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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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Here is the Jew spy ostrovsky "embedding" himself with the pedophile who came in third in the Ukrainian presidential elections. I can't stand either one of these douche bags, and the Ukrainian is known for his touch talk and abuse of handcuffed prisoners, etc. he is a thug, bully, and pedohpile. And his new butt buddy is an operative.

I can't stomach watching this, but here you go, it's dated July 16. If you want to waste your life on propaganda put out by retards, rock on.

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Got it...rumor busted.

Maybe it was just wishful thinking from some of the the NAF troops.

chuckle
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Does anyone have a clear picture of the distribution of Ukrainian troops in the east?
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This is all I could find

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#Ukraine Armed Forces HQ recommends Ukraine's army 72th brigade surrender to #Russia to reamin alive [link to m.facebook.com (secure)] … | EMPR News

siren2siren2siren2 they just surrendered
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they are trapped. Azov batallion also at Saur-mogila. What a humiliation for the UA nationalists. They have to run in to Russia to save their lives. chuckle
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Does anyone have a clear picture of the distribution of Ukrainian troops in the east?
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This is all I could find

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rofl5
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Does anyone have a clear picture of the distribution of Ukrainian troops in the east?
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thats pretty acurate. Good chanell for english users if you dont mind propaganda.

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#Ukraine Armed Forces HQ recommends Ukraine's army 72th brigade surrender to #Russia to reamin alive [link to m.facebook.com (secure)] … | EMPR News

siren2siren2siren2 they just surrendered
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Well it is shaping up to be a disaster of epic proportions. I am thing there is now a 20% chance of Ukrainian military staging a coup and making peace with rebels. And back stabbing right sector and the neo nazi mouth breathers.
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This is the only hope Ukraine has at this point.

Arrest the Junta and Right Sector, throw out the IMF and US advisors...ask Russia for help...hold new elections...and join the BRICS
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Does anyone have a clear picture of the distribution of Ukrainian troops in the east?
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This is all I could find

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You guys know what?

The only reason I follow the "war" threads is because I feel partly responsible due to my inability to restrain the beast claiming to be my Nation of the United States.

I am very disappointed with my "fellow Americans".
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ROFLMAO !
#Ukraine Armed Forces HQ recommends 72th brigade surrender to #Russia to stay alive ! EPIC !

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Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Does anyone have a clear picture of the distribution of Ukrainian troops in the east?
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thats pretty acurate. Good chanell for english users if you dont mind propaganda.


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Wow, that's great. Thanks! Subscribing to that channel for future updates.
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Does anyone have a clear picture of the distribution of Ukrainian troops in the east?
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This is all I could find

deaddeaddeaddead3dead3deaddead3dead3dead3dead3deaddeaddeaddeaddead3
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You guys know what?

The only reason I follow the "war" threads is because I feel partly responsible due to my inability to restrain the beast claiming to be my Nation of the United States.

I am very disappointed with my "fellow Americans".
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Guess it's a good thing I'm not American then.
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All US efforts in support of our NATO allies & partners in Europe fall under umbrella of OPERATION ATLANTIC RESOLVE [link to www.atlanticcouncil.org] …
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two fakes:

1) If you come across this video:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

its fake. No such helicopters are in Ukraine. go large frame and high-resolution. Look at the top of the blue paint on the tail in the last seconds of the video. You can see computer error as the paints morphs off the tail.


2) Internet claims that US body armor sent to Ukraine is bad, dones not work. This is false disinformation likel push by Russian agents. The Ukrainian government tested and verified the effectiveness of the armor against specific ammunition and has issued a statement debunking the BS.
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Wtf r u blabbering about? This video is obvious fake. No one talks about it. Are u on drugs? Or are u even human? Aren't you some kind of discussion bot?
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Luis/mods - the fact that you allow Russians like this arrogant, disruptive, constantly insulting Russian shill to remain, while banning almost all non-Russian/non-pro-Russians is obvious to everyone.

Don't think you are getting away with fooling people, because you aren't.
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This thread slid downhill right around the Zod clown's arrival. I rarely even check this thread anymore because it's mainly just him and his buddies on here dogging everyone with an opinion contrary to theirs.
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Well, some of us left around page 1200, when the female celebrity arrived,(very good indicator on the future of any thread she jumps into) and are now posting sporadically only, and rarely any analysis beyond the obvious.

Take care
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#Ukraine Armed Forces HQ recommends Ukraine's army 72th brigade surrender to #Russia to reamin alive [link to m.facebook.com (secure)] … | EMPR News

siren2siren2siren2 they just surrendered
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they are trapped. Azov batallion also at Saur-mogila. What a humiliation for the UA nationalists. They have to run in to Russia to save their lives. chuckle
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Bullshit ! All this news is simply a psychologic weapon.
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Prayers to all the families of those whose loved ones have been and will be killed in this tragedy.

