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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60267372  Poland07/15/2014 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: KneelB4Zod! Some rumours claim that Kievistas have 4 AH-64 Apache. But I strongly doubt they can learn them to fly Apache in this Bell. Fact is that US has no new choppers as far as I know. Apache is piece of old trash too and their project of new, stealth heli Comanche was cancelled because it was crap what fell down from the sky just by itself... When you write that the AH-64 is just a piece of old junk too, do you do any kind of research at all, or do you just guess and hope? That statement is so ridiculous that it is beyond a mistake, beyond misinformation-it is pure fiction, that statement is. Dude, it is almost 40 years old chopper. Of course you can modernized it with new technologies, advanced defenses but you can't change that first fly was in 1975. Yes, it is old junk by my opinion what can't concure newer MANPADs and AA systems. Be sure we are not talking about mujahids with some obsolete RPGs but about guys with much more advanced equipments... Dude, you're living in la-la land. The AH-64 is one of the world's most powerful, successful, combat proven, weapons platforms ever created. The claims you make about the AH-64 are not true, they are fiction. Srsly ? even without air superiority ? US air force must belive in your statmen when they atack Karbala in 2003 Going full atack in some Apocalypse now style without full control on ground resulted in "While no crews were seriously injured, 31 of the 32 Apaches sustained combat damage, some of it serious. A crash on landing destroyed one of the aircraft after it had returned to base. Another AH-64D came down in enemy territory and its crew was captured and held until the end of the conflict." [link to sgforums.com] Ah-64 is quite soft and you try say that this chooper is strong and tough even than mi24 who receive quite beating in ukraine now. Time for attack choppers has ended to many too good manpands and too cheap too comparing to chopper price. |
| iObserve User ID: 60265831  Croatia07/15/2014 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ... Quoting: PIR Good logic. Hard to call at this point as it appears we have a slow motion invasion going on. A dozen or so armor elements infiltrating every night under the cover of darkness who then split up into small groups on different routes. Classic sneak attack I think that is likely but the lack of real proof of all the charges of heave equipment coming from Russia is starting to make me wonder what the truth really is. I always assumed Russia was lying but even the latest US State Department fact sheet still relies on "assessments" and video to support the charges. I am starting to wonder if it is true that a lot of heavy weapons theft and smuggling into Ukraine actually preceded the war. We don't live in an age of real proof but where are the satellite images of Russian columns, before and after crossing the border? These isolated ambiguous pictures are starting to make me wonder about what I had always taken for granted. Certainly as to scale. Massive drills for the last 5 months along Ukrainian border, massing huge army and then pulling back. And then again moving to border? Clouds and rain days higher then usual, you can sneak in very easily across uncontrolled border... Please understand, I am not in denial. I don't know how "easy" it is when the stakes are high and the incentive to provide real public proof seemingly matches the stakes. Right now proof would be a big embarrassment for EU countries adamantly resisting sanctions. Those countries seem confident enough to resist US pressure right now. What is easy and what is hard really involves a judgment about the technology of detection. For whatever reason we are expected to reach our final conclusion more on suspicion than real proof. That is why I am backing off even though it wouldn't surprise me in the least. I was sure they would "find" WMD's in Iraq too, even if they had to plant them. I get surprised a lot because everything seems weird when the real truth emerges. Russia now says they are sending a man to the moon in 2030. More "wagging the moondoggie" if you know what I mean. True, we cannot be sure either way, I agree with you. WMD's in Iraq... 2500 chemical rockets captured by ISIS comes to my mind... I'm sure there are levels of manipulation and propaganda we are not even aware of no matter how "knowingly" we may think of ourselves. |
