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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 52617843  Canada07/18/2014 12:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 From the daily beast,,,, Russian militants continue to percolate through the Ukrainian border, hoping their Kremlin-stoked fantasies will come true. But as each day passes, that begins to look less likely. If, as Moscow insists, Russia really is pulling its troops away from the frontier, it may be because even Russian President Vladimir Putin came to realize his shock troops creating a bloody mess in Ukraine were starting to look like nothing more or less than the bloody fools they are. Quoting: Chippey [link to www.thedailybeast.com] First reported by Babays group that they had brought down an Antonov. Same time same place. They are a mad bunch of people . Ukraine diverted the aircraft through the warzone for this purpose exactly. The only people who wanted these people dead so badly are the Banderite Ukrainians! Except you missed the part where aircraft had been flying through this area the whole time. This aircraft was no exception, except that low-IQ Russian terrorists attacked this one. Show me proof. The flights I've seen track the Sea of Azov regularly. Not Donbass. Oh gee yeah sure. Let me rip out my recordings of Flightradar... The were no avoidance restrictions for this area except for all flights must be above FL 320. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15627656  Germany07/18/2014 12:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 This twitter will soon liquidated. [link to twitter.com (secure)] |
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 User ID: 58936522  Serbia07/18/2014 12:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing MH#17 Quoting: PIR Translated from Spanish by Luis Lopez Source: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca 10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos “Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian” 10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros “warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers” 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba “Warning! Kiev have what they wanted” 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev “[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev” 10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado “The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed” 10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente “Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident” 10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT “Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT” 10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev, “An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport” 10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro “they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment” 10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev “Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev” 11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora “We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now” 11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información “What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information” 11:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo “When possible I´ll keep writing” 11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares, The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar, 11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza “If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter” 12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían? “Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?” 12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí “7:00 minutes after [plane dissapeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ” 12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también “all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also” 13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos “Here the military commanders manage and support it could be military following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian” 13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, . “Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.” 13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden “Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from” 13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko “Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]” 13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos “The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes” 13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo “Airspace closed” 13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos “Airspace is closed, more downings feared” 15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil “military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile” 15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado “Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down” 15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes “The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas” 15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no “Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t” 15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine “military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine” 15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior “For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister” 15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, . “The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .” 16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine, “Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,” 16:07 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no, “military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,” 16:08 – 17 de jul. de 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero “290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money” 16:09 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos “Thw way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]” 16:10 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas “The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts” 16:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión “Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version” 16:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas “Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts” [link to slavyangrad.wordpress.com] Who is this Carlos guy? Is he legit? He has an extensive twitter history but always seemed anti-Ukrainian. This quote from the post you reference should tell you everything you need to know about who is directing blame. "10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba “Warning! Kiev have what they wanted” The world falling down around him and he has time to make a political statement. Sickening. He wanted the world to know, while he had the chance to do it, who is responsible for killing hundreds of people. Thats courageous and honorable. Babay |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 3886841 Canada07/18/2014 12:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing MH#17 Quoting: PIR Translated from Spanish by Luis Lopez Source: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca 10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos “Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian” 10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros “warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers” 