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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13456938 United States 03/29/2014 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I was disappointed to see the negative turn this thread has taken in the last day or so. I have found up till that time this site very informative and very few issues. What I found interesting is whoever wanted this thread to go to shit quickly divided those on it. I think the reason behind this is that the board was keeping people well informed about the events. The posters here had been much more informative than the news media. Which has been to busy focusing on flight 370. I believe that we were correct in our assessments and possibly doing to good of a job covering it that it made someone nervous. Think about it... some here where putting together the public intelligence from multiple sources and the overall assessment was in large agreement of some of the best military analyst's. I think when the attack didn't happen in the time frame as expected it raised doubt as to if we were on the right track. Keep in mind situations can change, dates can be moved but that doesn't mean we weren't on the right track. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56224025 United States 03/29/2014 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 If there was any chance of there being a diplomatic breakthrough, the media would be all over it, painting Obama as stopping world war three and besting Evil Vlad. The fact that you aren't hearing anything should speak volumes. Quoting: BioReaper Exactly. See what happened with Syria. The media was very quick to drop the Ukraine issue in favor of the missing plane. This whole situation does not paint Obama and the west in a very good light. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1870933 Ukraine 03/29/2014 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 just as a sidenote calling Vladimir, Vlad just indicates how little you know of Russian culture. Vladislav is Vlad Vladimir is Vova to a Russian speaker it's like calling Richard, Bill. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56224025 United States 03/29/2014 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I was disappointed to see the negative turn this thread has taken in the last day or so. I have found up till that time this site very informative and very few issues. What I found interesting is whoever wanted this thread to go to shit quickly divided those on it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13456938 I think the reason behind this is that the board was keeping people well informed about the events. The posters here had been much more informative than the news media. Which has been to busy focusing on flight 370. I believe that we were correct in our assessments and possibly doing to good of a job covering it that it made someone nervous. Think about it... some here where putting together the public intelligence from multiple sources and the overall assessment was in large agreement of some of the best military analyst's. I think when the attack didn't happen in the time frame as expected it raised doubt as to if we were on the right track. Keep in mind situations can change, dates can be moved but that doesn't mean we weren't on the right track. If you read back to Janey's post, the attack should have happened but at the last moment, Washington called Vlad in a last ditch attempt to hold it off. |
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Polemarchos
User ID: 50576485 Romania 03/29/2014 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I get a kick out of the people saying oh well google earth isnt showing any troops. Maybe because the images haven't been updated since January? LOL Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56224025 And that is the newest ones. Some Google Earth images go back longer than that, especially outside the US / UK. GLP needs its own satellite! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56046488 United Kingdom 03/29/2014 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The actual answer is: there is no clear answer. Those that believe West's MSM think so, those who believe Russia's MSM think not, those who don't believe either without more evidence don't know. One thing for the Russian position is that various NATO and Ukrainian observers have been allowed overflights in the last few days (fact). To this I have heard as a response (without any facts) that maybe Russia pulled back all their forces (without anyone apparently noticing) during the overflights and returned them (without anyone apparently noticing) after the flights completed. Overall my opinion based on the available evidence is that this huge Russian force build-up is not true - there are probably some extra forces there, but more in line with Russia's stated mission of being prepared quickly to intervene if anyone attacks Russians in Ukraine. [ ED: one caveat on the West's MSM: both the Telegrahp (UK) and a New York Times reporter apparently cannot detect a Russian force build-up on Ukraine's border: [link to www.telegraph.co.uk] - Ukraine crisis: the border hunt for Vladimir Putin’s hidden army [link to twitter.com (secure)] - Both @ARothNYT and @JimMaceda struggling to find massed Russian armies. Either not there in numbers reported, or they're very, very stealth. ] I guess we'll know when the time comes... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56148360 United Kingdom 03/29/2014 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I was disappointed to see the negative turn this thread has taken in the last day or so. I have found up till that time this site very informative and very few issues. What I found interesting is whoever wanted this thread to go to shit quickly divided those on it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13456938 I think the reason behind this is that the board was keeping people well informed about the events. The posters here had been much more informative than the news media. Which has been to busy focusing on flight 370. I believe that we were correct in our assessments and possibly doing to good of a job covering it that it made someone nervous. Think about it... some here where putting together the public intelligence from multiple sources and the overall assessment was in large agreement of some of the best military analyst's. I think when the attack didn't happen in the time frame as expected it raised doubt as to if we were on the right track. Keep in mind situations can change, dates can be moved but that doesn't mean we weren't on the right track. If you read back to Janey's post, the attack should have happened but at the last moment, Washington called Vlad in a last ditch attempt to hold it off. If I am not mistaken, the Russian side initiated the call. Russia usually always indicates when they receive a call and they did not on this occasion, and I believe the American press release said Putin made the call. This may be the last chance to compromise. I think all the west has to do is allow local referendums in some regions of Ukraine and write up a new Ukranian constitution which disallows NATO etcetera |