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 User ID: 22992427  Czechia07/15/2014 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Babay ‏@Truth_Seeker_11 3 min. Under heavy pressure, a lot of losses and supply problems #Ukraine army has retreated 40km from #Izvarino already [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)] “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27797357 Poland07/15/2014 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Dude, it is almost 40 years old chopper. Of course you can modernized it with new technologies, advanced defenses but you can't change that first fly was in 1975. Yes, it is old junk by my opinion what can't concure newer MANPADs and AA systems. Be sure we are not talking about mujahids with some obsolete RPGs but about guys with much more advanced equipments... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59249818 Dude, you're living in la-la land. The AH-64 is one of the world's most powerful, successful, combat proven, weapons platforms ever created. The claims you make about the AH-64 are not true, they are fiction. Srsly ? even without air superiority ? US air force must belive in your statmen when they atack Karbala in 2003 Going full atack in some Apocalypse now style without full control on ground resulted in "While no crews were seriously injured, 31 of the 32 Apaches sustained combat damage, some of it serious. A crash on landing destroyed one of the aircraft after it had returned to base. Another AH-64D came down in enemy territory and its crew was captured and held until the end of the conflict." [link to sgforums.com] Ah-64 is quite soft and you try say that this chooper is strong and tough even than mi24 who receive quite beating in ukraine now. Time for attack choppers has ended to many too good manpands and too cheap too comparing to chopper price. Couldn't agree more. Just remember about an exception: unleashing the gunships on unarmed civilians and their belongings - looks like that's the only thing banderist army enjoys and is able to do. |
| PIR
User ID: 54058774  United States07/15/2014 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 It appears that what we are witnessing is a US foreign policy disaster in real time. The US gambled 3+ billion dollars to back a coup in the nation of Ukraine promising the Junta that the US and NATO would back them in all their efforts. Victoria Nuland was caught on tape selecting the next hand picked US backed government of Ukraine. The first order of business was the theft of all the gold from the central bank of Ukraine. Next the US backed the election of Willy Wonka who had been on the CIA payroll from 2006 to today. The IMF then pledged billions of dollars to Ukraine but would only provide the funds if Ukraine took complete control of East Ukraine driving the separatist out or by the death of the separatist. We now see that the ATO has failed and the 4000 Ukrainian troops trapped in the east are all about to be defeated by the separatist. Now that it appears they are being defeated NATO and the US are silent...no aid...no help. The only way that NATO will commit to military aid/action in Ukraine is if Russia openly attacked Ukraine and all efforts to bait Russia into this trap have failed. So we are about to witness one of the greatest foreign policy failures in the history of the United States. The outcome for the people of West Ukraine will be tragic...the outcome for those in the east areas of the NAF will be one of victory. This will go down as a lesson to all nations on Earth as to what happens when the US attempts to interfere and influence any nation for political or financial gain. IMHO |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60264974 United States07/15/2014 04:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Guess I was right - Russian invasion within 3 months (by 7/16). Quoting: The_Original_Mind Goodnight Ukraine. Why do you expect a Russian invasion? NAF reports essentially suggest the tide is turning in the Southeast. The European defectors mean that Ukraine's supply of European money is likely to dry up soon. IMF can't certify loans with existing risk. Russia's defense against major sanctions is likely predicated on not openly intervening. EU friends need that fig leaf to stand up to the US for now. Only if Kiev looks like it will win will Russia intervene IMO. I don't see that happening based on current reports. Kiev is now scared of Maidan as its lies about success come home to roost. I think that is the real reason they are trying to shut it down now. Good logic. Hard to call at this point as it appears we have a slow motion invasion going on. A dozen or so armor elements infiltrating every night under the cover of darkness who then split up into small groups on different routes. Classic sneak attack I think that is likely but the lack of real proof of all the charges of heave equipment coming from Russia is starting to make me wonder what the truth really is. I always assumed Russia was lying but even the latest US State Department fact sheet still relies on "assessments" and video to support the charges. I am starting to wonder if it is true that a lot of heavy weapons theft and smuggling into Ukraine actually preceded the war. We don't live in an age of real proof but where are the satellite images of Russian columns, before and