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UKRAINE/RUSSIA NEWS: Russian military drills begin near Ukraine day after militants announce 100k strong mobalisation!!!p.7387

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People keep making the mistake of presuming Putin is just another head of state.

Picture him as your local gang leader and you'll be far more accurate in predicting his next move: Drunk on power, inclined to steal rather than negotiate, gets off on starting fights, and by definition hurtling toward lunacy.
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sorry we don't have local gang leaders over here, I'm not from Detroit chuckle
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Trust me, you do ;)
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Over there they don't call them gang leaders. They call them antifascists.
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Ukrainian border guard officer says they're focused on stopping Russian provocateurs from entering -- but also finding those already here
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They are self-defence forces coming back from holiday.
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I love how one Putinese talking point here is, "Absolutely no Russians have been responsible for what's happening, and those who have are completely justified because they're Russian!"
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I too am a nationalist and believe in the right of self determination of all peoples including Ukraine. How would you describe the right sector and their methods if not fascist?
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ultra-nationalist. If they wanted to change the constitution, have corporate elites run industry and government and end democratic processes, then they would be fascists.
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According to the "official founder" Mussolini, fascism is "the merger of the State and the Corporation".

You don't need a dictator, black shirts, and all that folklore.

Do you remember the Business Plot ?
Nowadays, see : Goldman-Sachs, Monsanto, Halliburton, Exxon, ITT, Chevron, etc.
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Insults - excellent form of debate :)
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Agreed, not the best form of debate. Fascism is inaccurate to describe nationalists. Maybe if they wanted to scrap the constitution and do away with elections it would be accurate, I don't think anyone has suggested that. So if you use the word fascist to describe them you are just repeating the Kremlin lies and denying legitimate Ukrainian rights to self determination. Putin and co. don't believe Ukraine is even a country. Truth is Russia is just an offshoot of Ukrainian-Byszantine culture which is far older. The Russians were raped by the kosher NKVD and have not recovered. They still think of Soviet times as the glory days. At least Ukrainians can admit the horrors of the 20th century.
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How would you describe forced resignations and silencing opposing views? Kiev is a fledgeling government, time will tell how they proceed to run the country.
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Unless they permanently postpone elections you can't call them fascist. Considering part of their country was just annexed as retaliation for kicking out a Kremlin stooge, you could say they are restrained.
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You don't know what real fascists are. Real fascist is anybody that self proclaimed antifascitst declare fascist
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But the funniest remains, "Absolutely NO one stormed the opera house, and ALL those who did were Ukrainian!"
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I too am a nationalist and believe in the right of self determination of all peoples including Ukraine. How would you describe the right sector and their methods if not fascist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56446610


ultra-nationalist. If they wanted to change the constitution, have corporate elites run industry and government and end democratic processes, then they would be fascists.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


According to the "official founder" Mussolini, fascism is "the merger of the State and the Corporation".

You don't need a dictator, black shirts, and all that folklore.

Do you remember the Business Plot ?
Nowadays, see : Goldman-Sachs, Monsanto, Halliburton, Exxon, ITT, Chevron, etc.
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The quote is from Giovanni Gentile
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Insults - excellent form of debate :)
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Agreed, not the best form of debate. Fascism is inaccurate to describe nationalists. Maybe if they wanted to scrap the constitution and do away with elections it would be accurate, I don't think anyone has suggested that. So if you use the word fascist to describe them you are just repeating the Kremlin lies and denying legitimate Ukrainian rights to self determination. Putin and co. don't believe Ukraine is even a country. Truth is Russia is just an offshoot of Ukrainian-Byszantine culture which is far older. The Russians were raped by the kosher NKVD and have not recovered. They still think of Soviet times as the glory days. At least Ukrainians can admit the horrors of the 20th century.
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How would you describe forced resignations and silencing opposing views? Kiev is a fledgeling government, time will tell how they proceed to run the country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56446610


You know that Ukraine Latvia and Lithuania banned russian TV stations from broadcasting in their countries? Now what kind of democracy is that? More like a reminder of soviet times...but this time the other way around.
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Its ok, they can stream it on the net if they are that addicted to RT. Unlike Russians who have a filtered internet.
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Dudes looting flat screen from Donetsk govt. bldg. or appearing to.