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba “Warning! Kiev have what they wanted” 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev “[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev” 10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado “The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed” 10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente “Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident” 10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT “Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT” 10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev, “An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport” 10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro “they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment” 10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev “Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev” 11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora “We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now” 11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información “What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information” 11:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo “When possible I´ll keep writing” 11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares, The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar, 11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza “If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter” 12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían? “Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?” 12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí “7:00 minutes after [plane dissapeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ” 12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también “all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also” 13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos “Here the military commanders manage and support it could be military following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian” 13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, . “Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.” 13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden “Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from” 13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko “Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]” 13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos “The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes” 13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo “Airspace closed” 13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos “Airspace is closed, more downings feared” 15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil “military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile” 15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado “Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down” 15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes “The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas” 15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no “Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t” 15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine “military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine” 15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior “For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister” 15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, . “The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .” 16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine, “Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,” 16:07 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no, “military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,” 16:08 – 17 de jul. de 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero “290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money” 16:09 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos “Thw way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]” 16:10 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas “The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts” 16:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión “Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version” 16:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas “Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts” [link to slavyangrad.wordpress.com] Who is this Carlos guy? Is he legit? He has an extensive twitter history but always seemed anti-Ukrainian. This quote from the post you reference should tell you everything you need to know about who is directing blame. "10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba “Warning! Kiev have what they wanted” The world falling down around him and he has time to make a political statement. Sickening. He wanted the world to know, while he had the chance to do it, who is responsible for killing hundreds of people. Thats courageous and honorable. He should get out of the country and tell his story to any respected and honest journalists he can find. |
| Chippey
User ID: 54622593  Ukraine07/18/2014 12:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing MH#17 Quoting: PIR Translated from Spanish by Luis Lopez Source: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca 10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos “Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian” 10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros “warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers” 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba “Warning! Kiev have what they wanted” 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev “[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev” 10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado “The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed” 10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente “Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident” 10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT “Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT” 10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev, “An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport” 10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro “they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment” 10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev “Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev” 11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora “We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now” 11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información “What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information” 11:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo “When possible I´ll keep writing” 11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares, The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar, 11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza “If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter” 12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían? “Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?” 12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí “7:00 minutes after [plane dissapeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ” 12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también “all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also” 13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos “Here the military commanders manage and support it could be military following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian” 13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, . “Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.” 