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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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The tweets are authentic (i.e. they were made) - see [link to twitter.com (secure)] .

But this "Ukraine Reporter" account is rabidly anti-Russian, quite possibly (ahem, ahem) funded/operated by the many US NGOs operating on Twitter.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer

And a related news story I just stumbled across:

RT: Big Brother’s Facebook: UK, US intelligence ‘infiltrating’ social media

"American and British intelligence hope to take advantage of social media platforms, like Twitter, YouTube and Facebook, in an effort to spread disinformation and propaganda, as well as potentially foment public protests, recent Snowden leaks claim.

"According to Glenn Greenwald ..., an Orwellian-style dystopia is lurking on the horizon as western spy agencies see an opportunity for manipulating public opinion and disseminating state propaganda by exploiting global internet giants, such as Flickr, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. "

[link to rt.com]
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@EuromaidanPR: President of #Czech Republic: Invading #Ukraine, Russia will cross the “red line” | PR News #Putin
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This man needs to calm down. Let Obama talk about red lines.

He's the expert in this subject.
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@zerohedge: "Branch of the National Bank of Ukraine has been captured by separatists in Lugansk"
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what it has be at least 5 or 6 hours since this started

and no response by the Ukrainian Government Really.

even if they want to separate from the Ukraine you can

have lawless or armed mobs running thought the streets

of a city, and still say you are in charge and running

a country.

This is a very sad Mess and I don't not think this well

end up bloodless and they all lived happily every after

like in the fairy tale books.
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@EuromaidanPR: President of #Czech Republic: Invading #Ukraine, Russia will cross the “red line” | PR News #Putin
 Quoting: < DL >


You have to wonder. He should be worrying about whether the US will really come to Czech Republic's defense if Russia moves in there. These guys all want to start something they can't finish. Expansion of NATO is the last thing anyone interested in the Czech Republic's interests should be advocating.
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article from 2008
Russia's ambassador to NATO has warned that any military interference in the Caucasus conflict will be considered as declaration of war.


In an interview with the Russian newspaper Vremya Novostei, Dmitry Rogozin, warned that any NATO attack on the Moscow-backed regions would "mean a declaration of war on Russia."
[link to edition.presstv.ir]

sounds familiar
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Ukraine's acting President Oleksandr Turchynov has called an emergency meeting of security services as pro-Russian demonstrators take to the streets of several cities demanding referendum and autonomy.

The meeting was held in the capital Kiev after protesters stormed into government buildings in the eastern cities of Donetsk and Lugansk in on Sunday.

The protesters called an emergency session of the regional council to start by midnight.

They also warned that they would dissolve the regional council and establish a people’s council instead if there’s no quorum by midnight.

"Deputies of the regional council should convene before midnight and take the decision to carry out a referendum," a protest leader told the crowd over a loudspeaker.
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Ukraine's acting President Oleksandr Turchynov has called an emergency meeting of security services as pro-Russian demonstrators take to the streets of several cities demanding referendum and autonomy.

The meeting was held in the capital Kiev after protesters stormed into government buildings in the eastern cities of Donetsk and Lugansk in on Sunday.

The protesters called an emergency session of the regional council to start by midnight.

They also warned that they would dissolve the regional council and establish a people’s council instead if there’s no quorum by midnight.

"Deputies of the regional council should convene before midnight and take the decision to carry out a referendum," a protest leader told the crowd over a loudspeaker.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56509421


well I think they are a little late then it is 2 am

May 7th Monday over there now.
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Ukraine's acting President Oleksandr Turchynov has called an emergency meeting of security services as pro-Russian demonstrators take to the streets of several cities demanding referendum and autonomy.

The meeting was held in the capital Kiev after protesters stormed into government buildings in the eastern cities of Donetsk and Lugansk in on Sunday.

The protesters called an emergency session of the regional council to start by midnight.

They also warned that they would dissolve the regional council and establish a people’s council instead if there’s no quorum by midnight.

"Deputies of the regional council should convene before midnight and take the decision to carry out a referendum," a protest leader told the crowd over a loudspeaker.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56509421

Wow, imagine if that caught on! People around the world demanding to vote on shit! OMG, this must be stopped!!!! I'm sure all the pro-US crowd, who claim to care about democracy, are telling Kiev to crush this dissent! How dare they demand a vote!
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In the Ukrainian city of Luhansk pro-Russian activists took over the regional branch of the National Bank of Ukraine, reports UNN. It is noted that about 3,000 organized youths have taken control of the financial institution. According to local residents, soon more takeovers of other strategic sites in the region are planned. In the meantime cargo trucks are all the time bringing supplies of unknown content to the separatists.

[link to www.blitz.bg]
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Ukraine's acting President Oleksandr Turchynov has called an emergency meeting of security services as pro-Russian demonstrators take to the streets of several cities demanding referendum and autonomy.

