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Sun_dancer
User ID: 48671548 United States 04/06/2014 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The tweets are authentic (i.e. they were made) - see [link to twitter.com (secure)] . Quoting: Sun_dancer But this "Ukraine Reporter" account is rabidly anti-Russian, quite possibly (ahem, ahem) funded/operated by the many US NGOs operating on Twitter. And a related news story I just stumbled across: RT: Big Brother’s Facebook: UK, US intelligence ‘infiltrating’ social media "American and British intelligence hope to take advantage of social media platforms, like Twitter, YouTube and Facebook, in an effort to spread disinformation and propaganda, as well as potentially foment public protests, recent Snowden leaks claim. "According to Glenn Greenwald ..., an Orwellian-style dystopia is lurking on the horizon as western spy agencies see an opportunity for manipulating public opinion and disseminating state propaganda by exploiting global internet giants, such as Flickr, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. " [link to rt.com] Sun_dancer |
tmorais
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States 04/06/2014 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @zerohedge: "Branch of the National Bank of Ukraine has been captured by separatists in Lugansk" Quoting: < DL > what it has be at least 5 or 6 hours since this started and no response by the Ukrainian Government Really. even if they want to separate from the Ukraine you can have lawless or armed mobs running thought the streets of a city, and still say you are in charge and running a country. This is a very sad Mess and I don't not think this well end up bloodless and they all lived happily every after like in the fairy tale books. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56498563 United States 04/06/2014 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @EuromaidanPR: President of #Czech Republic: Invading #Ukraine, Russia will cross the “red line” | PR News #Putin Quoting: < DL > You have to wonder. He should be worrying about whether the US will really come to Czech Republic's defense if Russia moves in there. These guys all want to start something they can't finish. Expansion of NATO is the last thing anyone interested in the Czech Republic's interests should be advocating. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56509940 United Kingdom 04/06/2014 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 article from 2008 Russia's ambassador to NATO has warned that any military interference in the Caucasus conflict will be considered as declaration of war. In an interview with the Russian newspaper Vremya Novostei, Dmitry Rogozin, warned that any NATO attack on the Moscow-backed regions would "mean a declaration of war on Russia." [link to edition.presstv.ir] sounds familiar |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56509421 Greece 04/06/2014 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The meeting was held in the capital Kiev after protesters stormed into government buildings in the eastern cities of Donetsk and Lugansk in on Sunday. The protesters called an emergency session of the regional council to start by midnight. They also warned that they would dissolve the regional council and establish a people’s council instead if there’s no quorum by midnight. "Deputies of the regional council should convene before midnight and take the decision to carry out a referendum," a protest leader told the crowd over a loudspeaker. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States 04/06/2014 06:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine's acting President Oleksandr Turchynov has called an emergency meeting of security services as pro-Russian demonstrators take to the streets of several cities demanding referendum and autonomy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56509421 The meeting was held in the capital Kiev after protesters stormed into government buildings in the eastern cities of Donetsk and Lugansk in on Sunday. The protesters called an emergency session of the regional council to start by midnight. They also warned that they would dissolve the regional council and establish a people’s council instead if there’s no quorum by midnight. "Deputies of the regional council should convene before midnight and take the decision to carry out a referendum," a protest leader told the crowd over a loudspeaker. well I think they are a little late then it is 2 am May 7th Monday over there now. |
Sun_dancer
User ID: 48671548 United States 04/06/2014 07:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine's acting President Oleksandr Turchynov has called an emergency meeting of security services as pro-Russian demonstrators take to the streets of several cities demanding referendum and autonomy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56509421 The meeting was held in the capital Kiev after protesters stormed into government buildings in the eastern cities of Donetsk and Lugansk in on Sunday. The protesters called an emergency session of the regional council to start by midnight. They also warned that they would dissolve the regional council and establish a people’s council instead if there’s no quorum by midnight. "Deputies of the regional council should convene before midnight and take the decision to carry out a referendum," a protest leader told the crowd over a loudspeaker. Wow, imagine if that caught on! People around the world demanding to vote on shit! OMG, this must be stopped!!!! I'm sure all the pro-US crowd, who claim to care about democracy, are telling Kiev to crush this dissent! How dare they demand a vote! Sun_dancer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56499239 Luxembourg 04/06/2014 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 In the Ukrainian city of Luhansk pro-Russian activists took over the regional branch of the National Bank of Ukraine, reports UNN. It is noted that about 3,000 organized youths have taken control of the financial institution. According to local residents, soon more takeovers of other strategic sites in the region are planned. In the meantime cargo trucks are all the time bringing supplies of unknown content to the separatists. [link to www.blitz.bg] |