13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden “Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from” 13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko “Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]” 13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos “The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes” 13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo “Airspace closed” 13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos “Airspace is closed, more downings feared” 15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil “military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile” 15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado “Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down” 15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes “The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas” 15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no “Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t” 15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine “military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine” 15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior “For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister” 15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, . “The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .” 16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine, “Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,” 16:07 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no, “military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,” 16:08 – 17 de jul. de 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero “290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money” 16:09 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos “Thw way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]” 16:10 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas “The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts” 16:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión “Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version” 16:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas “Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts” [link to slavyangrad.wordpress.com] Who is this Carlos guy? Is he legit? He has an extensive twitter history but always seemed anti-Ukrainian. This quote from the post you reference should tell you everything you need to know about who is directing blame. "10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba “Warning! Kiev have what they wanted” The world falling down around him and he has time to make a political statement. Sickening. He wanted the world to know, while he had the chance to do it, who is responsible for killing hundreds of people. Thats courageous and honorable. Babay has the most to fear as it has been claimed a group of Cossacks brought the plane down. |
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| Chippey
User ID: 54622593 Ukraine07/18/2014 01:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Ben Judah @ b_judah Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52826130 Russia's rebel army may have killed more civilians shooting down Malaysian Airlines (298) than every rocket or bomb fired at Israel, Gaza. Every finger points at them. The more denials the more it shows. And they have put up all the evidence themselves. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1059816  Russia07/18/2014 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 FYI, Russian TU154 downed by Ukrainian missile back in 2001: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19804561 Ukraine admits it shot down Russian airliner Quoting: telegraph.co.ukBy Ben Aris in Moscow 12:01AM BST 13 Oct 2001 Ukraine finally admitted yesterday that its military shot down a Russian airliner that crashed into the Black Sea last week, killing all 78 passengers and crew. Evhen Marchuk, the chairman of Ukraine's security council, conceded that the plane had probably been brought down by "an accidental hit from an S-200 rocket fired during exercises". Russian investigators believe a missile exploded near the plane, spraying it with shrapnel. Russian and Israeli scientists found metal pellets in the victims and in the fuselage. Vladimir Rushailo, the chairman of Russia's security council, said: "The investigation has found that the disaster resulted from a strike by a warhead from an anti-aircraft missile." Although both Russia and Ukraine were almost certainly aware of the cause from the start, it took eight days for Ukraine to accept responsibility. [link to www.telegraph.co.uk] Yes, it was step-by-step confession. October 4, 2001. The Ukrainian authorities deny the fact of exercises, and then claim that firing practice was carried out by missiles without warheads. In the late afternoon the Ukrainian military already went deep into details: according to them, the maximum range of flight of missiles is only 5000m and it is impossible to get them to the plane. However, according to the American mass media, the Pentagon recorded start of two missiles of "earth-to-air" class during exercises by which the plane could be brought down. October 6. President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma: "Neither Ukraine, nor Ukrainians, nor me personally are not pleased with what occurs round this tragedy. The azimuth of firing didn't match the location of Tu-154". October 6. Leonid Kuchma: "Technically it is impossible, though all is possible in theory... Design and production of the missile – Soviet". October 10. Leonid Kuchma: "Don't do a tragedy of this. Such things happen not only in Ukraine. Look around: in the world, in Europe – not we the first and not we the last, mistakes happen everywhere". October 13. Leonid Kuchma: "From the very beginning we tried to act most transparent". November 1. Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Evgeny Marchuk: "Anyway it is only preliminary results which are subject to studying and modeling". November 4, 2001. The Ukrainian authorities at last recognized that the Russian Tu-154 could be brought down by the Ukrainian rocket during exercises. |
| Chippey
User ID: 54622593 Ukraine07/18/2014 01:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 And is this a true picture ? [link to www.thedailybeast.com] |
| Babay
User ID: 58936522 Serbia07/18/2014 01:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Babay ‏@Truth_Seeker_11 · 1 min. Zobrazit překlad Quoting: KneelB4Zod! #Torez, another day another shot down plane [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] … Perhaps Babay can explain this item. And please explain this!!! A video of a smoke coming from the downed plane. Yes, and? Babay |
| Chippey
User ID: 54622593 Ukraine07/18/2014 01:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 More on our Cossacks. [link to www.phantomreport.com] |
| Chippey
User ID: 54622593 Ukraine07/18/2014 02:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Pro Russians had the weapon that could shoot the plane down. In a Facebook post, Mr. Gerashchenko alleged that the separatists had obtained a Buk ground-to-air missile system that locals had seen being paraded near the towns of Snizhne and Torez during the day on Thursday. He said a convoy with the anti-aircraft missile was seen heading toward Shakhtarsk, a town not far from the crash site, about an hour before the plane went down late Thursday afternoon. In late June, separatist leaders told the Russian news outlets RIA Novosti and Interfax that they had taken control of a Ukrainian air-defense base near the village of Oleksiivka equipped with Buk missiles. The Donetsk People's Republic also posted a photo of the missiles, sometimes known as Gadfly systems, on its official Twitter feed at the time, declaring a victory in having seized the weaponry. The Russian maker of the Buk system, Almaz-Antey, is among the firms the U.S. subjected to new sanctions this week. This from a news item. |