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Can we get some news here instead of "no, you're the fascist" debate? Please? hf
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Can we get some news here instead of "no, you're the fascist" debate? Please? hf
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Wait a minute. We didn't even start "you are the Nazi" debate
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Can we get some news here instead of "no, you're the fascist" debate? Please? hf
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As long as it wasn't published by the Kremlin or Zionists.
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N A T O:
Nag And Throw Onions

They Will Do Nothing To Stop Russia. Options? What Option? Shooy Or Don't Shoot. They Won't Shoot.
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Russia’s multi-million support for Ukraine can’t continue endlessly
Russia April 09, 17:40 UTC+4
NOVO-OGAREVO, April 09. /ITAR-TASS/. Russia continues to support the Ukrainian economy by providing multi-million US dollar subsidies, but this cannot go on forever, President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting with ministers on Wednesday, Aril 9.

“The situation is undoubtedly strange, to put it mildly. As we know, our partners in Europe have recognised the legitimacy of the incumbent Kiev authorities but they are not doing anything to support Ukraine, not a single dollar or euro (has been given),” Putin said. “Russia does not recognise the legitimacy of the authorities in Kiev but continues to provide economic support and subsidise the Ukrainian economy.”

The president stressed that “this situation cannot continue endlessly, of course, but I stress once again that we need to act very carefully in order not to destroy what little is left”.
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NATO PREPARES "NEW AND ADDITIONAL" OPTIONS TO RESPOND TO RUSSIAN MILITARY MOVES NEAR UKRAINE, U.S DEF. SEC. HAGEL TELLS CNN


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Are they preparing to get real tough by moving towards "stern looks of disapproval"??
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GROUP OF SEVEN FINANCE MINISTERS TO MEET ON GLOBAL ECONOMY, UKRAINE ON THURSDAY IN WASHINGTON - RTRS
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Putin thinks no one will do anything. He's just round the bend enough to have lost perspective on where the lines are actually drawn, and it's not actually clear whether he even cares anymore. No one thinks a "world leader" is an actual madman until the day you wake up and see tanks on your lawn.
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ogrrr
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Interfax:

LAVROV: IT IS SENSELESS TO CALL FOUR-PARTY MEETING TO DEMAND CONCESSIONS IN THE FORM OF CHEAP GAS FOR UKRAINE FROM MOSCOW

LAVROV: RUSSIA HAS NOT RECEIVED U.S. ANSWERS RELATED TO REPORTS ABOUT KYIV'S PLANS OF SELLING VOYEVODA MISSILE TECHNOLOGIES OR PRESENCE OF GREYSTONE AGENCY STAFF MEMBERS IN UKRAINE

RUSSIA READY TO JOIN FOUR-PARTY TALKS ON UKRAINE IF THEY AIM TO CALL ON KYIV AUTHORITIES TO CARE ABOUT UKRAINE - LAVROV

LAVROV: RUSSIA LOOKS FORWARD TO U.S. EXPLANATIONS ABOUT PURPOSES OF CONVENING FOUR-SIDED MEETING ON UKRAINE
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New satellite imagery shows extent of Russian military buildup at Ukrainian border: [link to www.interpretermag.com] …
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Putin thinks no one will do anything. He\'s just round the bend enough to have lost perspective on where the lines are actually drawn, and it\'s not actually clear whether he even cares anymore. No one thinks a \"world leader\" is an actual madman until the day you wake up and see tanks on your lawn.
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I did not know Ukraine is in USA.
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U.S intel spots signs of an all-out Russian invasion of Ukraine [link to www.thedailybeast.com] …
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Putin thinks no one will do anything. He\'s just round the bend enough to have lost perspective on where the lines are actually drawn, and it\'s not actually clear whether he even cares anymore. No one thinks a \"world leader\" is an actual madman until the day you wake up and see tanks on your lawn.
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I did not know Ukraine is in USA.
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Them are flying tanks. lmao
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Putin thinks no one will do anything. He\'s just round the bend enough to have lost perspective on where the lines are actually drawn, and it\'s not actually clear whether he even cares anymore. No one thinks a \"world leader\" is an actual madman until the day you wake up and see tanks on your lawn.
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I did not know Ukraine is in USA.
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Ukraine ain't but some sort of People's Democratic Republic will be soon
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NATO PREPARES "NEW AND ADDITIONAL" OPTIONS TO RESPOND TO RUSSIAN MILITARY MOVES NEAR UKRAINE, U.S DEF. SEC. HAGEL TELLS CNN