May God give rest to the souls of all who have died because of the greed of foreign nations and the banks that drive them
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#Ukraine Armed Forces HQ recommends Ukraine's army 72th brigade surrender to #Russia to reamin alive [link to m.facebook.com (secure)] … | EMPR News

siren2siren2siren2 they just surrendered
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they are trapped. Azov batallion also at Saur-mogila. What a humiliation for the UA nationalists. They have to run in to Russia to save their lives. chuckle
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Bullshit ! All this news is simply a psychologic weapon.
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Nah, I think this looks more like physical weapon...

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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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The #Klitschko battalion "Kiev1" departed to #Donbass

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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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I hope it ends soon. UA army is done in Donbass and Ukrainians should just let it go. Donetsk and Lughansk Oblasts are history. Its not that you lack land UA is pretty big country still, or do you.


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we will destroy parussia soon.

Defeated in battle is not losing the war
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Ukraine Liveblog Day 149: Russian Tanks and Artillery Reach Donetsk

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#Ukraine 72th Brigade w/ HEAVY losses:
The first battalion ANNIHILATED.
2nd battalion almost in same situation.
From 3rd, only alive half !
“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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The #Klitschko battalion "Kiev1" departed to #Donbass

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hmmfuckoff2
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Fresh meat for the grinder.

Hope they hugged their mothers and kissed their girlfriends goodbye.

If they make it home in one piece...still alive it will be a miracle.

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Ukraine Liveblog Day 149: Russian Tanks and Artillery Reach Donetsk

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#Ukraine 72th Brigade w/ HEAVY losses:
The first battalion ANNIHILATED.
2nd battalion almost in same situation.
From 3rd, only alive half !
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How large is a battalion in the Ukrainian army?
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#Ukraine Armed Forces HQ recommends Ukraine's army 72th brigade surrender to #Russia to reamin alive [link to m.facebook.com (secure)] … | EMPR News

siren2siren2siren2 they just surrendered
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they are trapped. Azov batallion also at Saur-mogila. What a humiliation for the UA nationalists. They have to run in to Russia to save their lives. chuckle
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I know! I truly hope we see video of these Azov fucktards humiliated as prisoners and/or their dead ass bodies. I am very empathetic to the regular Ukrainian military men who are getting killed, but I regard Azov and thee other right sector punitive battalions as modern day einsatzgruppen forces. They are/were being used to terrorize and they need to die a bloody horrible death.
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Ukrainian Interior Ministry Confirms Assassination Attempt on Minister Avakov [link to www.interpretermag.com] …...
“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Babay @Truth_Seeker_11 · 6 h
The #Klitschko battalion "Kiev1" departed to #Donbass

[link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)]

hmmfuckoff2
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Fresh meat for the grinder.

Hope they hugged their mothers and kissed their girlfriends goodbye.

If they make it home in one piece...still alive it will be a miracle.
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Yep. It is so very clear now that Russia never had any intention of invading in force. Rather, they would let their military reservists volunteer for service with the Donbass militias. And the Russians opened the door to their aging stockpiles of quite serviceable gear, but perhaps not the best gear. So they release t64 tanks instead of t80 tanks and grad launchers instead of the newest MLRS. I am very impressed with how they are bleeding the Ukrainian military. Russia has vastly larger resources and deep pockets. But the Ukrainians are going to run out of equipment at some point. And they are penniless remember? So how they gonna buy more stuff? Russia is wearing down the military via attrition and getting the military to the point where they stage a coup out of self survival. Remember, they used to be butt buddies with the Russian military, they go way back.
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"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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#Ukraine Armed Forces HQ recommends Ukraine's army 72th brigade surrender to #Russia to reamin alive [link to m.facebook.com (secure)] … | EMPR News

siren2siren2siren2 they just surrendered
 Quoting: Zombie Daddy in a Box


Well it is shaping up to be a disaster of epic proportions. I am thing there is now a 20% chance of Ukrainian military staging a coup and making peace with rebels. And back stabbing right sector and the neo nazi mouth breathers.
 Quoting: blubberbutt


This is the only hope Ukraine has at this point.

Arrest the Junta and Right Sector, throw out the IMF and US advisors...ask Russia for help...hold new elections...and join the BRICS
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#Ukraine Armed Forces HQ recommends Ukraine's army 72th brigade surrender to #Russia to reamin alive [link to m.facebook.com (secure)] … | EMPR News

siren2siren2siren2 they just surrendered
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Well it is shaping up to be a disaster of epic proportions. I am thing there is now a 20% chance of Ukrainian military staging a coup and making peace with rebels. And back stabbing right sector and the neo nazi mouth breathers.
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This is the only hope Ukraine has at this point.

Arrest the Junta and Right Sector, throw out the IMF and US advisors...ask Russia for help...hold new elections...and join the BRICS
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Is there any sort of proof other than facebook and twitter posts that the Ukr army is indeed in a position where it has to surrender? This could just be propaganda or grossly exaggerated claims for all we know.
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AJSB ‏@A_J_S_B 6 min.
#Ukraine 72th Brigade w/ HEAVY losses:
The first battalion ANNIHILATED.
2nd battalion almost in same situation.
From 3rd, only alive half !
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


How large is a battalion in the Ukrainian army?
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what is the UN saying……bad boys play nice?



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