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Anonymous Coward User ID: 59276882 Germany 06/15/2014 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Having own gas production and reserves any decrease or cut of supplies is not critical to Ukraine. After annexation of Crimea Ukraine already got a full moral right not to pay the aggressor. Given Russia's participation in the turmoil on the east and military help to separatisists Ukraine should cut a transit itself and thereby deprive Russia of funds used for this. Besides, this week sanctions on Iran will be removed, so Russia will also bear losses with oil. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59276882 You can argue that Ukraine is in the right not to pay for Russian gas. But the EU countries will be very angry if gas in storage earmarked for use by the EU is taken. The good news for Ukraine is that it doesn't use nearly as much gas as it used to with so much of the industry being idle. Same with nuclear generated electricity. Your claims about possibility of EU gas usage stored in Ukrainian gas-holders are just speculations, nothing else. Ukraine has at least 12 gas-holders with capacity of 31 bln.m3. BTW, Europe does not have something similar, very far from it with 2 quite small gas-holders, but Russia does not even have a single one, and that's why Ukraine is so important for both. You don't know how much EU gas is stored in Ukrainian gas-holders, however it is known how many Ukrainian gas there: to June 11 there was 13.4 bln.m3. And saying that cut of supplies is not critical to Ukraine for several months I meant namely this volume. |
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User ID: 15383548 United States 06/15/2014 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Gregor Peter ‏@L0gg0l · 2m Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box RUSSIA - UKRAINE GAS TALKS END WITH NO AGREEMENT --> Gazprom will switch off V. Nuland...F*CK the EU! Sorry had to replace you smiley.. SICSEMPERTYRANIS Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum Vi veri universum vivus vici "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact". Arthur Conan Doyle "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth". Arthur Conan Doyle MOLON LABE [link to www.usavsus.info] |
glasgowrab86
User ID: 59293227 United Kingdom 06/15/2014 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Gregor Peter ‏@L0gg0l · 5m Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box View translation Latest Russian military movements towards Ukraine: - 19th motorized brigade from Vladikavkaz - Supply lines from Kaluga - Staging in Rostov Expand Retweeted by Nathan J Hunt Pierre Johnson ‏@Charlemenge · 10m @MiddleEast_BRK Roger that. Language is important in how things are stated. A Russian Motorized Rifle Brigade being mobilized is significant In the third week of June...on or near the solstice...Russia will roll into Ukraine as "peace keepers" and be greeted by cheering crowds with flowers. You have been saying this for ages now are u just predicting or do you have some intel |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57684591 Nigeria 06/15/2014 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ukraine Reporter ‏@StateOfUkraine 1m Quoting: Anti-Banderist There are multiple reports that Russian military convoys of APCs, trucks, and tanks are heading from several directions towards #Ukraine. Starting to coincide with Russia cutting the gas today(?). It will hurt Poland and Greece as well. These troops are probably moved to the border as security? Well there was a report erlier on this thread that Russian troops was returning towards the border becase of the attack on russia in the kiev Embassy. The embassy is a part of russia and since russia was attacked troops are comming back to the border thats what it said.Also russia is being threatened by NATO so thats makes sense for them to beef up their border. |
Anti-Banderist
User ID: 43367532 Germany 06/15/2014 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Rock Solid Politics ‏@BradCabana 7m BREAKING: #Russia will cut off gas to #Ukraine at 0600 GMT if no payment is made, according to #Gazprom." via @INTLSpectator #cdnpoli -Tom |
Falter
User ID: 58276109 Sweden 06/15/2014 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The Int. Spectator @INTLSpectator · 6 min Quoting: Dangerwalt BREAKING: Russia will cut off gas to Ukraine at 0600 GMT if no payment is made, according to Gazprom. Ukraine will probably pay in the last minute. Or will they? "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