Lime Flavoured Redux
User ID: 3541176 United Kingdom 03/29/2014 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 DEFCON 3 ROUND HOUSE Increase in force readiness above that required for normal readiness Air Force ready to mobilize in 15 minutes IIRC it's been suggested that the Korean forces are normally at DEFCON 3 (and went to 2 for a while in 2010 after the island shelling), but everyone else is at 4 most of the time. |
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User ID: 22608763 United States 03/29/2014 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Jerry Popowicz ‏@JerryPopowicz 29m Wow! So this is how Russian Army unloads at Klimovo Bryansk Oblast, near the Ukrainian border [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] … pic.twitter.com/hSFHCWB7KI |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56206255 United States 03/29/2014 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The actual answer is: there is no clear answer. Those that believe West's MSM think so, those who believe Russia's MSM think not, those who don't believe either without more evidence don't know. One thing for the Russian position is that various NATO and Ukrainian observers have been allowed overflights in the last few days (fact). To this I have heard as a response (without any facts) that maybe Russia pulled back all their forces (without anyone apparently noticing) during the overflights and returned them (without anyone apparently noticing) after the flights completed. Overall my opinion based on the available evidence is that this huge Russian force build-up is not true - there are probably some extra forces there, but more in line with Russia's stated mission of being prepared quickly to intervene if anyone attacks Russians in Ukraine. [ ED: one caveat on the West's MSM: both the Telegrahp (UK) and a New York Times reporter apparently cannot detect a Russian force build-up on Ukraine's border: [link to www.telegraph.co.uk] - Ukraine crisis: the border hunt for Vladimir Putin’s hidden army [link to twitter.com (secure)] - Both @ARothNYT and @JimMaceda struggling to find massed Russian armies. Either not there in numbers reported, or they're very, very stealth. ] Agree with you but the overflights under the international agreement by Observers along Belarus and Ukraine borders happened from March 4 - March 21. At least March 21 was the last one they quoted when the news came out that they found no Russian troop build up that would suggest any hostilities. That's from International Observers of US, France, Germany in presence of a representatives from Belarus and Ukraine Military, I think a Russian was there too, to oversee all goes according to standards. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56046488 United Kingdom 03/29/2014 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 My guess is that there are certainly some Russian forces on the border, but probably less than the western MSM is claiming. I don't buy that there are none.. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux A Russian official did state the troops near the Ukranian border are within the numbers set out in internationally agreed limits. I thought that was reference the numbers in Crimea, which I believe is 25k, set by treaty. even that is set to change really as they are looking at revoking the black sea treaties I wouldn't actually be surprised if there are higher numbers of Troops in Crimea and I would think there are low numbers on borders but high numbers within reach and its the lower numbers that would make me worry more as its likely to be elite units and I dare say Spetsnaz are in there already the small number would be the initial assault then the higher numbers would be the cleaning crew |
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Abrasive Fuck User ID: 53839221 United States 03/29/2014 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 I was disappointed to see the negative turn this thread has taken in the last day or so. I have found up till that time this site very informative and very few issues. What I found interesting is whoever wanted this thread to go to shit quickly divided those on it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13456938 I think the reason behind this is that the board was keeping people well informed about the events. The posters here had been much more informative than the news media. Which has been to busy focusing on flight 370. I believe that we were correct in our assessments and possibly doing to good of a job covering it that it made someone nervous. Think about it... some here where putting together the public intelligence from multiple sources and the overall assessment was in large agreement of some of the best military analyst's. I think when the attack didn't happen in the time frame as expected it raised doubt as to if we were on the right track. Keep in mind situations can change, dates can be moved but that doesn't mean we weren't on the right track. If you read back to Janey's post, the attack should have happened but at the last moment, Washington called Vlad in a last ditch attempt to hold it off. If I am not mistaken, the Russian side initiated the call. Russia usually always indicates when they receive a call and they did not on this occasion, and I believe the American press release said Putin made the call. This may be the last chance to compromise. I think all the west has to do is allow local referendums in some regions of Ukraine and write up a new Ukranian constitution which disallows NATO etcetera I think this is one of Russia's primary concerns. They simply will not accept Ukraine joining NATO or the EU. Unfortunately for those of us who were kind of hoping not to have WWIII... The US simply will not accept not having a missile shield in Ukraine via entrance into NATO or the EU. Like I said earlier, though it seems things have quieted down... We have never been so close to global doom as we are right now. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. Or something |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56206255 United States 03/29/2014 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 My guess is that there are certainly some Russian forces on the border, but probably less than the western MSM is claiming. I don't buy that there are none.. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux Isn't it logical that any country has some troops at their borders, as well as maybe adding some and put them on alert when that neighboring country is going through some turmoil? I think that's pretty much all there is to it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45874141 United States 03/29/2014 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 The thing is, barry is too naive and too full of himself. I truly believe he still thinks he can make demands of Putin. Barry, via Horsehead is going reiterate his demands that Russia pulls back from border while giving no guarantees of Ukrainian sovereignty or assurances of ethnic Russian's safety or assurances that ukraine will not be admitted to nato. This breather will make it appear that Russia gave one last chance at diplomacy. |
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User ID: 54271852 United States 03/29/2014 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Quoting: One Of God 5 is Peace Time. "Valor is a gift. Those having it never know for sure whether they have it till the test comes. And those having it in one test never know for sure if they will have it when the next test comes." - Napoleon Bonaparte "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his!" - Gen. George S. Patton "It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived." - Gen. George S. Patton "To the living we owe respect, to the dead, we owe the truth." - Voltaire "I admit that twice two makes four is an excellent thing, but if we are to give everything its due, twice two makes five is sometimes a very charming thing too." - Dostoyevsky |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56206255 United States 03/29/2014 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 My guess is that there are certainly some Russian forces on the border, but probably less than the western MSM is claiming. I don't buy that there are none.. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux Yep, it's very hard to tell what's real, it's a bit like in Kosovo when Nato thought they had destroyed most of Serbia's 500 or so tanks during the bombings, but after the war it emerged that they had only destroyed about 10 , Serbia had been extensively employing "Maskerova" tactics, a skill they honed from the Russians, to keep their tanks hidden, what Nato were actually bombing were mock ups made from wood and bin liners Interestingly it's a tactic the British used successfully in WW2 to confuse the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain, to make false airfields and bases that the Germans then bombed. That's the first time I heard that story about mock ups - cool thanks for that. |
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Apex Predator User ID: 55298648 United States 03/29/2014 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 DEFCON 3 ROUND HOUSE Increase in force readiness above that required for normal readiness Air Force ready to mobilize in 15 minutes IIRC it's been suggested that the Korean forces are normally at DEFCON 3 (and went to 2 for a while in 2010 after the island shelling), but everyone else is at 4 most of the time. I imagine that is the case within the continental united states For the ACs..there is NOTHING that you can do to me on this platform..you can throw all the insults you want won’t do a thing because IDGAF If you give me red don’t be a pussy and put your name on it. Have the balls to stand by what you say |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56046488 United Kingdom 03/29/2014 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 My guess is that there are certainly some Russian forces on the border, but probably less than the western MSM is claiming. I don't buy that there are none.. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux Yep, it's very hard to tell what's real, it's a bit like in Kosovo when Nato thought they had destroyed most of Serbia's 500 or so tanks during the bombings, but after the war it emerged that they had only destroyed about 10 , Serbia had been extensively employing "Maskerova" tactics, a skill they honed from the Russians, to keep their tanks hidden, what Nato were actually bombing were mock ups made from wood and bin liners Interestingly it's a tactic the British used successfully in WW2 to confuse the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain, to make false airfields and bases that the Germans then bombed. did you know there was an Island up in Scotland I think near the forth row bridge actually that was contorted to look like a battleship and the Germans kept bombing that to hell too |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45624647 Bulgaria 03/29/2014 06:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 i smell something fishy here putin isn't moving hundreds of thousands of soldiers, artillery, planes, helicopters, tanks and big rockets just to scare the smaller ukrainian army he's waiting for the right time watch for donetsk |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50663088 Poland 03/29/2014 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 My guess is that there are certainly some Russian forces on the border, but probably less than the western MSM is claiming. I don't buy that there are none.. Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux Yep, it's very hard to tell what's real, it's a bit like in Kosovo when Nato thought they had destroyed most of Serbia's 500 or so tanks during the bombings, but after the war it emerged that they had only destroyed about 10 , Serbia had been extensively employing "Maskerova" tactics, a skill they honed from the Russians, to keep their tanks hidden, what Nato were actually bombing were mock ups made from wood and bin liners Interestingly it's a tactic the British used successfully in WW2 to confuse the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain, to make false airfields and bases that the Germans then bombed. did you know there was an Island up in Scotland I think near the forth row bridge actually that was contorted to look like a battleship and the Germans kept bombing that to hell too The problem with the British is when everyone else was building rockets and ufo in Ww2...... They were attaching fireworks to cable reels to spin on water??? |