| Cats88
User ID: 59892734  United States07/18/2014 02:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Pro Russians had the weapon that could shoot the plane down. Quoting: Chippey In a Facebook post, Mr. Gerashchenko alleged that the separatists had obtained a Buk ground-to-air missile system that locals had seen being paraded near the towns of Snizhne and Torez during the day on Thursday. He said a convoy with the anti-aircraft missile was seen heading toward Shakhtarsk, a town not far from the crash site, about an hour before the plane went down late Thursday afternoon. In late June, separatist leaders told the Russian news outlets RIA Novosti and Interfax that they had taken control of a Ukrainian air-defense base near the village of Oleksiivka equipped with Buk missiles. The Donetsk People's Republic also posted a photo of the missiles, sometimes known as Gadfly systems, on its official Twitter feed at the time, declaring a victory in having seized the weaponry. The Russian maker of the Buk system, Almaz-Antey, is among the firms the U.S. subjected to new sanctions this week. This from a news item. Putin's being framed. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 60284629  Belgium07/18/2014 02:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Where are the MH-17 black boxes? Who was first to the crash scene? Of the following three, who arrived 1st, 2nd and 3rd at the crash site? Ukraine military, pro-Moscow militia or Russian soldiers? When was the crash site scene secured, if it all? Was anything removed from the crash site, if so what was removed and why? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59850434 United States07/18/2014 02:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Where are the MH-17 black boxes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60284629 Who was first to the crash scene? Of the following three, who arrived 1st, 2nd and 3rd at the crash site? Ukraine military, pro-Moscow militia or Russian soldiers? When was the crash site scene secured, if it all? Was anything removed from the crash site, if so what was removed and why? The Russians and Girkins men where first to the crash scene. The last time the Russians arrived at a plane crash, this is how the Russians dealt with it (crash scene): "The plane’s black boxes, laptops, sensitive documents, mobile phones, address books, telephone numbers, correspondence, and the top-secret military, NATO and diplomatic codes on board were salvaged from crash site immediately by the Kremlin’s operatives in what was a “coup for Russia’s intelligence service” according to retired CIA analyst Gene Poteat. What Nowaczyk calls “years worth of work for security services” was completed in a single day by Russia’s OMON Special Purpose Police, which were immediately deployed to the site." The above plane crash scene was Polish Air Force Flight 101. Based on this account, I fully expect the Russians conducted the very same operation with the MH-17 crash site. Criminal behaviour and a massive cover-up. Appalling and Sickening conduct by the Russians and their proxy militia. [link to www.thedailybeast.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59850434 United States07/18/2014 02:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Pro Russians had the weapon that could shoot the plane down. Quoting: Chippey In a Facebook post, Mr. Gerashchenko alleged that the separatists had obtained a Buk ground-to-air missile system that locals had seen being paraded near the towns of Snizhne and Torez during the day on Thursday. He said a convoy with the anti-aircraft missile was seen heading toward Shakhtarsk, a town not far from the crash site, about an hour before the plane went down late Thursday afternoon. In late June, separatist leaders told the Russian news outlets RIA Novosti and Interfax that they had taken control of a Ukrainian air-defense base near the village of Oleksiivka equipped with Buk missiles. The Donetsk People's Republic also posted a photo of the missiles, sometimes known as Gadfly systems, on its official Twitter feed at the time, declaring a victory in having seized the weaponry. The Russian maker of the Buk system, Almaz-Antey, is among the firms the U.S. subjected to new sanctions this week. This from a news item. Putin's being framed. based on what evidence? |
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User ID: 59892734 United States07/18/2014 02:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Where are the MH-17 black boxes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60284629 Who was first to the crash scene? Of the following three, who arrived 1st, 2nd and 3rd at the crash site? Ukraine military, pro-Moscow militia or Russian soldiers? When was the crash site scene secured, if it all? Was anything removed from the crash site, if so what was removed and why? The Russians and Girkins men where first to the crash scene. The last time the Russians arrived at a plane crash, this is how the Russians dealt with it (crash scene): "The plane’s black boxes, laptops, sensitive documents, mobile phones, address books, telephone numbers, correspondence, and the top-secret military, NATO and diplomatic codes on board were salvaged from crash site immediately by the Kremlin’s operatives in what was a “coup for Russia’s intelligence service” according to retired CIA analyst Gene Poteat. What Nowaczyk calls “years worth of work for security services” was completed in a single day by Russia’s OMON Special Purpose Police, which were immediately deployed to the site." The above plane crash scene was Polish Air Force Flight 101. Based on this account, I fully expect the Russians conducted the very same operation with the MH-17 crash site. Criminal behaviour and a massive cover-up. Appalling and Sickening conduct by the Russians and their proxy militia. [link to www.thedailybeast.com] sounds to me like the guys were just doing their job, while the clean-up crew was on the way. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59850434 United States07/18/2014 03:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 From the daily beast,,,, Russian militants continue to percolate through the Ukrainian border, hoping their Kremlin-stoked fantasies will come true. But as each day passes, that begins to look less likely. If, as Moscow insists, Russia really is pulling its troops away from the frontier, it may be because even Russian President Vladimir Putin came to realize his shock troops creating a bloody mess in Ukraine were starting to look like nothing more or less than the bloody fools they are. Quoting: Chippey [link to www.thedailybeast.com] First reported by Babays group that they had brought down an Antonov. Same time same place. They are a mad bunch of people . Yep. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57088754 United States07/18/2014 03:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Where are the MH-17 black boxes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60284629 Who was first to the crash scene? Of the following three, who arrived 1st, 2nd and 3rd at the crash site? Ukraine military, pro-Moscow militia or Russian soldiers? When was the crash site scene secured, if it all? Was anything removed from the crash site, if so what was removed and why? The Russians and Girkins men where first to the crash scene. The last time the Russians arrived at a plane crash, this is how the Russians dealt with it (crash scene): "The plane’s black boxes, laptops, sensitive documents, mobile phones, address books, telephone numbers, correspondence, and the top-secret military, NATO and diplomatic codes on board were salvaged from crash site immediately by the Kremlin’s operatives in what was a “coup for Russia’s intelligence service” according to retired CIA analyst Gene Poteat. What Nowaczyk calls “years worth of work for security services” was completed in a single day by Russia’s OMON Special Purpose Police, which were immediately deployed to the site." The above plane crash scene was Polish Air Force Flight 101. Based on this account, I fully expect the Russians conducted the very same operation with the MH-17 crash site. Criminal behaviour and a massive cover-up. Appalling and Sickening conduct by the Russians and their proxy militia. [link to www.thedailybeast.com] Hey mindfuks u still believe in authenticity of that fabricated shit. Do u know who changed plane's trajectory? It was dispatcher from Dnepropetrovsk, by direct orders of Dnepropetrovsk governor. Think about it. |
| RTS REDUX
User ID: 57849075 United States07/18/2014 03:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 RT claims in this video that the separatists found the black box at 10 pm Ukrainian time, and plan to hand it over to international investigators [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| KneelB4Zod!
User ID: 18164985  Denmark07/18/2014 03:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Isn't it absurde? Day before 777 was An-26 downed at altitude over 6km and whole Kieavistas bunch (Kiev officials included) screamed "It was Russkies, rebels are not able to take it down". Yesterday 777 hit the ground and whole Kievistas bunch (KIev officials included) now sceram "It was rebels, they are able to take it down!". Comical... “You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane "This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961 __________________________________________________________________________ "I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..." Quoting Dostoyevsky: "Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)] __________________________________________________________________________ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59850434 United States07/18/2014 03:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing MH#17 Quoting: PIR Translated from Spanish by Luis Lopez Source: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca 10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos “Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian” 10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros “warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers” 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba “Warning! Kiev have what they wanted” 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev “[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev” 10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado “The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed” 10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente “Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident” 10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT “Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT” 10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev, “An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport” 10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro “they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment” 10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev “Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev” 11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora “We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now” 11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información “What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information” 11:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo “When possible I´ll keep writing” 11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares, The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar, 11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza “If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter” 12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían? “Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?” 12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí “7:00 minutes after [plane dissapeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ” 12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también “all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also” 13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos “Here the military commanders manage and support it could be military following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian” 13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, . “Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.” 13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden “Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from” 13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko “Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]” 13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos “The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes” 13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo “Airspace closed” 13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos “Airspace is closed, more downings feared” 15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil “military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile” 15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado “Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down” 15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes “The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas” 15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no “Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t” 15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine “military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine” 15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior “For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister” 15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, . “The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .” 16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine, “Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,” 16:07 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no, “military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,” 16:08 – 17 de jul. de 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero “290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money” 16:09 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos “Thw way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]” 16:10 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas “The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts” 16:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión “Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version” 16:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas “Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts” [link to slavyangrad.wordpress.com] Who is this Carlos guy? Is he legit? He has an extensive twitter history but always seemed anti-Ukrainian. This quote from the post you reference should tell you everything you need to know about who is directing blame. "10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba “Warning! Kiev have what they wanted” The world falling down around him and he has time to make a political statement. Sickening. He wanted the world to know, while he had the chance to do it, who is responsible for killing hundreds of people. Thats courageous and honorable. So a political statement is what he chose to announceto the world. Trillions of possible word combinations in his vocabulary, yet he chose to make a political statement. "How is it that, beyond any shadow of doubt, he knew for certain, Kyiv got what it wanted." and yet again another drive-by shit post. |