after crossing the border? These isolated ambiguous pictures are starting to make me wonder about what I had always taken for granted. Certainly as to scale. The truth is definitely unclear in this situation. There are fragments of imagery and suggestive evidence, but nothing conclusion. My original prediction was a mix (a) of reticence to accept the prevailing opinion three months ago, that Russia was on the verge of invasion, (b) of far-out prediction of all-out invasion via north and south, (c) and realistic assessment that Putin genuinely wants to annex Novorossiya through as painless means as possible. As I suggested, I don't see Putin initiating WWIII over this - he'd be content with just Crimea, which is now incontestably part of Russia. As I also suggested, Putin is willing to play the long game and I ran a rough guess of about three months until we start to see Russian involvement. That part seems to have come true, as have all the previous steps of the prediction. However, I agree with your reticence to accept 100% that Putin is committed to open warfare in the streets to take Novorossiya. Putin has waited for international outrage to calm down (master chess player), and has adopted a gradualist strategy of infiltrating units and armor into Novorossiya. Those of us paying attention know that he's successfully baited Ukraine into demolishing Novorossiya and undermining its international credibility. These eastern cities look like Berlin after WWII - Ukraine has lost its shit, and with it its credibility. Going forward, I fully expect Putin to bolster Novorossiya, to drive out the Ukrainian army, and to possibly to push to the Dnieper (yes, I still see that as a feasible Russian endgame). The West has demonstrated that it doesn't have the will or sense to prevent the emergence of an new Eastern Bloc, this time composed of ex-Soviet states (EEU) and BRICS nations. We are witnessing the collapse of the late-20th century world order and the emergence of a new decadent and decaying West and a vibrant, aggressive, and economically powerful East, centered around Russia, India, and China. In short, we are witnessing the geopolitical situation that confronted Rome in the second and third centuries AD: an old, tired, and internally weak empire (Rome/West) confronted by a new, vibrant alliance of powerful forces developing ancient centers of power (Sassanids/East). This development will be foreshadowed by local military advances: at the moment, Russia in Ukraine and China in the South China Sea. The fundamental condition of this new world order is that the West cannot win. We cannot prevent Russia pushing to the Dnieper if it wants. You might say: we can fight the militarily. Military might isn't the issue. It's the moral and public conditions underlying the use of force that is the problem. We, like Rome, expend our effort and riches on mindless campaigns against irrelevant enemies (Iraq, Afghanistan - before that, Vietnam, Korea, etc). Hence, when the big players come to town (Sassanids, Russians, Chinese), we have undercut our own patience, endurance, will, riches, and capabilities. Here's the thing: Putin and the Chinese know this. The best piece of advice my dad ever gave me before he died re geopolitics was: watch the Chinese, they play the waiting game, and they think a timetable of centuries, not years or decades. Putin thinks this way too. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57003584 United States07/15/2014 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 There is NO NATO in Ukraine, you cant point any out, there is no evidence other than Russian propaganda claims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27700769 Ukraine has been abandoned by everyone who promised to defend it after it disarmed itself. There is NO NATO in Ukraine, there is no support of any kind. Ukraine is alone and being invaded by Russia, AGAIN.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58297157 United States07/15/2014 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 When will Europe dissolve NATO and expel ALL American military presence from Europe and why hasn't it happened already? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60266571 That will start to happen, when US backed Nazi coup will lose Ukraine and it will be obvious that Ukrainian people do not want to go war with Russia. Nobody will want US proxy wars then but will want to make business. the Germans will jump ship and join-up with Russia and China. . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 55493132 United States07/15/2014 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK · 30 seg #BREAKIN MORE RUSSIAN TROOPS ENTERING #MAKIIVKA / #DONETSK NOW,INCL. SA-13 + HEAVY ARTILLERY … it is plain has day the Russians are invading piece meal so no one get excited but when you have scores of Armor coming every night pretty soon you have a whole lot of fucking armor and weapons in the country. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57003584 United States07/15/2014 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Nazi russian state media: indiscriminate bombing of Lugansk (largest in Europe since World War II) vs fake beaten palestinian teen & staged bombing of Gaza Quoting: THE SIMPLE TRUTH 60257646 Lugansk, first half a million city to be indiscriminately bombed in Europe since World War II Jul 7 - two months after Slovyansk (population 130,000, now 30,000) and Kramatorsk (population 160,000, now 50,000): Indiscriminate bombing of Lugansk starts, a premiere for a city of more than half a million in Europe after the surrender of Hitler's army, 1945. Lugansk had a population of 430,000 in April 2014. Since then 90,000 fled to Russia but on the other hand more than 100,000 fled from other towns (some were wiped off the map) to Lugansk. Jul 14 - now thousands of civilians in the city of Lugansk murdered by air strikes and barrages of Grad missiles, thoussands of houses and apartments destroyed. Not a beep in illuminati media, except for a few seconds showing an apartment with a hole in the wall, served as the "result of fighting between pro-russian and Ukrainian army". Only exception: russian state media, because it can't afford to totally censor it. Russia nazi media coverage: Ukraine's premiere v fake murdered beaten palestinian teens Russia state media is controlled by nazi agents of Russia gov, starting with impersonator of murdered Putin. That's why Russia state media 1. continues the total blackout of the leaders of Novorossya, who never got the chance to tell to the russian audience about the ongoing genocide. 2.- diverts from the genocide in Novorossya with the same non-stop "coverage" of two acts of illuminati theater: a) Palestinian teens murdered beaten by evil Jews, set on stage by Hamas together with the treasonous Israeli government, with the traitors going as far as "arresting the confessed perpetrators". No need to mention that all palestinian actors (beaten teen, parents, etc) are "interviewed". b) the classic, the staged bombings of Gaza by Israel, while in reality israelis are terrorized by thousands of Hamas rockets. Day after day "news" of "terrorized plalestinian civilians, scores murdered by Israelis in Gaza". Same as the rest of illuminazi media from BBC to Al-Jazeera, the same photoshopped image of a huge explosion in the center of Gaza is used as backround image. In reality Gaza shows no signs of destruction, as the live cams show. Notes Simulated reality Jul 7 - Russia state media sells the poorly staged theater as "news", same as the rest of illuminati media: "CCTV footage showing faces of slain Palestinian teen’s suspected killers revealed (VIDEO)" [link to rt.com] Reality Lugansk, Novorossya July 2014 = Homs, Aleppo 2011-2014 Jul 14 alone - Lugansk is in fire: burning houses and cars, the city smoke, dead on the streets (photo / video 18 +) [link to rusvesna.su] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]   |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 46917240 Portugal07/15/2014 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK · 30 seg #BREAKIN MORE RUSSIAN TROOPS ENTERING #MAKIIVKA / #DONETSK NOW,INCL. SA-13 + HEAVY ARTILLERY … it is plain has day the Russians are invading piece meal so no one get excited but when you have scores of Armor coming every night pretty soon you have a whole lot of fucking armor and weapons in the country. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27797357 Poland07/15/2014 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 There is NO NATO in Ukraine, you cant point any out, there is no evidence other than Russian propaganda claims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57003584 Ukraine has been abandoned by everyone who promised to defend it after it disarmed itself. There is NO NATO in Ukraine, there is no support of any kind. Ukraine is alone and being invaded by Russia, AGAIN. There is no "again" element. Last time the Ukraine (a region, not a state) had any beef with the Russians, it had a powerful ally... Adolf Hitler, namely. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57003584 United States07/15/2014 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 marqs ‏@MarQs__ · 11 min.  Quoting: KneelB4Zod! 34 tanks and 34 SPAGs marched from #Luhansk to #Donetsk, eyewitness says, crews do not hide they are #Russian|s [link to www.kyivpost.com] … “I saw two columns of armor passing through my native Perevalsk. The asphalt road was destroyed. They all refuel at petrol stations, saying they are Russians. The armor with no identification marks penetrated Ukraine through the fields,” the eyewitness says. [link to zik.ua] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57003584 United States07/15/2014 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ConflictReporter ‏@MiddleEast_BRK · 1m Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box #BREAKINGNEWS THE RUSSIAN ARMY OCCUPIES THE CENTER OF #DONETSK CITY TONIGHT. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] … |