The meeting was held in the capital Kiev after protesters stormed into government buildings in the eastern cities of Donetsk and Lugansk in on Sunday.

The protesters called an emergency session of the regional council to start by midnight.

They also warned that they would dissolve the regional council and establish a people’s council instead if there’s no quorum by midnight.

"Deputies of the regional council should convene before midnight and take the decision to carry out a referendum," a protest leader told the crowd over a loudspeaker.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56509421

Wow, imagine if that caught on! People around the world demanding to vote on shit! OMG, this must be stopped!!!! I'm sure all the pro-US crowd, who claim to care about democracy, are telling Kiev to crush this dissent! How dare they demand a vote!
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


The US only likes electronic votes that can be faked but Crimea's vote was done on paper and counted in public and could not be faked.

The US hates that shit.
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Well gold and the FOREX have not moved at all on this news

gold is down $2 and the safe haven Currency are just not

seeing any action on the Ukraine Crisis so who the heck

knows what is going on.
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Well gold and the FOREX have not moved at all on this news

gold is down $2 and the safe haven Currency are just not

seeing any action on the Ukraine Crisis so who the heck

knows what is going on.
 Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box


it's not a free market anymore
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Is it true there are more women than men in Ukraine?
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Well gold and the FOREX have not moved at all on this news

gold is down $2 and the safe haven Currency are just not

seeing any action on the Ukraine Crisis so who the heck

knows what is going on.
 Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box


I'm watching the market too as traders seems to catch on pretty early. Oil and Nat gas is down, USD.RUB got terrible spread, but not much movment as of yet.
US Stock futures are just slopping around where they closed too.
Atleast it doesn't seem anyone is suprized by the last development.
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Well gold and the FOREX have not moved at all on this news

gold is down $2 and the safe haven Currency are just not

seeing any action on the Ukraine Crisis so who the heck

knows what is going on.
 Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box


I think these markets seldom move based on the implications of events on the ground, especially when there has been no major violence yet. Markets move when "officials" make statements and only when those "officials" are important enough. That means Obama, Kerry, Putin, or Lavrov in a situation like Ukraine. Unless it is someone like that or a leak about what they are about to say I expect the markets will stay pretty calm. All bets are off if there are confirmed Russian military moves into the mainland thought.
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Is it true there are more women than men in Ukraine?
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Depends on age group - men die younger. See the "Sex ratio" table - [link to www.indexmundi.com] .
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Whether it's morally right or wrong you have to say that Putin has played a tactical mastetstroke again by setting everything in motion late on a sunday evening when everyone in the western governments are at home and can't respond until monday morning by which time Putin could be well on the way to establishing facts on the ground.
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Whether it's morally right or wrong you have to say that Putin has played a tactical mastetstroke again by setting everything in motion late on a sunday evening when everyone in the western governments are at home and can't respond until monday morning by which time Putin could be well on the way to establishing facts on the ground.
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Correct
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@StateOfUkraine: #Czech leader says #NATO could offer troops to #Ukraine if #Russia goes beyond #Crimea
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The tweets are authentic (i.e. they were made) - see [link to twitter.com (secure)] .

But this "Ukraine Reporter" account is rabidly anti-Russian, quite possibly (ahem, ahem) funded/operated by the many US NGOs operating on Twitter.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer

And a related news story I just stumbled across:

RT: Big Brother’s Facebook: UK, US intelligence ‘infiltrating’ social media

"American and British intelligence hope to take advantage of social media platforms, like Twitter, YouTube and Facebook, in an effort to spread disinformation and propaganda, as well as potentially foment public protests, recent Snowden leaks claim.

"According to Glenn Greenwald ..., an Orwellian-style dystopia is lurking on the horizon as western spy agencies see an opportunity for manipulating public opinion and disseminating state propaganda by exploiting global internet giants, such as Flickr, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. "

[link to rt.com]
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


RT is pure Russian propaganda and Greenwald is a known Putin sympathizer. See, I can do it too.
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Well gold and the FOREX have not moved at all on this news

gold is down $2 and the safe haven Currency are just not

seeing any action on the Ukraine Crisis so who the heck

knows what is going on.
 Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box