| Cats88
User ID: 59892734 United States07/18/2014 03:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing MH#17 Quoting: PIR Translated from Spanish by Luis Lopez Source: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca 10:21 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos “Kiev Authorities, trying to make looks like an attack by pro-Russian” 10:24 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros “warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers” 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba “Warning! Kiev have what they wanted” 10:25 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev “[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev” 10:27 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado “The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed” 10:30 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente “Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident” 10:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT “Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT” 10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev, “An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport” 10:35 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro “they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment” 10:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev “Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev” 11:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora “We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now” 11:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información “What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information” 11:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo “When possible I´ll keep writing” 11:48 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares, The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar, 11:54 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza “If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn’t downed by a fighter” 12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían? “Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?” 12:00 – 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí “7:00 minutes after [plane dissapeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here ” 12:01 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también “all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also” 13:15 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos “Here the military commanders manage and support it could be military following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian” 13:29 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, . “Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn’t.” 13:31 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden “Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from” 13:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko “Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]” 13:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos “The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes” 13:43 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo “Airspace closed” 13:45 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos “Airspace is closed, more downings feared” 15:17 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil “military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile” 15:23 – 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno,,,, , derribado “Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev,,,, [plane] shot down” 15:26 – 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes “The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas” 15:34 – 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no “Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn’t” 15:36 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, ,,alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine “military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine” 15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior “For those who do not know, Let’s say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister” 15:38 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, . “The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time .” 16:06 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine, “Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,” 16:07 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no, “military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,” 16:08 – 17 de jul. de 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero “290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money” 16:09 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos “Thw way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]” 16:10 – 17 de jul. de 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas “The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts” 16:12 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión “Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version” 16:13 – 17 de jul. de 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas “Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts” [link to slavyangrad.wordpress.com] well, there you have it. it was the fricking Spaniards!!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57088754 United States07/18/2014 03:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Hey truth seekers here is the full debunking of fabricated shit of ukrnazis [link to gmorder.livejournal.com] Original files were removed of fabrication as you already know it. Also Attorney General of Ukraine Yarema has admitted that rebels do not possess advanced buk and c-300 and rebels did not capture it. |
| Cats88
User ID: 59892734 United States07/18/2014 03:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Hey truth seekers here is the full debunking of fabricated shit of ukrnazis [link to gmorder.livejournal.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57088754 Original files were removed of fabrication as you already know it. Also Attorney General of Ukraine Yarema has admitted that rebels do not possess advanced buk and c-300 and rebels did not capture it. Putin is being framed. The NWO has far more movtive for doing this than does Putin. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 59850434 United States07/18/2014 03:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387 Isn't it absurde? Day before 777 was An-26 downed at altitude over 6km and whole Kieavistas bunch (Kiev officials included) screamed "It was Russkies, rebels are not able to take it down". Yesterday 777 hit the ground and whole Kievistas bunch (KIev officials included) now sceram "It was rebels, they are able to take it down!". Comical... Quoting: KneelB4Zod! I'm saying the level of sophistication in operating BUK, exceeds the knowledge and experience of pro-Moscow militia. Russian soldiers were used in the downing of both aircraft an-26 and MH-17. |