| PIR
User ID: 54058774 United States07/15/2014 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ConflictReporter @MiddleEast_BRK · 30 seg #BREAKIN MORE RUSSIAN TROOPS ENTERING #MAKIIVKA / #DONETSK NOW,INCL. SA-13 + HEAVY ARTILLERY … it is plain has day the Russians are invading piece meal so no one get excited but when you have scores of Armor coming every night pretty soon you have a whole lot of fucking armor and weapons in the country. Just like the US/Mexico border... 1 dozen jihadist one night... 1 dozen jihadist the next... In just a few weeks you have dozens of ISIS attack teams all over the US ready to strike |
| blubberbutt
User ID: 49246002 United States07/15/2014 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 It appears that what we are witnessing is a US foreign policy disaster in real time. Quoting: PIR The US gambled 3+ billion dollars to back a coup in the nation of Ukraine promising the Junta that the US and NATO would back them in all their efforts. Victoria Nuland was caught on tape selecting the next hand picked US backed government of Ukraine. The first order of business was the theft of all the gold from the central bank of Ukraine. Next the US backed the election of Willy Wonka who had been on the CIA payroll from 2006 to today. The IMF then pledged billions of dollars to Ukraine but would only provide the funds if Ukraine took complete control of East Ukraine driving the separatist out or by the death of the separatist. We now see that the ATO has failed and the 4000 Ukrainian troops trapped in the east are all about to be defeated by the separatist. Now that it appears they are being defeated NATO and the US are silent...no aid...no help. The only way that NATO will commit to military aid/action in Ukraine is if Russia openly attacked Ukraine and all efforts to bait Russia into this trap have failed. So we are about to witness one of the greatest foreign policy failures in the history of the United States. The outcome for the people of West Ukraine will be tragic...the outcome for those in the east areas of the NAF will be one of victory. This will go down as a lesson to all nations on Earth as to what happens when the US attempts to interfere and influence any nation for political or financial gain. IMHO It appears that what we are witnessing is a US foreign policy disaster in real time. Quoting: PIR The US gambled 3+ billion dollars to back a coup in the nation of Ukraine promising the Junta that the US and NATO would back them in all their efforts. Victoria Nuland was caught on tape selecting the next hand picked US backed government of Ukraine. The first order of business was the theft of all the gold from the central bank of Ukraine. Next the US backed the election of Willy Wonka who had been on the CIA payroll from 2006 to today. The IMF then pledged billions of dollars to Ukraine but would only provide the funds if Ukraine took complete control of East Ukraine driving the separatist out or by the death of the separatist. We now see that the ATO has failed and the 4000 Ukrainian troops trapped in the east are all about to be defeated by the separatist. Now that it appears they are being defeated NATO and the US are silent...no aid...no help. The only way that NATO will commit to military aid/action in Ukraine is if Russia openly attacked Ukraine and all efforts to bait Russia into this trap have failed. So we are about to witness one of the greatest foreign policy failures in the history of the United States. The outcome for the people of West Ukraine will be tragic...the outcome for those in the east areas of the NAF will be one of victory. This will go down as a lesson to all nations on Earth as to what happens when the US attempts to interfere and influence any nation for political or financial gain. IMHO |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57003584 United States07/15/2014 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ConflictReporter ‏@MiddleEast_BRK · 1m Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box #BREAKINGNEWS THE RUSSIAN ARMY OCCUPIES THE CENTER OF #DONETSK CITY TONIGHT. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] … Holy shit. This for real? The militia has used russian flags since day one so stop pretending to be ignorant of that well know fact. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 55004405  Luxembourg07/15/2014 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 No, they want to create their own NWO, where they dominate others. You think they are better then US/EU masters? Think again... For 5000 years of written history we have wars, emerging of empires, their repression towards small counties and at last their demise, just to be replaced by next cycle of empire creation process. Don't look what IS NOW, or what will happen this year. Ask yourself what will be in 5 years, 50 years or 500 years. If someone says that there would be no more wars (or world wars) that's statistically almost impossible (considering 5000 years of data). If someone says that USA will prevail that's statistically almost impossible. Look around you right now, in thousand years everything you see now will be no more. As each nation rises, so is rising their aspiration of domination toward its neighbours. You can run isolation doctrine for a decade, for a century, but not for eternity. You can praise one man and his policies, and he may be greatest and enlightened and bring prosperity and justice to all of the world. But the time will come when he be no more. Who will replace him and what will happen? Time will come when our planet will be united and under rule of global centralized government. Maybe time will come where our planet is governed by some power far away in our galaxy. NWO is coming, maybe in 5, 50 or 500 years. Its the basic principle of evolution. take care... tbh I trust them more than the US occult entourage of cabalist zionist illuminazi Baphomet worshipers. Nothing can be worse than that That is the Evil you are talking about. No matter East or West, Evil will prevail. Most people don't notice funny little fact - Evil has a great advantage over Good - it can pretend to be Good. That's why it can be good for a moment, and then out of sudden all hell break loose. And I'm talking about eternal inner battle in every human being, not gods and angels... In the end a lot of people will die for nothing... I can't agree with you completely, I think it is a law of nature to create balance in all things, also in good/evil. My gut tells me who the good guys are in this situation and am willing to give them a chance. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60264974 United States07/15/2014 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ConflictReporter ‏@MiddleEast_BRK · 1m Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box #BREAKINGNEWS THE RUSSIAN ARMY OCCUPIES THE CENTER OF #DONETSK CITY TONIGHT. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] … Holy shit. This for real? The militia has used russian flags since day one so stop pretending to be ignorant of that well know fact. As any regular follower of this thread knows, I'm far from ignorant regarding the events in Ukraine. So take your AC ass and  |
| blubberbutt
User ID: 49246002 United States07/15/2014 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I have been on a blog and read a lot of comments and from what I can gather, the Ukrainians have been really hit hard by artillery and rockets. They are in a real pickle it sounds like and I'm pretty sure they are on the verge of an epic defeat. This is right by the Russian border, and I think Russia is infiltrating large numbers of their best soldiers to act as forward observers and I think it was a fools errand for porky to send his entire army there. I have a feeling the Ukies are going to be squealing soon. They have been abandoned by Europe, that is why they are calling Merkel Frau Ribbentrop. They know a deal has been done, now their gold is gone, they are in debt to the IMF, they are going to lose Donestsk and lugansk and they are pissed. Putin has played all of this beautifully. Now he has his BRICs bank and can flip us the bird as far sanctions, he can borrow money from BRICs. Lol, well done Putin. |
| PIR
User ID: 54058774 United States07/15/2014 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I have been on a blog and read a lot of comments and from what I can gather, the Ukrainians have been really hit hard by artillery and rockets. They are in a real pickle it sounds like and I'm pretty sure they are on the verge of an epic defeat. This is right by the Russian border, and I think Russia is infiltrating large numbers of their best soldiers to act as forward observers and I think it was a fools errand for porky to send his entire army there. I have a feeling the Ukies are going to be squealing soon. They have been abandoned by Europe, that is why they are calling Merkel Frau Ribbentrop. They know a deal has been done, now their gold is gone, they are in debt to the IMF, they are going to lose Donestsk and lugansk and they are pissed. Putin has played all of this beautifully. Now he has his BRICs bank and can flip us the bird as far sanctions, he can borrow money from BRICs. Lol, well done Putin. Quoting: blubberbutt Right back at 'cha!~ |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27797357 Poland07/15/2014 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I have been on a blog and read a lot of comments and from what I can gather, the Ukrainians have been really hit hard by artillery and rockets. They are in a real pickle it sounds like and I'm pretty sure they are on the verge of an epic defeat. This is right by the Russian border, and I think Russia is infiltrating large numbers of their best soldiers to act as forward observers and I think it was a fools errand for porky to send his entire army there. I have a feeling the Ukies are going to be squealing soon. They have been abandoned by Europe, that is why they are calling Merkel Frau Ribbentrop. Quoting: blubberbutt Mr. Putin and Russia will take a moral highground on it. Just wondering whether the banderistan shall lose the sea access. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 58297157 United States07/15/2014 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 ConflictReporter ‏@MiddleEast_BRK · 1m Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box #BREAKINGNEWS THE RUSSIAN ARMY OCCUPIES THE CENTER OF #DONETSK CITY TONIGHT. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] … Holy shit. This for real? The militia has used russian flags since day one so stop pretending to be ignorant of that well know fact. Vladimir The Great, Tzar of All The Russias. |
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| PIR
User ID: 54058774 United States07/15/2014 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I have been on a blog and read a lot of comments and from what I can gather, the Ukrainians have been really hit hard by artillery and rockets. They are in a real pickle it sounds like and I'm pretty sure they are on the verge of an epic defeat. This is right by the Russian border, and I think Russia is infiltrating large numbers of their best soldiers to act as forward observers and I think it was a fools errand for porky to send his entire army there. I have a feeling the Ukies are going to be squealing soon. They have been abandoned by Europe, that is why they are calling Merkel Frau Ribbentrop. Quoting: blubberbutt Mr. Putin and Russia will take a moral highground on it. Just wondering whether the banderistan shall lose the sea access. I think they will lose it all and become a subjugated people group and live an existence suffering as an example to all decent people of what happens when a nation and its people embraces Nazi fascism. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57454057  Ukraine07/15/2014 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 There is NO NATO in Ukraine, you cant point any out, there is no evidence other than Russian propaganda claims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27700769 Ukraine has been abandoned by everyone who promised to defend it after it disarmed itself. There is NO NATO in Ukraine, there is no support of any kind. Ukraine is alone and being invaded by Russia, AGAIN. This is correct. Ukraine is by itself fighting against this war of aggression against us which purpose is to steal territory from Ukraine. This war is not about people's lives, neither Russian nor Ukrainian, but simply is an act of the Kremlin stealing Ukraine land for itself using a massive web of false propaganda to create false pretext for war and using hybrid warfare. The Russian government shills like we see in this thread are a prime part of that. If the western governments do not help anymore than they are now, then shame on them. |
| PIR
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| Tpotleoz
User ID: 60224209  Australia07/15/2014 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 It appears that what we are witnessing is a US foreign policy disaster in real time. Quoting: PIR The US gambled 3+ billion dollars to back a coup in the nation of Ukraine promising the Junta that the US and NATO would back them in all their efforts. Victoria Nuland was caught on tape selecting the next hand picked US backed government of Ukraine. The first order of business was the theft of all the gold from the central bank of Ukraine. Next the US backed the election of Willy Wonka who had been on the CIA payroll from 2006 to today. The IMF then pledged billions of dollars to Ukraine but would only provide the funds if Ukraine took complete control of East Ukraine driving the separatist out or by the death of the separatist. We now see that the ATO has failed and the 4000 Ukrainian troops trapped in the east are all about to be defeated by the separatist. Now that it appears they are being defeated NATO and the US are silent...no aid...no help. The only way that NATO will commit to military aid/action in Ukraine is if Russia openly attacked Ukraine and all efforts to bait Russia into this trap have failed. So we are about to witness one of the greatest foreign policy failures in the history of the United States. The outcome for the people of West Ukraine will be tragic...the outcome for those in the east areas of the NAF will be one of victory. This will go down as a lesson to all nations on Earth as to what happens when the US attempts to interfere and influence any nation for political or financial gain. IMHO A massive failure. And the first domino of many. Obama's inability to assist was evident months ago. The loss of faith in US hegemony will have massive repercussions. US dollar won't last without military dominance either. Eat the Reds |