I think these markets seldom move based on the implications of events on the ground, especially when there has been no major violence yet. Markets move when "officials" make statements and only when those "officials" are important enough. That means Obama, Kerry, Putin, or Lavrov in a situation like Ukraine. Unless it is someone like that or a leak about what they are about to say I expect the markets will stay pretty calm. All bets are off if there are confirmed Russian military moves into the mainland thought.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56498563


the nwo central banks are pumping fiat money into market maker financial institutions like goldman sachs, jp morgan etc that have the leverage to drive each market into any direction they choose. So markets aren't free anymore and can't really give hints on future events. In exchange for the fiat money the market makers buy bonds to keep the illusion that there is demand for debt auctions.
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Euromaidan PR &#8207;@EuromaidanPR · 41s
At least 200 pro-#russian separatists inside the #Kharkov RSA now. They urge to keep building first 24hours - EuromaidanSOS FB | PR
point the finger, blame the other
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Euromaidan PR &#8207;@EuromaidanPR · 41s
At least 200 pro-#russian separatists inside the #Kharkov RSA now. They urge to keep building first 24hours - EuromaidanSOS FB | PR
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[link to twitter.com (secure)]
point the finger, blame the other
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Whether it's morally right or wrong you have to say that Putin has played a tactical mastetstroke again by setting everything in motion late on a sunday evening when everyone in the western governments are at home and can't respond until monday morning by which time Putin could be well on the way to establishing facts on the ground.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56491307

Kinda like the EU/US pulling off their putsch during the Olympics? And the same with Georgia the prior Olympics?

I think the pro-Russians have learned from the Maidan playbook. They are probably using the same pamphlets that were being handed out at Maidan: seizing government buildings, constructing barricades, declaring a parallel government, condemning the government over and over again (whether true or not was not so important), undermining governmental authority, etc.
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Russia army on high alert on the border... NATO saying they will send troops...

UH OH.
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@StateOfUkraine: #Czech leader says #NATO could offer troops to #Ukraine if #Russia goes beyond #Crimea
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Hopefully NATO is all hat and no cattle otherwise we're fucked.
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report of shooting in Kharkov Zerohedge@Zerohegde
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Whether it's morally right or wrong you have to say that Putin has played a tactical mastetstroke again by setting everything in motion late on a sunday evening when everyone in the western governments are at home and can't respond until monday morning by which time Putin could be well on the way to establishing facts on the ground.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56491307

Kinda like the EU/US pulling off their putsch during the Olympics? And the same with Georgia the prior Olympics?

I think the pro-Russians have learned from the Maidan playbook. They are probably using the same pamphlets that were being handed out at Maidan: seizing government buildings, constructing barricades, declaring a parallel government, condemning the government over and over again (whether true or not was not so important), undermining governmental authority, etc.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


Possibly. But how is transparently orchestrated mob rule a good thing? That's what I keep asking myself. None of this is anything to be proud of. It is a failure of diplomacy and it is the beginning of a path fraught with the potential for tragedy. It may not be doom yet but right now I don't see anyone walking it back. This is bad. Makes me believe the troops on the border are real since it is the Ukrainian knowledge of them that has frozen their response. When the slightest misstep can provoke a Russian invasion within hours there really isn't much margin to go in and neutralize the situation.

I didn't like mob rule in any of the places it has been used politically and this is no different. Elections in the sweet bye and bye is what they all promise.
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Shooting reported in Kharkiv [link to bambuser.com]
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The tweets are authentic (i.e. they were made) - see [link to twitter.com (secure)] .

But this "Ukraine Reporter" account is rabidly anti-Russian, quite possibly (ahem, ahem) funded/operated by the many US NGOs operating on Twitter.
 Quoting: Sun_dancer

And a related news story I just stumbled across:

RT: Big Brother’s Facebook: UK, US intelligence ‘infiltrating’ social media

"American and British intelligence hope to take advantage of social media platforms, like Twitter, YouTube and Facebook, in an effort to spread disinformation and propaganda, as well as potentially foment public protests, recent Snowden leaks claim.

"According to Glenn Greenwald ..., an Orwellian-style dystopia is lurking on the horizon as western spy agencies see an opportunity for manipulating public opinion and disseminating state propaganda by exploiting global internet giants, such as Flickr, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. "

[link to rt.com]
 Quoting: Sun_dancer


RT is pure Russian propaganda and Greenwald is a known Putin sympathizer. See, I can do it too.
 Quoting: Newshunter 22608763

It's fine :), but just to contrast what I try to do and what you wrote above:

I don't hide the orientation of the sources I post - I don't post tweets by radical anti-US propagandists and pretend they are some neutral source of information. Not saying others are pretending, but so very very many here continuously post rabidly anti-Russian anonymous tweeters it's almost comical - I am just pointing to the obvious bias of an unknown "news source" and think it is valid commentary.

Everyone knows RT is Russia's state news agency, same is true with BBC for UK and CNN for US, and I never comment on those, though I might comment on some author or official being quoted as having a particularly strong bias.

The story I linked is not just on Russian state news - e.g., see "examiner.com" (and its report on how US media is ignoring this story but EU media are not): [link to www.examiner.com]

And if you have evidence that Greenwald is a "Putin sympathizer", I actually would be interested to see that :).
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