PIR
User ID: 54058774 United States 04/06/2014 07:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine's acting President Oleksandr Turchynov has called an emergency meeting of security services as pro-Russian demonstrators take to the streets of several cities demanding referendum and autonomy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56509421 The meeting was held in the capital Kiev after protesters stormed into government buildings in the eastern cities of Donetsk and Lugansk in on Sunday. The protesters called an emergency session of the regional council to start by midnight. They also warned that they would dissolve the regional council and establish a people’s council instead if there’s no quorum by midnight. "Deputies of the regional council should convene before midnight and take the decision to carry out a referendum," a protest leader told the crowd over a loudspeaker. Wow, imagine if that caught on! People around the world demanding to vote on shit! OMG, this must be stopped!!!! I'm sure all the pro-US crowd, who claim to care about democracy, are telling Kiev to crush this dissent! How dare they demand a vote! The US only likes electronic votes that can be faked but Crimea's vote was done on paper and counted in public and could not be faked. The US hates that shit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States 04/06/2014 07:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 gold is down $2 and the safe haven Currency are just not seeing any action on the Ukraine Crisis so who the heck knows what is going on. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 54495626 Norway 04/06/2014 07:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Well gold and the FOREX have not moved at all on this news Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box gold is down $2 and the safe haven Currency are just not seeing any action on the Ukraine Crisis so who the heck knows what is going on. I'm watching the market too as traders seems to catch on pretty early. Oil and Nat gas is down, USD.RUB got terrible spread, but not much movment as of yet. US Stock futures are just slopping around where they closed too. Atleast it doesn't seem anyone is suprized by the last development. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56498563 United States 04/06/2014 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Well gold and the FOREX have not moved at all on this news Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box gold is down $2 and the safe haven Currency are just not seeing any action on the Ukraine Crisis so who the heck knows what is going on. I think these markets seldom move based on the implications of events on the ground, especially when there has been no major violence yet. Markets move when "officials" make statements and only when those "officials" are important enough. That means Obama, Kerry, Putin, or Lavrov in a situation like Ukraine. Unless it is someone like that or a leak about what they are about to say I expect the markets will stay pretty calm. All bets are off if there are confirmed Russian military moves into the mainland thought. |
Sun_dancer
User ID: 48671548 United States 04/06/2014 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Depends on age group - men die younger. See the "Sex ratio" table - [link to www.indexmundi.com] . Sun_dancer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56491307 United Kingdom 04/06/2014 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Whether it's morally right or wrong you have to say that Putin has played a tactical mastetstroke again by setting everything in motion late on a sunday evening when everyone in the western governments are at home and can't respond until monday morning by which time Putin could be well on the way to establishing facts on the ground. |
PIR
User ID: 54058774 United States 04/06/2014 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Whether it's morally right or wrong you have to say that Putin has played a tactical mastetstroke again by setting everything in motion late on a sunday evening when everyone in the western governments are at home and can't respond until monday morning by which time Putin could be well on the way to establishing facts on the ground. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56491307 Correct |
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Newshunter User ID: 22608763 United States 04/06/2014 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The tweets are authentic (i.e. they were made) - see [link to twitter.com (secure)] . Quoting: Sun_dancer But this "Ukraine Reporter" account is rabidly anti-Russian, quite possibly (ahem, ahem) funded/operated by the many US NGOs operating on Twitter. And a related news story I just stumbled across: RT: Big Brother’s Facebook: UK, US intelligence ‘infiltrating’ social media "American and British intelligence hope to take advantage of social media platforms, like Twitter, YouTube and Facebook, in an effort to spread disinformation and propaganda, as well as potentially foment public protests, recent Snowden leaks claim. "According to Glenn Greenwald ..., an Orwellian-style dystopia is lurking on the horizon as western spy agencies see an opportunity for manipulating public opinion and disseminating state propaganda by exploiting global internet giants, such as Flickr, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. " [link to rt.com] RT is pure Russian propaganda and Greenwald is a known Putin sympathizer. See, I can do it too. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56499239 Luxembourg 04/06/2014 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Well gold and the FOREX have not moved at all on this news Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box gold is down $2 and the safe haven Currency are just not seeing any action on the Ukraine Crisis so who the heck knows what is going on. I think these markets seldom move based on the implications of events on the ground, especially when there has been no major violence yet. Markets move when "officials" make statements and only when those "officials" are important enough. That means Obama, Kerry, Putin, or Lavrov in a situation like Ukraine. Unless it is someone like that or a leak about what they are about to say I expect the markets will stay pretty calm. All bets are off if there are confirmed Russian military moves into the mainland thought. the nwo central banks are pumping fiat money into market maker financial institutions like goldman sachs, jp morgan etc that have the leverage to drive each market into any direction they choose. So markets aren't free anymore and can't really give hints on future events. In exchange for the fiat money the market makers buy bonds to keep the illusion that there is demand for debt auctions. |