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User ID: 22992427 Czechia 06/15/2014 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Another vid of Russian army heading to Ukraine: “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 59280502 Germany 06/15/2014 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 some ukraine drama loss stats from the saker 2760 losses (killed, injured, captured) from the counter-insurgency forces : 1240 extremists of the "Right Sector", mostly incorporated into the National Guard, also some actual National Guard soldiers. On 29th of May the chief of the National Guard academy Brigadier General Sergei Kulchitsky was killed near Slaviansk. 770 of Kolomoisky's Ukrainian mercenaries (of the battalions "Dnieper", "Donbass", "Azov"). Two of their leaders, Demidenko and Bereza, were killed in Mariupol. 100 SBU officers ("Alpha" of Sumy completely wiped out; significant "Alpha" losses from other regions - Kiev, Poltava, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, Rivne, Lutsk, Volyn, Vinnytsia, Zhytomyr) 150 foreign mercenaries : 21 Polish "ASBS Othago", 29 American "Graystone", 95 American "Academi" (Blackwater), 5 Baltic women snipers. 90 soldiers of the 95th air-mobile brigade (Zhytomyr). 90 soldiers of the 25th air-mobile brigade (Dnepropetrovsk). 50 soldiers of the 79th air-mobile brigade (Mykolaïv). 10 soldiers of the 3rd spetsnaz regiment (Kirovohrad). 30 soldiers of the 93rd mechanized brigade (Dnepropetrovsk oblast) 50 border guards (Lugansk) 30 soldiers of the 16th Army Air Corps (Lviv oblast) 20 soldiers of the 831st Tactical Air Force brigade (Myrhorod) 5 soldiers of the 114st Tactical Air Force brigade (Ivano-Frankivsk) 5 crew of the An-30 reconnaissance aircraft (around Chuhuiv, Kharkov). 25 officers of the CIA and FBI (13 killed, 12 injured). 35 officers of the Interior Ministry Equipment destroyed: 1 Antonov-30 reconnaissance aircraft 1 Ilyushin-76 aircraft 2 Sukhoi-25 aircraft 2 Sukhoi-24 aircraft 1 drone 16 military helicopters (Mi-24, Mi-17, Mi-8) 7 T-64 tanks 3 Humvees 3 Gaz-66 trucks 4 Ural trucks 6 KamAZ trucks 2 "Nona" self-propelled howitzers 3 Grad launchers 2 Uragan (Hurricane) launchers 3 D-30 howitzers 22 armored combat vehicles 35 APCs |
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djdandew1
User ID: 57594343 United Kingdom 06/15/2014 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 @rConflictNews 2m Russian gas giant Gazprom reaffirms 06:00 GMT deadline for Ukr debt payment after EU-brokered talks fail “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” General Wesley Clark |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57684591 Nigeria 06/15/2014 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 If there was a massacre of 100 civilians in Schastye, both sides nee to cooperate in an investigation immediately. Autopsies and forensics need to be on the corpses. What calibre of round, position of bodies where they lay. The responsible maniacs need to be arrested, tried and executed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4629884 The insanity of such an act makes it difficult to believe any Ukie would be so epically dumb and evil. Gotta make sure it wasn't Russian false flag. wtf. Well what about Odessa I would say thats just what a paricular kind of shadow part of kiev always does and so did their ancestors, a psycho Nazi gen. |
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Falter
User ID: 58276109 Sweden 06/15/2014 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Russian Market ‏@russian_market 47 s Germany will be suffering the most by Ukrainian gas cuts. #DAX Lol, no shit? "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
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FormerlyBritish
User ID: 55803746 United States 06/15/2014 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Russian Market ‏@russian_market 47 s Quoting: Falter Germany will be suffering the most by Ukrainian gas cuts. #DAX Lol, no shit? Not if Germany twists Brussels arms to fix some bureaucracy pronto and turns up the wick on NordStream. On the other hand Germany has some health industry that runs on gas, so in that sense they have more to lose because they have more to begin with. In contrast, purely for example, Britain ceased to do any useful manufacturing (except Airbus and Rolls Royce aero-engines) years ago. Last Edited by FormerlyBritish on 06/15/2014 08:11 PM |
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FormerlyBritish
User ID: 55803746 United States 06/15/2014 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Whatever. Let Putin cut the gas. It'll cost him 100 million USD per day. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4629884 Right ! Let members of Puting gang eat each other. USD100m/day huh/ Well for a start Russia will save at least USD10m/day by not giving free gas to a country that wants nothing other than to kill Russians. Russia exports 7m bbl/day of crude oil. So to recover that USD100m/day the spot price of crude oil would have to go up by USD14/bbl. Well guess what, it already went up USD10 in the last three months and the outlook is extremely bullish. Also Russia's trade surplus (exports minus imports that were actually paid for, not from deadbeats who don't pay their bills) was, for the first four months of 2014 USD465million per day. So USD100million/day could easily be afforded and still leave a huge balance of trade surplus. Contrast with so many other countries that have only deficits. And if the price of crude oil were to skyrocket - well then?! Truth is, Russia should have cut Ukraine off from gas months ago. And now Ukraine is threatening to end diplomatic relations. Well peachy! - there goes 40% of the Ukraine's exports and 98% of its supply of nuclear fuel. Not to mention what Belarus is going to do to Ukraine's source of diesel fuel in order to please Russia. [link to www.nasdaq.com] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to www.vestifinance.ru] Last Edited by FormerlyBritish on 06/15/2014 08:39 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58487295 United States 06/15/2014 08:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Can you imagine what GLP would have been like had it been around during the 'Phoney War' of late 1939 to mid 1940? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53990064 too funny How about the Balfour Declaration as being a leaked e-mail? I wonder when it was made public? At that time, or later? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38687327 United States 06/15/2014 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Whatever. Let Putin cut the gas. It'll cost him 100 million USD per day. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4629884 It won't cost Putin jack shit. Because he's not receiving payment anyway. Russia loses even more if they continue to give Kiev junta free gas. Right now, Ukraine gets gas for free while Russia's European enemies don't have to do anything besides provide Kiev war aid. Cutting off the gas forces Europe to pay and even higher cost to wage their proxy war on Russia. It also forces a group of already politically shakey regimes to force more pain on their own people to wage yet another stupid war against Russia. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59276882 Germany 06/15/2014 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Whatever. Let Putin cut the gas. It'll cost him 100 million USD per day. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4629884 Right ! Let members of Puting gang eat each other. USD100m/day huh/ Well for a start Russia will save at least USD10m/day by not giving free gas to a country that wants nothing other than to kill Russians. Russia exports 7m bbl/day of crude oil. So to recover that USD100m/day the spot price of crude oil would have to go up by USD14/bbl. Well guess what, it already went up USD10 in the last three months and the outlook is extremely bullish. Also Russia's trade surplus (exports minus imports that were actually paid for, not from deadbeats who don't pay their bills) was, for the first four months of 2014 USD465million per day. So USD100million/day could easily be afforded and still leave a huge balance of trade surplus. Contrast with so many other countries that have only deficits. And if the price of crude oil were to skyrocket - well then?! Truth is, Russia should have cut Ukraine off from gas months ago. And now Ukraine is threatening to end diplomatic relations. Well peachy! - there goes 40% of the Ukraine's exports and 98% of its supply of nuclear fuel. Not to mention what Belarus is going to do to Ukraine's source of diesel fuel in order to please Russia. [link to www.nasdaq.com] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to www.vestifinance.ru] Russia will save nothing because it does not have gas-holders. To stop gas production is not so easy and quickly as to close the tap of water supply. As for oil price increase, with Iran embargo off Russia may continue to dream further. As for so called huge surplus, the situation in the economy is not so rosy as you describe - far from it: already now Russia budget is struggling with problems. Missing inflow from oil and gas sales will only aggravate them. As for Belarus, they are happy to sell diesel fuel. And you know well that these supplies can be easily substituted by those from Lithuania, Poland, Rumania, Hungary and Bulgaria. If gasoline is imported from these countries, do you really believe there will be problems with diesel ? Come on ! |
FormerlyBritish
User ID: 55803746 United States 06/15/2014 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... do you really believe there will be problems with diesel ? Come on ! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59276882 There already was. The farms could not get financed to buy enough for the Spring planting season. As to gas holders, well of course Russia has them silly. They are call reserves in the ground. If you don't mine the gas now you can mine it later and the field lasts that much longer. |
Wayfaring Stranger
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Anti-Banderist
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FormerlyBritish
User ID: 55803746 United States 06/15/2014 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Gas talks ended around three hours ago 2:30 a.m. Moscow time Monday. [link to voiceofrussia.com] It is still not known whether Ukraine will pay up by the deadline, now very slightly more than 4.5 hours away. But if not paid then will be cut off. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59280502 Germany 06/15/2014 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Strelkov deputy Berezin says Ukrainian Army or National Guard APC crew that drove into Russia, and may have been suspected of making a defection attempt, have been executed by Right Sector Nazis |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54156056 United States 06/15/2014 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Cutting the gas off will make countries go absolute crazy, if history repeats itself. During ww 2 the u.s signed the oil embargo cutting off oil to japan, in contrast the japs went crazy , the rest is history |