until the regime change in 1989.'

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 Quoting: Tpotleoz


Churchill was good at such "favors". Sikorski as a favor to Stalin, Joe Kennedy as a favor to Roosevelt. The list is long.
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You forgot Joseph Retinger a Sikorski advisor He never walking away from him NEVER until fatal Gibraltar crash
lucky guy isnt? Founder of europen union, bildberg group and ofc mason
lucky guy
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such fairy tales you can prattle to those who eat hay. As well as those about building anti-missile system in Poland against Iranian air attack. Even small child can see where it was all directed to, why Nudelscheiss and Co. invested 5 billions of USD to pay lumpenproletariat for the ruckus at Maidan. Sure the US bases around Russia are for dancing courses.
I hope Russia remembers who paid the NZ Low End khazar thugs and all the organization of October Revolution, who is behind the 60 m,illion murdered Christians in Soviet Russia. And go to hell with your f...ing drivel Mr. Andersen.
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What are you referring to?
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London and NY banks: The Tribe

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Ok fair enough, well thought out. For me, the crash scene evidence, it's tampering, the refusal to hand over the black boxes and when they did it showed missing time. For me, the evidence is quite clear, it was not pilot error. The fact that the Russians offered that excuse points to obfuscation and guilt.
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Except that the Russians have no real history of publicly blowing the CIA's cover in an operation like this. They did not do it over JFK even though there was some effort to blame them then. They knew Oswald was not who he appeared to be and said nothing. They even sent a defector with a ridiculous cover story.

They have played along with 911. They just do not want to go that route. In the west they cannot win a credibility contest or argue about who deleted what from the black box. Not exonerating them but the history does nothing to rule out the CIA as a suspect.
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And now we can come to statement that THEY ALL go TOGETHER hand in hand
fucking matrix is quite painful when you understand this.
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Yes, they do...
the U.S - Russia rivalry is like the fake Democrat - Republican rivalry, only on a bigger scale.
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That is the main question. What has changed? Is it different this time? If it is different how much will unravel now? That is what keeps me following this situation. If it is the same then we can all judge the acting after it is over.
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Except that the Russians have no real history of publicly blowing the CIA's cover in an operation like this. They did not do it over JFK even though there was some effort to blame them then. They knew Oswald was not who he appeared to be and said nothing. They even sent a defector with a ridiculous cover story.

They have played along with 911. They just do not want to go that route. In the west they cannot win a credibility contest or argue about who deleted what from the black box. Not exonerating them but the history does nothing to rule out the CIA as a suspect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59473884


And now we can come to statement that THEY ALL go TOGETHER hand in hand
fucking matrix is quite painful when you understand this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59492169


Yes, they do...
the U.S - Russia rivalry is like the fake Democrat - Republican rivalry, only on a bigger scale.
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That is the main question. What has changed? Is it different this time? If it is different how much will unravel now? That is what keeps me following this situation. If it is the same then we can all judge the acting after it is over.
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The MIC wants to maintain conflicts, not resolve them. Ukraine has turned into another conflict zone, which just means more business for the MIC, escalating it into something bigger wouldn't serve much purpose for either side.
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Can you send me some footage of one of the planes hijacked on 9/11/2001 crashing on the Pentagon? There were hundreds of cameras there. Send me at least 1 shot, pleas

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Oh shhhhhiiii***t he didnt really mention that did he

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Except that the Russians have no real history of publicly blowing the CIA's cover in an operation like this. They did not do it over JFK even though there was some effort to blame them then. They knew Oswald was not who he appeared to be and said nothing. They even sent a defector with a ridiculous cover story.

They have played along with 911. They just do not want to go that route. In the west they cannot win a credibility contest or argue about who deleted what from the black box. Not exonerating them but the history does nothing to rule out the CIA as a suspect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59473884


And now we can come to statement that THEY ALL go TOGETHER hand in hand
fucking matrix is quite painful when you understand this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59492169


Yes, they do...
the U.S - Russia rivalry is like the fake Democrat - Republican rivalry, only on a bigger scale.
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That is the main question. What has changed? Is it different this time? If it is different how much will unravel now? That is what keeps me following this situation. If it is the same then we can all judge the acting after it is over.
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Nothing was changed litelary nothing.
I want just keep satus quo in europe almost no war almost like peace but some country far far away dont like this founded some riot tople some goverment and try poke bear but when bear will rage we will be fucked not this far far away country
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Well Russia would indeed have a very hard time if they had to answer for all the Soviet crimes.
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They were the biggest victims. They should pronounce themselves as such and point the finger at the perpetrators sitting in London and NY, BUT THEY DON'T. Instead Putin attempts to re-name Russian cities to their Soviet names. It makes you wonder why.
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Well Russia would indeed have a very hard time if they had to answer for all the Soviet crimes.
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They were the biggest victims. They should pronounce themselves as such and point the finger at the perpetrators sitting in London and NY, BUT THEY DON'T. Instead Putin attempts to re-name Russian cities to their Soviet names. It makes you wonder why.
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Yes... they have a huge case of Stockholm syndrome. Always makes me laugh when people think I am anti-Russia, when I am actually anti Soviet-mindset, which sadly most Russians have.
I am actually more pro-Russia than the average Russian because I know how much the Soviet Union fucked them, and they usually don't.
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Well Russia would indeed have a very hard time if they had to answer for all the Soviet crimes.
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They were the biggest victims. They should pronounce themselves as such and point the finger at the perpetrators sitting in London and NY, BUT THEY DON'T. Instead Putin attempts to re-name Russian cities to their Soviet names. It makes you wonder why.
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Yes... they have a huge case of Stockholm syndrome. Always makes me laugh when people think I am anti-Russia, when I am actually anti Soviet-mindset, which sadly most Russians have.
I am actually more pro-Russia than the average Russian because I know how much the Soviet Union fucked them, and they usually don't.
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There would be no conflict with Ukraine if Russia just admitted they were raped.
Eat the Reds
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Summary of Igor Strelkov 06/22/2014.

Around 15:00 the enemy again attacked the restored post of militia by forces of one tank in the area Yampol, 5 APCs and 5 URAL infantry. During the battle the militias were pushed in forest north of the village.

For its part, in order to assist the squad Yampolsky, a division of the Slavyansk garrison attacked enemy forces concentrated near the village of Peskunovka aimed at Slavyansk.

The fact that the enemy continues to hatch plans to attack the city, revealed spy evidence, the transfer of more than 20 tanks from the northern to the southern bank of the Seversky Donets River, through the newly built pontoon bridge in the area of the village.

Above the town are active Slovyansk enemy drones.

On artillery batteries continued delivery of ammunition.

Enemy also proceeded to install combined minefields on the northern outskirts of Slovyansk. Mines set at the city cemetery, between the village and North Tselinny. The local population is a main victim.

Use of uncontrolled mines in the vicinity of densely populated city is a war crime. This type of warfare is not applicable for militia.

Thus, no real signs of a ceasefire is seen from the Ukrainian side. Under the guise of a unilateral truce opponent prepares to storm positions of Slovyansk, Kramators'k, as well as the Donetsk and Lugansk, where military equipment is concentrating.
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Can you send me some footage of one of the planes hijacked on 9/11/2001 crashing on the Pentagon? There were hundreds of cameras there. Send me at least 1 shot, pleas

Dmitry Rogozin · @DRogozin

Oh shhhhhiiii***t he didnt really mention that did he

wtfpoint2
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It really is there as his last tweet. Talk about synchronicity. Well, maybe some of those gloves that never come off are now coming off.





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