Jux11
User ID: 56298815 United States 04/06/2014 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 41s At least 200 pro-#russian separatists inside the #Kharkov RSA now. They urge to keep building first 24hours - EuromaidanSOS FB | PR point the finger, blame the other |
Jux11
User ID: 56298815 United States 04/06/2014 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR · 41s Quoting: Jux11 At least 200 pro-#russian separatists inside the #Kharkov RSA now. They urge to keep building first 24hours - EuromaidanSOS FB | PR [link to twitter.com (secure)] point the finger, blame the other |
Sun_dancer
User ID: 48671548 United States 04/06/2014 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Whether it's morally right or wrong you have to say that Putin has played a tactical mastetstroke again by setting everything in motion late on a sunday evening when everyone in the western governments are at home and can't respond until monday morning by which time Putin could be well on the way to establishing facts on the ground. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56491307 Kinda like the EU/US pulling off their putsch during the Olympics? And the same with Georgia the prior Olympics? I think the pro-Russians have learned from the Maidan playbook. They are probably using the same pamphlets that were being handed out at Maidan: seizing government buildings, constructing barricades, declaring a parallel government, condemning the government over and over again (whether true or not was not so important), undermining governmental authority, etc. Sun_dancer |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56498563 United States 04/06/2014 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Whether it's morally right or wrong you have to say that Putin has played a tactical mastetstroke again by setting everything in motion late on a sunday evening when everyone in the western governments are at home and can't respond until monday morning by which time Putin could be well on the way to establishing facts on the ground. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56491307 Kinda like the EU/US pulling off their putsch during the Olympics? And the same with Georgia the prior Olympics? I think the pro-Russians have learned from the Maidan playbook. They are probably using the same pamphlets that were being handed out at Maidan: seizing government buildings, constructing barricades, declaring a parallel government, condemning the government over and over again (whether true or not was not so important), undermining governmental authority, etc. Possibly. But how is transparently orchestrated mob rule a good thing? That's what I keep asking myself. None of this is anything to be proud of. It is a failure of diplomacy and it is the beginning of a path fraught with the potential for tragedy. It may not be doom yet but right now I don't see anyone walking it back. This is bad. Makes me believe the troops on the border are real since it is the Ukrainian knowledge of them that has frozen their response. When the slightest misstep can provoke a Russian invasion within hours there really isn't much margin to go in and neutralize the situation. I didn't like mob rule in any of the places it has been used politically and this is no different. Elections in the sweet bye and bye is what they all promise. |
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Sun_dancer
User ID: 48671548 United States 04/06/2014 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The tweets are authentic (i.e. they were made) - see [link to twitter.com (secure)] . Quoting: Sun_dancer But this "Ukraine Reporter" account is rabidly anti-Russian, quite possibly (ahem, ahem) funded/operated by the many US NGOs operating on Twitter. And a related news story I just stumbled across: RT: Big Brother’s Facebook: UK, US intelligence ‘infiltrating’ social media "American and British intelligence hope to take advantage of social media platforms, like Twitter, YouTube and Facebook, in an effort to spread disinformation and propaganda, as well as potentially foment public protests, recent Snowden leaks claim. "According to Glenn Greenwald ..., an Orwellian-style dystopia is lurking on the horizon as western spy agencies see an opportunity for manipulating public opinion and disseminating state propaganda by exploiting global internet giants, such as Flickr, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. " [link to rt.com] RT is pure Russian propaganda and Greenwald is a known Putin sympathizer. See, I can do it too. It's fine :), but just to contrast what I try to do and what you wrote above: I don't hide the orientation of the sources I post - I don't post tweets by radical anti-US propagandists and pretend they are some neutral source of information. Not saying others are pretending, but so very very many here continuously post rabidly anti-Russian anonymous tweeters it's almost comical - I am just pointing to the obvious bias of an unknown "news source" and think it is valid commentary. Everyone knows RT is Russia's state news agency, same is true with BBC for UK and CNN for US, and I never comment on those, though I might comment on some author or official being quoted as having a particularly strong bias. The story I linked is not just on Russian state news - e.g., see "examiner.com" (and its report on how US media is ignoring this story but EU media are not): [link to www.examiner.com] And if you have evidence that Greenwald is a "Putin sympathizer", I actually would be interested to see that :). Sun_dancer |