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Are they preparing to get real tough by moving towards "stern looks of disapproval"??
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OK, OK, we take it all back... Ukraine, that is. And maybe some other former states.
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Gazprom's Markelov says Ukraine needs additional 11.5bcm of gas before winter, will cost $4b-$5b - BBG

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BREAKING: UKR Security Service uncovered the illegal RUS agents' network in #Ukraine that were preparing subversions [link to www.radiosvoboda.org] …
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Insults - excellent form of debate :)
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Agreed, not the best form of debate. Fascism is inaccurate to describe nationalists. Maybe if they wanted to scrap the constitution and do away with elections it would be accurate, I don't think anyone has suggested that. So if you use the word fascist to describe them you are just repeating the Kremlin lies and denying legitimate Ukrainian rights to self determination. Putin and co. don't believe Ukraine is even a country. Truth is Russia is just an offshoot of Ukrainian-Byszantine culture which is far older. The Russians were raped by the kosher NKVD and have not recovered. They still think of Soviet times as the glory days. At least Ukrainians can admit the horrors of the 20th century.
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I too am a nationalist and believe in the right of self determination of all peoples including Ukraine. How would you describe the right sector and their methods if not fascist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56446610


ultra-nationalist. If they wanted to change the constitution, have corporate elites run industry and government and end democratic processes, then they would be fascists.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


I would call them NWO subservient s, deluded sheep

Ist's bah, Politics is BS and ALL the labels, we are either a free humanity ( which we are not) or slaves, Fu** Politics, F*** Nationalism..FU** Religion, we are DIVIDED and killing each other...for WHAT?? for them...what will it take??
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Euromaidan PR&#8207;@EuromaidanPR·4 mins
BREAKING: UKR Security Service uncovered the illegal RUS agents' network in #Ukraine that were preparing subversions [link to www.radiosvoboda.org] …
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The Group has established a home base and redeployment, the degree of alertness, strength, types and quantities of arms and military equipment units and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Special attention was paid well equipped due to the worsening situation in the south-eastern borders of the state and defense lines disguised heavy military equipment. To obtain such information involved in the illegal cooperation citizens traveled to the vehicle in the area of the Kherson region, with granichaschihe Crimea, where he personally observed the changes in dislocation Ukrainian military units and movement of military equipment. The collected data are transmitted to the agents of the Russian spy in compliance with the conspiracy.
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Agreed, not the best form of debate. Fascism is inaccurate to describe nationalists. Maybe if they wanted to scrap the constitution and do away with elections it would be accurate, I don't think anyone has suggested that. So if you use the word fascist to describe them you are just repeating the Kremlin lies and denying legitimate Ukrainian rights to self determination. Putin and co. don't believe Ukraine is even a country. Truth is Russia is just an offshoot of Ukrainian-Byszantine culture which is far older. The Russians were raped by the kosher NKVD and have not recovered. They still think of Soviet times as the glory days. At least Ukrainians can admit the horrors of the 20th century.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


I too am a nationalist and believe in the right of self determination of all peoples including Ukraine. How would you describe the right sector and their methods if not fascist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56446610


ultra-nationalist. If they wanted to change the constitution, have corporate elites run industry and government and end democratic processes, then they would be fascists.
 Quoting: Tpotleoz


I would call them NWO subservient s, deluded sheep

Ist's bah, Politics is BS and ALL the labels, we are either a free humanity ( which we are not) or slaves, Fu** Politics, F*** Nationalism..FU** Religion, we are DIVIDED and killing each other...for WHAT?? for them...what will it take??
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Yep, we should all be united in the empire on which sun never sets.
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THE COUNCIL OF SEVEN TO MEET ON GLOBAL ECONOMY, UKRAINE ON THURSDAY IN WASHINGTON
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